[09:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: ever since my first UDS I keep saying that the work items should be compiled in the meetings, rather than notes as the notes will lack information you need to turn them into work-items and consequently the work items will be even more rubbish than they are anyway (also see the WI quality rant from a few months back)
[09:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Since work items are primarily a Canonical management tool, how much do we have to care anymore?
[09:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: you don't find them useful?
[09:54] <ScottK> Not really.
[09:54] <ScottK> Do we need a work item for "Package KDE SC 4.9"?
[09:55] <ScottK> I don't think so.  We know we have to do that.
[09:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: I did point out that we have loads of rubbish WIs :P
[09:55] <ScottK> Yes.  You did.
[09:56] <apachelogger> was the same with the wiki todo though
[09:56] <ScottK> I don't recall ever having done something because there was a work item.
[09:56] <apachelogger> which I personally found less nice
[09:56] <apachelogger> as it didn't have graphics
[09:56] <apachelogger> to track overall and personal progress
[09:56] <ScottK> True, but the wiki a least was all on one page and there was no need to get some magic syntax correct.
[09:57] <ScottK> How important is the tracking though?
[09:57] <ScottK> Fundamentally "Package the new Qt and KDE" is the only mandatory development thing we need to do.
[09:58] <apachelogger> yah, and it is all we'd do if we did not track what is done and what is not, as a burndown chart on todos is a motivational tool
[09:59] <apachelogger> either it goes  ... oh wow we are almost done or  ... oh wow we need to do more, let's get started
[10:00] <apachelogger> also TBH the wiki page was terrible for exactly its advantage .... while all data was on one page where you coudl view and edit it, editing it was a flipping nightmare with wiki markup and whatnot
[10:00] <apachelogger> all that said, I don't have a problem with going back to a wiki, but I sure would hope that in 2012 there is at least one sensible piece of free online todo management software for large software projects ^^
[10:02] <apachelogger> also since we were talking about burning out developers ... with sensible software you'd get an idea of how much workload is allocated to one person and can ensure that it doesn't get too much
[10:02] <ScottK> https://trello.com/
[10:04] <ScottK> !)@(#*$&%^# hotel internet.
[10:04] <ScottK> Not sure if it made it through or not, so I'll try again: https://trello.com/
[10:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: remind me of a kanban ^^
[10:05] <ScottK> It's made for "agile" things.
[10:05] <ScottK> And if you compare Ubuntu to Debian, we're agile.
[10:06] <apachelogger> aye
[10:06] <apachelogger> making us track stuff agile sounds like a good idea
[10:06] <apachelogger> then again I am an agile fanboy
[10:07] <ScottK> I think it depends on what you make of it.
[10:07] <apachelogger> yah
[10:07] <ScottK> Once there was a training course for a "Certified Scrum Master (tm)", it was all over.
[10:08] <apachelogger> hehe
[10:08] <apachelogger> ok, so I am an original agile fanboy
[10:08] <apachelogger> certifing a scrum master is rubbish :P
[10:09] <apachelogger> everyone in the team is at some point supposed to master the scrum ^^
[10:10] <ScottK> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1996-10-08/ comes to mind.
[10:11] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:13] <ScottK> Honestly I think agile is mostly a state of mind and if you need to go read a book to explain a process, you'll probably not get there.
[10:13]  * ScottK is off to bed.  It's finally past midnight local.
[10:37]  * yofel_ wouldn't mind using that 
[10:37] <yofel_> ^
[10:39] <apachelogger> http://www.scrumdo.com/
[11:51] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdewebdev] Philip Muškovac * 115 * debian/ (changelog control) * Switch boost build-dep to 1.49
[11:56] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdetoys] Philip Muškovac * 111 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[13:15] <BluesKaj> hi all
[13:37] <tsdgeos> hi
[13:43] <debfx> oh no, launchpad can import comments from kde bugzilla now
[13:48] <jtechidna> http://i.imgur.com/bpPqP.png
[14:26] <shadeslayer> anyone seen jr?
[14:33] <yofel_> shadeslayer: "<Riddell> I'm going off irc for a couple of weeks in a hope to prevent burnout, e-mail or text/phone me if you need me"
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yofel, you need a hobby besisdes linux :)
[14:41] <yofel> can't really argue against that...
