| snap-l | And, when I make a mistake, it's nice to be able to go back and just run a script to re-make the show. | 00:09 |
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| rick_h_ | hah https://twitter.com/#!/isaiah/status/201815165744848897 | 10:38 |
| rick_h_ | and morning | 10:38 |
| shakes808 | Good Morning | 11:44 |
| rick_h_ | morn | 11:45 |
| shakes808 | How are things in the world of rick? | 11:56 |
| shakes808 | You might like this :D http://shirt.woot.com/ | 11:56 |
| rick_h_ | ok here, just busy. | 11:57 |
| shakes808 | That is a good thing | 11:58 |
| shakes808 | Did you know: Joan of ArcA survey reported that 12% of Americans think that Joan of Arc was Noah's wife. | 11:58 |
| rick_h_ | I'll file that one under my general assumption that at least 75% of the work population is dump as bricks | 11:59 |
| rick_h_ | dumb that is | 11:59 |
| rick_h_ | see that I fit into that 75% please | 12:00 |
| brousch | or they said it because it's funny | 12:00 |
| rick_h_ | see the original point | 12:00 |
| shakes808 | lol | 12:01 |
| brousch | :P | 12:06 |
| wolflarson | I have heard that when dealing with linux you need to pick gnome or KED. Is this true with ubuntu? (there seems to be no option) | 12:48 |
| rick_h_ | wolflarson: so Ubuntu ships with "Unity" by default for you to use | 12:49 |
| rick_h_ | which is based on top of many Gnome technologies | 12:49 |
| rick_h_ | it's meant to be easy for new users and not give them unnecessary decisions to make, but if you're a fan of kde you can try it out as well, just more work | 12:49 |
| wolflarson | oh i am new and so not a fan of ether, just something i read | 12:51 |
| rick_h_ | wolflarson: yea, I'd not worry about it then and just start with the out of the box experience | 12:51 |
| wolflarson | ok thank you | 12:51 |
| brousch | try all 3 and see which you like best | 12:52 |
| brousch | unity, gnome3, kde | 12:52 |
| rick_h_ | bah, if you're new just get your feet wet before window manager hopping imo | 12:53 |
| rick_h_ | there's enough adjustment/learning to start with | 12:53 |
| wolflarson | i seem to have an issue when i partitioned my HD C:\ is no longer my primary partition, how bad is this? | 12:53 |
| brousch | linux doesn't use drive letters | 12:57 |
| brousch | are you trying to preserve an old windows install, or blow it away and install linux? | 12:58 |
| wolflarson | keep my win 7 because i have only tried the demo and i am not sure how useful it will be | 13:00 |
| wolflarson | i created a 10 GB partition and formatted it ntfs but now my C:\ is a "healthy" partition and not the primary one | 13:01 |
| brousch | i haven't actually done a side by side install, but i think the ubun tu installer does the partition stuff for you | 13:01 |
| wolflarson | oh ... | 13:01 |
| wolflarson | so delete the partition? | 13:02 |
| brousch | i don't know | 13:02 |
| brousch | i don't have win7 | 13:02 |
| wolflarson | ok well i just finised downloading the iso so i will see how it goes | 13:02 |
| brousch | if your data ended up on the new partition, you shouldn't delete it | 13:02 |
| wolflarson | it is not it seems to be empty of all data | 13:03 |
| wolflarson | but i don't know how to put it back in to the C partition | 13:04 |
| wolflarson | if linux does not use drive letters what does it use? | 13:04 |
| brousch | mount points | 13:08 |
| brousch | your "C" drive is kind of like "/" | 13:09 |
| brousch | your CD-ROM will be at something like /media/cdrom | 13:09 |
| wolflarson | what else will be in media? would / be like root? | 13:09 |
| brousch | yes, / is root | 13:10 |
| brousch | on windows you have c:\documents and settings\wolflarson\ for your personal stuff, on linux that will be /home/wolflarson | 13:11 |
| wolflarson | so would cards be in / too? /cards/wireless and the NIC ? | 13:12 |
| brousch | nope, hardware devices are in /dev | 13:12 |
| brousch | so there's actually a /dev/cdrom too | 13:13 |
| wolflarson | ah ok and USB is there too? | 13:14 |
| brousch | right | 13:14 |
| wolflarson | thank you for explaining that | 13:14 |
| wolflarson | well this hours over next class :) | 13:15 |
| brousch | rick_h_: what's your pyohio talk? | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/663/ is my little abstract submissions | 13:32 |
| brousch | wow, nice! | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | just kind of a general "if you're going an app/library you have no excuse for not having docs/tests/package on pypi" | 13:33 |
| brousch | i like how the description is web framework agnostic | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | so try to show how an hour's work can make all that happen and using free services/automation | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | yea, think I'll just do something wsgiref or basic. The idea is not the app, but the stuff around the app | 13:33 |
