[00:00] <brambleclaw> how can i access music files on another profile?
[00:06] <brambleclaw> how can i access music files on another profile?
[00:07] <cailloux> don't know
[00:08] <brambleclaw> k
[00:08] <cailloux> new user :)
[00:10] <brambleclaw> coo
[00:10] <brambleclaw> l
[00:10] <brambleclaw> :)
[00:11] <xixor> yo, does anyone how I can stretch a very large wallpaper across two monitors?
[00:12] <brambleclaw> split it in two with an immage editer?
[00:13] <xixor> I don't edit images.
[00:13] <brambleclaw> ok
[00:16] <xixor> I hate every image editor I have ever used
[00:21] <xixor> besides, then I have to worry about breaking the image up properly, so that the two halfs join equally in the middle on the screens running two different resolutions
[00:22] <xixor> It'd be nice if I could drag the position of the wallpaper around on each screen
[00:27] <xixor> so, I just got a second monitor, how do I control on which monitor a new program launches
[00:33] <JMichaelX> probably because i am missing some important point somewhere, i always prefer two monitors/two computers + synergy
[00:34] <xixor> yeah, does synergy work alright?
[00:35] <JMichaelX> it works great for me.
[00:36] <xixor> yeah, a person at work uses it
[00:36] <JMichaelX> xixor: i also try to use PCs with low[er] power consumption, since i so often am running two
[00:37] <xixor> I prefer one powerful machine... speedstep technology means that most of the time it isn't drawing that much power
[00:37] <JMichaelX> yea
[00:37] <xixor> I do programming, and high performance scientific computing... I need a powerful machine
[00:38] <JMichaelX> xixor: i have much more powerful machines, but do not run them nearly as often
[00:39] <xixor> at one point I was going to try to build a new machine, and try to keep the power consumption down... when you start looking at the idle benchmarks of most machines, there isn't a huge difference in the power draw
[00:40] <DjKiDD> OK So my friend's laptop updated itself and now she can't log in
[00:40] <JMichaelX> for me, my monitors use more power than my PCs
[00:41] <joey_> i installed 11.10 on my friends computer, and it worked nicely, but he saw my 12.04, and wanted it instead(i had to get the 386 version), so I installed it over his 11.10(separate / and /home). however, the package management wont allow me to even load it, coming up with the error of "The package system could not be initialized, your configuration may be
[00:42] <joey_> broken" with a details of
[00:42] <joey_> "Encountered a section with no Package: header" any ideas?
[00:43] <xixor> is there a way to have separate virtual desktops for each monitor?
[01:26] <sangnoir> good day people - can anyone assist me in upgrading from 11.04 to 12.04? UpdateManager is prompting me to upgrade to 11.04
[01:37] <xixor> I'm assuming that the Super key + Tab is cycling through activities?
[01:54] <JMichaelX> xixor: apparently
[01:58] <xixor> JMichaelX: do you use activities?  I can't really get my head around them
[02:01] <xixor> I am trying to configure Super+Tab to be the alternative cycle through windows keystroke, but it keeps changing activities on me instead
[02:01] <JMichaelX> xixor: i have experimented with them some, but am in the same boat you are
[02:02] <xixor> I can't find where that keystroke is set
[02:04] <JMichaelX> xixor:  should be System Settings>Desktop Effects>All Effects>Cover Switch
[02:05] <xixor> I am trying to set the System Settings->window behaviour->Task switcher->Alternative
[02:05] <JMichaelX> ok, that does not seem to show any key binding settings
[02:05] <JMichaelX> ahh
[02:05] <xixor> when I try to set the keystroke for the alternative walk through windows to Super+Tab, it cannot, because super+tab is bound to switch activities
[02:06] <xixor> so I end up switching the activity instead of setting that keystroke.  I have gone through the global keyboard shortcuts, standard keyboard shotcut lists, I don't see where the switch activities keystroke is set
[02:07] <xixor> ah, I have a work around.  I deleted all the activities, and then I can re-assign that key.  It warns me that it is set to "Plasma Desktop Shell for action Next Activity"
[02:08] <JMichaelX> i would be surprised if more than 1% or so of KDE users ever make use of activities
[02:09] <xixor> I don't see what they do that workspaces cannot.  It seemed to have something to do with power settings... like you could slave your photoshop activity to set higher power settings, or something, I didn't pursue it
[02:09] <xixor> I'd really like to be able to have my second monitor be workspace independent
[02:11] <JMichaelX> i have tried to use 2 monitors on one system, and it was just never really what i wanted, but then maybe i was doing it wrong
[02:12] <xixor> I really like to have it for programming, where I can have an editor/IDE open fullscreen on one monitor, and documentation open in fullscreen on the other monitor
[02:13] <JMichaelX> xixor: yea, i can totally see that
[02:13] <xixor> I'd like to try having the ability to rotate the monitor as well, to show more text on the screen
[02:14] <xixor> http://hanschen.org/2011/02/04/activities-a-change-in-workflow/
[02:14] <xixor> activities actually seem like they could be useful
[02:14] <JMichaelX> xixor: i do that when i am trying to code (or learn to code, more exactly), but still with 2 machines, rather than one
[02:14] <john__> hello, can I ask a question about flash issues here?
