[00:35] <gry> hi! why does xubuntu have a kvirc 4.1.1 in repos if latest stable is 4.0.4?
[00:36] <GridCube> dunno, its just there
[00:37] <GridCube> gry, i think that kvirc is qt based?
[00:37] <GridCube> like a kde thing?
[00:37] <gry> yes
[00:37] <GridCube> then its probably some kubuntu decission
[00:37] <GridCube> we share the same repos
[00:41] <gry> will ask them; thank you
[00:43] <aguitel> GridCube, what the correct way to install libreoffice in xubuntu?
[00:43] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[00:43] <GridCube> that did it for me
[00:43] <aguitel> only this?
[00:44] <aguitel> ok
[00:44] <GridCube> you can search it on USC, or Synaptic if you want
[00:44] <aguitel> ok
[00:44] <GridCube> aguitel, you can update before like
[00:44] <GridCube> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[00:44] <aguitel> yes i know
[00:44] <aguitel> i did the update
[00:45] <GridCube> :)
[00:46] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/kvirc That looks a bit messed up.
[01:57] <riddlebox> hello, I read that xfce does window tiling but I cannot find out how to do it or set it so that it does it?
[01:59] <Boogerhead> Hello! I'm trying to get the custom action in the file manager working, to rotate a JPG 90 degrees. I've tried; it doesn't work. Any idea where to start diagnosing what went wrong?
[06:45] <szerzetes> hi!
[06:46] <szerzetes> I have an Acer Aspire 5110 notbook, I installed an Xubuntu 12.04, my touchpad is works fine, but i want to use tap zone
[06:46] <szerzetes> where or how can is set it?
[06:48] <baizon> szerzetes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1875057
[07:27] <whitman> I've just replaced my graphics card (both nvidia) and now after I enter my login details X seems to try to start but then I get bumped back to the login screen. Suggestions?
[07:28] <baizon> whitman: check messages
[07:29] <baizon> whitman: are you using the proprietary drivers
[07:29] <baizon> ?
[07:29] <whitman> I am
[07:29] <baizon> then try to uninstall them
[07:29] <baizon> and install again
[07:31] <whitman> Ok, I'll try it once apt has finished.
[07:41] <szerzetes> baizon, big thanx! :)
[07:42] <baizon> np
[07:47] <whitman> I can't see any errors in Xorg.log or dmesg.
[07:52] <baizon> whitman: so
[07:53] <baizon> have you uninstalld the drivers?
[07:55] <whitman> Hmm, I've just rebooted (a few times) without changing anything and it's fine now.
[07:58] <baizon> whitman: so did you made apt-get upgrade?
[07:58] <baizon> that could fix the problem too :P
[07:58] <whitman> It could, but I only saw libreoffice updates :)
[07:59] <whitman> Either way, it's working so I'm happy.
[08:08] <metals> Hi
[08:08] <metals> where can I change the system sound settings?
[08:35] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: morning
[08:35] <gordonjcp> is gmusicbrowser normally slow to start up?
[08:36] <Myrtti> gordonjcp: moin
[08:36] <gordonjcp> oh, I give up
[08:36] <gordonjcp> an hour later and it still hasn't actually given me the option to play any musci
[08:36] <gordonjcp> *music
[08:49] <xubuntu763> Hi Xubunters! :-)
[08:49] <aquix> hello :)
[08:50] <xubuntu763> What are your impressions on the new Xubuntu 12.04
[08:50] <xubuntu763> ?
[08:51] <aquix> I like it a lot. Runs pretty stable and no real bugs I have detected.
[08:53] <gordonjcp> crap, so far
[08:53]  * baizon xubuntu 12.04 + xfce 4.10
[08:53] <gordonjcp> "papercutty"
[08:53] <baizon> loving it :)
[08:53] <gordonjcp> slow, crashy, tiny fonts, no working media player
[08:54] <baizon> gordonjcp: so your doing something wrong
[08:54] <gordonjcp> baizon: it's a stock install
[08:54] <aquix> gordonjcp there are a million media players in the repos
[08:54] <gordonjcp> aquix: yes, but the one shipped in xubuntu doesn't work
[08:55] <aquix> system fonts can be changed, I recommend droid sans, looks good.
[08:55] <gordonjcp> *I* know there are dozens of media players, less experienced users may not
[08:55] <aquix> slow and crashy I don't see.
[08:55] <baizon> gordonjcp: im using smplayer for videos and clementine for music
[08:55] <gordonjcp> it's using droid sans by default, the fonts are tiny and hard to read
[08:55] <gordonjcp> firefox is hellish
[08:55] <aquix> installing and removing programs is the first thing one learns, new users are not the problem
[08:56] <aquix> firefox can be tricky on all machines no matter what OS
[08:56] <gordonjcp> aquix: right, but my point is more that out of the box it can't really play audio files
[08:56] <baizon> indeed
[08:56] <gordonjcp> it's been chuntering away for a couple of hours now scanning my mp3s and oggs
[08:57] <gordonjcp> maybe 1000 albums or so
[08:57] <aquix> I have a long apt-get install I run on new installs, never use stock install really.
[08:57] <aquix> wht music player gordonjcp ?
[08:57] <gordonjcp> gmusicbrowser, which is what comes packaged with xubuntu
[08:58] <aquix> yeah, I don't like that.
[08:58] <aquix> I use clementine. It's buggy and Qt but I still like it :)
[08:58] <gordonjcp> also there's a strange bug that I trigger often but can't replicate where when I click on a window, it sees this is as a grab move
[08:58] <arpad2> hi
[08:58] <gordonjcp> so I end up dragging the window around
[08:59] <aquix> rhythmbox is also alright I guess
[08:59] <arpad2> I have bought a card reader, but I can't see that xubuntu reconises it
[09:00] <baizon> arpad2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonAccessCard
[09:00] <gordonjcp> rhythmbox is crap
[09:01] <baizon> indeed
[09:01] <baizon> i love clementine :)
[09:01] <aquix> +1
[09:01] <gordonjcp> I thought that when it was going to be included in 12.04, Canonical would get some people to fix it up a bit
[09:01] <gordonjcp> but no
[09:01] <gordonjcp> they've packaged up its reanimated corpse and stuck it in the default install
[09:02] <gordonjcp> here's a cracking bug in rhythmbox
[09:02] <gordonjcp> you'll laugh when you hear this, it's hilarious
[09:02] <aquix> software included discussions is a minefield.
