[05:09] <bradzo> hi all
[05:10] <benonsoftware> Hiya bradzo 
[05:11] <bradzo> hi benonsoftware !
[05:11] <bradzo> i thought i'd get in early so i didn't forget!
[06:14] <bradzo> i'm going to upgrade from 10.10 desktop to 11.04 desktop tonight - is it interactive? can I pre-answer some questions before I go to bed?
[08:55] <head_victim> Anyone here proficient with wubi?
[08:56] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Depends
[08:57] <head_victim> Well I have a drive with Ubuntu on it that was installed via wubi (which I was only told was done that way after removing it from a PC and rewriting an MBR) that when connected to another Ubuntu pc won't mount
[09:01] <benonsoftware> head_victim: so you wiped it then you found out it was wbubi?
[09:02] <head_victim> Nah it was incorrectly updated and had piles of dependency errors as well as other problems.
[09:03] <head_victim> And I was told the new computer was ready anyway so after spending a day trying to resolve the upgrade issues I figured I'd just unplug it and plug it into the new pc and rsync /home
[09:03] <head_victim> The problem is, when I plug it into the new PC it shows up as unallocated and won't mount
[09:04] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Eww, sounds kinda messy. I don't hink I would be of any help for that issue
[09:04] <benonsoftware> s/hink/think/
[09:05]  * benonsoftware may or may not be able to make the meeting tonight
[09:09] <head_victim> Bummer, I see jaddi make a fb thingy for it
[09:09] <head_victim> I wonder if sagaci will be around
[09:11] <Tibor> hi all
[09:11] <head_victim> Gday Tibor 
[09:11] <benonsoftware> Hiya Tibor 
[09:13] <Tibor> I'm new to this, so I will try to follow along
[09:15]  * md_5 hopes to be at the meeting
[09:20] <benonsoftware> +999999999999999999999999999999999999+
[09:20] <benonsoftware> Oops, sorry about that
[09:22] <head_victim> Heh
[09:23] <head_victim> Well if anyone has anything interest to add to the agenda feel free
[09:23] <head_victim> I'm still scratching my head about what to do with a wubi install ;)
[09:25] <benonsoftware> I actually have had a thought for anyone hosting release partys or anything like that
[09:26] <benonsoftware> head_victim sort of like your giveaway, I can get my hands on some O'Reilley ebook vouchers so if people want to give them away at a evetnt contact me
[09:27] <head_victim> Are they decent vouchers or just the ones you can get online?
[09:27] <benonsoftware> head_victim: I believe for free books but I can check
[09:27]  * benonsoftware sends a email off to check now
[09:38] <ikt> there be a meeting tonight?
[09:38] <benonsoftware> ikt: Yes
[09:38] <md_5> Team Meeting: Sun 13/05/2012 @ 2000 AEST (GMT+10)
[09:45] <ikt> sweet
[09:58] <head_victim> So who's around
[09:58] <md_5> me ;s
[09:58] <md_5> (not that I matter) :P
[09:58] <benonsoftware> o/
[09:58] <head_victim> md_5: we all matter :)
[09:59] <head_victim> The meetings are best when we have as much input from as many people as possible
[09:59] <bradzo> hi head_victim ! I'm here
[09:59] <head_victim> Gday bradzo 
[09:59] <jaddi27> I am here head_victim 
[09:59] <head_victim> Evening jaddi27 
[09:59] <bradzo> md_5: of course you matter
[09:59] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Wasn't there a membership meeting?
[10:00] <head_victim> benonsoftware: quorum wasn't achieved.
[10:00] <jaddi27> apologies for not being around much recently - lots of uni work to do
[10:00] <benonsoftware> Oh :(
[10:00] <head_victim> jaddi27: no worries, we're all volunteers
[10:00] <jaddi27> Well there is no sagaci tonight, so I will be running the meeting
[10:00] <jaddi27> everyone ready?
[10:00] <head_victim> Indeed :)
[10:01] <head_victim> I wasn't sure where sagaci would be in his program
[10:01]  * benonsoftware is ready
[10:01] <jaddi27> #startmeeting
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[10:01] <jaddi27> #meetingtopic Ubuntu-AU May 2012 Team Meeting
[10:01] <md_5> uh ok
[10:01] <jaddi27> #chair head_victim 
[10:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27
[10:02] <jaddi27> Welcome everyone to the May 2012 Team meeting
[10:02] <bradzo> tnanks Joell
[10:02] <jaddi27> Please say something during the meeting to record your attendance
[10:02] <bradzo> let me try again - Thanks Joel.
