[00:36]  * apachelogger blinks
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it allows for Muon to provide notification for distros not using k-n-h (Debian springs to mind)
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> For the usecase of "no Muon anywhere", I think that's probably a rare usecase.
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> Both the reboot and hook functionality of k-n-h currently rely on stamps created by stuff in the update-notifier-common package
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> and muon-notifier is basically a frontend for update-notifier
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> with the reasoning being that if you don't have an update-notifier frontend installed and just use apt-get, you'd get no notifications anyways
[05:14]  * JontheEchidna takes the quantal dive
[11:35] <Mamarok> the title is misleading: apparently Google employees use Kubuntu: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/05/how-google-developers-use-ubuntu.html
[11:38] <Tm_T> Mamarok: Kubuntu is Ubuntu
[11:39] <Mamarok> yeah, sort of, but the author tries to actually make it sound like only the cook uses Kubuntu
[12:35] <Tm_T> bah
[12:35] <Tm_T> so if one installs kubuntu-active, there's no normal kubuntu desktop anymore
[12:42] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yah
[12:42] <apachelogger> Tm_T: lolwut?
[12:58] <Tm_T> apachelogger: yes
[12:59] <Tm_T> when I try to login to plasma-desktop, it gives me active
[12:59] <Tm_T> and only active
[12:59] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:59] <Tm_T> even when I have only installed active, never used it
[12:59] <Tm_T> I have got this on two system now
[13:00] <apachelogger> sounds unintended
[13:00] <Tm_T> yup
[13:00] <apachelogger> /usr/share/xessions/plasma-desktop.desktop
[13:00] <apachelogger> or some such file
[13:00] <apachelogger> what does it contain?
[13:01] <Tm_T> kde-plasma.desktop has Exec=/usr/bin/startkde
[13:03] <apachelogger> and the active one?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:04] <Tm_T> apachelogger: has startactive, as it should
[13:09] <yofel> rbelem_: ^
[13:10] <Tm_T> I haven't been able to figure out what and where is going wrong
[13:11] <Tm_T> there's no plasma-active on any autostart folder that should affect
[13:14] <Tm_T> almost like /usr/share/plasma-active-default-settings/share/autostart/ is read, but why, and where
[13:16] <apachelogger> hm
[13:16] <yofel> Tm_T: what are the contents of /etc/kde4rc ?
[13:16] <apachelogger> Tm_T: echo $KDEDIRS
[13:16] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ahha
[13:16] <Tm_T> /usr/share/kubuntu-active-default-settings/:/usr/share/plasma-active-default-settings/:/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/
[13:17] <apachelogger> ohhhoooo
[13:17] <apachelogger> oh well, that almost makes sense ^^
[13:18] <Tm_T> where that is defined? because it's like that while I'm on unity
[13:18] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[13:18] <apachelogger> probably an xession file
[13:18] <apachelogger> which explains the problem
[13:18] <Tm_T> uhhuh
[13:20] <Tm_T> yofel: prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/
[13:20] <yofel> then it's probably something as apachelogger said
[13:22] <Tm_T> yup, but couldn't locate any xsession file that do define it
[13:24] <Tm_T> aah
[13:24] <Tm_T> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/51kubuntu-active:  export KDEDIRS=/usr/share/kubuntu-active-default-settings/:/usr/share/plasma-active-default-settings/:$KDEDIRS
[13:24] <Tm_T> I'm blind for not noticing that sooner
[13:25] <Tm_T> that file should be read only when plasma-active is the session, am I right?
[13:25] <Tm_T> now it's read every time
[13:26] <Tm_T> so $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP should be checked before setting anything else on there
[13:28] <Tm_T> or $DESKTOP_SESSION rather
[13:30] <apachelogger> no
[13:30] <apachelogger> it shouldn't be set through xession
[13:30] <apachelogger> that doesn't make sense for active
[13:33] <Tm_T> right
[13:33] <Tm_T> where it should be set? I assume on startactive or some similar script
[13:38] <apachelogger> either there or the Exec of the desktop file
[13:39] <Tm_T> oaight, will move stuff to startactive here and see how it goes
[13:45] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 408 * debian/ (11 files) update symbol files for gcc 4.7
[13:45] <Tm_T> startactive script is nicely small btw
[13:46] <yofel> the contents are weird though..