[02:15] <xixor> john__: you can do anything you put your mind to
[02:15] <john__> lol ok, here goes :P
[02:15] <JMichaelX> john__: you should just ask... maybe someone will complain about it being off topic, maybe not
[02:15] <john__> howdy! i got an interesting question about flash performance: I'm using flash-aid on firefox, and I noticed that after a couple of hours on firefox, the videos start to stutter. This performance drop doesn't go away until I reboot...Here's where it gets interesting: Rekonq doesn't have this issue, so I downloaded Chromium to test if it is also immune to this problem, and from the clean install, it had the same stutter
[02:15] <john__>  as firefox (even at first launch of chromium, if firefox had started stuttering, then chromium will sutter from first launch too)
[02:15] <FloodBotK1> john__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:15] <john__> ouch i got owned by floodbot
[02:16] <john__> have you guys run into any similar issues?
[02:17] <john__> more importantly, I was hoping someone could tell my why rekonq might not experience the same problems, while chromium and firefox both get hit pretty hard byt this stutter
[02:18] <xixor> My solution for flash on linux has been to run a windows 7 VM in seamless mode
[02:19] <john__> lol tbh i would've done the same without flashaid
[02:19] <JMichaelX> john__: as you probably know, flash just sucks to begin with, and doubly so in linux.
[02:19] <xixor> JMichaelX: Hm....... now I am trying to get the super+tab key to go back to change activitiy!
[02:19] <JMichaelX> john__: which video driver do you use?
[02:22] <JMichaelX> for me, flash performance has also been varying between flash plugin versions, and i believe between versions of KDE
[02:23] <john__> well my laptop doesn't have discrete graphics, so i just got the stock intel hd3000 stuff
[02:23] <JMichaelX> well, that should still do fine
[02:24] <john__> the only thing thats getting me
[02:24] <john__> is why rekonq handles everything ok
[02:24] <john__> but not ff or chrome
[02:24] <JMichaelX> i believe there is, or has been, some sort of KDE bug related to flash performance...
[02:25] <john__> I guess i'll look around bugzilla to see if i can find it
[02:25] <john__> do you remember any of the bug details?
[02:25] <xixor> yo, I reassigned the SuperKey+Tab, so it no longer changes activities.  I'd like to reset the keyboard shortcut so Super+tab switches activity.  In Global keyboard shortcuts->KDE Acitivty Manager, there is no shortcut listed for switch activity.  Where do I set Plasma Desktop action Next Activity?
[02:25] <JMichaelX> does bugs.kde.org no longer have a most hated bugs list?
[02:25] <xixor> oops, meant that one for #kde
[02:42] <john__> sorry i had to leave for a sec, just walked in
[02:42] <john__> umm thanks for the info, JMichaelX
[03:07] <goddard> when watching videos on youtube my videos get displayed on the desktop even though the window is mimized
[03:07] <goddard> this is with firefox
[03:37] <proxinix> how do I reinstall gtk-qt-curve please I only have raleigh and oxygen i uninstalled my qtcurve b/c it wasn't showing up whatever where do I get another one please?
[03:51] <proxinix> got it sorry thanks - I had my repositories turned off
[06:41] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[06:49] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[08:14] <mega0wn3r> sup
[10:19] <Ceylon> I'm unable to use my (non-wifi) phone as a mobile broadband device because KDE keeps trying to access the camera. Any ideas?
[10:20] <Ceylon> Seems to work fine with nm-applet, though, so it's not a hardware incompatibility.
[10:20] <Ceylon> (the latter in Gnome)
[10:21] <XVampireX> something just happened
[10:21] <XVampireX> And it wasn't pretty
[10:33] <Hounddog_> i am trying to install sun-java6-jdk as my netbeans is darn slow... but every package seems to be broken...
[11:12] <atreliu> hy
[11:19] <sinthetek> heya, i'm trying to figure out how to get my lock screen to work in kubuntu precise netbook
[11:19] <jmut> hi
[11:20] <jmut> with latest kubuntu distribution upgrade. My notifications no more show me progress when I am copying files with dolphin and I cannot tell if files are copied or not
[11:20] <sinthetek> it seems to work fine if i manually run xscreensaver and xscreensaver-command...
[11:21] <kaddi> is there a server that works for the upgrade
[11:22] <kaddi> i've tried archive.ubuntu.com but that serves only with some 60kb/s and with that I'm never going to download those 2Gb of upgrades
[11:27] <obelus> kaddi, have you tried your local country mirror?
[11:27] <kaddi> yeah, that's what I was thinking of oding.. just thought I'd ask if you guy have another supersecret tip first :)
[11:28] <obelus> No real supersecret tip, just pick the mirror closest to you and it should work pretty well
[11:28] <obelus> I get somethingl ike 125KiB/s from archive.ubuntu.com, but I get 825-1800KiB/s from au.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <obelus> Depending on what else my network is doing
[11:29] <kaddi> hehe, yeh, my network won't go that high, but I usually get 600KiB/s
[11:29] <kaddi> testing atm and I'm getting betwen 300 and 600
[11:29] <obelus> Well if you can get 600 from your local country mirror it's way better than 60
[11:29] <kaddi> which is much better than what archive.ubuntu.com gave me
[11:29] <obelus> Are you upgrading to 12.04?
