[05:09] hi all [05:10] Hiya bradzo [05:11] hi benonsoftware ! [05:11] i thought i'd get in early so i didn't forget! [06:14] i'm going to upgrade from 10.10 desktop to 11.04 desktop tonight - is it interactive? can I pre-answer some questions before I go to bed? [08:55] Anyone here proficient with wubi? [08:56] head_victim: Depends [08:57] Well I have a drive with Ubuntu on it that was installed via wubi (which I was only told was done that way after removing it from a PC and rewriting an MBR) that when connected to another Ubuntu pc won't mount [09:01] head_victim: so you wiped it then you found out it was wbubi? [09:02] Nah it was incorrectly updated and had piles of dependency errors as well as other problems. [09:03] And I was told the new computer was ready anyway so after spending a day trying to resolve the upgrade issues I figured I'd just unplug it and plug it into the new pc and rsync /home [09:03] The problem is, when I plug it into the new PC it shows up as unallocated and won't mount [09:04] head_victim: Eww, sounds kinda messy. I don't hink I would be of any help for that issue [09:04] s/hink/think/ [09:05] * benonsoftware may or may not be able to make the meeting tonight [09:09] Bummer, I see jaddi make a fb thingy for it [09:09] I wonder if sagaci will be around [09:11] hi all [09:11] Gday Tibor [09:11] Hiya Tibor [09:13] I'm new to this, so I will try to follow along [09:15] * md_5 hopes to be at the meeting [09:20] +999999999999999999999999999999999999+ [09:20] Oops, sorry about that [09:22] Heh [09:23] Well if anyone has anything interest to add to the agenda feel free [09:23] I'm still scratching my head about what to do with a wubi install ;) [09:25] I actually have had a thought for anyone hosting release partys or anything like that [09:26] head_victim sort of like your giveaway, I can get my hands on some O'Reilley ebook vouchers so if people want to give them away at a evetnt contact me [09:27] Are they decent vouchers or just the ones you can get online? [09:27] head_victim: I believe for free books but I can check [09:27] * benonsoftware sends a email off to check now [09:38] there be a meeting tonight? [09:38] ikt: Yes [09:38] Team Meeting: Sun 13/05/2012 @ 2000 AEST (GMT+10) [09:45] sweet [09:58] So who's around [09:58] me ;s [09:58] (not that I matter) :P [09:58] o/ [09:58] md_5: we all matter :) [09:59] The meetings are best when we have as much input from as many people as possible [09:59] hi head_victim ! I'm here [09:59] Gday bradzo [09:59] I am here head_victim [09:59] Evening jaddi27 [09:59] md_5: of course you matter [09:59] jaddi27: Wasn't there a membership meeting? [10:00] benonsoftware: quorum wasn't achieved. [10:00] apologies for not being around much recently - lots of uni work to do [10:00] Oh :( [10:00] jaddi27: no worries, we're all volunteers [10:00] Well there is no sagaci tonight, so I will be running the meeting [10:00] everyone ready? [10:00] Indeed :) [10:01] I wasn't sure where sagaci would be in his program [10:01] * benonsoftware is ready [10:01] #startmeeting [10:01] Meeting started Sun May 13 10:01:25 2012 UTC. The chair is jaddi27. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [10:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [10:01] #meetingtopic Ubuntu-AU May 2012 Team Meeting [10:01] uh ok [10:01] #chair head_victim [10:01] Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 [10:02] Welcome everyone to the May 2012 Team meeting [10:02] tnanks Joell [10:02] Please say something during the meeting to record your attendance [10:02] let me try again - Thanks Joel. [10:02] o/ :P [10:02] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/389/detail/ [10:02] hello! [10:03] See that page for the agenda [10:03] Not much on it [10:03] bradzo, Welcome to the meeting [10:03] benonsoftware, No, a fairly short one tonight [10:03] Yep [10:03] * benonsoftware tries and remembers what happened in March [10:03] #topic Recap of April/March Meetings [10:03] No April meeting [10:04] It was supposed to be on Good Friday :) [10:04] Well, where's a link to the team report, I saw it was updated [10:04] There did not end up being an April meeting due to it being on the Easter weekend (or very close to it) [10:04] I missed the actual facetoface at Kedron Park Hotel much to my dismay. [10:04] bradzo: that's ok, we'll be having another more techy meeting in a few months [10:04] excellent! [10:05] April team report can be found at: [10:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/11/April [10:05] oops, wrong april [10:05] * benonsoftware has too leave shortly [10:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/12/April [10:06] Yes, that is it [10:06] Evening gorilla [10:06] Hi head_victim [10:06] Hiya