| brousch | right | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | just need something to do hello world via gunicorn on heroku | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | that's the idea at least, not written yet, and two things on the list I've not used/done before | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | so it fits the bill on talking about something you can learn a bit about as well | 13:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I'm totally there. | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, figure worst case I'll be able to say I told you guys this stuff when I package up your github repo next time :P | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | but hard to think of topic ideas this year | 13:35 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: When and where is this going to be? This is what I need to do, correct? With getting me set up on github and getting my projects started? | 13:36 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: this will be at PyOhio end of July | 13:36 |
| rick_h_ | see pyohio.org | 13:36 |
| rick_h_ | (as long as it's accepted) | 13:36 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: and yea, that's the idea, it'll be an intense beginner talk I think since it's not going to require deep code knowledge | 13:37 |
| brousch | i'm sure it will be | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | but hopefully it'll poke a few more advanced users/expose some new tools/things as well | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | so good for all ages! :) | 13:37 |
| shakes808 | :( I have my son that weekend, I won't be able to go. | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | how old? bring him along :) | 13:38 |
| shakes808 | 6 | 13:38 |
| shakes808 | lol | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | I'm trying to talk my little brother into coming down with me this year | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | ah, gotcha | 13:38 |
| shakes808 | His eyes will glaze over | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | well they are recorded as well | 13:38 |
| snap-l | They have been in the past | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I took my wife/1yr old a couple of years ago | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | it was ok, but nothing really great for the little ones | 13:39 |
| shakes808 | my son: "What the fuck dad? Why am I here? Is there a Wii to play with?" | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | I wouldn't take my boy either | 13:39 |
| shakes808 | lol | 13:39 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: You sure you're not thinking of codemash? | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, remember when erica came down and hung out with jodee, was michael not around yet? | 13:40 |
| rick_h_ | maybe he wasn't | 13:40 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, all blurs | 13:40 |
| snap-l | I think I would have remembered that. :) | 13:40 |
| rick_h_ | codemash rocked for the little one, my wife asked me to submit another talk for this next year | 13:40 |
| rick_h_ | so yea, shakes808 put codemash on your calendar and get the boy, good times | 13:40 |
| brousch | rick_h_: you roomed with me 2 years ago. i have no recollection of an infant | 13:42 |
| snap-l | I have 6 running VMs on my machine | 13:42 |
| snap-l | this is awesome. | 13:42 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: ok, so yea it was pre-boy I guess. | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | I know one year the wife came down, was ok but nothing grand | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: lol | 13:43 |
| snap-l | brousch: Wasn't it more than two years? | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: is this the work desktop? | 13:43 |
| brousch | pyohio 2010 | 13:43 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: codemash is next year lol | 13:43 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Yeah, home machine only has 8gb | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: yea, in Jan | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: heh, yea I got special ram/etc consideration when I got that machine | 13:44 |
| rick_h_ | it had more ram and larger drives than everyone else :) | 13:44 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Thank you. | 13:44 |
| rick_h_ | make buddies with those guys, pays off :) | 13:44 |
| shakes808 | How much is it? | 13:44 |
| snap-l | 16GB | 13:44 |
| rick_h_ | and laugh at their jokes about Diana and her screw driver | 13:44 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I love our IT folks here. | 13:44 |
