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| ochosi | morning | 06:58 |
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| Unit193 | Hello. | 07:00 |
| * genii-around makes a fresh pot of coffee | 07:01 | |
| ochosi | good idea | 07:01 |
| knome | hai. | 08:57 |
| knome | uoh | 08:57 |
| ochosi | where are all the u-studio guys? :) | 09:39 |
| knome | heh, no idea | 09:40 |
| knome | we should see if the proposed roadmap items are doable | 10:03 |
| knome | eg. i don't think "new panel plug in (applet)" is in the scope for xubuntu developers | 10:04 |
| knome | or, i don't know, but if the team is the same, it's not doable | 10:04 |
| ochosi | haven't looked at the roadmap lately | 10:08 |
| mr_pouit | especially since there are already several "monitor" plugins, more or less unmaintained | 10:13 |
| knome | mmh | 10:13 |
| john- | guys, is there a package that contains the default xfterm4 color scheme? Xubuntu's new scheme infers with almost every application I'm trying to use. (like mc, aptitude, but even nano) | 10:16 |
| mr_pouit | you can edit /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/Terminal/terminalrc and drop ColorPalette* | 10:18 |
| mr_pouit | (well, all color options actually) | 10:18 |
| john- | ty | 10:19 |
| ochosi | john-: we're reviewing our term-colors for the next release, would be great if you would participate (at least by giving your feedback or by testing) | 10:19 |
| john- | sure thing, I saw that point in the roadmap plan on the wiki | 10:19 |
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| ochosi | ah ok | 10:19 |
| ochosi | just wanted to be sure to mention it | 10:19 |
| ochosi | there aren't that many users around here who use lots of term-apps | 10:20 |
| ochosi | i use irssi and vim, those two look ok | 10:20 |
| ochosi | (and man obviously :) ) | 10:20 |
| john- | :) | 10:20 |
| ochosi | john-: i read you wanna help out with xfce? | 10:20 |
| john- | to me, terminal is a selling point in Linux, or even on a Mac. Okay, Windows got cmd, and powershell, but I still can't get myself to learn all the powershell applets, syntax, etc. | 10:21 |
| john- | yepp. I checked out the Xubuntu bugtracker first, but I figured it out if you import all the Debian packages at start anyway, helping XFCE would be better | 10:21 |
| ochosi | right, what areas were you thinking of? | 10:21 |
| john- | uhm sorting out the bugs (bugtracker), helping with bugs (bugfixing, see if I can fix some of them, propose patches that fix the problem, and won't introduce new ones) | 10:22 |
| ochosi | sounds good | 10:22 |
| john- | nothing *too* big at first, but something that would help the project | 10:22 |
| ochosi | xfce can definitely use your help | 10:22 |
| ochosi | and yeah, you're right, it's probably best to work with upstream | 10:22 |
| knome | +1 | 10:23 |
| ochosi | although we could also use helping hands :) | 10:23 |
| ochosi | our maintenance load will increase with the next release (we'll have to maintain the gtk2-indicators ourselves) | 10:23 |
| knome | xubuntu benefits from fixing bugs in xfce, and if we didn't benefit from *all* fixed bugs, i'm still happy | 10:23 |
| knome | :) | 10:23 |
| john- | just tell me which area you need the help and I'll take a look | 10:23 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: do you think it's realistic that we fix power-man to use a gtk2-indicator? | 10:23 |
| john- | as far as I saw, even sorting out the stupid reports would help a lot :)) | 10:24 |
| ochosi | heh | 10:24 |
| ochosi | true | 10:24 |
| knome | john-, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ | 10:24 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: nick touched a bit xfpm for 4.10, so maybe he cleaned it up (so then it might be feasible) | 10:24 |
| knome | john-, \o/ | 10:24 |
| knome | err, mr_pouit ^ :D | 10:24 |
| john- | on it knome , ty! | 10:25 |