[11:29] <kaddi> yeah
[11:30] <kaddi> yes
[11:30] <obelus> :) enjoy
[11:30] <kaddi> why? :p
[11:30] <kaddi> is everything going to blow?:o
[11:30] <obelus> I upgrade my server to 12.04 the other day. I like that I have the new veresion of everything
[11:30] <obelus> No, no, I like 12.04
[11:30] <kaddi> phew :p
[11:30] <obelus> I don't like plasma-netbook, but i like most of it.
[11:31] <obelus> Though tbh, I think the changes in Unity were more signifigant than KDE
[11:31] <kaddi> ever since 2008 I've been a bit wary of upgrades
[11:31] <obelus> I really like HUD
[11:31] <kaddi> being an early adopter isn't always a good thing :p
[11:31] <obelus> Not always, but I've had 12.04 installed on my laptop since just barely after 11.10 came out
[11:31] <obelus> Nothing TOO major happened =p
[11:31] <kaddi> yay
[11:32] <obelus> No, seriously, you'll probably have no problems at all
[11:32] <obelus> anyway, I'm off to have lasagne
[11:32] <kaddi> i was happy when I could finally go back to normal releases and didn't have to run the alpha release just to keep it bootable
[11:32] <kaddi> lol
[11:32] <kaddi> ohhhhh
[11:32] <kaddi> i'll join you, be over in a second :O
[11:32] <obelus> Enjoy your precise pangolin
[11:32] <kaddi> will do :)
[11:37] <sinthetek> not seeing a service related to screensaver in my service manager... kscreensaver packages are installed...
[11:40] <sinthetek> although xscreensaver-command works, the lock button and key-combo for screen locking don't work
[11:40] <sinthetek> i guess i could manually get it working with laptop lid close by running a script...
[11:40] <sinthetek> from power profiles
[11:46] <alexei> hi
[12:03] <Daiz_> Anyone here know how to get the Build-essential apt on kubuntu 12.04 without an internet connection? It doesn't seems to be on my livecd, or atleast moun won't find it.
[12:41] <Trieste> Hi, I'm using Kubuntu 12.04, and when I log in, I get this bastard of an error: http://i.imgur.com/GP7Db.png (the whole message could never fit on my monitor, it's as long as the image, but only the part that was on my screen is visible) - any idea on how to fix this?
[12:46]  * kaddi is going to trieste soon :p
[12:46] <kaddi> have you tried clearing the package cashe and redownloading the flashplugin?
[12:46] <kaddi> is flash working?
[12:47] <Trieste> it is working, and I've tried reinstalling the package, though not removing the cache - how do I do that?
[12:47] <kaddi> do you get an error message when you try to install it?
[12:49] <Trieste> no, I don't, just this one on start-up
[12:49] <kaddi> ok, can you try uninstalling it and see if the error message on reboot stops?
[12:49] <kaddi> sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer
[12:51] <Trieste> alright, give me a second :)
[12:51] <kaddi> sure
[13:01] <Trieste> alright, rebooting, brb :)
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:08] <Trieste> well, it does actually
[13:08] <Trieste> that's strange
[13:16] <mehlo> hello
[13:16] <Trieste> and of course, flash doesn't work now
[13:17] <drostie> Any news yet on the future of Kubuntu and where it will be decided? Or a Newt Gingrich-y "I'd like to announce that I'm going to announce something later"...?
[13:17] <mehlo> could someone pls help me with upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10? doing alternate upgrade which fails "Could not calculate the upgrade"
[13:19] <mehlo> my 2nd upgrade starting to be the same nightmare the first one (10.10->11.04) was
[13:28] <mehlo> pleeeeease
[13:32] <kaddi> Trieste: sorry I got distracted
[13:32] <kaddi> i think flashplayer-installer is a metapackage, that is nolonger used
[13:32] <kaddi> you don't need it to install flash
[13:33] <Trieste> nevertheless, the error didn't disappear and flash now doesn't work :\
[13:33] <kaddi> at least I think
[13:33] <kaddi> oh
[13:33] <kaddi> i thought it had disappeared
[13:34] <kaddi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/994584 there's a bug report for it
[13:35] <kaddi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/977178
[13:35] <kaddi> this one suggests sudo apt-get --reinstall install flashplugin-installer
[13:36] <kaddi> which links back to this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/982684
[13:37] <kaddi> trieste maybe try this solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11914451
[13:37] <kaddi> sudo rm /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/data-downloads-failed
[13:37] <kaddi> sudo rm /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/data-downloads-failed-permanently
[13:38] <kaddi> rather than deleting them, I would rename them though
[13:39] <obelus> Hey there. How did your update go, kaddi?
