[00:10]  * bkerensa is back in PDX :)
[00:10] <bkerensa> now time to go find some grub
[02:04] <nathwill> hey everybody!
[02:05] <nibalizer> hai!
[02:06] <nathwill> hey nibalizer. just got back from the movies, i believe we have our monthly IRC meeting scheduled for tonite, has anyone kicked it off yet?
[02:07] <jvlb> not so's you'd notice
[02:08] <nathwill> alrighty then. let's get things started. i'll send Ben a text to remind him. i imagine he's pretty tired from his trip
[02:08] <nathwill> #startmeeting
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[02:08] <nathwill> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Oregon Monthly IRC meeting for May 2012
[02:10] <nathwill> ok. looks like no specific agenda items have been added to the wiki. does anyone have anything they want to discuss?
[02:10] <nathwill> ref: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/Meetings/CurrentAgenda
[02:12] <nathwill> alrighty. :) i'll just mention a couple things going on, most of it's been mentioned on the mailing list before, but in case any one missed it.
[02:12] <blkperl> whens the next debian/ubuntu bug party?
[02:12] <nathwill> :)
[02:13] <nathwill> blkperl, i don't think anyone's started scheduling anything, but i'd definitely be interested.
[02:13] <nathwill> now that UDS is over, let's add that to our agenda, eh?
[02:13] <nathwill> #subtopic debian/ubuntu bug squashing party
[02:14] <blkperl> I can get a room at PSU if we want to have it there
[02:14] <nibalizer> yea lets do that
[02:15] <nathwill> perfect. i as just going to ask who'd hosted before. i think PSU is a great place to do it.
[02:16] <blkperl> nathwill: nibalizer and i can provide virtual machines as well
[02:16] <nathwill> blkperl: that sounds awesome. i should be able to do the same if more are needed.
[02:17] <nathwill> ok, so slangasek and kees i believe headed things up last time?
[02:17] <nathwill> or who steered the last one?
[02:18] <nathwill> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1454/detail/
[02:18] <nathwill> there's the details for the last BSP we had
[02:19] <nathwill> so last time we focused on multiarch, bitesize, packaging bugs.
[02:19] <nathwill> and SRU verification.
[02:20] <nathwill> i would think that that would still be a great set of things to focus on... y'all agree?
[02:20] <blkperl> yep that sounds good
[02:22] <nathwill> alright. to make sure we can get the word out and get the biggest possible participation, how does early June sound?
[02:22] <nathwill> i'm thinking a Saturday is most likely to be a day that people are free.
[02:22] <blkperl> hmm just a second, it needs to be after PSU finals
[02:22] <nathwill> ok
[02:22] <nathwill> what's that schedule like?
[02:22] <nibalizer> prolly best to do june 16 or so
[02:23] <blkperl> yes june 16
[02:23] <blkperl> or later
[02:23] <nathwill> ok. june 16 would be 3rd saturday. so maybe 16th, maybe 23rd.
[02:24] <blkperl> that sounds good
[02:24] <nathwill> let's do a followup on that on the mailing list so we can get broader input on availability.
[02:24] <nathwill> eh?
[02:24] <blkperl> yep
[02:25] <nathwill> great. that sounds like a good plan.
[02:25] <nathwill> anything else that we should address immediately on the topic of the next BSP?
[02:25] <nathwill> blkperl, i'm assuming it's relatively straightforward to get a room?
[02:26] <nibalizer> nathwill: yes
[02:26] <blkperl> nathwill: yep, we just need to know how many so we can get the correct room
[02:27] <blkperl> or a rough estimate :)
[02:27] <blkperl> which if people rsvp that will be fine
[02:27] <blkperl> also we have a room bigger than the puppetlabs area so we should be fine
[02:27] <nathwill> ok. thanks nibalizer.
[02:27] <nathwill> ok. sounds like we've got that dealt with as much as we can for the moment. you guys want to send the email asking for input on the preferred date, or should i?
[02:27] <nibalizer> we can provide wireless access, power, that stuff, food is allowed int he room but PSU won't pay for it
[02:28] <nathwill> yeah, i'll create the event on loco.ubuntu.com as soon as we get a date nailed, then people can start RSVP'ing.
[02:28] <nibalizer> nathwill: you should, i'm not even on the mailing list
[02:28] <nathwill> i'm thinking we'll collect input until Friday, if i send the mail tonite.
[02:28] <nathwill> ok. /msg nibalizer tsk tsk ;)
[02:28] <nathwill> lol
[02:29] <nathwill> anything else for BSP we need to figure out that isn't date dependent?
[02:31] <nibalizer> i've never done it before, so idunno
[02:32] <nathwill> ok. i can't think of anything, so let's call that covered for now.
[02:33] <nathwill> and we can follow up on the mailing list or in IRC throughout the week if anything else comes up.
[02:33] <nathwill> alright, next topic...