[10:02] <benonsoftware> o/ :P
[10:02] <jaddi27> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/389/detail/
[10:02] <md_5> hello!
[10:03] <jaddi27> See that page for the agenda
[10:03] <benonsoftware> Not much on it
[10:03] <jaddi27> bradzo, Welcome to the meeting
[10:03] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, No, a fairly short one tonight
[10:03] <benonsoftware> Yep
[10:03]  * benonsoftware tries and remembers what happened in March
[10:03] <jaddi27> #topic Recap of April/March Meetings
[10:03] <benonsoftware> No April meeting
[10:04] <benonsoftware> It was supposed to be on Good Friday :)
[10:04] <head_victim> Well, where's a link to the team report, I saw it was updated
[10:04] <jaddi27> There did not end up being an April meeting due to it being on the Easter weekend (or very close to it)
[10:04] <bradzo> I missed the actual facetoface at Kedron Park Hotel much to my dismay.
[10:04] <head_victim> bradzo: that's ok, we'll be having another more techy meeting in a few months
[10:04] <bradzo> excellent!
[10:05] <jaddi27> April team report can be found at:
[10:05] <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/11/April
[10:05] <jaddi27> oops, wrong april
[10:05]  * benonsoftware has too leave shortly
[10:06] <benonsoftware> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/12/April
[10:06] <jaddi27> Yes, that is it
[10:06] <head_victim> Evening gorilla 
[10:06] <gorilla> Hi head_victim 
[10:06] <benonsoftware> Hiya gorilla 
[10:06] <jaddi27> Going back to the March meeting
[10:06] <jaddi27> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-03-11-10.00.html
[10:07] <md_5> lets see
[10:07] <head_victim> I had an action item and I failed
[10:07] <jaddi27> The only point of action was:
[10:07] <jaddi27> head_victim to email the ML about offering Ubuntu support to manufacturers
[10:07] <jaddi27> However, it was not something that was on a time limit, and can easily be done at any time
[10:07] <md_5> ML .... ?
[10:08] <gorilla> Yep, not the end of the world.
[10:08] <head_victim> #action head_victim to attempt to remember to kick off a ML thread about offering support contact to manufacturers.
[10:08] <meetingology> ACTION: head_victim to attempt to remember to kick off a ML thread about offering support contact to manufacturers.
[10:08] <benonsoftware> md_5: Mailing Lists
[10:08] <gorilla> md_5: ML = Mailing list.
[10:08] <md_5> ./stupid
[10:08] <head_victim> If anyone else starts it before me I won't be upset but I'll try to remember
[10:08] <gorilla> head_victim: We'll bring it up next month if not :-P
[10:09] <head_victim> md_5: not at all, using shorthand that isn't familiar is a great way to ostracise newer members. If anything isn't making sense please ask.
[10:09] <jaddi27> We do seem to be picking up new members, which is certainly good to see
[10:09]  * gorilla agrees wholeheartedly with head_victim 
[10:10] <jaddi27> Unless there is anything else for the recap, I think we shall move on to the next topic
[10:10] <jaddi27> #topic UDS Roundup
[10:11] <jaddi27> head_victim, I'll let you take this one
[10:11] <jaddi27> UDS: http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[10:11] <head_victim> Did anyone catch any of the remote sessions?
[10:11] <benonsoftware> I did :P
[10:11] <head_victim> Anything to share?
[10:11] <gorilla> for those that are not aware... what's UDS?
[10:12] <jaddi27> The Ubuntu Developer Summit
[10:12] <gorilla> jaddi27: thanks.
[10:12] <benonsoftware> The Ubuntu YOuth session in my mind was good (I believe sagaci was there in person) and heaps of progress will be made with it in the next few months
[10:12] <head_victim> gorilla: good point
[10:12] <jaddi27> Basically a week of sessions related to the development of Ubuntu, especially around planning for the next version
[10:13] <head_victim> The UDS is held once a release (very early in the cycle) to set goals and plans for the next release.
[10:13] <benonsoftware> Audio of it all is at http://audio.ubuntu.com
[10:13] <jaddi27> sagaci was at UDS this year, but would be on a plane at the moment from memory
[10:13] <head_victim> Evening dingus 
[10:13] <bradzo> hi dingus 
[10:13] <jaddi27> Welcome to the meeting dingus 
[10:13] <md_5> sure thing head_victim 
[10:14] <gorilla> Would like to see a brief "report" from sagaci.. sounds interesting.