[13:39] <kaddi> it's still on going :p
[13:39] <kaddi> download finished now at least
[13:39] <kaddi> lol
[13:39] <kaddi> so we're in the configuring phase
[13:40] <obelus> OH FUN. Some of your packages are already from precise then lol
[13:40] <kaddi> ^^
[13:40] <mehlo> at least you're having some progress
[13:40] <kaddi> soon i will start getting weird error messages :p
[13:40] <kaddi> that can be fixed by a simple reboot at the end of the upgrade, just as in windows \o/
[13:40] <kaddi> ;)
[13:41] <obelus> mehlo, have you tried downloading the alternate install CD for the distribution that you're upgrading too?
[13:42] <mehlo> obelus: yeah, i'm trying that one, 11.10 alternate amd64
[13:42] <obelus> I know this is probably a dumb question but just to be sure, you are currently running 11.04 amd64, right?
[13:42] <mehlo> at first it stopped with "package 'skype' designated for removal, but is on removal blacklist"
[13:43] <obelus> You possibly pinned it at some point
[13:43] <mehlo> so i removed skype (i'll get it back later) and now i only have "Resolve generated breaks"
[13:43] <kaddi> dpkg: warning: files list file for package `libasound2-plugins:i386' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[13:43] <kaddi> is that something to worry about?
[13:44] <obelus> Probably not, no. Not completely sure though
[13:44] <obelus> is the upgrade currently doing anything, mehlo?
[13:44] <mehlo> obelus: i do have 11.04 amd64, upgrading from 10.10 was a process not to be forgotten easily :-)
[13:44] <kaddi> hehehe
[13:45] <mehlo> obelus: no, failed while setting new st (feeds or so) and quit
[13:45] <obelus> Strange, I've never had much trouble upgrading. Not that I've done it on Kubuntu, but it's still basically Ubuntu
[13:45] <obelus> mehlo: try apt-get -f install
[13:46] <mehlo> obelus: i had a nightmare doing alternate upgrade 10.10->11.04 it said you don't need an internet connection to upgrade but turned out you do need
[13:46] <kaddi> it's kde 4.7 that is installed?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> drostie, kubuntu support is now in the hands of Blue Systems who also hired one of the canonical devs to maintain and support it , afaik
[13:47] <mehlo> obelus: will that try to download the whole distro?
[13:47] <kaddi> who or what is Blue Systems?
[13:47] <drostie> BluesKaj: thanks. are we giving up the name "kubuntu"?
[13:47] <obelus> mehlo: That will try to fix any packages in a broken state
[13:47] <mehlo> obelus: ok, trying
[13:48] <BluesKaj> drostie, canonical still owns the "kubuntu" trademark , so the name will probly be changed some time down the roed , not exactly sure but that's what i heard
[13:49] <drostie> kaddi: basically they are (apparently?) something like Canonical but they aren't selling merch yet. http://blue-systems.com/ says they've been helping out Netrunner and Mint KDE before now.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> right
[13:49] <kaddi> so kubuntu and ubuntu are splitting ways?
[13:49] <mehlo> obelus: found some packages no longer required, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, 1 not upgraded
[13:50] <obelus> mehlo: try apt-get dist-upgrade to get that package upgraded. It's probably not causing problems but it won't hurt either
[13:51] <BluesKaj> look that way, whether kubuntu as we know it will still use the ubuntu core is supposedly not in question , but i fear kubuntu may become just another debian based distro , when canonical decides to drop any vestiges of KDE in it's stable.
[13:52] <kaddi> :/
[13:52] <kaddi> what happens to the other spin offs: edubuntu, xubuntu, etc.. are they also on the line?
[13:52] <Tm_T> that's BluesKaj's view on this only
[13:52] <BluesKaj> that's my fear ..I haven't anyone else say that
[13:52] <Tm_T> kaddi: no, I don't see anything changing from canonical's or ubuntu's side
[13:52] <BluesKaj> heard
[13:52] <mehlo> obelus: that one not upgraded seems to be kdevelop, i'll try to remove it
[13:53] <Tm_T> kaddi: so Kubuntu is what it is now, an official Ubuntu flavour
[13:54] <kaddi> i'm gonna have to abort the upgrade. My konversation has changed and looks completely different now :o
[13:54] <kaddi> i can't have that :p
[13:54] <Tm_T> kaddi: huh?
[13:54] <kaddi> Tm_T so what do you say will happen to kubuntu in the next few years?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> kaddi, what /
[13:55] <kaddi> that wasn't supposed to go here, sorry
[13:55] <obelus> Kaddi: Did it change while it's running? I'd guess it's probably not permanent. Also, please don't abort an upgrade while it's configuring packages.