| snap-l | They make things work. I like that. | 13:45 |
| snap-l | also, the fact that our firewall isn't like Chrysler's firewall makes me very happy. | 13:47 |
| rick_h_ | yea, they're pretty good about that part | 13:47 |
| rick_h_ | but I think the built in bandwidth caps don't help :P | 13:48 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I think there's some funky QoS | 13:48 |
| snap-l | but I'd rather have funky QoS than half of the network blocked | 13:48 |
| snap-l | esp when you're looking for information on running Windows on Linux, and get flagged for a prohibited search (Alcohol) | 13:49 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: how old is your brother now? I remember one time you brought him to lightning talks or python group he was just a kid | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: 21 | 14:18 |
| jrwren | awe, they grow up so quick. | 14:19 |
| jrwren | how he is doing? | 14:19 |
| rick_h_ | he started school at northern in Jan and tring to find out what to do so figured coming to PyOhio might be fun/exposure to some texch stuff | 14:19 |
| jrwren | ah, very cool. | 14:21 |
| jrwren | i really should go to pyOhio. I still feel python incompetent. | 14:21 |
| rick_h_ | it's a great small conf | 14:22 |
| snap-l | jrwren: You should go to PyOhio | 14:42 |
| snap-l | Wash some of that .net stink off you. | 14:42 |
| brousch | omg, that reminds me | 14:44 |
| brousch | at tedxgr some random people joined me at a table. they were from a local dev shop or something. all they could talk about was sharepoint | 14:45 |
| brousch | "if you ever need sharepoint help or development, come see us!" | 14:45 |
| brousch | somehow i suppressed remarks about hot pokers in inappropriate places | 14:46 |
| jrwren | snap-l: i haven't done .net since Nov. | 15:16 |
| jrwren | how long does it take to get the stink off? | 15:16 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: 2 versions? | 15:16 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 15:16 |
| jrwren | hahaha, shit at the turtle pace of .net, its gonna be a while. | 15:16 |
| snap-l | And you can't replace the stink of .net with Java. | 15:19 |
| snap-l | It's like trying to improve the smell of a latrine by taking a dump in it | 15:19 |
| jrwren | well, depends on teh stink, if you do mono and not .net then its all lilacs and lillies | 15:24 |
| snap-l | no matter how I try to convince her, JoDee assures me I cannot shit lilacs and lillies. | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | hah, until you blog about it and the OSS zealots get a hold of you :P | 15:25 |
| snap-l | I eagerly await the FSF's reversal on Java. | 15:26 |
| snap-l | Especially considering the vitriol over mono that frankly hasn't panned out. | 15:26 |
| brousch | snap-l: you shit what you eat | 15:30 |
| Milyardo | The virtiol over Mono was over patents, the current drama with Java currently is about something of which isn't even copyrightable | 15:30 |
| Milyardo | and if it is found to be copyrightable | 15:30 |
| snap-l | And patents | 15:30 |
| Milyardo | dear god help us all | 15:30 |
| snap-l | Remember, the other shoe hasn't dropped on that yet. | 15:30 |
| snap-l | But yet, Sun made Java GPL, so it's all good. | 15:31 |
| snap-l | except when it isn't. | 15:31 |
| Milyardo | If API are found to be copyrightable the copyright status of every implementation will have to reasssed | 15:31 |
| snap-l | I mean, Mono is... wait... LGPL / GPL / X11 licensed. | 15:32 |
| Milyardo | Also software patents will become useless | 15:32 |
| snap-l | As long as there is a buck to be made, software patents won't go away anytime soon | 15:32 |
| Milyardo | Why patent something when instead you can implement it any any similar implementation will become copyrightable by you without any involvement of a patent office | 15:33 |
| snap-l | Milyardo: Because it makes look and feel lawsuits so much easier. | 15:34 |
| snap-l | copyright doesn't cover that angle | 15:34 |
| Milyardo | Yes it does with the exansion of this copyright in this case | 15:35 |
| Milyardo | SSO does include how software in presented | 15:36 |
| jrwren | i'm afraid not | 15:37 |
| jrwren | and api are not copyrightable in general. | 15:37 |
| jrwren | BSD ATT case decided that long ago | 15:37 |
| jrwren | this case is about some specific api copyrights, not the general case. | 15:37 |
| jrwren | so even if oracle wins, it will not effect other software | 15:37 |
| jrwren | wine will be fine | 15:37 |
| snap-l | jrwren: we hope | 15:38 |
| jrwren | yes, we hope. | 15:38 |
| jrwren | and even if a judge goes nuts (which happens often in federal courts located in CA) there will still be mixed legal precidense | 15:38 |
| jrwren | precedence | 15:38 |