[09:02] <baizon> gordonjcp: xubuntu is a community version not canonical
[09:02] <gordonjcp> if it decides it can't play a file, like maybe it doesn't have a codec or something
[09:02] <gordonjcp> guess what it does
[09:02] <gordonjcp> deletes the file
[09:02] <baizon> and canonical is making unity not all software that comes with ubuntu
[09:02] <aquix> gordonjcp really?
[09:02] <gordonjcp> baizon: yes, but they have maintainers for their packages
[09:02] <gordonjcp> aquix: yup
[09:02] <aquix> sounds bad
[09:03] <gordonjcp> so spark up rhythmbox on a stock Ubuntu install without mp3 codecs, watch it blow away your library
[09:03] <aquix> lol, you'd think they fix that bug first
[09:04] <aquix> or, they probably have had some rants in their irc channel, I would guess
[09:09] <aquix> gordonjcp  your firefox, does it behave differently depending on the session?  (between reboots)
[09:20] <gordonjcp> aquix: what, between unity and xfce?
[09:20] <gordonjcp> haven't tried
[09:21] <aquix> no
[09:22] <aquix> I have a laptop that I noticed on some boots firefox made the fan go crazy, and some it was silents as a sleeping kitten.   but that went away
[09:22] <aquix> unity? no tanks
[09:22] <gordonjcp> oh, okay
[09:22] <gordonjcp> weird
[09:22] <gordonjcp> I quite like unity
[09:23] <aquix> good for you :)
[09:23] <gordonjcp> it's just not very good on small screens
[09:23] <aquix> it doesn't scale well?
[09:24] <aquix> about firefox, lovinglinux at ubuntuforums is a firefox expert and have some very usefull tutorials here: http://webgapps.org/groups/firefox/docs/
[09:42] <xubuntu561> hi
[09:43] <xubuntu561> alguien que hable español que me pueda ayudar, por favor?
[09:43] <Unit193> !es
[09:44] <xubuntu561> thanks
[09:49] <baizon> !pl
[09:51] <aquix> hmmm
[09:51] <aquix> !no
[09:51] <aquix> cool bot feature
[09:53] <baizon> :)
[12:34] <xubuntu307> hi all, which xfce version is used in xubuntu 12.04?
[12:35] <babble> 4.8
[12:36] <babble> there's a 4.10 ppa or I have built packages for 64-bit
[12:36] <xubuntu307> thanks alot! :-)
[12:37] <babble> the ppa from the xubuntu dev team is here:
[12:37] <babble> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[12:38] <babble> my builds are here:
[12:38] <babble> http://sourceforge.net/projects/babble777.u/files/xfce-4.10-daily/
[12:43] <xubuntu307> thank you very much - i was concerned that 4.10 (and its features) are not included in the current xubuntu release but with the ppa in mind i will give xubuntu a try. :-)
[12:45] <babble> it's not a huge change from 4.8
[12:45] <babble> the xfce folks go for incremental improvements rather than sweeping changes.
[12:45] <babble> though things like a proper MIME editor in 4.10 are handy, I must say
[12:49] <babble> sigh.
[12:49] <babble> ambient aphex twin tracks and a McDonald's commercial really don't go together.
[12:49] <babble> eek. wrong window.
[12:50] <pornolab> hi, could u plz tell me how to set the key-combination to switch between keyboard layouts? I have two layouts but dunno where to go to se the key-combination (xubuntu 12.04)
[12:51] <babble> You can use the keyboard layout switcher plugin for one thing.
[12:51] <babble> Give me a moment and I'll dig through xfconf and see if there's a keyboard setting for it
[12:52] <babble> it looks like they keyboard shortcut xfconf key only exists in 4.10
[12:53] <pornolab> ok
[14:03] <REK_007> unless i disconnect my headphone from the front jack my speakers wont work which are connected to the rear IO panel jack... any solutions?
[14:19] <babble> REK_007: have you tried switching the output device in PulseAudio Volume Control?
[14:32] <REK_007> yeah babble
[14:33] <babble> try killing pulseaudio (alt-f2, then pulseaudio -k)
[14:33] <babble> then make sure your output device (headphones or speakers) is where you want it
[14:33] <REK_007> how do i ensure that?
[14:34] <REK_007> i can tell it used to work fine on ubuntu 10.04 from which i upgraded .. if it helps
[14:40] <cpuwolf> why my xubuntu 12.4 takes so long time before splash screen shows up
[14:50] <cpuwolf> hi
[16:03] <lucky86> Does anyone know how to change the aspect ratio in 12.4 xfce?
[16:03] <penreturns> system setting rite?
[16:04] <penreturns> >appearance
[16:04] <penreturns> sory > Display
[16:04] <aquix> aspect ratio changes with the resolution
[16:05] <lucky86> under display i only have resolution and default monitor
[16:06] <GridCube> lucky86, install arandr
[16:06] <GridCube> lucky86, arandr is a xrandr front end
[16:06] <lucky86> I have a wide screen monitor and every thing gets streched
[16:06] <GridCube> if you trype xrandr
[16:06] <GridCube> in a terminal it tells you all the available resolutions
[16:06] <GridCube> if then you do xrandr -s numberxnumber
[16:07] <GridCube> then you set that resolution, arandr helps you there
[16:07] <penreturns> r u install it under vm>
[16:07] <lucky86> in snaptic?
[16:07] <GridCube> oooo
[16:07] <GridCube> virtual machine
[16:07] <GridCube> install the virtual machine metapackage
[16:08] <GridCube> in any case, sudo apt-get install arandr
[16:11] <X-Phips> hey, i want to mount my Win-partition to xubuntu
[16:12] <GridCube> good :)
[16:12] <X-Phips> yes, :d i but i want to edit, read, etc all the files in win + xubuntu
[16:13] <X-Phips> i have already command "sudo fdisk -l" in terminal
[16:13] <X-Phips> result
[16:13] <X-Phips> /dev/sda1              63    12579839     6289888+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[16:13] <X-Phips> /dev/sda2   *    12579840   312560639   149990400    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[16:14] <X-Phips> i think that the win is in FAT32
[16:14] <X-Phips> is that right?
[16:14] <penreturns> ntfs
[16:14] <penreturns> sda2
[16:14] <X-Phips> ok, sda1 is then xubuntu?