[10:14] <md_5> (was afk for a few min)
[10:15] <jaddi27> I think he should give a report at the next meeting - he was definitely very excited about it
[10:15] <head_victim> Sounds like he had a bunch of fun
[10:15] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[10:16] <jaddi27> Due to one of the sessions sagaci attended, he will be running a session to work on the Ubuntu Manual project next weekend
[10:16] <jaddi27> Details are at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1772/detail/
[10:16]  * benonsoftware was actually signed up to crew at the UDS
[10:17]  * benonsoftware shall attend that
[10:17] <head_victim> I'd encourage anyone vaguely interested in contributing but don't konw where to start to come along to that and just see what it's about
[10:17] <head_victim> It requires no special skills from what I understand.
[10:18]  * benonsoftware is signed up to do Index and Glossary
[10:18] <md_5> im away that weekend
[10:18] <jaddi27> I think it will just be reading what is already there, and helping to improve the manual for Precise
[10:18] <gorilla> md_5: It'll happen again, one weekend will not be enough :-)
[10:20] <jaddi27> Something that some people would find interesting from UDS: EA gave a talk about gaming on Ubuntu
[10:20] <jaddi27> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/05/ea-delivers-talk-at-ubuntu-developer-summit/
[10:20] <bradzo> i might be able to attend next sat 14:00 - 16:00 - how does it work?
[10:20] <jaddi27> bradzo, Come online here to #ubuntu-au, and sagaci will guide everyone in what he would like to do
[10:21] <Tibor> Sounds good
[10:21] <bradzo> ok - i'll add it to my diary :)
[10:22] <jaddi27> And a brief summary of development goals for the q-cycle (what will become Ubuntu 12.10) - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/05/uds-q-summary-bye-bye-unity-2d-hello-gnome-shell-spin/
[10:22] <md_5> just reading a recap 12.10 looks like it will be sweet
[10:22] <gorilla_> sorry.. connection dropped out.
[10:23] <head_victim> Well feel free to write stories for ubuntu.org.au for these projects
[10:23] <head_victim> As long as they're Ubuntu related and being carried out by Australians it's all good news.
[10:24] <jaddi27> Anything else to add to the UDS discussion tonight?
[10:24] <jaddi27> Doesn't look like it, so moving on to the next topic
[10:24] <bradzo> sorry Joel, no
[10:25] <head_victim> Sounds good :)
[10:25] <jaddi27> #topic Release Party Catch Ups
[10:25] <jaddi27> head_victim, go ahead
[10:25] <head_victim> Mainly just to point out how slack I am
[10:26] <head_victim> Again, round ups of the events should be posted to ubuntu.org.au so I was going to call for volunteers from each event to write up a litte blurb
[10:26] <head_victim> Not too long and if you have photos attaching or linking them would be great.
[10:26]  * benonsoftware has to leave
[10:26] <benonsoftware> Night all
[10:26] <head_victim> But from what I understand there was one in Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide. Did I miss any?
[10:26] <head_victim> Night benonsoftware 
[10:27] <jaddi27> bye benonsoftware 
[10:27] <md_5> yeah no melbourne
[10:27]  * gorilla is no longer in Melbourne which doesn't help the situation.
[10:28] <bradzo> i'd like to put my hand up to bring Ubuntu to people in the Forest Lake QLD area. So if anyone is interested....
[10:28] <head_victim> Well for the next release I encourage you all you think about getting together, even if it's just 3 - 5 people and a coffee/beer it's still a good start.
[10:28] <head_victim> bradzo: great, in Brisbane we'll be holding a technical get together in a few months as well
[10:28] <head_victim> Listen out for it on the mailing list
[10:29] <Tibor> Forest Lake sounds good nice and close
[10:29] <head_victim> Well when the polls go out for when/where make your voice heard and join in :)
[10:29] <head_victim> As a team we're awesome at online events, less so at real world ones.
[10:29] <jaddi27> head_victim, bradzo - Was the next Brisbane technical meeting was going to be held in the city again, or somewhere like Garden City? I can't remember where was decided (or if it was properly set)
[10:29] <head_victim> So was anyone at any of the release parties with anything to add?