| snap-l | I can see this judge navigating a tight line, but if Oracle gets their way, expect other software manufacturers to follow | 15:38 |
| snap-l | and carefully ape whatever made pay-dirt for Oracle | 15:39 |
| jrwren | they can try, but its also very expensive to try | 15:39 |
| jrwren | say you go for wine or mono, who are you going to sue? no one has money of any significance there. | 15:40 |
| jrwren | nor marketshare. | 15:40 |
| jrwren | you would spend millions of dollars just to shut some people down with no financial gain. | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | so far the judge doesn't seem a complete moron | 15:47 |
| rick_h_ | so I'm holding out hope, but I'm definitely not feeling that Google is 100% in the clear | 15:47 |
| shakes808 | How many gamers do we have? | 17:39 |
| waldo323_ | 42? | 17:39 |
| shakes808 | lol | 17:39 |
| snap-l | Define gamer | 17:39 |
| snap-l | I'm more "old school" gaming. :) | 17:39 |
| snap-l | Mancala FTW! | 17:39 |
| shakes808 | A person who plays games. | 17:39 |
| shakes808 | MANCALA!!!! Hell yeah. lol | 17:40 |
| shakes808 | little stones moving from divit to divit | 17:40 |
| shakes808 | lol | 17:40 |
| shakes808 | I would be referring, of course, to video (PC) games | 17:40 |
| snap-l | More modern games, then? | 17:41 |
| shakes808 | Yes, sir | 17:42 |
| snap-l | We run Linux. There will be no more modern games here. :) | 17:42 |
| snap-l | TuxRacer For LIFE | 17:42 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux_Racer | 17:42 |
| shakes808 | I will have to check if there is a linux ver of it, but my buddy just turned me on to this game League of Legends. It is an RTS type. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Legends | 17:43 |
| shakes808 | Was wondering if anyone would want to try it out | 17:43 |
| shakes808 | You are a hero and lvl up and what not | 17:43 |
| shakes808 | it is FTP of course. | 17:44 |
| shakes808 | Free-To-Play | 17:44 |
| snap-l | I think it's Windows only | 17:44 |
| snap-l | but working under Wine | 17:45 |
| shakes808 | there is a download. Would anyone be interested in trying it out? I have played a few matches the last couple of nights and seems pretty fun | 17:45 |
| snap-l | and by working, I mean there's a forum posting out there on the net that purports to have working instructions | 17:45 |
| shakes808 | and speaking of games snap-l, how is your game coming along? | 17:46 |
| snap-l | DNF | 17:46 |
| snap-l | Unfortunately I got mid-way through and realized it wasn't going to be much of a game without some more effort | 17:47 |
| snap-l | http://www.wildfiregames.com/0ad/ | 17:47 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: so that just means you're doing pymonth right? :) | 17:47 |
| snap-l | Heh | 17:48 |
| snap-l | I might finish it, but right now I'm working on other stuff | 17:48 |
| snap-l | like last night I finished moving OMC to archive.org | 17:48 |
| shakes808 | What game is that? | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | nice | 17:48 |
| snap-l | 0AD is a RTS | 17:48 |
| shakes808 | Do you play that one? | 17:49 |
| snap-l | I've loaded it. Haven't played much of it | 17:49 |
| snap-l | We've played some freeciv in the past | 17:49 |
| snap-l | Also: http://www.xonotic.org/ | 17:49 |
| shakes808 | The 0AD looks like Age of Empires | 17:50 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's very similar. | 17:50 |
| shakes808 | or Total War series | 17:50 |
| shakes808 | One of the games that I want/in the making is http://www.tribalwars.net | 17:51 |
| shakes808 | it is a text based rts | 17:51 |
| JonEdney | I've been looking for a good RTS game, since I switched from Windows and cant play Company of Heroes. | 17:52 |
| shakes808 | My plans for my RTS is to start off text based and then when it gets to a certain point start making it to a graphics game. | 17:53 |
| JonEdney | Very nice., | 17:53 |
| shakes808 | Gotta start somewhere | 17:53 |
| JonEdney | I was a big FPS person, then a friend got me into the RTS. | 17:53 |
| JonEdney | Absolutely. | 17:53 |
| shakes808 | FPS's are fun but get too repeatitive | 17:54 |
| JonEdney | Yeah, I played FPS for over 10 years in leagues...i'm just burnt out from them now. | 17:54 |
| shakes808 | RTS's can be too, but the strategy can change and what not | 17:54 |
| shakes808 | nice | 17:54 |
| JonEdney | And now that I'm on Ubuntu 100%, not much to game on here. | 17:54 |
| shakes808 | That is one reason why I kept my Win7 alive, but just barely lol | 17:55 |
| shakes808 | I like to play games and not much for linux | 17:55 |
| JonEdney | Yeah my Wife's laptop took a crap so I had to throw my Win 7 on her laptop, so just went straight Ubuntu. | 17:55 |
| shakes808 | Gotchya. What a good husband lol | 17:56 |
| JonEdney | I shoulda put Ubuntu on it and said "Sorry, all I had" | 17:57 |