[16:15] <aquix> pastebin.com          the output from   sudo fdisk -l
[16:15] <aquix> sda2 have 3 partitions it looks like
[16:15] <lucky86> do  I understand that if i put in: xrandr -s 1360x768 it will invoke that resolution?
[16:16] <lucky86> sorry to inturrupt
[16:16] <aquix> can't you find that resolution in    settings -> display?
[16:16] <lucky86> no
[16:16] <aquix> you can't interupt on irc :)      5 conversations at the same time is normal
[16:17] <lucky86> Ahh your americans
[16:17] <X-Phips> hm, so what I have to do now, look for a file in /etc/fstab ?
[16:18] <aquix> americans? whats with the language?
[16:18] <lucky86> 10 americans = 5 conversations
[16:19] <aquix> X-Phips    nice guide here    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[16:19] <aquix> X-Phips  or ever better guide here:    http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindowsfstab
[16:20] <X-Phips> the psychocats :D
[16:20] <X-Phips> ^
[16:20] <X-Phips> ^^
[16:21] <GridCube> !fstab | X-Phips
[16:23] <X-Phips> so, next step will be creating a mount point 1ẞ1ẞ
[16:23] <X-Phips> *!?!?
[16:24] <GridCube> yes
[16:24] <aquix> mount point is just a folder where the drive will be mounted to
[16:24] <GridCube> >sudo mkdir /mount/point
[16:24] <aquix> sounds more special than it is
[16:24] <X-Phips> mhm ^^
[16:25] <X-Phips> so, sudo mkdir /windows
[16:25] <X-Phips> says Psychocat
[16:27] <X-Phips> what i have to command now, sudo mkdir /mount/point or sudo mkdir /windows ?
[16:30] <GridCube> X-Phips, /mount/point is just an example
[16:31] <X-Phips> ok, so sudo mkdir /windows (as the part. for mounting) /point
[16:32] <GridCube> :)
[16:32] <GridCube> yes that would be your mointing point
[16:33] <X-Phips> Psychocat says sth about editing the /etc/fstab -file
[16:34] <X-Phips> Ii haven't got this file in /etc/fstab.d
[16:34] <aquix> it's /etc/fstab
[16:34] <X-Phips> ah the folder
[16:35] <aquix> file fstab in folder /etc
[16:35] <X-Phips> file fstab is in /etc yes, i have it
[16:38] <X-Phips> and what should i command for the mount point, where i have to pay attention?
[16:39] <GridCube> X-Phips, do this
[16:40] <GridCube> press alt-f2 and write: gksu leafpad /etc/fstab
[16:40] <GridCube> then add to the last like this:
[16:40] <GridCube> /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  o
[16:40] <GridCube> /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  0
[16:40] <GridCube> that last one
[16:40] <GridCube> and then add a new empty line
[16:40] <GridCube> and then save and close and reboot
[16:42] <molgrum> my sound stopped working, i can't hear anything from videos anymore
[16:43] <X-Phips> so, i have to write "gksu leafpad /etc/fstab/dec/sda2   /windows   auto   auto   0   0"
[16:44] <GridCube> no
[16:44] <GridCube> no no no
[16:44] <GridCube> no
[16:44] <X-Phips> grrrrr
[16:45] <X-Phips> omg
[16:45] <GridCube> press alt-f2
[16:45] <X-Phips> jep :)
[16:45] <GridCube> write: gksu leafpad /etc/fstab
[16:45] <baizon> molgrum: are you using the proprietary drivers?
[16:45] <GridCube> execute that X-Phips
[16:45] <molgrum> baizon, for wlan yes, for sound no, not that i know of at least
[16:46] <baizon> molgrum: graphics card?
[16:46] <GridCube> molgrum, check on jockey-gtk
[16:46] <X-Phips> ok mom
[16:46] <GridCube> :P ok X-Phips
[16:46] <GridCube> not at the very bottom of that text file
[16:46] <GridCube> write this:
[16:46] <GridCube> /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  0
[16:46] <X-Phips> moom :D
[16:47] <X-Phips> i'm command now this gksu ... thing ...
[16:47] <GridCube> :)
[16:47] <molgrum> baizon, GridCube, i'm only using prop for wlan, graphics card is the foss driver
[16:47] <GridCube> you might need the propietaries for those then, maybe, did sound worked before?
[16:48] <X-Phips> sry, one question: the files in win, pics, docs, can they disappear ?
[16:48] <molgrum> GridCube, yes it worked before
[16:48] <baizon> X-Phips: when your hard drive is broken :D
[16:48] <GridCube> try >sudo alsa force-reload
[16:48] <aquix> X-Phips no, worst thing that can happen is that the drive doesn't mount
[16:48] <X-Phips> hope not ;D
[16:49] <GridCube> X-Phips, no they shouldent
[16:49] <GridCube> X-Phips, did you add that line at the bottom of the text file?
[16:49] <X-Phips> ok, i have command now gksu leafpad /etc/fstab
[16:49] <molgrum> GridCube, didn't work
[16:50] <GridCube> molgrum, what does alsamixer says?
[16:50] <molgrum> ah, master is set to zero
[16:50] <GridCube> ;)
[16:50] <GridCube> theres your problem
[16:51] <X-Phips> so, "fstab" show me:
[16:51] <X-Phips> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[16:51] <X-Phips> #
[16:51] <X-Phips> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
[16:51] <X-Phips> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
[16:51] <X-Phips> # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[16:51] <X-Phips> #
[16:51] <X-Phips> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[16:51] <X-Phips> proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0
[16:51] <martinphone> help: can I use find /home/dexter/downloads/1 -name 'mp_*' -exec rm {} \ ; to remove all .gif files?
[16:51] <GridCube> X-Phips,
[16:51] <GridCube> dont flood
[16:51] <GridCube> i know what it says
[16:51] <molgrum> GridCube, do i have to save the setting or does it do it automagically?
[16:52] <martinphone> -name '.gif'?
[16:52] <GridCube> it should be automagicall
[16:52] <X-Phips> CridCube: ok, and what now?
[16:53] <GridCube> at the bottom of that text file
[16:53] <GridCube> add that line:
[16:53] <GridCube> /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  0
[16:53] <GridCube> and press enter after that, to leave an empty line
[16:53] <molgrum> thanks for the help! bye
[16:53] <X-Phips> ok moment pls
[16:53] <GridCube> :) good luck molgrum
[16:54] <X-Phips> ok, command /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  0 and press enter
[16:54] <X-Phips> i have that now
[16:55] <GridCube> X-Phips, just to be completely sure, you didnt write the "command" word, correct, just the line as ipasted it?