| knome | john-, there's other things too if you have more "appetite" for them, but otoh, that definitely is a good starting point :) | 10:25 |
| knome | madnick, ? | 10:26 |
| knome | "a way to save a xfce4 Panel config for using it when we add a new user" | 10:33 |
| knome | isn't that just backuping the panel preferences and copying to new user? | 10:33 |
| knome | or using skel | 10:33 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: i dunno how far he really cleaned it up, i just remember him complaining about it a lot | 10:52 |
| knome | well, doesn't complaining a lot eventually make the code clean itself? | 10:52 |
| ochosi | bbl | 10:54 |
| astraljava | It's like cursing, it takes away the pain. :) | 10:54 |
| knome | ochosi went complaining? oh my :) | 10:58 |
| madnick | knome: ? | 11:08 |
| knome | madnick, you still up to updating the lightdm and plymouth themes? :) | 11:09 |
| madnick | yes | 11:09 |
| knome | ok, so what about maintaining the lightdm gtk-greeter? | 11:09 |
| madnick | the old one? | 11:10 |
| madnick | original* | 11:10 |
| knome | yeah, many people still use it | 11:10 |
| knome | i don't think it needs much updating, just keeping it in one piece :P | 11:11 |
| madnick | is the current maintainer giving up? | 11:11 |
| knome | ask mr_pouit for details :) | 11:11 |
| madnick | oh he is the maintainer | 11:12 |
| andrzejr | Guys, just wanted to let you know that xfce4-panel optionally uses some features from libwnck 2.31.0. | 12:46 |
| andrzejr | if you look at the second screenshot at http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install-xfce-410-in-xubuntu-1204.html the workspace switcher has a distorted aspect ratio. | 12:47 |
| andrzejr | the new libwnck version fixes it (the panel has to be rebuilt in order to make use of it) | 12:48 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: oh yes, i noticed that before (i mean the problem, not the solution) | 13:11 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: thanks for the heads-up! | 13:11 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: did you notice you were downgraded to a "xubuntu contributor" by webupd8? :D | 13:13 |
| baizon | =) | 13:14 |
| ochosi | ahoi bluesabre | 13:21 |
| bluesabre | hey, hows it going? | 13:22 |
| ochosi | good good, a bit busy, but generally fine | 13:22 |
| ochosi | on your end? | 13:22 |
| bluesabre | pretty slow, but not too bad | 13:22 |
| ochosi | good | 13:22 |
| bluesabre | did you get some feedback on blackbird? | 13:23 |
| ochosi | no, nothing so far :] | 13:24 |
| ochosi | just looking at your xfconf-query code | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | I think it looks pretty good. Just a bit too dark for me (been spoiled by bluebird) | 13:25 |
| ochosi | guess calling the shell is rather costly | 13:25 |
| ochosi | ah, you tried it? | 13:25 |
| ochosi | nice | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | For a little while | 13:25 |
| ochosi | it still has quite a few quirks, mostly treeviews etc | 13:26 |
| ochosi | but yeah, i wanted to try something really dark | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | I've been working on the vala port for the kso. m8t pointed me in a few directions for getting the valas with xfconf in c/vala | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | *values | 13:26 |
| ochosi | right, does it look manageable? | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | yeah, should have something functional this week | 13:27 |
| ochosi | cool | 13:27 |
| ochosi | i guess some of the plugins could also serve as examples for querying xfconf | 13:27 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 13:27 |
| ochosi | have you tried adding buttons like notifyd does? | 13:28 |
| bluesabre | I haven't. What kind of functionality would we use buttons for? Go to keyboard shortcuts? | 13:29 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'd add an edit-button to each header that takes you directly to the corresponding settings-window | 13:31 |