gorilla [10:06] Going back to the March meeting [10:06] http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-03-11-10.00.html [10:07] lets see [10:07] I had an action item and I failed [10:07] The only point of action was: [10:07] head_victim to email the ML about offering Ubuntu support to manufacturers [10:07] However, it was not something that was on a time limit, and can easily be done at any time [10:07] ML .... ? [10:08] Yep, not the end of the world. [10:08] #action head_victim to attempt to remember to kick off a ML thread about offering support contact to manufacturers. [10:08] ACTION: head_victim to attempt to remember to kick off a ML thread about offering support contact to manufacturers. [10:08] md_5: Mailing Lists [10:08] md_5: ML = Mailing list. [10:08] ./stupid [10:08] If anyone else starts it before me I won't be upset but I'll try to remember [10:08] head_victim: We'll bring it up next month if not :-P [10:09] md_5: not at all, using shorthand that isn't familiar is a great way to ostracise newer members. If anything isn't making sense please ask. [10:09] We do seem to be picking up new members, which is certainly good to see [10:09] * gorilla agrees wholeheartedly with head_victim [10:10] Unless there is anything else for the recap, I think we shall move on to the next topic [10:10] #topic UDS Roundup [10:11] head_victim, I'll let you take this one [10:11] UDS: http://uds.ubuntu.com/ [10:11] Did anyone catch any of the remote sessions? [10:11] I did :P [10:11] Anything to share? [10:11] for those that are not aware... what's UDS? [10:12] The Ubuntu Developer Summit [10:12] jaddi27: thanks. [10:12] The Ubuntu YOuth session in my mind was good (I believe sagaci was there in person) and heaps of progress will be made with it in the next few months [10:12] gorilla: good point [10:12] Basically a week of sessions related to the development of Ubuntu, especially around planning for the next version [10:13] The UDS is held once a release (very early in the cycle) to set goals and plans for the next release. [10:13] Audio of it all is at http://audio.ubuntu.com [10:13] sagaci was at UDS this year, but would be on a plane at the moment from memory [10:13] Evening dingus [10:13] hi dingus [10:13] Welcome to the meeting dingus [10:13] sure thing head_victim [10:14] Would like to see a brief "report" from sagaci.. sounds interesting. [10:14] (was afk for a few min) [10:15] I think he should give a report at the next meeting - he was definitely very excited about it [10:15] Sounds like he had a bunch of fun [10:15] Yeah [10:16] Due to one of the sessions sagaci attended, he will be running a session to work on the Ubuntu Manual project next weekend [10:16] Details are at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1772/detail/ [10:16] * benonsoftware was actually signed up to crew at the UDS [10:17] * benonsoftware shall attend that [10:17] I'd encourage anyone vaguely interested in contributing but don't konw where to start to come along to that and just see what it's about [10:17] It requires no special skills from what I understand. [10:18] * benonsoftware is signed up to do Index and Glossary [10:18] im away that weekend [10:18] I think it will just be reading what is already there, and helping to improve the manual for Precise [10:18] md_5: It'll happen again, one weekend will not be enough :-) [10:20] Something that some people would find interesting from UDS: EA gave a talk about gaming on Ubuntu [10:20] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/05/ea-delivers-talk-at-ubuntu-developer-summit/ [10:20] i might be able to attend next sat 14:00 - 16:00 - how does it work? [10:20] bradzo, Come online here to #ubuntu-au, and sagaci will guide everyone in what he would like to do [10:21] Sounds good [10:21] ok - i'll add it to my diary :) [10:22] And a brief summary of development goals for the q-cycle (what will become Ubuntu 12.10) - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/05/uds-q-summary-bye-bye-unity-2d-hello-gnome-shell-spin/ [10:22] just reading a recap 12.10 looks like it will be sweet [10:22] sorry.. connection dropped out. [10:23] Well feel free to write stories for ubuntu.org.au for these projects [10:23] As long as they're Ubuntu related and being carried out by Australians it's all good news. === gorilla_ is now known as gorilla [10:24] Anything else to add to the UDS discussion tonight? [10:24] Doesn't look like it, so moving on to the next topic [10:24] sorry Joel, no [10:25] Sounds good :) [10:25] #topic Release Party Catch Ups [10:25] head_victim, go ahead [10:25] Mainly just to point out how slack I am [10:26] Again, round ups of the events should be posted to ubuntu.org.au so I was going to call for