[16:55] <X-Phips> yes, the line starts with: dev/...
[16:55] <GridCube> /dev
[16:55] <GridCube> ok
[16:55] <GridCube> then save the file
[16:55] <GridCube> and close that window
[16:56] <GridCube> now open a terminal, and write: sudo mount /dev/sda2
[16:56] <GridCube> and execute that
[16:56] <X-Phips> so, the slash before "dev" is directly under the slash before "host"
[16:56] <X-Phips> ok, saveing
[16:56] <X-Phips> closing
[16:57] <X-Phips> terminal
[16:57] <GridCube> yes, the / is VERY importan
[16:57] <GridCube> / means thats the root directory
[16:57] <X-Phips> commanding sudo mount /dec/sda2
[16:57] <GridCube> dev
[16:57] <X-Phips> mh, godd inform. ^^
[16:57] <GridCube> yes
[16:57] <X-Phips> dev ^^
[16:57] <X-Phips> always wrong :D
[16:58] <GridCube> :) no problem, we all had to learn at one point
[16:58] <X-Phips> ok, press enter?
[16:58] <GridCube> yep
[16:58] <X-Phips> Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.
[16:58] <X-Phips> The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which
[16:58] <X-Phips> could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.
[16:59] <X-Phips> ???
[16:59] <GridCube> ok
[16:59] <GridCube> that means that your folder is mounted on /media/something
[16:59] <GridCube> or disk
[16:59] <GridCube> you have that disks icons on the desktop
[17:00] <GridCube> if you open them the disks mount to /media/something
[17:00] <aquix> probably automounted and shows up in thunar
[17:00] <GridCube> now they wont anymore, they will automatically to /windows
[17:00] <GridCube> next time you reboot
[17:00] <aquix> in terminal :      mount
[17:01] <X-Phips> should i have a file in /media ?
[17:01] <GridCube> if you know where it is, nope
[17:02] <GridCube> its easier to keep it in media because, everything mounts there
[17:02] <GridCube> but not obligatory
[17:02] <GridCube> if you do wish to mount it on /media you have to: sudo mkdir /media/windows
[17:03] <X-Phips> i got to "file system" then to "media" and don't find there anything
[17:03] <GridCube> and then change fstab again and change the part that says /windows and put /media/windows there
[17:03] <X-Phips> hm, ok, so first, command sudo mkdir /media/windows
[17:04] <GridCube> X-Phips, on a terminal do this
[17:04] <GridCube> write: mount
[17:04] <GridCube> and paste the output to a pastebin
[17:04] <GridCube> !pastebin | X-Phips
[17:04] <X-Phips> second, open file "fstab" and change /windows to /media/windows
[17:04] <GridCube> yes, that should work, if you want to change the mountpoint for later
[17:05] <X-Phips> ok, open terminal ...
[17:06] <X-Phips> hm, after commanding sudo mkdir /media/windows, the terminal didn't say anything
[17:06] <X-Phips> but i have a folder in media
[17:06] <GridCube> yep
[17:06] <X-Phips> named "windows" :)
[17:06] <GridCube> thats what is should do
[17:07] <X-Phips> ok, then open fstab
[17:08] <X-Phips> and change /windows to /media/windows
[17:08] <X-Phips> ok, then save
[17:08] <X-Phips> close
[17:08] <X-Phips> and then ...
[17:08] <GridCube> yes
[17:08] <GridCube> nothing
[17:09] <GridCube> reboot
[17:09] <X-Phips> not command sudo mount /dev....
[17:09] <GridCube> its already mounted
[17:09] <GridCube> it told you so
[17:09] <GridCube> if you write: mount
[17:09] <X-Phips> mh, ok
[17:09] <GridCube> you will see where stuff is mounted alredy
[17:09] <X-Phips> so, restart, choose xubuntu
[17:10] <GridCube> thats why im asking you to pastebin theoutput that comes from executing mount
[17:10] <GridCube> you will see where stuff is
[17:11] <X-Phips> hm, i have to command in terminal "mount" !?!?
[17:12] <X-Phips> for seeing where stuff is mounted ?
[17:12] <GridCube> yes
[17:12] <X-Phips> ok, mom
[17:12] <GridCube> or df
[17:12] <X-Phips> hmm, pastebin ...
[17:13] <GridCube> !pastebin
[17:13] <X-Phips> hm, poster?
[17:13] <X-Phips> a name ?
[17:14] <GridCube> X-Phips, write whatever you want
[17:14] <GridCube> this nick you are using now for example
[17:15] <X-Phips> to late :p
[17:15] <X-Phips> http://paste.ubuntu.com/983924/
[17:15] <GridCube> oooo youre using wubi
[17:16] <X-Phips> yes, for install.
[17:16] <GridCube> then, as you see the windows partition is on /host
[17:16] <GridCube> i don't think thats a good idea to change that
[17:16] <GridCube> i have no idea how wubi works
[17:16] <GridCube> NO IDEA
[17:16] <X-Phips> f***
[17:16] <GridCube> i would delete that line from /etc/fstab just to be sure
[17:16] <X-Phips> mhm ^
[17:17] <GridCube> and you windows partition in on /host
[17:17] <GridCube> you might add a shortcut to that on your lateral panels of thunar
[17:19] <X-Phips> haha, there is that sh** :D
[17:19] <X-Phips> sry, can you say your sentence from 19:17:52 for an german again pls :)
[17:20] <GridCube> X-Phips, open thunar, go to /
[17:20] <GridCube> then drag the /host folder to the lateral panel
[17:20] <X-Phips> thunar
[17:20] <GridCube> file manager?
[17:21] <GridCube> file browser?
[17:21] <X-Phips> aah
[17:21] <X-Phips> :p
[17:21] <GridCube> its called thunar
[17:21] <X-Phips> ah, so "file system", "Dateisystem" in german
[17:22] <GridCube> yep, thats the root directory
[17:23] <GridCube> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-120512-142226.php
[17:23] <X-Phips>  /host to which panel, this named like the user?