[13:55] <mehlo> obelus: got somewhere! thanks a lot :-)
[13:55] <obelus> mehlo: It's going further now? Awesome
[13:55] <kaddi> i was joking around with someone that change on PC always scares me, and was using that change as an examlpe
[13:56] <kaddi> and yes, it changed from black with a white loudspeaker to a clear grey with a dark grey loud speaker
[13:56] <Tm_T> kaddi: what we (Kubuntu) decide to happen, most likely nothing major towards Ubuntu or Canonical
[13:56] <obelus> Also, while I'm here, anyone know how to sort a list of IP addresses numerically? neither sort -n or sort -d are working
[13:56] <mehlo> obelus: yeah i got to "Do you want to start upgrade" so i'll try and see. thanks a lot for now
[13:58] <obelus> Actually, strike that, I was reading it wrong, was a difference earlier in the number
[13:58] <kaddi> :)
[13:59] <mehlo> alternate cdrom upgrade still fetching 1000 files from the internet, arrrrgh... 2 more hours, my baby won't sleep that long :-(
[14:00] <obelus> mehlo, packages that  you've installed that aren't on the CD need to be fetched from the internet, also I believe if you don't have the internet on it will use the CD for everything possible, rather than fetching the latest version. Haven't used alternate upgrade in a while though. My last install was with debootstrap lol
[14:02] <mehlo> obelus: i specifically said i don't want the latest version from the internet (umts signal isn't that great in this middle of nowhere). shame on me, do i really need all those things installed? :-)
[14:02] <obelus> So I've got a list of about 12 IPs that my school uses lol.
[14:02] <kaddi> can i ask you how long the upgrade took for you?
[14:03] <kaddi> i feel the installing is taking unusually long this time
[14:03] <obelus> Also, mehlo, not sure the, except to say that any packages that AREN'T on the CD will likely need to be downloaded, and anything they depend on will also probably be updated, etc etc.
[14:03] <obelus> kaddi, it takes a long time to configure all those packages
[14:04] <obelus> kaddi: mine took a long time running in debootstrap, but I'm not sure how long, I did other things while I waited. It'd likely be longer than your upgrade though. Debootstrap only installs a bare minimal system so even when it was done I had to install a tonne of packages
[14:04] <mehlo> obelus: yeah, that's what i've been pointing at with why do i always install something :-)
[14:05] <kaddi> it's been over an hour now, that's why I was asking.. last upgrades were done more quickly
[14:07] <obelus> kaddi: is it still configuring packages? And still moving, not stuck on one?
[14:07] <kaddi> yeah, it's still moving which is why i'mnot overly ocncerned
[14:07] <kaddi> but it sure is taking it's long time.. i'm starting to wonderi fit's caught in a loop somewhere
[14:07] <obelus> kaddi: Unless it stops on a trivial package for a long time, I'd say it's fine
[14:07] <obelus> Remember, there are an awful lot of packages to configure
[14:08] <kaddi> yeah, true
[14:08] <mehlo> not frightened as long as it's mimicking work?
[14:08] <obelus> Just let it do its thing, I've never seen apt get stuck in a loop where it continues to look like its working on new packages but is repeating
[14:09] <kaddi> exactly, mehlo :D
[14:09] <mehlo> kaddi: that works on my boss at times as well :-)
[14:09] <kaddi> i was about to say that it seems to work for me, so it should be working for my PC too :p
[14:10] <mehlo> :-D
[14:12] <mehlo> 21 days 14 hours remaing. this should make it to a hall of fame or something :-)
[14:12] <kaddi> lol
[14:13] <kaddi> and i was complaining about 6h earlier
[14:13] <BluesKaj> mehlo, on dialup ?
[14:14] <mehlo> :-) downloading speed 404 bytes/s. luckily for a few seconds only. strange how a single coca cola glass mug can create such interference
[14:14] <XVampireX> folks, here's a good question
[14:14] <XVampireX> I need a plugin to watch http://internet-tv.appspot.com/
[14:15] <XVampireX> back on ubuntu it was done by the player... uhm whatever it was >_<
[14:15] <mehlo> BluesKaj: i have that feeling at times :-) umts, hsdpa, lots of lags
[14:15] <kaddi> aren't those just youtube vides?
[14:16] <mehlo> BluesKaj: also, unusually windy today
[14:16] <XVampireX> kaddi: No
[14:17] <XVampireX> it uses the x-ms-wmp
[14:17] <XVampireX> kaffeine maybe eh
[14:17] <kaddi> vlc should be able to play whatever it is :P
[14:18] <XVampireX> Well I've got vlc 2 installed
[14:18] <XVampireX> I think
[14:18] <XVampireX> Yeah
[14:18] <XVampireX> not sure it has a plugin though
[14:20] <sobczyk> hi, does the opensource radeon driver has power saving features?
[14:20] <kaddi> bbiab
[14:20] <sobczyk> I'm running kde 12.04 and my card in laptop generates lots of heat
[14:21] <XVampireX> kaddi: strange :P
[14:22] <BluesKaj> XVampireX, some of those channels use flash and other don't , whatever they are
[14:44] <mehlo> ok, have other things to attend to, thanks and have a nice day everyone
[14:49] <adarshajoisa> any good swf players for my kubunut 12.04?
[14:49] <adarshajoisa> *kubuntu
[15:03] <kaddi> i finished installing :D
[15:10] <kaddi> the icons have all changed to be grey so as to have a more homogenous system tray i guess
[15:10] <kaddi> well all except kopete apparently :P
[16:20] <GH0> I am have recently been having some issues when trying to connect to samba shares in kde. I tend to get Timeout on workgroup, when trying to lookup new servers in the workgroup.