volunteers from each event to write up a litte blurb [10:26] Not too long and if you have photos attaching or linking them would be great. [10:26] * benonsoftware has to leave [10:26] Night all [10:26] But from what I understand there was one in Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide. Did I miss any? [10:26] Night benonsoftware [10:27] bye benonsoftware [10:27] yeah no melbourne [10:27] * gorilla is no longer in Melbourne which doesn't help the situation. [10:28] i'd like to put my hand up to bring Ubuntu to people in the Forest Lake QLD area. So if anyone is interested.... [10:28] Well for the next release I encourage you all you think about getting together, even if it's just 3 - 5 people and a coffee/beer it's still a good start. [10:28] bradzo: great, in Brisbane we'll be holding a technical get together in a few months as well [10:28] Listen out for it on the mailing list [10:29] Forest Lake sounds good nice and close [10:29] Well when the polls go out for when/where make your voice heard and join in :) [10:29] As a team we're awesome at online events, less so at real world ones. [10:29] head_victim, bradzo - Was the next Brisbane technical meeting was going to be held in the city again, or somewhere like Garden City? I can't remember where was decided (or if it was properly set) [10:29] So was anyone at any of the release parties with anything to add? [10:30] head_victim: outside is scary! :-P [10:30] jaddi27: more suburban I believe, somewhere with parking [10:30] yes, I thought that was it [10:30] we can do it at my place - big screen data projector, wifi access... big outdoor area, swimming pool. [10:31] even if not members of public, would still like to invite bris bods over for an afternoon of pizza and beer... :) [10:32] hi Tibor - you're most welcome. [10:32] Thanks:) [10:32] #action someone to start talking about tech get togethers in a few months on the mailing list [10:32] ACTION: someone to start talking about tech get togethers in a few months on the mailing list [10:33] probably not in the next few weeks etc - too bloody cold for a swim, but there you go! [10:33] I heard the Sydney release party went well , how was the Adelaide one? [10:33] That's what I'd like to know as well :P [10:34] head_victim, I second that way of writing an Action - nobody has to remember :) [10:34] jaddi27: yeah, it's generally good to pin it down to an owner but in that case it was justified [10:35] yep, that is another good reason for the recap section, so we can remember to do it in a month's time [10:35] Yep [10:35] So no one here was present for the Adelaide release party? [10:36] head_victim: Adelaide is still catching up to the rest of the country. :-P [10:36] gorilla: they're only 30 minutes behind mate! [10:36] Who was organising the Adelaide party? It was only announced on the day it happened, so there might not have been many people at it [10:36] jaddi27: yep [10:36] Well either way, if anyone would like to write up any events they went to the ubuntu.org.au page is the place for it [10:37] All you need to do is write the article and ping a website admin to publish it for you. [10:37] head_victim: Some argue add about 50 years. [10:37] jaddi27, yeah that was the problem, I would've gone but didn't get the email till to late [10:37] how does one do a release party? I'd be in for the next one! Or any one. :) [10:37] subscribed to mailing list [10:37] md_5, That is good to hear [10:37] bradzo, which city you in? [10:38] bradzo: Pick a venue and announce it... no big organisation required. [10:39] Just make sure you make an event on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au with all of the details. If it is up there, other people such as head_victim, sagaci and myself will promote it through the mailing list, Facebook, twitter, identi.ca, IRC, etc [10:40] Speaking of which, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/ContactUs could use some love [10:40] (and now that Facebook has fixed its event system again, I can make events that invite everyone in the group) [10:41] #action Release party attendees to ensure events are reported through the website [10:41] ACTION: Release party attendees to ensure events are reported through the website [10:41] oh cool then guys. I'm in Forest Lake, Brisbane. Would like to stay closer to home ... even at home (initially to meet other Ubuntu-ers) wifi access here, big screen etc - then we can organise something bigger? [10:41] head_victim, What would you like added to the contact page? I cleaned it up at the global jam, but can do more to it [10:42] Well I think links to all the areas on the left hand side of the table would be good [10:42] Also I think the admins are a bit out of