| bluesabre | That's a good idea | 13:31 |
| ochosi | because the shortcuts are split up in different dialogs | 13:31 |
| ochosi | so users would have to dig to find a specific setting | 13:32 |
| bluesabre | true | 13:32 |
| bluesabre | I'll add that in. | 13:32 |
| ochosi | theoretically we could also let them assign keys from the overlay, but that's kinda duplicating... | 13:32 |
| bluesabre | that might be more difficult. The overlay should probably only show when holding the launcher/modifier key, right? | 13:33 |
| ochosi | yes, that was the original plan | 13:33 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: yeah, I know, but I didn't feel pedantic enough to tell them (a developer is a contributor after all :p) | 13:40 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: say, do you have a clue how we could call a programm when the super-key is held down for e.g. 2 seconds minimum? | 13:44 |
| ochosi | usually it's either you press the shortcut, or you don't | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I was thinking of having the program start as a minimal mode with a timer, then if the key is still held down, show the interface. | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | (assuming you're talking about the kso) | 13:45 |
| ochosi | yup, i am :) | 13:45 |
| bluesabre | though there might be a better way :D | 13:45 |
| ochosi | yeah, i was wondering about that | 13:45 |
| ochosi | whether there is something in X or xfce we can use instead of running our own little timer | 13:46 |
| bluesabre | and that would be good, because I can detect press and release events, but I have no idea how to tell if something is already pressed when the program starts | 13:46 |
| ochosi | just imagine someone hits the super-key twice exactly in the right interval for the timer by accident :p | 13:46 |
| bluesabre | good point | 13:47 |
| ochosi | well, you could poll for the shortcut more often than twice (beginning and end) | 13:47 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 13:47 |
| ochosi | i have no clue whether that would create much overhead with people using the super key a lot | 13:47 |
| bluesabre | still not sure how to tell button states. I don't think its doable in python-gi, but probably with vala or c | 13:48 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's why i thought i'd start asking around | 13:48 |
| mr_pouit | you can't do that with xfce4-settings afaik (it's only here for kbd shortcuts, so it only detects keypresses) | 13:56 |
| mr_pouit | you'll have to do like xfce4-volumed I guess, session-autostart and grab the key youself | 13:57 |
| mr_pouit | +r | 13:57 |
| ochosi | ah right | 14:04 |
| ochosi | volumed is a good place to look | 14:04 |
| ochosi | (although jannis didn't really praise the code last time we talked about that) | 14:05 |
| mr_pouit | (yeah, simply close your eyes when you see the list of keys grabbed) | 14:06 |
| bluesabre | ok | 14:06 |
| mr_pouit | e.g. it grabs XF86AudioRaiseVolume plus all possible modifiers, by hand: http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-volumed/tree/src/xvd_keys.c#n84 | 14:06 |
| ochosi | uargh | 14:09 |
| ochosi | did you _have to_ link directly to the ugliest section? :} | 14:09 |
| bluesabre | haha | 14:12 |
| GridCube | :/ | 14:59 |
| GridCube | the "brainstorming" passed along me and i didnt even noticed it | 14:59 |
| GridCube | can we really, really, really have schudeled meetings please? | 14:59 |
| ochosi | did you have any ideas you would've wanted to put in the roadmap? | 15:02 |
| knome | GridCube, feel free to add your ideas to the brainstorming now, but do it ASAP | 15:05 |
| knome | GridCube, i'm going to run votes at the end of this week (or start of next) | 15:05 |
| knome | GridCube, and i've already called for assignees too, so people are probably looking already | 15:06 |
| GridCube | yes i know thats why i said it | 15:06 |
| GridCube | :( | 15:06 |