[10:30] <gorilla> head_victim: outside is scary! :-P
[10:30] <head_victim> jaddi27: more suburban I believe, somewhere with parking
[10:30] <jaddi27> yes, I thought that was it
[10:30] <bradzo> we can do it at my place - big screen data projector, wifi access... big outdoor area, swimming pool. 
[10:31] <bradzo> even if not members of public, would still like to invite bris bods over for an afternoon of pizza and beer... :)
[10:32] <bradzo> hi Tibor  - you're most welcome.
[10:32] <Tibor> Thanks:)
[10:32] <head_victim> #action someone to start talking about tech get togethers in a few months on the mailing list
[10:32] <meetingology> ACTION: someone to start talking about tech get togethers in a few months on the mailing list
[10:33] <bradzo> probably not in the next few weeks etc - too bloody cold for a swim, but there you go!
[10:33] <head_victim> I heard the Sydney release party went well , how was the Adelaide one?
[10:33] <ikt> That's what I'd like to know as well :P
[10:34] <jaddi27> head_victim, I second that way of writing an Action - nobody has to remember :)
[10:34] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah, it's generally good to pin it down to an owner but in that case it was justified
[10:35] <jaddi27> yep, that is another good reason for the recap section, so we can remember to do it in a month's time
[10:35] <head_victim> Yep
[10:35] <head_victim> So no one here was present for the Adelaide release party?
[10:36] <gorilla> head_victim: Adelaide is still catching up to the rest of the country. :-P
[10:36] <head_victim> gorilla: they're only 30 minutes behind mate!
[10:36] <jaddi27> Who was organising the Adelaide party? It was only announced on the day it happened, so there might not have been many people at it
[10:36] <head_victim> jaddi27: yep
[10:36] <head_victim> Well either way, if anyone would like to write up any events they went to the ubuntu.org.au page is the place for it
[10:37] <head_victim> All you need to do is write the article and ping a website admin to publish it for you.
[10:37] <gorilla> head_victim: Some argue add about 50 years.
[10:37] <ikt> jaddi27, yeah that was the problem, I would've gone but didn't get the email till to late
[10:37] <bradzo> how does one do a release party? I'd be in for the next one! Or any one. :)
[10:37] <md_5> subscribed to mailing list
[10:37] <jaddi27> md_5, That is good to hear
[10:37] <ikt> bradzo, which city you in?
[10:38] <gorilla> bradzo: Pick a venue and announce it... no big organisation required.
[10:39] <jaddi27> Just make sure you make an event on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au with all of the details. If it is up there, other people such as head_victim, sagaci and myself will promote it through the mailing list, Facebook, twitter, identi.ca, IRC, etc
[10:40] <head_victim> Speaking of which, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/ContactUs could use some love
[10:40] <jaddi27> (and now that Facebook has fixed its event system again, I can make events that invite everyone in the group)
[10:41] <head_victim> #action Release party attendees to ensure events are reported through the website
[10:41] <meetingology> ACTION: Release party attendees to ensure events are reported through the website
[10:41] <bradzo> oh cool then guys. I'm in Forest Lake, Brisbane. Would like to stay closer to home ... even at home (initially to meet other Ubuntu-ers) wifi access here, big screen etc - then we can organise something bigger?
[10:41] <jaddi27> head_victim, What would you like added to the contact page? I cleaned it up at the global jam, but can do more to it
[10:42] <head_victim> Well I think links to all the areas on the left hand side of the table would be good
[10:42] <head_victim> Also I think the admins are a bit out of date, 
[10:43] <head_victim> For example, yourself and sagaci should be listed in a few more places now
[10:43] <jaddi27> Yep, I can fix that up
[10:43] <head_victim> But also, I'm thinking, if there is a self updating link to show admins that would be better than manually listing them.
[10:43] <head_victim> For example the loco.u.c admins can all be listed with a launchpad link
[10:44] <jaddi27> md_5, bradzo, and other new people to the meetings and group - Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members/NewMembers if you have not already done so to join the mailing list and launchpad groups (and just find out more about Ubuntu-AU in general)
[10:45] <md_5> ikr if I joined the launchpad group
[10:45] <jaddi27> Is there anything else for the meeting tonight, or shall I close it? This other discussion can continue outside of the meeting
[10:45] <md_5> well I am now
[10:45] <gorilla> oh speaking of admin.. I'm a moderator of the Ubuntu Au facebook page but would like to pass the control to someone else... suggestions?