[13:46] <Tm_T> it just launched dbus and then startactive.bin, that's it
[13:46] <Tm_T> launches too
[13:46] <yofel> it *kills* dbus before that
[13:48] <Tm_T> yup
[13:48] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 36 * debian/changelog releasing version 5:71~pre15ubuntu13
[13:49] <Tm_T> it's not first time I see something like that done with dbus
[14:00] <Tm_T> eh, unity-greeter doesn't show active as available session
[14:00] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 98 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[14:08] <apachelogger> lol
[14:11] <Tm_T> brargh
[14:11] <Tm_T> I'm not amused anymore
[14:12] <Tm_T> I see no reason why it wouldn't show it
[14:26] <Tm_T> no
[14:26] <Tm_T> plasma-active isn't on the list now at all
[14:26] <Tm_T> not even with lightdm-kde-greeter
[14:33] <Tm_T> ah, now it's there
[14:33] <Tm_T> not my day...
[14:38] <Tm_T> and not it's not there
[14:43] <Tm_T> now
[15:06] <apachelogger> perhaps the tryexec fails?
[15:06] <apachelogger> which would make the file unlisted
[15:06] <apachelogger> however raising the question why the tryexec fails
[15:11] <Tm_T> apachelogger: it works now
[15:11] <Tm_T> prolly was something of my own doings, I just reverted everything and redid with caution /:
[15:12] <Tm_T> but yeah, placing those KDEDIRS exports to startactive does the job just fine
[15:32] <eagles0513875> hey guys can someone take a look 998630 i dunno why its happening or causing it would be great to get some guidance on how to fix it if possible.
[15:32] <eagles0513875> bug 998630
[15:53] <eagles0513875> yofel: what exactly is causing the above bug of mine?
[15:54] <yofel> from what I see, some dbus call in the menubar widget crashes. I don't have time to dig into dbus in c++ now though
[15:54] <eagles0513875> yofel: does that mean its upstream kde issue or something kubuntu specific?
[15:55] <yofel> as a workaround remove the widget
[15:55] <yofel> not sure
[15:55] <eagles0513875> one thing i do notice is that after the crash i get a black screen with the drop box box in the middle
[15:55] <eagles0513875> yofel: the problem is this is the netbook version and i need the menus at the top
[15:55] <yofel> well, removing the widget *should* make the application menubar appear again
[15:56] <yofel> it's just a matter of where the menu is
[15:56] <eagles0513875> yofel: oddly enough first time it crashes and after i close the bug reporter it comes back on its own
[15:56] <eagles0513875> 2nd time it doesnt
[15:56] <yofel> hm
[15:57] <eagles0513875> whats bad this affects 12.04 and 12.10 so far in the sense of netbook users
[15:57] <yofel> maybe it doesn't wait long enough for the dbus interface to start? Dunno
[15:57] <eagles0513875> not sure im a novice to all of this hence why the questions for guidance
[16:18] <CIA-42> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120513161836-vdm9nrv0fau2xjzr * debian/ (15 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[16:18] <CIA-42> * Merge with Debian, remaining changes: - Keep dependency on a polkit frontend
[16:18] <CIA-42> for libqapt-runtime - Keep cherry-picked patches from the 1.3 branch * Team
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> This new Qt Creator 2.5 is fancy
[16:24] <Darkwing> JontheEchidna: Fancy good?
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> Todo plugin <3 http://i.imgur.com/gSs8O.png
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> new welcome page: http://i.imgur.com/KxBfC.png
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> :D
[16:25] <eagles0513875> hey Darkwing and JontheEchidna :D
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> hi
[16:30] <Darkwing> JontheEchidna: That is sweeeeeeeeeeet.
[16:30] <yofel> nice :)
[16:32] <Darkwing> Okay, There are going to be a few emails from me today...
[16:32] <Darkwing> Updates from UDS as well as call for nominations and schedule for the Council elections.
[17:06] <jussi> wooohoo, the cook uses Kubuntu... :D http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/05/how-google-developers-use-ubuntu.html
[17:09] <yofel> the last paragraph about unity and kde is unclear - is he talking about users not liking change in unity or kde?