| GridCube | i wanted to propose use of arandr and cheese as pre-installed programs | 15:07 |
| knome | please do it now – technically, the roadmap has been open for submissions since i created that page, so longer than it was officially on | 15:07 |
| GridCube | can i add it as a late entry box and leave it there to be considered with a maybe? | 15:08 |
| knome | nah, just add it to the regular table | 15:08 |
| ochosi | +1 | 15:08 |
| GridCube | i know is that the mail got lost | 15:08 |
| knome | we haven't started "considering" yet | 15:08 |
| knome | that's what we reserved this week for | 15:08 |
| * knome is investigating how the launchpad polls work | 15:09 | |
| ochosi | ah, polls | 15:09 |
| ochosi | good idea | 15:09 |
| ochosi | was wondering how we'd do it | 15:09 |
| knome | hehe | 15:09 |
| knome | yeah, you know, that's why i set the test poll today for ~sp :P | 15:09 |
| knome | so we can see how that looks like | 15:09 |
| ochosi | knome: stuff like "re-think panels", would you put that as a separate work-item? i didn't yet because it's something we _should_ do every cycle anyway... | 15:10 |
| knome | no, that doesn't really need a blueprint | 15:10 |
| knome | you got to remember the items on the list are blueprints, which can contain a lot of work items and bugs that are attached | 15:10 |
| knome | so it doesn't make sense to add every little thing to the list, just add those little things as work items | 15:11 |
| ochosi | yeah | 15:11 |
| ochosi | i saw you haven't merged the "appearance-improvements" yet | 15:11 |
| knome | no, not yet | 15:11 |
| ochosi | sorry, i also didn't get round to it | 15:11 |
| GridCube | done | 15:11 |
| knome | GridCube, thanks :) | 15:11 |
| knome | so... | 15:12 |
| knome | who's going to volunteer as an assignee for the application blueprints? | 15:12 |
| ochosi | pff :) | 15:12 |
| * ochosi hides | 15:13 | |
| knome | the monitor management item (as well as the apt-offline item) is merely a decision-thing | 15:13 |
| knome | no need for huge comparisons, or even assignees | 15:13 |
| ochosi | you mean whether we throw one of the monitor-plugins into the panel by default? | 15:14 |
| ochosi | what's "Add optimum partitioning option to install options" ? | 15:14 |
| knome | no, i mean seeding arandr/grandr | 15:14 |
| knome | i've no idea | 15:14 |
| knome | i'm thinking it might mean that somebody wants the installation to calculate something | 15:14 |
| knome | or just propose 10GB / and rest as /home, if HDD space >40GB | 15:14 |
| ochosi | yeah, but that's completely out of our hands anyway | 15:14 |
| knome | or sth... | 15:14 |
| knome | well, i suppose we could affect that, but i'm not sure how useful that is | 15:15 |
| ochosi | dvd support is an interesting proposal | 15:15 |
| knome | for majority of people, installing to one partition is completely fine, even makes sense | 15:15 |
| knome | aren't we seeding *something* with the package already? | 15:15 |
| knome | and libdvdcss... | 15:15 |
| ochosi | are we? | 15:16 |
| ochosi | i'm not sure | 15:16 |
| knome | i thought there was going to be something like the flashplugin-nonfree-installer | 15:16 |
| ochosi | if we are, then we can delete that item | 15:16 |
| knome | so libdvdcss would be downloaded automatically | 15:16 |
| knome | (currently you need to run a bash script from /etc/docs or sth) | 15:16 |
| ochosi | anyway, i think that we should make it easier to install the restricted extras via ubiquity | 15:16 |
| ochosi | currently people can only decide to install mp3 codecs | 15:16 |
| knome | yeah. i'm wondering why the mp3 -codecs appear there, but not the -extras | 15:17 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 15:17 |
| ochosi | instead they should be able to install restricted extras | 15:17 |
| ochosi | that's what most want anyway | 15:17 |
| knome | yup, that makes sense | 15:17 |
| ochosi | question is: do we have anyone who can take on this task | 15:17 |