date, [10:43] For example, yourself and sagaci should be listed in a few more places now [10:43] Yep, I can fix that up [10:43] But also, I'm thinking, if there is a self updating link to show admins that would be better than manually listing them. [10:43] For example the loco.u.c admins can all be listed with a launchpad link [10:44] md_5, bradzo, and other new people to the meetings and group - Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members/NewMembers if you have not already done so to join the mailing list and launchpad groups (and just find out more about Ubuntu-AU in general) [10:45] ikr if I joined the launchpad group [10:45] Is there anything else for the meeting tonight, or shall I close it? This other discussion can continue outside of the meeting [10:45] well I am now [10:45] oh speaking of admin.. I'm a moderator of the Ubuntu Au facebook page but would like to pass the control to someone else... suggestions? [10:45] Your request to join Ubuntu Australian Team is awaiting approval. [10:46] gorilla: there's already a few [10:46] jaddi27: Go for it. [10:47] md_5, You are now a member - I just approved it [10:47] gorilla: you don't need to resign if you want a leave of absence unless you would like to. [10:47] head_victim: I need to reduce the number of emails that I am getting from it.. 3G internet isn't fun. [10:47] ty jaddi27 [10:47] ok. Thanks everyone for attending. The next meeting will be on June 10, at 8pm AEST (UTC+10) [10:47] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/391/detail/ [10:48] #endmeeting [10:48] Meeting ended Sun May 13 10:48:00 2012 UTC. [10:48] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-05-13-10.01.moin.txt [10:48] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-05-13-10.01.html [10:48] gorilla: fair enough, if you want to step back up just sing out [10:48] jaddi27: good call, [10:48] head_victim: kk. I'll keep that in mind. [10:48] If people want to discuss general stuff feel free to do so [10:48] jaddi27: Well done. [10:48] gorilla: thanks heaps for your efforts to date, they've been appreciated. [10:49] gorilla, You can disable notifications for groups - I am one of the admins at the moment of that group, and get no emails whatsoever [10:49] damn the ubuntu code of conduct should have ssh pubkeys [10:49] So if you did want to keep doing it, but not get the emails, it should be possible [10:49] jaddi27: Ahhh. that's an idea... not bad at all. [10:50] head_victim, I didn't realise you could get a list of the l.u.c admins. Do you know the link to do that, or the wiki code for it, or where to look? [10:50] jaddi27: I'm happy to be in the background but need to reduce the interuptions. IRC can be ignored easily enough. [10:50] jaddi27: it's just run off the launchpad admins from memory [10:51] gorilla, Yep, I can easily understand that. It gets a bit much at times [10:52] head_victim, Ok. I will have a look to see if I can auto generate a list, but have a feeling that l.u.c can do that by linking in to the launchpad database [10:55] jaddi27: might be wrong, thought I'd seen it elsewhere though [10:59] i'm going to upgrade from 10.10 desktop to 11.04 desktop tonight - is it interactive? can I pre-answer some questions before I go to bed? [10:59] bradzo: I'd suggest backing up and installing 12.04 [10:59] 11.10 is still a little buggy [11:00] Well in my experience the Unity design in 12.04 is much better [11:00] agreed [11:00] ok - so download the alternive iso and go from there? from 10.10 to 12.04? [11:01] Nah you can't skip, so either backup and upgrade to 11.10 and then upgrade to 12.04 or just backup and fresh install 12.04 and retrieve the data from the backup === md_5 is now known as md_5|away [11:03] that's what I thought about skipping. did an upgrade on another machine on Friday last - it asked me questions re some files I had edited. just wondered whether there were a way to tell the upgrader on the command line to accept my answers.. :) [11:04] bradzo: either way, please, please please backup! [11:04] I've spent the last 2 days trying to fix an update gone wrong without backups [11:06] that's where it all falls down for me. I have one 500gb drive - what do I backup onto? :) I have an old 80gb USB drive, but... :) [11:07] no matter! what's better than living on the edge eh? :) [11:08] bradzo: At worst, back up the files that you change or make notes on what lines you changed... It's a good engineering practice. [11:09] yes, true. [11:09] oh well, here goes! [11:10] bradzo: If we don't hear from your computer again, we know what happened. :-) [11:10] LOL! [11:11] its cool gorilla - my stuff *IS* backed up, so no great dramas this time. :) [11:11] bradzo: ok :-) === md_5|away is now known as md_5