| shakes808 | lol | 17:58 |
| shakes808 | That is what I would do | 17:58 |
| shakes808 | lol | 17:58 |
| snap-l | http://www.wesnoth.org/ | 17:58 |
| JonEdney | I was considering givving that a try snap-l | 17:58 |
| snap-l | I've played the single-player tutorials of this for a while | 17:58 |
| snap-l | It's pretty fun | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | gotta love it, start a django project and syntastic lights up on every file ootb | 17:59 |
| brousch | freeciv | 18:01 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: Are you going to be at CHC Wednesday? | 18:01 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: yea, afaik | 18:01 |
| brousch | is it a good thing that syntastic lights up? | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: no, it means that pyflakes/pep8 are tossing out errors on the default files | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | which basically means the devs aren't using these tools I suppose... | 18:02 |
| shakes808 | alright cool :D I am going to try to get the github stuff going and mess around with that. Could you help me out if I am having troubles? | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | which makes me die a little inside | 18:02 |
| brousch | pep8 is beneath django | 18:02 |
| JonEdney | Anyone from southeastern area? | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: which github stuff? | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | JonEdney: most of us are | 18:03 |
| JonEdney | I was thinking about starting to come to the get togethers and stuff, but I'm still an ubuntu noob. | 18:03 |
| shakes808 | I think I have it set up. I am going through the site and looking at what I need to do. I haven't uploaded anyting or messed with actual GitHub. | 18:04 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: ah ok so just making sure your remote is setup right and you can git push ? | 18:04 |
| shakes808 | I am below noob of Ubuntu. | 18:04 |
| shakes808 | yes | 18:04 |
| shakes808 | :D | 18:04 |
| JonEdney | lol shakes808 | 18:04 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: gotcha, k | 18:04 |
| snap-l | JonEdney: Didn't you come to CHC? | 18:05 |
| rick_h_ | yea, np, github has instrucitons for that stuff that's pretty good but can be there to hold the life vest in case you jump off the ship | 18:05 |
| JonEdney | No I didnt snap-l | 18:05 |
| snap-l | Ah, I thought you had. | 18:05 |
| shakes808 | I have a buddy that does this stuff as well and I am going to see if he can start some test files and I am going to do the same and see how going back and forth onthe different projects work and versioning works | 18:05 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: lol thanks | 18:06 |
| JonEdney | I'm going to have to check it out, they are every wednesday? | 18:06 |
| rick_h_ | JonEdney: yes: http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html | 18:11 |
| shakes808 | rick_h_: Yeah, why is it Detroit when it really is Royal Oak? | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | shakes808: because originally there was only an AA one | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | and I was starting "Detroit" one because everyone can place Detroit | 18:12 |
| shakes808 | Alcoholics Anon? | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | Ann Arbor | 18:13 |
| snap-l | Ann Arbor | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | they were the original | 18:13 |
| shakes808 | Gotchya | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | how was I to know people would start others years later? :P | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | and actually be down-river | 18:13 |
| shakes808 | HA HA | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | but now I've got 3+ years of posting/twitter/etc with CHC Detroit in it :/ | 18:13 |
| shakes808 | I mentioned CHC to a buddy and he was confused too lol | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | bah, I guess I should rename, but it's our second location so hate getting too specific | 18:14 |
| shakes808 | Always have an announcement for changing it from Detroit to Royal Oak due to stoopid people like me that get confused lol | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | but the url would have to change, etc ugh | 18:14 |
| shakes808 | lol All this work lol | 18:15 |
| JonEdney | Yeah, I'm in Westland, so close to all of them except Lansing, neat. | 18:15 |
| shakes808 | JonEdney: you are almost in the middle of them all lol | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | wtf...call from a firm in TX, an out of the blue email from some recruiter I've never heard of...people quit trying to make me change jobs | 18:16 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Yeah, I've gotten calls like that. | 18:16 |