| ochosi | astraljava maybe? | 15:17 |
| knome | well, astraljava worked with ubiquity the last cycle | 15:17 |
| knome | and i'm sure we'd get help from stgraber most probably anyway | 15:17 |
| ochosi | wow, lubuntu-software center is really light | 15:18 |
| ochosi | ~1mb | 15:18 |
| knome | mmh, btw, i realized one day | 15:19 |
| knome | i want to keep synaptic, because i *really* prefer it to any other package manager i've seen | 15:19 |
| knome | but i don't use it pretty much at all anyway, i'm just using apt-get | 15:19 |
| knome | (and apt-cache) | 15:19 |
| ochosi | i'm not sure keeping synaptic is a consistent choice | 15:20 |
| ochosi | i mean with the general direction of the distro | 15:20 |
| knome | no, probably not | 15:20 |
| ochosi | personally i think it's overly complicated for newbies | 15:20 |
| ochosi | and i use it only sometimes | 15:20 |
| knome | imo it's really simple... | 15:20 |
| ochosi | but it's not hard for me to install it | 15:20 |
| knome | just type your search, then install | 15:20 |
| knome | but... | 15:20 |
| astraljava | ochosi: knome: I'm sorry, what exactly? I haven't looked at the blueprints at all, yet. | 15:20 |
| knome | astraljava, hehe, well, please do look at them this week, and set yourself as assignee to a few ;) | 15:21 |
| ochosi | astraljava: just the "random" idea of throwing an option to install xubuntu-restricted-extras into ubiquity-installer | 15:21 |
| knome | astraljava, we were discussing the option to offer installing -restricted-extras instead of just the mp3 codecs | 15:21 |
| knome | astraljava, -> Analyze and optimize boot times | 15:21 |
| knome | astraljava, i'm waiting for you to pick that up | 15:22 |
| knome | :) | 15:22 |
| astraljava | ochosi: Ahh... yes, I should be able to take that. I need to work on the ubiquity tasks anyway. | 15:22 |
| bluesabre | +1 for lubuntu-software-center | 15:22 |
| ochosi | knome: take a look at lubuntu-software center please. it's not too bad. if we get a chance to work on it with them, it might be ok instead of USC | 15:22 |
| bluesabre | never used it before you guys just mentioned it, but its nice | 15:22 |
| astraljava | knome: Well, sure, I'm interested about that as well. | 15:22 |
| knome | astraljava, yeah, me too, but i'm not setting me as an assignee before somebody with technical skills is on it. | 15:23 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: it does seem to have some flaws, like not really showing all results... | 15:24 |
| knome | ochosi, the preferences -dialog is a bit confusing, with no descriptions | 15:24 |
| knome | ochosi, and is that a custom widget?? | 15:24 |
| ochosi | knome: which one? | 15:25 |
| knome | ochosi, the on/off | 15:25 |
| knome | ochosi, in preferences | 15:25 |
| ochosi | knome: no, that's the gtk-switch. it's not themed correctly with greybird as it is in 12.04, patch has been in git for a while already | 15:25 |
| knome | ok | 15:25 |
| ochosi | it's a new gtk3 widget | 15:25 |
| knome | astraljava, well i just removed you from the "app sets" ;) | 15:26 |
| astraljava | I noticed. Why? | 15:26 |
| knome | well, i'm not sure if we will run that. | 15:26 |
| knome | but yeah, feel free to be the assignee | 15:26 |
| astraljava | Yep. | 15:26 |
| knome | just be ready for the situation where you have less work than expected | 15:26 |
| knome | OMG!! | 15:26 |
| ochosi | why? | 15:26 |
| ochosi | i mean why wouldn't we want the app-sets? | 15:26 |
| knome | ochosi, well, what's the status of the a11y set? | 15:27 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yeah, it also has some issues with hovering certain results | 15:27 |
| knome | ochosi, orca is not working? we don't have anybody to test the a11y? | 15:27 |
| ochosi | yeah, but "pure" xfce is a valid app-set as well and good enough to test whether we can get a11y together | 15:28 |
| knome | ochosi, there are a few things that make me uncertain if we are ready to ship the a11y set | 15:28 |