[17:09] <Riddell> in unity
[17:10] <Riddell> he explicity mentioned that the kde users are looking forward to the precise update
[17:11] <yofel> btw. did anyone try the NTP time update in the date and time settings? I had 2 people tell me it crashes (bug 998551), but I can't reproduce that
[17:13] <Riddell> no crash but I do get a nasty error diaogue saying "Unable to authenticate/execute the action: 6, "
[17:14] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[17:15] <Riddell> I'm going off irc for a couple of weeks in a hope to prevent burnout, e-mail or text/phone me if you need me
[17:15] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-baseapps] Philip Muškovac * 215 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[17:16] <yofel> Riddell: sure thing, have a good time :)
[17:20] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Philip Muškovac * 168 * debian/ (10 files) * Switch boost build-dep to 1.49 * Update symbol files for gcc 4.7
[17:29] <yofel> bulldog98: please don't forget to add any created files to bzr before you commit (not-installed was missing from smokegen)
[17:31] <yofel> bulldog98: and please use present tense in your changelog entries
[17:35] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/marble] Philip Muškovac * 34 * debian/ (changelog libmarblewidget13.symbols) Update symbol files for gcc 4.7
[17:38] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkipi] Philip Muškovac * 35 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[17:41] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 29 * debian/ (not-installed changelog) releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[17:44] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 31 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[17:48] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdeedu] Philip Muškovac * 31 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[17:52] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/okular] Philip Muškovac * 29 * debian/ (changelog libokularcore1abi1.symbols) Update symbol files for gcc 4.7
[18:00] <Darkwing> bug: 998630
[18:00] <Darkwing> hmmm....
[18:00] <Darkwing> bug 998630
[18:08] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdcraw] Philip Muškovac * 35 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[18:08] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames] Philip Muškovac * 154 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[18:11] <Tm_T> apachelogger: filed a bug about the plasma-active issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-active-default-settings/+bug/998846
[18:17] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkexiv2] Philip Muškovac * 36 * debian/ (changelog libkexiv2-10.symbols) Update symbol files for gcc 4.7
[18:19] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/blinken] Philip Muškovac * 26 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[18:22] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libksane] Philip Muškovac * 28 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[18:32] <yofel> shiiii....
[18:33] <yofel> libboost-graph1.49-dev [required by kdepimlibs] is in universe for quantal
[18:35]  * yofel reverts
[18:39] <yofel> ScottK: or do you know until when that'll be in main?
[18:43] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 24 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[19:03] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kate] Philip Muškovac * 62 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[19:10] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime] Philip Muškovac * 274 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[19:11] <bulldog98> yofel: yes I think I forgot present tense in the first changelogs, but later I did present (and I don’t remember missing not-installed) :(
[19:12] <yofel> np, I noticed it was right in another one.
[19:16] <bulldog98> yofel: it’s ok if you point out, if I do something wrong, cause it’s the only way I’ll find out about what I did wrong and that I did something wrong :)
[19:29] <bulldog98> yofel: http://forum.kubuntu-de.org/index.php?topic=16543.new#new  we may have to patch the akonadi settings, to make sure you have that installed first
[19:30] <yofel> likely, file a bug
[19:32] <bulldog98> against akonadi or something else?
[19:32] <yofel> against whatever provides that backup feature I would say. (I didn't know that akonadi has something like that yet)
[19:34] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza] Philip Muškovac * 13 * debian/ (changelog libanalitza4abi1.symbols) Update symbol files for gcc 4.7
[19:34] <shadeslayer> erk
[19:34] <shadeslayer> new gcc
[19:34] <yofel> yeah, 
[19:34] <yofel> increadibly fun already
[19:34] <shadeslayer> have fun :D
[19:34] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:39] <bulldog98> yofel: bug #998868
[19:40] <yofel> thx
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: any interesting build failiures?
[19:42] <yofel> so far only kdepimlibs being in dep-wait as boost 1.49 binaries are in universe
[19:42] <yofel> otherwise there's only symbol shuffle
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> some of the boost libraries already seem to have been promoted: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/104274870/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.akonadi_1.7.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I'd guess that a few weren't promoted, for whateverreason
[19:45] <bulldog98> yofel: I’ll have a look at that now
[19:45] <yofel> bulldog98: at what?
[19:45] <bulldog98> bug #998868
[19:45] <yofel> ah ok, thanks
[19:51] <bulldog98> yofel: was it in kde-wallpapers where you did an simular patch?
[19:56] <yofel> bulldog98: no, or you don't mean me. What are you trying to do? (note that bzip2 should already be installed, ubuntu-minimal depends on that)
[19:56] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah was kde-workspace
[21:02] <bulldog98> yofel: that’s the patch atm: http://paste.kde.org/477422
[21:03] <yofel> bulldog98: line 9 is obviously wrong, for the rest I'm too tired right now
[21:28] <bulldog98> yofel: :)