[10:45] <md_5> Your request to join Ubuntu Australian Team is awaiting approval.
[10:46] <head_victim> gorilla: there's already a few
[10:46] <gorilla> jaddi27: Go for it.
[10:47] <jaddi27> md_5, You are now a member - I just approved it
[10:47] <head_victim> gorilla: you don't need to resign if you want a leave of absence unless you would like to.
[10:47] <gorilla> head_victim: I need to reduce the number of emails that I am getting from it.. 3G internet isn't fun.
[10:47] <md_5> ty jaddi27 
[10:47] <jaddi27> ok. Thanks everyone for attending. The next meeting will be on June 10, at 8pm AEST (UTC+10)
[10:47] <jaddi27> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/391/detail/
[10:48] <jaddi27> #endmeeting
[10:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun May 13 10:48:00 2012 UTC.  
[10:48] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-05-13-10.01.moin.txt
[10:48] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-05-13-10.01.html
[10:48] <head_victim> gorilla: fair enough, if you want to step back up just sing out
[10:48] <head_victim> jaddi27: good call,
[10:48] <gorilla> head_victim: kk. I'll keep that in mind.
[10:48] <head_victim> If people want to discuss general stuff feel free to do so
[10:48] <gorilla> jaddi27: Well done.
[10:48] <head_victim> gorilla: thanks heaps for your efforts to date, they've been appreciated.
[10:49] <jaddi27> gorilla, You can disable notifications for groups - I am one of the admins at the moment of that group, and get no emails whatsoever
[10:49] <md_5> damn the ubuntu code of conduct should have ssh pubkeys
[10:49] <jaddi27> So if you did want to keep doing it, but not get the emails, it should be possible
[10:49] <gorilla> jaddi27: Ahhh. that's an idea... not bad at all.
[10:50] <jaddi27> head_victim, I didn't realise you could get a list of the l.u.c admins. Do you know the link to do that, or the wiki code for it, or where to look?
[10:50] <gorilla> jaddi27: I'm happy to be in the background but need to reduce the interuptions. IRC can be ignored easily enough.
[10:50] <head_victim> jaddi27: it's just run off the launchpad admins from memory
[10:51] <jaddi27> gorilla, Yep, I can easily understand that. It gets a bit much at times
[10:52] <jaddi27> head_victim, Ok. I will have a look to see if I can auto generate a list, but have a feeling that l.u.c can do that by linking in to the launchpad database
[10:55] <head_victim> jaddi27: might be wrong, thought I'd seen it elsewhere though
[10:59] <bradzo> i'm going to upgrade from 10.10 desktop to 11.04 desktop tonight - is it interactive? can I pre-answer some questions before I go to bed?
[10:59] <head_victim> bradzo: I'd suggest backing up and installing 12.04
[10:59] <head_victim> 11.10 is still a little buggy
[11:00] <head_victim> Well in my experience the Unity design in 12.04 is much better
[11:00] <ikt> agreed
[11:00] <bradzo> ok - so download the alternive iso and go from there? from 10.10 to 12.04?
[11:01] <head_victim> Nah you can't skip, so either backup and upgrade to 11.10 and then upgrade to 12.04 or just backup and fresh install 12.04 and retrieve the data from the backup
[11:03] <bradzo> that's what I thought about skipping. did an upgrade on another machine on Friday last - it asked me questions re some files I had edited. just wondered whether there were a way to tell the upgrader on the command line to accept my answers.. :)
[11:04] <head_victim> bradzo: either way, please, please please backup!
[11:04] <head_victim> I've spent the last 2 days trying to fix an update gone wrong without backups
[11:06] <bradzo> that's where it all falls down for me. I have one 500gb drive - what do I backup onto? :) I have an old 80gb USB drive, but... :)
[11:07] <bradzo> no matter! what's better than living on the edge eh? :)
[11:08] <gorilla> bradzo: At worst, back up the files that you change or make notes on what lines you changed... It's a good engineering practice.
[11:09] <bradzo> yes, true. 
[11:09] <bradzo> oh well, here goes!
[11:10] <gorilla> bradzo: If we don't hear from your computer again, we know what happened. :-)
[11:10] <bradzo> LOL!
[11:11] <bradzo> its cool gorilla  - my stuff *IS* backed up, so no great dramas this time. :)
[11:11] <gorilla> bradzo: ok :-)