[16:25] <GH0> If I use smbclient I can connect and see what shares are listed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/985684/ but if I use dolphin, I am unable to connect to it.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> GH0, I assume they are "windows" shares since you're using samba, also have you used the "Add Network Folder" option to connect to the shares ?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> GH0, connecting to android would be best with secure shell (ssh) option rather than samba or smb
[16:36] <GH0> No these are samba shares using the Android Samba App. I have not used the Add Network Folder
[16:38] <BluesKaj> odd tho that android is a linux OS that you would use an app meant for connectiong to windows shares
[16:38] <GH0> The app is meant to give android the ability to host shares using samba implementing it into android.
[16:39] <GH0> It doesn't do it natively, you have to have root and that application to serve shares.
[16:41] <BluesKaj> GH0, yes , but can't you use secure shell method to access those shares ..I'm sure samba android is meant to host shares that windows pcs can access, not linux.
[16:45] <qbit> in lieue of any other auth configs set up, one might use smbpasswd to add user accounts/passwords to samba, then in kde you would config the same user/password combo in systemsettings
[16:46] <qbit> I usually have better luck with the smb:// kio in dolphin rather than browsing networrk:// or other such
[16:54] <BluesKaj> qbit, perhaps you should use his nick.
[16:55] <qbit> oh - OK
[16:55] <qbit> didn't think of it when I typed
[16:55] <qbit> but you're right
[16:57] <BluesKaj> qbit, I still think android samba is for access from a windows pc and ssh would be a better way '
[16:57] <BluesKaj> using the add network folder method
[16:58] <qbit> BluesKaj: I agree, and I've never done smb sharing from Android either, only have experience with servers
[16:59] <BluesKaj> I think alot of ppl with andoids don'y realize it's alinux OS
[17:00] <BluesKaj> made more complicated in the presence of windows
[17:03] <andrey_> how to install numpy for python3.2? Kubuntu   can u helped me?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> andrey_, python3-numpy ? if so just use your packagaemanager or ,open a terminal , sudo apt-get install python3-numpy
[17:11] <andrey_> no search
[17:12] <andrey_> *finds no
[17:13] <andrey_> In this and the problem .. I need to put numpy, scipy and pyRO
[17:13] <qbit> on my 12.04 here Muon shows my default installed Python to be 2.7, although it shows Python3 amd python3-numpy as available
[17:14] <andrey_> my  11.04
[17:14] <BluesKaj> andrey_, what do you mean no search ?
[17:15] <andrey_> python3-numpy , python3-scipy
[17:15] <qbit> andrey_: don't know if python3 is avaliable for 11.04 or not - stopped using 11.04 like a year ago
[17:16] <andrey_> how do you know the version of Kubuntu?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> andrey_, lsb_release -a
[17:17] <BluesKaj> !ua | andrey_
[17:17] <andrey_> Description:    Ubuntu 11.10
[17:17] <andrey_> Release:        11.10
[17:17] <andrey_> Codename:       oneiric
[17:18] <andrey_> how to upgrade to 12,04?
[17:19] <andrey_> or at least one muon to 12. 04 upgrade?
[17:19] <qbit> these are what is available for Natty: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+search?text=python3
[17:19] <BluesKaj> andrey , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , then , sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:22] <qbit> andrey_: and while there is a numpy for the old Python there is no numpy3 packages for the python3 in Natty, so if you can possibly get your system upgraded to 12.04 you'll get what you want
[17:23] <andrey_> ok
[17:31] <andrey_> so everyone understands this, and how to install pyRO
[17:34] <andrey_> for python 3/2
[17:34] <andrey_> 3.2* pyRo
[17:39] <PJK> Hey guys, anyone running the Kubuntu 12.10 Daily Build yet?
[17:40] <sky100> i want to install kubuntu alongwith xp .. can any 1 help me pls
[17:40] <ikonia> PJK: why ?
[17:40] <ikonia> sky100: sure
[17:40] <Resistance> sky100:  install XP first, giving it half the drive to use
[17:40] <Resistance> sky100:  secondly install ubuntu alongisde that
[17:41] <Resistance> sky100:  you might need to do some nifty partitioning work first, but installing XP first, then installing Ubuntu alongisde that is the generally accepted recommended method
[17:41] <sky100> i have 160 gb HDD with 3 paritions
[17:41] <sky100> ok  Resistance
[17:41] <Resistance> sky100:  wait a sec
[17:41] <Resistance> sky100:  what's on those partitions already, because installing *might* purge them
[17:42] <sky100> just a min Resistance
[17:42] <sky100> yep i know it might be somewhat tricky to get partitioned
[17:45] <PJK> ikonia: Well, because I'm having an annoying issue (screen flickering) with the 3.2 Kernel. I just tried the 12.10 Daily Build from a USB drive and the issue seems to no longer exist, so I want to switch to 12.10. I understand it's in Alpha stages right now, which is why I wanted to get some feedback. My issue thread is here: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?58588-Annoying-Screen-Flickering-with-Intel-GM45-Chipset
[17:45] <sky100> i have 40 Gb as C , D=29Gb with 7 gb free, I=47Gb =free 47 gb , & 32 Gb is unallocated
[17:45] <sky100> Resistance,
[17:46] <Resistance> sky100:  do you already have WinXP isntalled?