[14:41] <yofel> don't have too much time recently though anyway :/
[14:42] <txwikinger> hobbies are overrated ;-)
[14:52] <shadeslayer> jussi: plz2fix ubottu
[14:52] <shadeslayer> !find sqlcli.h quantal
[14:52] <BluesKaj> txwikinger, for some maybe , not all of us can be as singleminded as others , especially me :)
[14:53] <jussi> shadeslayer: bother tsimpson
[14:53] <jussi> better still, file a bug
[14:53] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: ^
[14:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: serously, file a bug against ubuntu-bots
[14:54] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:54] <maco> i had assumed it did file query using packages.ubuntu.com
[14:54] <tsimpson> no need really
[14:54] <jussi> well then, tsimpson is here
[14:54] <jussi> :)
[14:54] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:54] <maco> i suppose apt-file is more likely
[14:55] <tsimpson> I had to fix apt-cache segfaulting earlier, and the cache was removed
[14:58] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: fixor'd
[15:03] <shadeslayer> !find sqlcli.h quantal
[15:03] <shadeslayer> wibble
[15:25] <EagleScreen> plasma-netbook is unstable, slow and has a lot to be desired, I think you should use plasma-desktop for netbooks too
[15:26] <EagleScreen> may be with some specific configuration for widgets/panel
[15:32] <txwikinger> BluesKaj: I rather meant that hobbies often create singlemindedness :-)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> I meant other hobbies . pursuits tx
[15:33] <BluesKaj> txwikinger,^
[15:33] <txwikinger> Well.. I do not have time for any hobbies
[15:33] <txwikinger> Family, Business..time over
[15:34] <txwikinger> Regrdless what I would like to do
[15:34] <BluesKaj> like this silly game my wife roped me into 
[15:34] <txwikinger> silly game?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> yardwork day today , and the morning is almost done 
[15:35] <BluesKaj> lord of ultima 
[15:35] <txwikinger> Yeah.. that will do it
[15:36] <txwikinger> At least plant some stuff that can be eaten
[15:36] <BluesKaj> I'm not a gamer to begin with , hence the "silly":
[15:37] <txwikinger> are you already addicted?
[15:37]  * txwikinger has no time for games
[15:37] <BluesKaj> not really ...it's not my kind of "thing" 
[17:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: I notice that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-ubiquity-lvm-luks is now an essential blueprint for quantal.  That was one of the ones we needed to ditch the alternate images.  
[17:02] <ScottK> Darkwing: Did getting rid of the alternate images to reduce the amount of ISO testing we have to do come up again at UDS?
[17:06] <yofel> ScottK: do you by chance know what the cpython-32mu in "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyQt4/Qt.cpython-32mu.so" means?
[17:09] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:10] <ScottK> I was built with the cpython interpreter, version python3.2, and I don't remember exactly what the mu translates too, but it's not a debug package.
[17:10] <ScottK> Debug packages have dmu.
[17:10] <ScottK> It's effectively abi.
[17:10] <yofel> right, that's from python3-pyqt4, ok 
[17:11] <ScottK> That's the reason we don't need per python3 directories for extensions like we do in python.
[17:11] <yofel> aaaah
[17:11] <yofel> understood
[17:32] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (8 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[17:32] <CIA-42> * Add python3 support from Colin Watson - add python3-all-dev, python3-sip-de
[17:32] <CIA-42> and python3-pyqt4 to build-depends - add new packages: python3-pykde4
[17:33] <yofel> ScottK: could you give that a quick review ^ ? I think it's ~right now, but I don't quite understand what the magic in override_dh_shlibdeps does
[17:37] <BluesKaj> just had a conversation with some window IT guy who claims to be writing trojans and viruses for testing on linux servers ..is this a known test procedure ...personally i thought the guy was joking at first ,but as the cob=nverstaion progressed he claimed to be serious ...it must be a "first" afaik 
[18:03] <ScottK> yofel: I can probably do it in 8 - 10 hours.  I'm on my way to meetings right now.  Ping me again if I forget.
[18:05] <yofel> ScottK: I would then rather go ahead and upload as cjwatson is waiting on it and the python2 parts aren't touched. We can then get a proper version into debian and merge that in
[18:34] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/okular] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog libokularcore1abi1.symbols) Refresh symbol files for remaining architectures
[18:34] <ronnoc> Darkwing: Ping
[18:42] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Philip Muškovac * 31 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[18:56] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Philip Muškovac * 32 * debian/ (changelog control) Switch boost build-dep to 1.49
[19:03] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/gwenview] Philip Muškovac * 43 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[19:08] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalgebra] Philip Muškovac * 35 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1
[19:12] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kamera] Philip Muškovac * 28 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.3-0ubuntu1