[17:24] <X-Phips> Pic: yep, thats "Dateisystem"
[17:24] <GridCube> see that picture, all the blue folders name Documentos and such
[17:24] <GridCube> and temp and stuff, those are shortcuts
[17:24] <GridCube> i just drag a folder from the other side to there and i can easily access those with a single clic
[17:26] <X-Phips> ok, but i have to find the folder for pics etc in /host
[17:27] <GridCube> :P well yes
[17:27] <X-Phips> and drag this folder (s) to "Pictures" (Bilder), "Documents" (Dokumente) etc
[17:27] <GridCube> those follow the standard windows structure tho
[17:27] <GridCube> so :P i have no idea
[17:29] <X-Phips> hm, i can't find all the pics, some of them ...
[17:29] <X-Phips> only some of them ...
[17:29] <GridCube> again, don't know the microsoft files structure
[17:30] <GridCube> in XP it was clearer, but since them they hide a lot of folders on places i dont understand
[17:30] <X-Phips> ööhm, there is XP as first OS :p
[17:32] <GridCube> oh then your files should be like in /host/Documents and Settings/USRNAME/My Docs/My Pictures
[17:32] <GridCube> or something like that
[17:33] <X-Phips> haaaaaaaaa victory
[17:33] <X-Phips> i have them
[17:34] <X-Phips> doc and settings > HP-Besitzer (hp_owner) > my files (eigene Dateien) and there I have all of folders etc
[17:34] <X-Phips> so, drag pics into pictures
[17:34] <X-Phips> and he'll show there a link ?
[17:34] <aquix> your dutch?
[17:35] <X-Phips> german aquix
[17:35] <aquix> same same   :p
[17:35] <X-Phips> does he link or does he move ?
[17:35] <X-Phips> link?
[17:36] <GridCube> if yuou move to the side panel it will show a + symbol
[17:36] <GridCube> or a chain symbol
[17:36] <X-Phips> i try it with an test-folder
[17:36] <GridCube> it changes from time to time, it has to be the lower part of the sidepanel
[17:37] <GridCube> the upper side will try to actually move the contents
[17:37] <X-Phips> ok
[17:38] <X-Phips> i find the "test" folder in /host and pictures where i dragged it
[17:39] <GridCube> X-Phips, wait
[17:40] <X-Phips> why
[17:40] <X-Phips> ehwhats up?
[17:40] <X-Phips> -eh
[17:42] <X-Phips> problem?
[17:42] <GridCube> :P
[17:42] <GridCube> no i did a small tutorial
[17:43] <X-Phips> so, dragging is ok?
[17:44] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/212150
[17:44] <GridCube> :D
[17:44] <GridCube> yes
[17:46] <X-Phips> and what is he doing when i add more pics to the hard drive (in Win XP) from for ex. digital camera ?
[17:47] <X-Phips> have i copy them too in Xubuntu to the panel?
[17:47] <aquix> no. when the drive is mounted you have the same exact acces both from windows and linux to the very same files
[17:49] <X-Phips> when i drag a folder called "spring 2010" from host > docs and settings > hp owner > my docs > my pictures to the side-panel in "Pictures", is that always actual bec. of mounting?
[17:51] <X-Phips> what i mean is, can i see a new folder which is (on Windows) located at "my Pictures" in xubuntu at USER > pictures without copying from /host ?
[17:51] <aquix> what host ?
[17:52] <X-Phips> äh, this host in tunar !?!?
[17:52] <X-Phips> file-system > host
[17:53] <aquix> when you mount the windows drive, it's just like any other drive. you can do all the things with it that you can with linux drives
[17:54] <aquix> and the sidebar in thunar is just shortcuts to different folders. you can add and remove them as you like.
[17:54] <X-Phips> and when i delete a folder in Win, is that folder deleted too in Xubuntu when I start Xubuntu after deleting ?
[17:55] <X-Phips> is Xubuntu bec. of the mounting always current with showing Files, Folders etc which are edited in Win ?
[17:56] <LMJ> Hi
[17:56] <aquix> yes.   It's the same hard drive, but you access it from to different OS.
[17:56] <babble> X-Phips: if you have your windows partition mounted, you're working with the files *on* that partition.
[17:56] <babble> anything you delete from there is deleted from that partition.
[17:57] <babble> it's not showing you something abstracted (or at least no more or less abstracted than when you're using that partition or disk from within windows)
[17:57] <X-Phips> althought i have copy folders in "Pict.", "Docs" etc , so in subfolders of "USER" ?
[17:57] <LMJ> When I was using Ubuntu, I could simply encrypt a usb key, when I plugged it, it ask me for the password to uncrypt and access to it. Can I do the same thing as simple as it was with xubuntu ? What is the way to do it plz ?
[17:58] <aquix> it's like an external hdd.   you can plug it into different machines and changes you make on one will follow the drive, not the machine
[17:59] <aquix> X-Phips    you mean the shortcuts in the thunar sidebar?
[18:00] <X-Phips> yes the shortcuts ^
[18:00] <babble> LMJ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage
[18:00] <aquix> X-Phips  thats just shortcuts to the different folders. they don't contain the data. only points to it
[18:01] <X-Phips> and the shortcuts show for ex. a new folder i have created in win, althought i haven't copy him from /host to the shortcut ?
[18:02] <aquix> hmmm, how to explain this.
[18:02] <X-Phips> ^^ yes thats the question i asked me all this time here :D
[18:03] <aquix> it can, but you have to make the shortcut.
[18:03] <X-Phips> and how to write in Engl ...
[18:03] <aquix> ah, I see
[18:03] <aquix> you drag the folder to the sidebar, but not really. it doesn't copy anything, just makes a shortcut.
[18:03] <X-Phips> aah, ok
[18:04] <aquix> so if you make a new folder in win. you have to drag it to the sidebar in thunar to make a shortcut
[18:04] <X-Phips> yes, i got that ^
[18:04] <X-Phips> and is it ok when i take the folder in "USER"
[18:04] <aquix> so your cool?
[18:04] <X-Phips> cool (h)
[18:04] <X-Phips> ;)
[18:05] <LMJ> thanks babble
[18:05] <aquix> then forward and upwards :)
[18:05] <babble> X-Phips: shortcuts in the Thunar sidebar will be just shortcuts; it won't do dynamic redirection of a folder that XP/Vista/Win7 treats as a dynamic user folder location
[18:06] <babble> LMJ: :)
[18:07] <X-Phips> when i have a folder in the mainfolder "USER" which I can't find in the shortcuts, should i take them into the sidebar folder "USER" or down in the part of the shortcuts ?
[18:07] <X-Phips> babble: so all new folders created in win want to drag into shortcut-part
[18:08] <babble> That doesn't make sense to me: you want all new folders you create in <some location> on your windows partition to automatically appear as separate shortcuts in the Thunar sidebar?