| ochosi | maybe not yet, but i think it's ok to test app sets one by one | 15:28 |
| knome | well yeah, but i'm not sure if i want to introduce yet an another screen to the installer just for the xfce-only set | 15:28 |
| knome | i mean, i'm afraid many people will select that | 15:29 |
| knome | *especially* if we say it's only for advanced users | 15:29 |
| knome | people then think "YAAAAAHHH i'm up for it!" | 15:29 |
| knome | then they join #xubuntu because the system is borked | 15:29 |
| knome | and the xubuntu default theme isn't installed | 15:29 |
| knome | and everything looks bad | 15:29 |
| ochosi | well, how prominent we make that choice is totally up to us | 15:29 |
| bluesabre | knome, you are very familiar with the 'advanced' users it seems | 15:30 |
| bluesabre | :D | 15:30 |
| knome | bluesabre, well, i'm familiar with *people* | 15:30 |
| knome | that's how people are | 15:30 |
| bluesabre | true | 15:30 |
| knome | "ooh, that's for experts only - if i use that, i'm better than the others" | 15:30 |
| knome | and with this kind of options, they are completely in problems | 15:31 |
| knome | is installing "xfce-only" possible with alternative already? | 15:31 |
| knome | or should we enable it there only? | 15:31 |
| GridCube | ooh, it just came to me, the thunar bug should be fixed on 12.10 because of 4.10 | 15:31 |
| GridCube | and thats why we are going to keep having it on all the LTS for over 2 years :D | 15:32 |
| knome | mm-hmm. | 15:32 |
| knome | generally, i tend to tell people the normal xubuntu releases are quite stable too, so installing them shouldn't be any problem | 15:32 |
| ochosi | GridCube: what thunar-bug? | 15:32 |
| knome | ochosi, slow startup? | 15:32 |
| GridCube | yes | 15:33 |
| knome | is there any other bugs worth mentioning? | 15:33 |
| GridCube | that are anoying and always happening? | 15:33 |
| knome | well, any bugs | 15:33 |
| GridCube | just that one and the plugin indicator not respawining properly one | 15:34 |
| GridCube | those happens all the time | 15:34 |
| knome | plugin indicator? :) | 15:34 |
| GridCube | yes, the one that has the conectivity/sound/mail icons | 15:34 |
| GridCube | if you close it, it will restart, but only with the network icon | 15:35 |
| GridCube | no sound or mail | 15:35 |
| knome | ah | 15:35 |
| knome | i was referring to thunar bugs ;) | 15:35 |
| ochosi | GridCube: close == remove from panel? | 15:35 |
| GridCube | ochosi: yes | 15:35 |
| ochosi | GridCube: if yes, then that's expected. sound and mail don't have systray fallbacks | 15:36 |
| ochosi | GridCube: so if you remove the indicator plugin, the indicators aren't there anymore (sounds logical, doesn't it? :) ) | 15:36 |
| GridCube | welp then the plugin indicator should come back for no reason | 15:36 |
| ochosi | why should something come back when you remove it? | 15:36 |
| GridCube | i dont know | 15:37 |
| GridCube | it does | 15:37 |
| ochosi | it's only nm-applet that "returns" | 15:37 |
| ochosi | because it also has a systray-mode | 15:37 |
| GridCube | well yes | 15:37 |
| ochosi | so if you remove the indicator, it respawns as a systray | 15:37 |
| ochosi | end of story | 15:37 |
| GridCube | well, thats wrong, | 15:37 |
| GridCube | because its not called "nm-applet", in the panle | 15:37 |
| ochosi | why would a fallback mode be wrong? | 15:37 |
| GridCube | is called Plugin Indicator | 15:38 |
| ochosi | oh man... | 15:38 |
| knome | ochosi, the fallback mode sounds wrong | 15:38 |
| GridCube | and people want their soundcontrol back | 15:38 |
| ochosi | the indicator-plugin currently holds _all_ indicators you have installed on your system | 15:38 |
| ochosi | it's a single plugin | 15:38 |
| GridCube | and they dont have it | 15:38 |
| ochosi | knome: why? | 15:38 |
| GridCube | well, is not working as it should | 15:38 |