| snap-l | Especially if you're on linkedin or one of these other pro sites | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | seems like a flood today. Evidently I posted something somewhere bad | 18:17 |
| snap-l | Also think I get some from Google Searches. | 18:17 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: You're just awesome, and everyone wants a slice. | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | oh and the repeat google email | 18:17 |
| brousch | rick_h_: must be your pyohio talk | 18:17 |
| snap-l | brousch: ++ | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | heh, "I might speak!" "ooooh, that's quality stuff!" | 18:18 |
| brousch | only the elite speak at pyohio | 18:19 |
| rick_h_ | brousch would know, Mr Elite! | 18:19 |
| brousch | the animated gifs you use, the more elite you are | 18:20 |
| brousch | so i kick your ass | 18:20 |
| brousch | i don't have any good talk ideas | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | doh! | 18:21 |
| brousch | i had that build your own web framework idea, but haven't done anything with it | 18:22 |
| rick_h_ | ok, I'm all for having coding standards, but making it up as you go isn't going to cut it | 18:26 |
| brousch | gotta start somewhere! | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | *sigh* | 18:26 |
| jrwren | i hate codeing standards. | 18:28 |
| jrwren | teh standard should be "does the code work?" if yes, its good | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | heh, not going to go there | 18:28 |
| jrwren | if not, its bad :) | 18:29 |
| jrwren | i'm j/k of course. | 18:29 |
| jrwren | but I find most impl of coding stanards are too ridgid | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | well when you've got a `make lint` command that rnus for that stuff...it should either follow/not | 18:30 |
| jrwren | yup | 18:30 |
| rick_h_ | oh good grief, he's pilling our 2yr old diffs of the style guide doc on me | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: so..as a baised yet still hater on unity...the first answer is: "Gnome 3 developers have dropped this from gnome-control-center with a recommendation that it be repackaged and available as a separate application." | 18:55 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: so how is that unity's fault? | 18:55 |
| snap-l | I honestly think a good number of things that Unity gets kicked about are a direct result of Gnome 3-isms | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | well sounds like the app got split, messed up, not packaged, etc...but I don't get how any of it is Unity's fault | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | unless I'm mis-understanding I guess | 18:57 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: I thought it was "it would show up in the systray, but only if you run this incantation specific to Unity" | 18:57 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: I mean, it works fine for my buddy on gnome-shell | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: ok, so the issue isn't that the app went away/need backports/etc | 18:58 |
| greg-g | brb, conf call | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | it's the systray bit then | 18:58 |
| * greg-g nods | 18:58 | |
| rick_h_ | ouch, someone just got done reading some books and went off http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla | 20:00 |
| greg-g | he had an amazeballs brain | 20:06 |
| shakes808 | You all have a good day | 20:25 |
| greg-g | great, the week after I pay my money to NewsBlur, the site goes unresponsive :( | 20:41 |
| JonEdney | That's how it works. | 20:42 |
| JonEdney | CHC is like 45 minutes from me here in Westland, but I'm gonna try to check it out this week. | 20:42 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Trust me, there's a lot of Tesla fans out there. | 21:03 |
| _stink_ | i love this Tesla comic. | 21:13 |
| greg-g | snap-l: "Your music compatibility is: VERY LOW" :( | 21:14 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I haven't scrobbled anything with this new account | 21:15 |
| greg-g | oh, weird | 21:15 |
| snap-l | finally broke down and re-regiatered. | 21:15 |
| greg-g | the text version of the email from last.fm said that, but the website says "unknown" | 21:15 |
| snap-l | had an account a while back that I deleted. | 21:15 |
| greg-g | I sense a bug in their html->plain text conversion | 21:15 |
| snap-l | Before I was pissed off with CBS, but quite frankly, I want them to hear what I'm listening to now. :) | 21:17 |
| snap-l | ie: not them. :) | 21:18 |
| greg-g | heh | 21:19 |
| * krondor is still bitter about last.fm | 21:54 | |
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