[06:46] <inetpro> sp
[06:47] <inetpro> good morning world
[06:54] <sakhi> Morning
[06:55] <superfly> heya sakhi
[06:55] <superfly> morning inetpro
[07:11] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[08:33] <rossouwap> morning - anybody here using evolution for mail and gnome-shell instead of unity?
[08:39] <Reenen> I use gmail pretty much exclusively, or the locked in outlook for work
[08:39] <Reenen> :-(
[08:40] <Reenen> I haven't got latest installed yet
[08:40] <Reenen> Getting repo from my dad sometime
[09:03] <rossouwap> ok, thanks Reenen
[09:08] <charlvn> [6~
[09:08] <charlvn> aargh sorry, strange why that keeps happening to me
[09:08] <charlvn> rossouwap: not using evolution but am using gnome shell on my one laptop
[09:09] <charlvn> what exactly seems to be the problem?
[09:09] <rossouwap> hi charlvn, not so much a problem as much as trying to figure out if it's limited to my machines or not
[09:10] <charlvn> ah, what'
[09:10] <charlvn> what's happening?
[09:10] <rossouwap> totally random, when I have a mail open and want to click in the body to copy some text - highlights from a completely random location. Makes it nearly impossible to copy text out of the mail body.
[09:10] <charlvn> that's very irritating
[09:10] <rossouwap> indeed
[09:11] <charlvn> are you running gnome-shell in 2d or 3d mode?
[09:17] <rossouwap> 3d - is only evolution that has this issue
[09:18] <rossouwap> had a similar thing with Unity and Evolution, where if Evolution was open, the alt-tab switcher refused to be on top of the windows
[09:18] <charlvn> in have had some strange behaviour in gnome 3d myself
[09:18] <rossouwap> now that was annoying
[09:18] <charlvn> i found unity to be very buggy which is why i moved to gnome 3d
[09:18] <charlvn> it's better but still buggy
[09:19] <charlvn> a lot of applications seem to work fine but you get strange behaviour in some
[09:19] <rossouwap> indeed, I like the shell
[09:19] <charlvn> on this computer i am currently just running kde and it seems to be much more stable
[09:20] <charlvn> which is strange cause it used to be the opposite - kde 4.x used to be a disaster compared to the "classic" gnome
[09:20] <charlvn> and so the tables turn and all that
[09:20] <charlvn> frankly i am ready to just go back to using openbox
[09:29] <rossouwap> lol
[09:30] <rossouwap> saw something last night that looked pretty hardcore - lemme find it quick
[09:31] <rossouwap> http://xmonad.org/
[09:31] <Kerbero> hmm
[09:31] <Kerbero> i don't like xmonad
[09:32] <Kerbero> the idea is too eccentric for me
[09:32] <Kerbero> eksentriek
[09:32] <Kerbero> weird
[09:35] <bakuman> lol, nice little penguin at the keyboard: http://www.haskell.org/wikiupload/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg
[09:42] <inetpro> superfly: ping
[09:43] <superfly> inetpro: pong
[09:43] <inetpro> you running quasselcore 0.8.0 yet?
[09:43] <superfly> inetpro: no, my VPS is still running 10.04
[09:43] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:44] <inetpro> does it make a difference?
[09:44] <bakuman> superfly, who are you renting the vps from?
[09:44] <inetpro> are you not running the static core?
[09:44] <superfly> bakuman: Linode.com
[09:44] <superfly> inetpro: no
[09:44] <inetpro> ahh
[09:44]  * inetpro wants to switch to the new static version
[09:45] <inetpro> guess I shall be brave and just do it
[09:46] <inetpro> not a lot of documentation of changes
[09:47]  * inetpro wbb
[09:47] <bakuman> superfly, is the service good? because they are way more expensive than trustVPS
[09:49] <inetpro> superfly: heh, it worked
[09:50] <superfly> bakuman: I haven't had any problems
[09:50] <bakuman> okay
[09:50] <superfly> bakuman: at least, none from them... most of the issues I have had have been self-induced ;-)
[09:51] <bakuman> lol, it happens
[09:52] <superfly> they have nice graphs and a dns manager... I'm very happy
[09:53] <bakuman> cool
[09:53] <Reenen> rossouwap: sometimes when you have HTML text it can't be copied and pasted (using outlook anyway) I presume there is some tag or something in the code preventing it
[09:54] <Reenen> I've never had the issue with RTF email settings
[09:54] <Reenen> on outlook I exclusively use RTF, but lots of people like the HTML emails
[09:54] <rossouwap> Reenen, it's not an HTML, RTF or text thing
[09:55] <Reenen> ok
[09:55] <rossouwap> it's specific to Evolution and gnome-shell - I don't have this issue when running Unity or Thunderbird. Thanks for the suggestions though.
[10:29] <nuvolari> bakuman: my linode uptime: 395d13h
[10:29] <nuvolari> I think that's a good sign :P
[10:31] <bakuman> nice
[14:26] <inetpro> yikes!
[14:26]  * inetpro was just struggling with a terribly basic networking issue
[14:27] <inetpro> could not get the laptop connected to the wired network
[14:27] <inetpro> only to find that the NIC was disabled in the BIOS
[14:28] <superfly> heh
[14:28] <superfly> it's always the silly little things
[14:29] <inetpro> such a waste of time
[14:29]  * inetpro getting to old for this :-)
[14:30] <bakuman> lol at python thread: lol "If you want that behavior now, just import that "from the future""
[14:31] <bakuman> "from __future__ import division"
[14:42] <charlvn> inetpro: yeah but seriously, who expects that... i wouldn't either
[14:44] <charlvn> bakuman: yeah they do that to maintain backwards compatibility in python 2.x but if you use python 3 it should be the default behaviour
[14:44] <inetpro> charlvn: I thought I hit a major bug in kubuntu with the specific hardware
[14:45] <superfly> charlvn: actually, they did that to make it easier to move to Python 3
[14:45] <superfly> Python 2.7 is supposed to be a step between Python 2.x and Python 3.x
[14:45] <superfly> The reality is that Python 3 is not really ready for the prime time.