[02:34] <nathwill> #topic launchpad membership
[02:35] <nathwill> just a quick reminder in case you didn't get the mail... tracking membership on the wiki was really unwieldy, and loco council takes the membership in the loco-group to be more valid... so we've axed the membership list from the wiki
[02:35] <nathwill> if you haven't yet, please join the ~ubuntu-us-or group on launchpad
[02:36] <nathwill> #link https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-or
[02:36] <blkperl> done
[02:36] <nathwill> if you have any questions, feel free to message me or ben.
[02:36] <nathwill> thanks blkperl :)
[02:38] <nathwill> we're doing pretty well this year, just so y'all know in case you haven't seen it. we're currently 41 members strong, up 33% since december.
[02:39] <nathwill> so thank you all. it's been a super exciting year to be involved, and people are starting to realize that Ubuntu Oregon is a great team in the Ubuntu Community. let's keep the momentum going
[02:40] <nathwill> any questions on membership before we move to the next topic?
[02:41] <nathwill> as a related note, bkerensa has expressed interest in helping anyone interested in pursuing Ubuntu Membership. I'm looking at the list of things and will probably be applying sometime in the next few months.
[02:41] <nathwill> if you're interested, feel free to send Ben a mail for tips.
[02:42] <blkperl> what does Ubuntu Membership entail?
[02:43] <nathwill> Ubuntu Membership is effectively a recognition of ongoing contribution to the community.
[02:44] <nathwill> there's a lot of criteria they consider to be contribution, not strictly bugs/code/docs, etc... if you're active in the support community, these types of things make a difference too
[02:45] <nathwill> as far as benefits, Ubuntu Members can vote in the selection of Community Council's board, you get an @ubuntu.com email, and other misc perks
[02:45] <nathwill> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership)
[02:46] <blkperl> interesting
[02:47] <nathwill> yeah. i'm generally pretty skeptical of "belonging" to an organization, but from what i can tell, this is a genuinely mutually beneficial way to get more involved with the community
[02:48] <nathwill> alrighty... any other questions on launchpad/ubuntu membership?
[02:50] <nathwill> alright...
[02:50] <nathwill> 2 more quick things...
[02:50] <nathwill> #topic Ubuntu Hours
[02:51] <nathwill> so i went and hung out at Ava Roasteria in Beaverton last week
[02:51] <nathwill> and nobody showed. :(
[02:51] <nathwill> is Beaverton not convenient? I'm willing to move downtown if anyone is interested and has a location suggestion.
[02:58] <nathwill> ugh.
[02:58] <nathwill> silly wifi.
[02:58] <nibalizer> nathwill: persistent connection?
[02:58] <nathwill> yeaaah...
[02:59] <nathwill> i reorganized the hardware in our office, and i think i picked the wrong corner for the router.
[02:59] <nibalizer> :(
[03:00] <nathwill> lol. it gets better too... stupid wifi signal booster can't get a gps signal, so i need to go snag a 20 ft ethernet cable so i can move the booster closer to the window
[03:00] <nathwill> anyways... after the intro talk, i'd like to get some volunteers to do technology demos on anything they're interested in showing off
[03:01] <nathwill> whether that be puppet, lxc, whatever.
[03:01] <nathwill> even a standard LAMP session would be great.
[03:01] <nibalizer> nathwill: when is this?
[03:01] <nathwill> nibalizer. i want to have the overview this month, probably the last weekend.
[03:02] <nathwill> after that, maybe bi-weekly, or once monthly...
[03:06] <nibalizer> hrm, i migt be able to make it, end of may/early june is finals and starting a new job so i can't promise you anything
[03:07] <nathwill> ok.
[03:07] <nathwill> well, i'll send an announcement as soon as we get it nailed down.
[03:08] <nathwill> any other questions about any topic at all?
[03:08] <nibalizer> no from me :)
[03:08] <nathwill> ok then!
[03:08] <nathwill> #endmeeting
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[03:09] <nathwill> well, thanks for coming everyone. :)
[03:09] <nathwill> i need to run get some avocados, but i'll be back later.
[03:09] <nathwill> y'all have a great night if i don't see ya later.
[04:40] <cy1> dangit
[04:40] <cy1> I would have totally showed up at Ava. I've even been there before.
[04:41] <cy1> Not that I would have been helpful, but hey.
[16:23] <kees> nathwill: slangasek was suggesting we do a "enable dh compat 9" focus for a future BSP. I'd love to help with that, if/when it happens.
[16:24] <nathwill> ok, that sounds great.
[16:25] <nathwill> did y'all catch the meeting minutes from last night?
[16:25] <nathwill> we're thinking 16th or 23rd of June for date.
[16:26] <nathwill> ^kees/slangasek
[16:26] <kees> nathwill: my head is still spinning from travel. those dates sound fine to me. slangasek: whachuthink?
[16:27] <nathwill> kees: blkperl said he could get us a room at PSU for venue.
[16:35] <slangasek> nathwill, kees: AFAIK I'm free either date
[16:36] <nathwill> kees, slangasek, great. i'll send the email to the list w/ the call for input on preferred of the 2 dates.
[16:41] <nathwill> kees, slangasek: see anything at UDS that you're excited about?