[18:08] <X-Phips> or in the mainfolder "USER"
[18:08] <aquix> no, you make the shortcuts you need by dragging the folder to the sidebar.
[18:08] <aquix> whatever folder
[18:09] <babble> Here's what's happening: when you drag a folder into the Thunar sidebar, it's adding a path to a file called gtk-bookmarks
[18:09] <babble> if the location you're trying to make into a sidebar shortcut can't be gotten to from an absolute path, that shortcut in the sidebar won't work
[18:10] <aquix> bookmarks is a good anology. it's just bookmarks
[18:10] <babble> if the location you want to use *can* be accessed as an absolute path, it will work.
[18:10] <X-Phips> ok, and much subfolders in "my pictures", where i have to drag them?
[18:10] <babble> It's difficult to understand exactly what you want
[18:10] <aquix> yeah
[18:10] <X-Phips> sry :D
[18:11] <X-Phips> ok, again
[18:11] <aquix> no worries. we blame windows, not you  :D
[18:11] <babble> certain things the Windows UI does (like Documents and Settings, or User folders) aren't absolute locations
[18:11] <aquix> brb, smokez
[18:12] <babble> (i.e. they're merged filesystems that represent two or more absolute locations that are merged together to look like a single folder)
[18:12] <X-Phips> Subfolders in "my pictures" : copy into thunar folder "USER" or into thunar shortcut "Pictures" or into empty area near by shortcuts ?
[18:12] <babble> if you want to shortcut one of those merged filesystems, that likely won't work.
[18:13] <babble> if you want to shortcut a specific folder inside your specific user folder, that will work
[18:13] <X-Phips> for example:
[18:14] <X-Phips> i had create a new folder in /host called "test". Dragged him into empty area near by shortcut (for create a new shortcut called "test"). But: don't see him in userfolder "USER"
[18:15] <babble> sidebar shortcuts aren't making aliases inside a folder on your windows partition.
[18:15] <babble> they're not aliases or symlinks in the win filesystem
[18:16] <X-Phips> aim: see the shortcut-folder "test" in the user-main-folder "USER"
[18:16] <babble> they're paths, in a file in your home folder when you're booted into Linux, as I said.
[18:16] <babble> so if you're looking for Windows style shortcuts for something you've added to the Thunar sidebar, those don't exist
[18:16] <babble> You're not listening.
[18:17] <babble> There isn't a *folder* of shortcuts on the Windows filesystem containing your Thunar sidebar shortcuts
[18:17] <babble> it's reading a *file* in your home directory that contains a set of *paths*
[18:18] <X-Phips> ok, i thing i got that
[18:18] <X-Phips> but:
[18:18] <babble> Do you understand how browser shortcuts work?
[18:18] <babble> It's similar to that.
[18:18] <babble> there's not a collection of folders stored someplace.
[18:19] <X-Phips> is it a mistake when I drag folders from /host directly to "USER"
[18:19] <X-Phips> instead of doing shortcut
[18:19] <babble> it's difficult to understand what you want, so it's hard to say if what you're doing is something you want or don't want
[18:19] <X-Phips> hmmm
[18:21] <X-Phips> i think i drag all the subfolders located in /host > Docs and ... > ... > ... > my pics in the shortcut "Pictures"
[18:21] <babble> What do you want to do?
[18:22] <X-Phips> see all the folders in the mainfolder "USER", when i open my personal folder "USER"
[18:22] <X-Phips> mmh
[18:22] <X-Phips> always this f*** explaining ...
[18:22] <X-Phips> sry
[18:24] <babble> Again, the Windows UI doesn't have absolute paths for some dynamic locations
[18:25] <babble> however, if you're browsing something mounted in Thunar, Thunar will bookmark it correctly.
[18:25] <X-Phips> ok
[18:25] <X-Phips> let it be :D
[18:25] <babble> if you're looking at a collection of folders inside your user folder in Thunar, go up one level and bookmark the containing folder.
[18:26] <babble> then, when you click that bookmark in the Thunar sidebar, it will do exactly the same thing as double clicking that containing folder to open it
[18:26] <babble> if you *can't* see what you want to get at in Thunar, but you want Thunar to do something that Windows Explorer does to show you whatever location you're trying to see,
[18:27] <babble> again, that's probably a dynamically loaded merged folder that only works correctly in the Windows UI
[18:28] <babble> for example, in XP when you're looking at Documents and Settings when logged in as your user, it's showing you the merged contents of *two* folders
[18:28] <babble> (Documents and Settings for your user, and Documents and Settings for all users)_
[18:28] <babble> Thunar won't show you that sort of merged folder view in a thing you can bookmark in the sidebar.
[18:29] <babble> My Pictures and My Documents do similar things, if I'm not mistaken
[18:30] <astraljava> Is it possible he's looking into seeing links instead of bookmarks? He talks about seeing them _inside_ this USER folder (don't really know what that is referring to, anyhoo).
[18:30] <babble> astraljava: Yeah, that's why I tried explaining that what he's adding in Thunar isn't a folder containing a list of shortcuts or symlinks.
[18:31] <astraljava> babble: Yep. Can you create links (as in `ln -s`) in Thunar somehow?
[18:31] <babble> astraljava: sure, but dragged shortcuts in Thunar to the sidebar are paths in gtk-bookmarks
[18:31] <astraljava> I get that. But how do you create links, then?
[18:32] <babble> Ctrl-Shift on drag in Thunar
[18:32]  * astraljava is not on a linux box ATM so can't check.
[18:32] <astraljava> Right.
[18:33] <babble> but from what I can gather of his explanation, he's not seeing everything he's used to inside what I suspect is a merged folder in the Windows UI
[18:33] <babble> he keeps referring to his pictures folder inside his user folder.
[18:33] <astraljava> Right. Well, just a thought. You're doing a good job, please carry on. :)
[18:38] <X-Phips> i see, i can't edit files because the "owner" is root
[18:39] <X-Phips> what to do / is that normal ?
[18:40] <babble> are you attempting to bookmark a location on a windows partition that's mounted inside linux?
[18:40] <X-Phips> editing files in shortcut-folders
[18:41] <babble> that doesn't make sense to me.
[18:41] <X-Phips> i cant delete files in shortcut-folders
[18:41] <babble> where is the folder shortcut-folders located? can you give me an absolute path to whatever you're looking at?