[17:46] <sky100> yes
[17:46] <Resistance> ah, then just download the Kubuntu installer image, burn that to a CD (or install to a USB using unetbootin)
[17:47] <Resistance> then tell Kubuntu to use the 32GB unallocated space
[17:47] <Resistance> ahm...
[17:47] <Resistance> one small problem, though...
[17:47] <Resistance> you will have to do some advanced formatting to get swap space if you want it
[17:47] <Resistance> what's the RAM on your system?
[17:47] <sky100> its 1.25 GB
[17:56] <ikonia> PJK: it's not in alpha stages
[17:56] <ikonia> it's way before that
[18:00] <Darkwing> bug: 998630
[18:00] <Darkwing> Not here either?
[18:00] <PJK> ikonia: Is there any way to use an older or newer kernel in Kubuntu 12.04?
[18:02] <Resistance> LP Bug 998630
[18:02] <PJK> Currently, my 12.04 installation is using "Linux 3.2.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 25 08:43:22 UTC 2012"
[18:03] <Resistance> Darkwing:  just say Bug and the number, it'll give you the bug info ;P
[18:03] <Resistance> LP bug for Launchpad, Debian bug for debian, etc.
[18:04] <Darkwing> Yeah, figured that out Resistance thanks.
[18:04] <Darkwing> as long as there is no :
[18:04] <Resistance> mhm
[18:15] <yofel> PJK: you can select kernels from the grub menu, hold left shift pressed on boot to get there
[18:16] <_Richter_> hy guys
[18:19] <GH0> Are there any guides on how to use Ubuntu as a PXE Server?
[18:19] <Resistance> !pxe | GH0
[18:19] <Resistance> bleh
[18:20] <Resistance> there should be a factoid on this!  !!!
[18:23] <GH0> Resistance, assuming that this should do fairly well? http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_pxe_install_server
[18:23] <Resistance> GH0:  i wouldnt use that
[18:24] <Resistance> since its for 6.10
[18:24] <Resistance> not a recent release :P
[18:24] <GH0> Yeah, searching through several things, I don't see anything for 10.+
[18:24] <Resistance> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Desktop/PXE
[18:24] <Resistance> this one's for server: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[18:24] <Resistance> i know PXE works for servers
[18:24] <Resistance> i dont know if it works for Desktops
[18:26] <M4usr> yello?
[18:26] <Resistance> hiya, M4usr
[18:27] <GH0> Resistance, well, I am trying to find something similar to Windows Deployment services. As of right now, I am limited to only Windows Images, however, having messed with Ghost and Acronis for a full day to try to get it to recognize network drivers, I have given up and would prefer to try Clonezilla over a PXE network.
[18:27] <GH0> Downside to that is that it doesn't support wim images, and Server 2008 R2 doesn't support RIS.
[18:28] <Resistance> GH0:  wait, you want this for... windows images?
[18:28] <GH0> I want this to be able to install Operating Systems, and use LiveCD's over the network.
[18:44] <||arifaX> GH0: ..over the network means you will always depend on the network drivers. There are some good 3COM drivers that nearly work for all PXE enabled network cards, but after booting from network the booted OS needs its own drivers which you already found out is a hassle!
[18:48] <GH0> Well, thats the thing. When I was messing with the Ghost Solutions Suite, it has a pre-configured driver package that does have 3com drivers in them. Even then, my NIC was still not getting an IP address to connect with. Which is why I tried implementing my own, which ended up in a bigger hassle, so I am trying tof ind the best way to configure some form of bootable media to boot over the network into Ghost/Acronis/Clonezilla or somethi
[18:48] <GH0> ng that will let me copy or backup the drive over a network.
[18:54] <joey_> i installed 11.10 on my friends computer, and it worked nicely, but he saw my 12.04, and wanted it instead(i had to get the 386 version), so I installed it over his 11.10(separate / and /home). however, the package management wont allow me to even load it, coming up with the error of "The package system could not be initialized, your configuration may be
[18:54] <joey_> broken" with a details of
[18:54] <joey_> "Encountered a section with no Package: header" any ideas?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> joey_, open the sources.list , and check that it has deb enties
[19:06] <BluesKaj> entries
[19:20] <Wizard> Hi.
[19:34] <ikonia> PJK: why do you want to use a different kernel ?
[19:37] <PJK> ikonia: screen flickering issue
[19:37] <PJK> with current kernel
[19:38] <ikonia> how do you know it's kernel related ?
[19:39] <PJK> Man I don't fuckin get this
[19:39] <PJK> I just installed 3.3.4 Kernel in 12.04
[19:40] <ikonia> PJK: no need for the language
[19:40] <ikonia> PJK: if you can't communicated without swearing - don't try
[19:40] <PJK> sorry just super pissed
[19:40] <ikonia> PJK: again, no need for the language
[19:40] <ikonia> PJK: why are you messing with the kernel ?