[16:42] <kees> nathwill: I'm cautiously optimistic about Ubuntu TV, though it is very very young. I remain excited about juju just because I like the leverage it can give people. a lot of the charms are still pretty rough, though.
[16:44] <nathwill> kees, i agree w/ the current state of charms. i almost think it was a bit early to start accepting charms when juju is still so dynamic
[16:45] <nathwill> kees: also, ubuntu tv is exciting idea, but seems remote... i'll be ecstatic when i see it available on a consumer device, though.
[16:46] <kees> some of the low-level things going on remain exciting for me -- secure boot progress, RAID/LVM work that I need to help with, securing the nvidia driver, etc
[16:47] <nathwill> kees, i'm assuming that first bit is UEFI work? has the community reached any concensus on some kind of signing authority?
[16:48] <kees> nathwill: not sure, but several of the canonical kernel folks were picking my brain about what chrome os does for its secure boot. mostly we can cheat since we rely on the firmware for really early checks, and then we have a read-only root filesystem.
[16:48] <kees> so there are still a lot of challenges for a general-purpose OS to do a uefi secure boot
[16:48] <kees> but it sounds like it's moving along _relatively_ sanely. :P
[16:50] <nathwill> kees: i'm sure a solution will emerge, but chances are things're gonna get messy before it does... hopefully oem's will be shipping with either the option to turn it off or set manual trust.
[16:50] <nathwill> kees: also, your "securing nvidia driver" intrigues me.. you have a link i can do some reading on?
[16:54] <kees> nathwill: not really, most of the nvidia stuff was hallway discussion. basically, the recent nvidia security update caused me and a few other people to start taking a closer look at the nvidia driver, and we all came away rather pale. it's not a safe driver, but I'm hoping that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/979307 will take care of the bulk of the exposure.
[16:55] <kees> bottom line -- if you're running a server that happens to have the nvidia drivers installed, look out. :)
[16:55] <nathwill> why the hell would you install binary video drivers on a server
[16:55] <kees> some people install with the desktop CD, e.g.
[16:56] <kees> it's rare, but does happen.
[17:02] <nathwill> huh.
[17:02] <nathwill> but yeah, that seems a pretty serious bug
[17:03] <kees> it wouldn't be so bad if it did any kind of perms checking in the driver code. :P the fuse driver is world-writable, but that's because it does the ACLs internally. :P
[17:22] <nathwill> iiinteresting...
[18:14] <slangasek> nathwill: the move to python3 for 12.10 is fun :)
[18:27] <nathwill> ha
[18:27] <nathwill> if by fun you mean, "break everything"
[20:19] <nathwill> bkerensa: when do you want to head down to OSL?
[20:27] <slangasek> nah, it won't break everything
[20:27] <slangasek> just things that are already using unicode badly :)
[20:49] <bkerensa> nathwill: uhh when we have SATA's and a rail kit plus OSL has not yet responded to me
[20:50] <nathwill> ah
[20:50] <nathwill> no answer yet, eh?
[20:51] <bkerensa> nope the ticket is still new status
[20:56] <bkerensa> nathwill: I just checked and they said something to the effect of someone mentioned it but no its not even been processed or evaluated yet
[20:56] <nathwill> ah
[20:56] <bkerensa> I know about 6 months ago I had but in a ticket for shared hosting with OSL and they absolutely never responded to that ticket so *shrugs*
[20:56] <nathwill> ok.
[20:56] <nathwill> well, fingers crossed
[22:01] <bkerensa> wow
[22:02] <bkerensa> so Chase is going to charge me money to accept a incoming Wire transfer
[22:02] <bkerensa> pff
[22:06] <nathwill> yay banks
[22:06] <bkerensa> ikr
[22:06] <bkerensa> :D
[22:07] <bkerensa> and this expense form is ridiculously broken anyways
[22:07] <bkerensa> the date formatting is all broken
[22:07] <nathwill> http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/discordian_calendar.html
[22:07] <nathwill> HTH
[22:10] <bkerensa> nathwill: ahh in Europe they do DD/MM/YYYY
[22:10] <bkerensa> =/
[22:10] <bkerensa> not MM/DD/YYYY
[22:10] <nathwill> .:| instead of :.|
[22:10] <nathwill> makes sense
[22:14] <nathwill> kinda like metric vs. imperial. :(
[22:42] <tgm4883> nathwill, technically, YYYYMMDD makes more sense
[22:42] <tgm4883> much easier for sorting
[22:47] <nathwill> agreed. and that's why most db's do things that way
[22:47] <nathwill> but for day-to-day usability, the range you're covering generally does not span years
[22:48] <bkerensa> kees: How is that Windows logo engraved Ubuntu Ultrabook? :)
[23:10] <kees> bkerensa: so far so good. my wife has been the primary user so far. she even likes unity with it.
[23:20] <sbeattie> kees: she likes unity with that laptop> really? Innnnteresting. Is it just that it's faster than her desktop that's the difference?
[23:40] <kees> sbeattie: I think combined with the very fast rendering speed, the overly wide screen, and the trackpad, the interface is okay. and I showed her how to find applications via the filters