[14:47] <charlvn> superfly: that too
[14:49] <charlvn> superfly: why is python 3 not ready for the prime time?
[14:50] <superfly> http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2011/12/7/thoughts-on-python3/
[14:50] <zeref> hi guys
[14:51] <superfly> yo zeref
[14:51] <inetpro> superfly: hmm...
[14:51] <inetpro> written on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
[14:51] <zeref> need a java fundie, i keep getting missing return statment
[14:51] <zeref> http://pastebin.com/fmgPcJH6
[14:51] <zeref> hi superfly 
[14:52] <superfly> zeref: what are you trying to do?
[14:53] <inetpro> zeref: that an assignment?
[14:53] <zeref> if a certain condition is met (reading a line in a file), it must return true else false, i've added them in (return statements) but i still get the missing return error
[14:54] <zeref> inetpro: yeah Student enrollment project for varsity
[14:54] <superfly> zeref: Your logic is incorrect
[14:56] <superfly> zeref: what does "return" do, and what happens to a "return" inside a "for" loop?
[14:57] <zeref> oh :P, saw it
[14:58] <charlvn> assign the boolean to a variable, break out of the loop and return it at the bottom
[14:58] <charlvn> there is nothing forcing the loop to execute the code at least once
[14:58] <charlvn> we know it does, but the compiler doesn't
[14:59] <charlvn> superfly: extremely interesting article, still busy reading
[15:10] <charlvn> bbl
[15:18] <superfly> zeref: coming right?
[15:25] <zeref> hmmm
[15:26] <zeref> i aasigned the boolean to a variable broke out the loop, now cannot find symbol, its a problem of local variable scope
[15:26] <zeref> *cannot find variable
[15:27] <superfly> Heh.
[15:27] <zeref> java dooes not have global varibales
[15:27] <zeref> :-(
[15:28] <superfly> zeref: you don't need global variables, they break logic.
[15:28] <superfly> zeref: you do, however, need an appropriately placed local variable
[15:30] <superfly> zeref: and this is not Java-specific. I could give you the exact same problem in C++, Python and Ruby, and the solution would be the same in all of them.
[15:31] <zeref> i see, reminds of an issue i had with python a while back :-)
[15:33] <superfly> zeref: pretend the loop doesn't exist, and I don't want the else in your if statement
[15:36] <superfly> zeref: do you follow me?
[15:37] <zeref> yep, working on it.
[15:55] <superfly> zeref: is it working yet?
[15:58] <zeref> lol no, i can feel that i'm missing somethig small
[15:58] <superfly> Pastebin the code
[15:59] <superfly> zeref: remember, they're not testing your Java skills, they're testing how you think
[16:01] <zeref> http://pastebin.com/bxVRKbun
[16:02] <zeref> i can feel i'm missing something small, myb need 5 min breka
[16:07] <superfly> zeref: what's the exact wording of the question?
[16:09] <superfly> zeref: i gotta go, my station is next.
[18:12] <inetpro> good evening 
[18:51] <Kilos> evening everybody
[18:51] <Kilos> quick coffee before bed
[18:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee ob
[18:51] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[18:52] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:52]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:52] <Kilos> not what? I bed your pardon you cheeky bot
[18:53] <Kilos> yo nuvolari als goed daar ??
[18:54] <Kilos> en met julle superfly en inetpro 
[18:54] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:55] <superfly> alles goed, net besig
[18:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:56] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:56] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:58] <zeref> superfly: fixed needed to add provate static boolean result on top of the method
[19:06] <nuvolari> lo om Kilos 
[19:06] <nuvolari> dit is maar net-net oom
[19:06] <Kilos> wat nuvolari 
[19:07] <Kilos> o
[19:07] <Kilos> haha is jy siek?
[19:08] <nuvolari> nee oom :P net aan die gang
[19:08] <nuvolari> gaan darm goed andersins
[19:09] <inetpro> hiho Kilos
[19:10] <Kilos> lo inetpro koud ne
[19:10] <inetpro> hmm.... die koue kom nog
[19:13] <Kilos> eish ek kry al klaar swaar
[19:16] <inetpro> ja hy begin al byt, veral in die oggende
[19:17] <Kilos> nie meer lekker op n bromponie nie
[19:20] <Kilos> sleep tight guys. see you tomorrow night
[19:20] <Kilos> Tonberry, meeting on the 21st hey?
[19:21] <Kilos> 1930
[19:21] <Tonberry> mmm
[19:21] <Kilos> no time for beer evening
[19:21] <Tonberry> oh
[19:21] <Tonberry> ok
[19:21] <Kilos> lol\
[19:21] <Tonberry> Kerbero beer evening 21st @ 1930?
[19:22] <Tonberry> :P
[19:22] <Kerbero> lol
[19:23] <Kilos> haha
[19:23] <Kilos> Kerbero, dont listen to him
[19:23] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos 
[19:23] <nuvolari> lekker slaap
[19:23] <Kilos> night guys
[19:23] <Kilos> jy ook dankie seun
[19:23] <nuvolari> dankie oom