[19:40] <PJK> If you can't spell why do you try
[19:40] <PJK> Sorry
[19:40] <PJK> Like I said, I'm pissed.
[19:41] <PJK> Really dude?
[19:41] <ikonia> PJK: yes.
[19:41] <PJK> Why? Because I said you can't spell?
[19:41] <BluesKaj> PJ expressing you frustration and anger , isn't going to help , ahve you mage sure you're using the right graphics driver
[19:42] <ikonia> BluesKaj: yes, I suspect it ws more related to the nvidia component than the kernel,
[19:42] <ikonia> hence why I was querying on the kernel
[19:42] <BluesKaj> my spelling isn't good either , but I think you got the meaning
[19:43] <ikonia> BluesKaj: simple typo......I think it was a clear message
[19:45] <BluesKaj> that wasn't relly necessary ikonia , I've seen worse behaviour handled and the problem eventually solved here
[19:45] <ikonia> BluesKaj: thanks for your opinion
[19:46] <BluesKaj> ikonia, you're welcome  :)
[19:51] <BluesKaj> ikonia, btw , i think grub migrated or was moved to the 2nd drive , after I installed 12.10 on it , but it still lists the main drive as 'sda' in grub , altho the second drive is listed as the first choice in the menu
[19:52] <ikonia> is it possible grub has always been on that drive and it is (at a bios level) actually /dev/sda ?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> no
[19:52] <ikonia> I wonder what's happened there then
[19:53] <BluesKaj> I just installed that drive in the pc  last week , then put kubuntu 12.10 on it
[19:54] <ikonia> do you have a devices.list (not sure of grub2 still uses that)
[19:55] <ikonia> it should be in /boot if it's there
[19:56] <BluesKaj> http://paste.kde.org/477284/
[19:59] <ikonia> BluesKaj: interesting, why does it take the id /dev/sdg
[20:00] <BluesKaj> ikonia, good question  ..have no clue
[20:01] <BluesKaj> maybe due to the other devices like usb and firewire are assigned the other letters between b and f
 PJK: why are you messing with the kernel ?
 I'm not interested in reading your thread
[20:02] <ikonia> BluesKaj: yeah, I guess that's reasonable
[20:02] <PJK> Which one is it?
[20:02] <ikonia> PJK: I asked you why you are messing with your kernel - I want an answer, not a massive thread.
[20:02] <ikonia> PJK: and you didn't say that thread contained any relevence just explained why you where angry
[20:03] <ikonia> to which I'm not interested in why you are angry, I'm interested in inforamtion that may help get you a resolution
[20:03] <PJK> ikonia: You could've just read the title which says "Annoying Screen Flickering with Intel GM45 Chipset"
[20:03] <PJK> But anyway
[20:03] <PJK> Yeah, screen flickering
[20:03] <ikonia> I'm not interested in reading a thread
[20:03] <ikonia> and I know you've got screen flickering
[20:04] <PJK> Right
[20:04] <PJK> So that's exactly why I'm trying a newer kernel version.
[20:04] <BluesKaj> PJK, laptop?
[20:04] <PJK> Yes.
[20:05] <ikonia> why are you messing with the kernel
[20:05] <ikonia> what makes you think it's a kernel problem
[20:10] <BluesKaj>  ikonia , i think this is why PJK thinks it's the kernel ,  http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?58548-Screen-freezes-on-Kubuntu-12-04/page2
[20:11] <BluesKaj> scroll down to Mr Bumpy
[20:11] <ikonia> but didn't PJK say he had nvidia ?
[20:11] <qbit> I don't run Intel video, but from what little I've read it's Intel driver problem. Updating a kernel is going to require the video drivers recompiled against the newer kernel sources
[20:12] <qbit> and the newest Intel driver code is still in repos and the only way you're going to get it is to pull it from git and build it yourself
[20:14] <qbit> so even if the drm2 stuff is going into kernel 3.4 that newer intel video driver code plus probably Mesa will need to be pulled from it's git repo and built manually to match the 3.4 kernel
[20:17]  * BluesKaj quotes from PJK post ," Annoying Screen Flickering with Intel GM45 Chipset"
[20:17] <qbit> in other words just installing a 3.4 kernel without  changing the video drivers to match is just a recipe for disaster
[20:18] <BluesKaj> anyway .. I have get the BBQ on ...Mother's Day here , and all that ...BBL
[20:18] <BluesKaj> have to
[20:19] <qbit> defintiely  :-)
[20:20] <PJK> well I deleted all VESA driver files
[20:20] <PJK> according to SteveRiley's instructions in the thread
[20:20] <PJK> plus Im using Xedgers repo
[20:20] <PJK> anyway, i gotta run, thanks for the info guys, Ill be back in like hour and a half or so
[21:26] <jaysonr> set /theme greenbox
[21:27] <simplew> im running 64bits, and i have libkactivities6 installed, how do i now install libkactivities6 32bits?
[21:29] <PJK> Hey qbit, are you still around?
[21:48] <Jhonny> jon