| knome | ochosi, i mean, if you have javascript, you see the enhanced page -> if you disable, you have the regular page -> if you re-enable, you still have regular ?? | 15:39 |
| knome | ochosi, i mean, re-enabling the indicator area should have a "hook" or system call or anything that tells the apps that it is available again | 15:39 |
| ochosi | knome: i have no clue what you're talking about cause it works exactly like that (and like you said you would expect it should work) here | 15:40 |
| ochosi | knome: indicators > disable > systray > enable > indicators | 15:40 |
| knome | ochosi, do you realize that doesn't work for GridCube then? ;) | 15:41 |
| GridCube | ochosi: some programs open indicators on the plugin indicator, most others dont, so in other to close the program you do right clic>close, but on the plugin indicator that means killing the plugin indicator, you do that unnoticing,then the Plugin indicator respawns, but theres only a network icon on it, no sound no mail, how is that correct? | 15:41 |
| GridCube | or expected? | 15:41 |
| GridCube | i think is wrong and annoying | 15:41 |
| ochosi | GridCube: well there are the two concepts of systray and indicators. if you only want one of them, remove the other one from the panel | 15:42 |
| ochosi | knome: i don't think you understood GridCube's problem ;) | 15:42 |
| knome | ochosi, that's possible too ;) | 15:43 |
| ochosi | hehe | 15:43 |
| ochosi | GridCube: i agree that they're inconsistent, but there's not much we can do about that (other than patch all panel-plugins or not use indicators) | 15:43 |
| GridCube | ok | 15:43 |
| ochosi | we decided to have the indicators for good reasons though | 15:43 |
| GridCube | yes and i like them | 15:44 |
| GridCube | but they need to be consistent | 15:44 |
| ochosi | there are upstream (xfce) plans to rework that plugin | 15:44 |
| ochosi | but i think that'll take more time | 15:44 |
| GridCube | if it closes it: 1) should not come back, or 2) everything should come bacl | 15:44 |
| ochosi | you haven't understood 1) it seems | 15:45 |
| ochosi | it's not the indicator-plugin that comes back. it's nm-applet | 15:45 |
| ochosi | that's why it comes back "incomplete" | 15:45 |
| ochosi | all your indicators are gone when you remove the plugin | 15:45 |
| ochosi | ok, i gotta go | 15:45 |
| ochosi | seeya | 15:45 |
| knome | hehe | 15:45 |
| knome | see you... | 15:45 |
| GridCube | yes, but you dont seem to understand that it doesnt come back as nm-applet, it comes back as indicator plugin | 15:46 |
| GridCube | :) good luck ochosi | 15:46 |
| knome | wb micahg :) | 15:46 |
| knome | micahg, have any insight on apt-offline? | 15:47 |
| micahg | knome: hi, and no | 15:51 |
| knome | ok :) | 15:51 |
| micahg | FTR, I haven't looked at any of the Xubuntu blueprints yet | 16:44 |
| knome | micahg, time to do that then! :) | 17:08 |
| micahg | knome: not this week probably | 17:09 |
| knome | micahg, we're going to approve at the end of week or beginning of next, so... | 17:09 |
| knome | anyway, i'm off for a few hours at least. see you later! | 17:10 |
| micahg | knome: meh, I have to catch up on work this week | 17:10 |
| bluesabre | knome: I noticed that "Add DVD support" is on the blueprint as a possibility, as well as possibly moving to a different media player. Wouldn't VLC solve both problems? | 17:29 |
| bluesabre | knome: nvm, I misread that it is "add dvd support to xubuntu-restricted-extras" | 17:33 |
| knome | bluesabre, vlc is pretty much ruled out anyway, as it uses Qt | 19:45 |
| bluesabre | That's true. Audience seems pretty promising (from the limited testing I've done of it) | 19:46 |
| Unit193 | http://ubottu.com/ljl/apt/?repo=Oneiric&arch=i386&package=vlc&have=xubuntu-desktop I don't even remember installing all that. | 19:49 |
| bluesabre | wowza | 19:50 |
| Unit193 | It's about 35M all in all. | 19:55 |
| knome | that's bad, that's not the worst thing | 19:58 |
| ochosi | hi everyone | 22:15 |
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