[18:43] <X-Phips> the shortcuts are from /host > docs and settings > hp owner > my files > my docs
[18:43] <babble> I need an absolute path so I can understand better whatever it is you're trying to do
[18:43] <babble> do you have a windows partition mounted inside linux?
[18:43] <X-Phips> what do you mean with absolute path?
[18:43] <babble> We'll go through this a step at a time.
[18:44] <babble> 1. Do you have a Windows partition mounted in Linux?
[18:44] <X-Phips> i have this linux installed with wubi
[18:44] <GridCube> X-Phips, /host/docs&setting/ is owned by windows
[18:44] <X-Phips> yes ^^
[18:44] <GridCube> X-Phips, the link is just a link
[18:44] <GridCube> to a folder
[18:44] <X-Phips> yes ^^
[18:44] <GridCube> thats owned by linux
[18:45] <babble> again, if you can *see* what you want in Thunar, drag it to the sidebar
[18:45] <GridCube> the link
[18:45] <GridCube> you dont have to move stuff to the /home/user/Images
[18:45] <GridCube> for example
[18:45] <babble> if you *cannot* see what you want in Thunar, but you want Thunar to do something Windows Explorer does for you in WIndows, it's difficult to understand you, but that likely won't work
[18:45] <GridCube> you just will move them out of windows folders
[18:45] <X-Phips> and where i have to bookmark the pics, docs etc when i want to edit them?
[18:46] <GridCube> you can have a link to them if you DRAG AND DROP a link to the windows folder on the side bar
[18:46] <babble> Can you navigate to the folder you want in Thunar?
[18:46] <GridCube> no need to move the files
[18:46] <GridCube> just go to that folder
[18:46] <X-Phips> or better: what should i command for taking the rights to delete, edit etc
[18:46] <GridCube> and use it
[18:46] <GridCube> X-Phips, you should be able to do that already
[18:46] <GridCube> X-Phips, really, you should use a normal installer and not use wubi
[18:47] <X-Phips> tja ...
[18:47] <babble> wubi installs are becoming the bane of my life.
[18:47] <GridCube> yes
[18:47] <GridCube> second
[18:47] <GridCube> i don't understand how wubi works
[18:48] <X-Phips> should should should ...
[18:48] <X-Phips> ;)
[18:48] <babble> GridCube: it's sort of like using Qemu running from an ISO
[18:48] <GridCube> hehe :D
[18:48] <babble> GridCube: Except that it's not running from an image; it's got its own root
[18:48] <xubuntu329> Hey, can someone tell me why xubuntu seems to freeze when booted as a livecd? it works just fine in virtualbox.
[18:48] <xubuntu329> *please
[18:49] <GridCube> i don't know... maybe hardware issues?
[18:49] <babble> xubuntu307: you'll need to narrow things down some more, most likely. Virtualbox is emulating very basic hardware.
[18:49] <babble> xubuntu307: have you tried booting from the live system with nomodeset?
[18:50] <xubuntu329> What's that?
[18:50] <xubuntu329> A terminal command of some sort?
[18:50] <babble> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[18:50] <Infy__> It's a line you add to your kernel when it's booting up
[18:50] <xubuntu329> Ok
[18:50] <babble> Nomodeset will load software only video drivers and use only very basic graphics modes
[18:51] <xubuntu329> Thanks
[18:51] <X-Phips> what is the command for opening a folder?
[18:51] <babble> do you want to open a folder in Thunar from the commandline?
[18:52] <X-Phips> i want to add a new thing to a louncher
[18:52] <X-Phips> in the bar at the bottom
[18:52] <GridCube> X-Phips, thunar /path/to/directory
[18:52] <babble> if you're specifying an executable file in a launcher, do /path/to/executable
[18:52] <babble> if you want thunar to open a location, do a URL launcher and set /path/to/someplace as the URL
[18:53] <X-Phips> hmm
[18:54] <X-Phips> open a shortcut with klicking to a louncher on bar at bottom
[18:54] <babble> what, exactly, do you want this Launcher to do?
[18:54] <X-Phips> open the shortcut "Pictures"
[18:54] <babble> where is "Pictures" located?
[18:55] <X-Phips> it's from /host
[18:55] <babble> I understand that
[18:55] <babble> I need the complete path to the folder you want the shortcut to open
[18:55] <rolesp> hello all
[18:55] <babble> open your terminal
[18:55] <X-Phips> opened
[18:55] <babble> do:
[18:55] <babble> cd /host
[18:57] <X-Phips>  /host$
[18:57] <GridCube> babble, actually is easier
[18:57] <babble> cd 'Documents and Settings'
[18:57] <GridCube> X-Phips, please do as i say
[18:57] <X-Phips> ok pls
[18:58] <babble> (or nav to it in Thunar, right click and do Open Terminal Here, maybe)
[18:58] <GridCube> now X-Phips go and add a new launcher to the panel, right click add-element > launcher
[18:58] <X-Phips> jop
[18:58] <GridCube> then create a new launcher
[18:59] <GridCube> not the big +, the one under it
[18:59] <GridCube> as command use Thunar
[18:59] <GridCube> and as working directory navigate to the folder you want it to open
[18:59] <babble> yeah, I was getting to that
[18:59] <babble> I need to understand the complete path as he's running in Wubi
[19:00] <Aetcho> Hi, this is the xubuntu help channel right?
[19:00] <GridCube> babble, he just needs to navigate, you dont need to write, theres a navigate button
[19:00] <GridCube> Aetcho, yep youre in the right place
[19:00] <babble> that should work, yeah
[19:01] <X-Phips> the folder i want to open with the launcher is named "Eigene Bilder"
[19:02] <Aetcho> Nice! Well, i sort of have a problem with xubuntu. Whenever i boot the livecd and arrive at the desktop. When i try to open a window, i can't close it down again/minimize it any of that stuff.
[19:02] <Aetcho> So, the windows freeze.
[19:02] <babble> you'll still need to specify a path for it in Thunar, X-Phips
[19:02] <Aetcho> Is there a way to fix this?
[19:02] <babble> Aetcho: have you tried a couple of CDs?
[19:02] <Aetcho> Im booting it from an usb
[19:02] <babble> do you still have the ISO image you downloaded?
