[01:24] <nathwill> is charm store by chance importing charms too soon?
[01:24] <nathwill> i'm really confused to suddenly find a couple charms i submitted on jujucharms.com without any indication of promulgation in the relevant bugs
[01:26] <nathwill> hrm. no... juju's not finding it in the charm store... that's very strange
[04:30] <SpamapS> nathwill: if you name a charm branch 'trunk' it will end up on jujucharms.com and in the charm store as cs:~your-lp-id/precise/charmname
[04:31] <SpamapS> nathwill: in that way, you can emulate PPA-like behavior
[04:31] <nathwill> interesting. i wasn't aware of that, was kinda surprised.
[04:32] <nathwill> i figured something like that was going on after juju failed to grab it from non-local. :)
[04:33] <SpamapS> nathwill: while I like the coolness of 'juju deploy x' .. its not suitable for production. You can't update the charm in any way if your live service needs some tweaks.
[04:33] <SpamapS> so.. local: is probably going to need to be the way people use most charms for a while anyway. :-P
[04:34] <nathwill> SpamapS: that makes sense. i imagine most folks're going to be taking advantage of xyz config options anyhow.
[04:36] <SpamapS> nathwill: thats not really useful at 3am when your pager goes off and the charm is just broken though. ;)
[04:36] <nathwill> nothing seems useful at 3am when your pager goes off
[04:36] <SpamapS> least of all one's brain ;)
[04:36] <nathwill> except maybe a hammer, for the pager.
[04:37] <SpamapS> hopefully that hammer comes with a good resume template. ;)
[04:37] <nathwill> lol. indeed...
[05:38] <ihashacks> $ juju add-relation nagios mysql
[05:38] <ihashacks> ... that would have been *too* easy, huh?
[06:47] <nathwill> so, i've noticed a few times that relation-departed doesn't seem to get run if you destroy a service without removing the units first... anybody aware of that or should i file a bug?
[16:35] <SpamapS> ihashacks: actually, recent changes to juju *should* make it that easy
[16:38] <SpamapS> ihashacks: we just need to update the nagios charm
[16:57] <SpamapS> ihashacks: oh wow, nagios is REALLY out of date
[16:57]  * SpamapS notes that we really really need full testing.. like now
[16:57] <SpamapS> bit rot is bad
[16:57] <SpamapS> ihashacks: anyway, I am working on fixing it, lp:~clint-fewbar/charms/precise/nagios/trunk ...
[17:26] <james_w> \o/
[17:27] <james_w> getting that working will be a big win for us
[21:12] <_mup_> Bug #998888 was filed: juju-info should include the remote charm and open ports <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/998888 >
[23:10] <SpamapS> ihashacks: ok, if you deploy cs:~clint-fewbar/precise/nagios , it should be able to relate to *any* service and it will add ping checks. Still needs a lot of work to group units into service groups and also to add more plugins
[23:15] <SpamapS> still needs a LOT of work
[23:15] <james_w> SpamapS, any service? or anything with http interface?