[19:02] <Aetcho> Yes
[19:03] <Aetcho> It's on the computer
[19:03] <babble> which one is it? (I'll go get the md5 and we'll check)
[19:03] <Aetcho> I have re-extracted it to the usb serveral times
[19:03] <Aetcho> Well, it's the 64 bit desktop one
[19:03] <babble> let's see if it's a good image, first
[19:03] <babble> 12.04 amd64 desktop?
[19:03] <Aetcho> y
[19:03] <babble> one min.
[19:03] <Aetcho> ty
[19:04] <babble> where is your downloaded image? (i.e. on your desktop? In your Downloads folder?)
[19:04] <Aetcho> Yes, it's in my downloads folder.
[19:04] <babble> okay. are you in Linux or Windows at the moment?
[19:05] <Aetcho> Windows vista sp2 64-bit
[19:05] <babble> let me go get syntax for windows
[19:05] <Aetcho> ok
[19:05] <babble> okay, should be the same.
[19:06] <babble> open a commandline and cd into your downloads folder
[19:06] <babble> in there do:
[19:06] <babble> md5 xubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:06] <Aetcho> I ook
[19:06] <babble> that will give you a number
[19:07] <X-Phips> do a break
[19:07] <babble> it should match this:
[19:07] <babble> 724224b8d62c7bccecdee6b82850c0e6
[19:07] <Aetcho> " MD5 is not an internal command, an external command, a program or a commandfile "
[19:08] <Aetcho> Do i have to type run or something
[19:08] <Aetcho> before 4b8d62c7bccecdee6b82850c0e6
[19:08] <babble> no, don't do the number.
[19:08] <Aetcho> ok
[19:08] <babble> I want to see what number it gives you
[19:08] <babble> as I said, cd into your downloads folder and do:
[19:08] <babble> md5 xubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:09] <Aetcho> I did, but it won't accept md5 xubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:09] <Aetcho> as a command
[19:09] <babble> http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/
[19:09] <genii-around> md5sum
[19:09] <babble> ah, there we go
[19:13] <Aetcho> It still won't.. accept it
[19:13] <babble> in the absence of any checksum utilities on your installation of Windows, have you tried redownloading a fresh image?
[19:13] <Aetcho> Yes, i did
[19:13] <Aetcho> ...Same problem
[19:13] <Aetcho> I have had the same problem with all distros of linux
[19:14] <babble> then it's likely some issue with your specific hardware.
[19:14] <Aetcho> My graphics card maybe?
[19:14] <Aetcho> Because vista runs fine
[19:14] <babble> it's possible.
[19:14] <Aetcho> I just got new drivers, but is there anything else i can do?
[19:14] <babble> try booting the live installer with nomodeset
[19:15] <Aetcho> How do i go about doing that?
[19:15] <babble> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[19:15] <Aetcho> Thanks.
[19:17] <rolesp> when I do: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre, get this: The package sun-java6-jre is not available, but some other package references to it. This may mean that the package is missing, outdated or just available from another source
[19:17] <rolesp> E: Package "sun-java6-jre 'has no installation candidate
[19:18] <rolesp> there is not jre's in software center, so is another way tu install java?
[19:18] <babble> try openjdk-7-jre
[19:20] <babble> or if it really won't run in 7, there's an OpenJDK 6 runtime as well:
[19:20] <babble> openjdk-6-jre
[19:22] <rolesp> ok, babble, that worked, thanks
[19:22] <babble> rolesp: np :)
[19:23] <babble> if it's for LibreOffice current, OpenJDK 7 should work just fine.
[19:23] <X-Phips> back
[19:23] <X-Phips> much thanks @ all for big help :)
[19:23] <babble> did you get your launcher to do what you want?
[19:24] <babble> oh, bother. Really Mageia? Really?
[19:24] <babble> Your grub setup will ONLY do the installation of Mageia on this partition?
[19:24] <babble> blarg
[19:24] <X-Phips> that's another part, no patience  anymore :D
[19:24] <X-Phips> wish you good day bye
[19:28] <rolesp> bbl
[19:55] <Belserusk> Hi all. Is it still better to upgrade Xubuntu via a pendrive/CD rather than via the update manager? Will this always be the case?
[20:00] <aquix> upgrades are getting better. but to be completely sure of a hazzel free experience a fresh install is better. And it's also a good way to finally get those backup's done.
[20:01] <aquix> and things like firefox gets a new faster profile that improves speed a bit
[20:03] <aquix> also, I  have found new features going through all the different options and preferences on new installs.
[20:06] <Belserusk> Cheers aquix.
[20:30] <aquix> no problem, just my humble opinion :)
[21:24] <weekscorp> Hello... What is the best way to get all of the drivers I need for my computer now that I have installed xUbuntu?
[21:24] <gordonjcp> weekscorp: drivers?
[21:24] <gordonjcp> for what?
[21:25] <weekscorp> I have tested ubuntu in the past a little bit and had issues with getting my printer and sound card to work.
[21:26] <weekscorp> when i say sound card i mean what came built in to the computer.
[21:30] <weekscorp> It just told me installation complete. got to restart
[22:39] <martinphone> what photo organizer do you recommend?
[22:39] <martinphone> instead of glthumb, the default one
[22:41] <mongy> depends what you want.
[22:41] <mongy> f-spot, shotwell, digikam(kde)
[22:41] <GridCube> i like to use folders
[22:41] <GridCube> and copy paste
[23:01] <aquix> One thing that doesn't work. Set as desktop background in gtumb. how do you guys work around that?
[23:01] <aquix> *gthumb
[23:06] <mongy> do it from right click desktop
[23:06] <mongy> I rarely change my desktop though
[23:06] <GridCube> right clic on an image on thunar, set as wallpaper
[23:06] <GridCube> open in ristretto, use as wallpaper
[23:07] <mongy> GridCube, never even noticed those.. lol
[23:19] <aquix> GridCube I open in ristretto too. The best feature with gthumb (over the thunar way) is that it show the last downloaded pictures on the bottom.
[23:24] <aquix> GridCube thank you
[23:25] <aquix> I use thunar, search by date, ctrl+1 for thumbs, and set as background. much easier.
[23:30] <Cygnus-X1> Okay, I upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04, and whenever an OSD comes up, a copy of the notifications winds up in a little mail type thing in the system tray
[23:31] <Cygnus-X1> Funny thing, its only happened in my LTS to LTS upgrade.  My fresh install and my 11.10 upgrade don't have that feature.
[23:31] <Cygnus-X1> how do I turn it off?
[23:55] <aquix> Evixion   think your router is depressed