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frankbanwelcome back gmb08:52
gmbHi frankban, thanks :)08:52
* gmb is wading through emails. Hurrah.08:52
frankban:-)08:53
gary_posterbac benji frankban gmb, hiya.  call asap.  I'm in goldenhorde now12:10
* bac to the horde12:10
gary_posterheh12:10
* gmb -> lunch12:44
gmbfrankban, Feel free to ping me with the link to that merge proposal you need reviewing; I'll take care of it when I return.12:44
frankbanthanks gmb: https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/python-shelltoolbox/called-process-error-fixes/+merge/10578612:46
bacgary_poster: i just talked to martin packman about bzr and bug 998040.  he said he and jelmer were on maintenance and would be happy to sort out the upgrade of launchpad's use of bzr12:58
_mup_Bug #998040: lp.codehosting.tests.test_bzrutils.TestGetBranchStackedOnURL.testGetBranchStackedOnUrlNotStacked(RemoteBranchFormat-v2) fails rarely/intermittently in parallel tests <paralleltest> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/998040 >12:58
bacgary_poster: i am going to move that card to tracking12:58
gary_posterbac, excellent!12:58
gary_posterfrankban, holiday Friday approved12:59
frankbangary_poster: thanks13:00
bacbenji: there is space in the active lane now.  do you want to take it for your bug or are you slack timing?13:01
benjibac: I'm into the slack time task right now, but that's kind of the point of slack time tasks, to be able to stop them when a slot opens up.13:03
gary_posteruh oh, slack time fight!13:03
gary_posterfight!13:03
gary_posterfight!13:03
gary_posterfight!13:03
bacbenji: yeah, but that'll just force me into slack time.  which i don't mind but interrupting you if you're being slackwise productive may not make sense13:04
benjibac: good point, I'd say the globally optimum thing would be for you to take the newly-open WIP slot13:05
benjigary_poster: you so crazy13:05
gary_poster:-)13:05
benjigary_poster: or maybe I'm crazy, if a couple of things check out about this house I'm going to offer them $14,500 for it (and no, there are no missing digits in that number)13:06
bacer?13:07
gary_posterheh, wow benji.  I'm brimming with curiosity as to how that would work out practically, while you fix up the house and so on, but I'll wait till a higher bandwidth medium is available :-)13:07
benji:)13:08
bacohh, i wanto to know too13:08
gary_posterheh13:08
bacgooglehangout/benjiflipsahouse13:08
gary_posterlol13:08
benjiLOL13:08
benjiI'm going to create a project for this so I need a name.  What do people think of "termbeamer"?13:24
benjigmb: does the use of "beamer" for "projector" help or hinder that name? ^^^13:25
benji(I was thinking of the Star Trek idea of "beaming".)13:25
gmbbenji, To me a Beamer is a BMW.13:25
benjiheh13:25
benjiso "termbeamer" would be leasing a BMW13:26
gmbHah, possibly.13:26
benjigmb (or anyone): do you have other suggestions for a name for this terminal sharing thing?13:27
benjiI like termbeamer because it's a term that doesn't have many google results and the command name can be "tb" which I like in a morose sort of way.13:28
gmbbenji, I think termbeamer / tb works just fine.13:49
benjicool13:49
gary_posterbenji, not saying I like these any better, just brainstorming:13:51
gary_posterterminal window?13:51
gary_posterterminal mirror13:51
gary_postertermwin termir etc. ...13:52
gary_posterterminal video, terminal vision...13:52
gary_posterheh, terminal vision sounds ominous13:53
benjiheh13:53
benjiyeah, I found several semi-ominous "terminal *" combinations13:53
benjiIf "terminal velocity" weren't such a common phrase, it would be a cool one13:54
gary_posterterminal viewer, terminal broadcast (can it broadcast(?13:54
gary_posterIt might be cool because it is a common phrase13:54
gary_postereasier to remember13:55
benjiright now it is one-to-one, but I do like the idea of terminal to web broadcasting13:55
benjiit would be easier to remember, but hard to find in a mass of google results13:55
gary_postermm, true13:55
gary_posterghost terminal...13:56
benjithat has a certain appeal13:56
benjiit might be confused with a terminal emulator (like Terminator, which has the best name ever)13:57
gary_posterit's a direction as well--other names are probably lurking around that corner13:57
benjiastral(terminal)projection13:57
gary_posterheh13:57
benjitermastral13:58
benjino one will get that reference13:58
gary_posterone of the things that Star Trek "beam" connotes to me that is not currently true about the app is that it sould imply that the thing being "beamed" to me is the full thing13:58
gary_poster(also, as you noted, the word is a bit overloaded)13:59
benjitrue; I think that remote control can be added easily enough, so that name might become more true to life over time14:00
gary_posterghost terminal...when the other end can actually control it, it evanesces... :-)14:00
gary_posteroh, wrong direction14:00
gary_posteranyway, benji, that's 10 minutes of brainstorming.  If you still like tb, go for it :-)14:01
benjiyeah, I'm not in love with tb, but I doubt I'll be able to improve on it quickly and I need a name so I think "termbeamer" it is14:02
gary_postercool14:05
bacgary_poster: do you have any log files for the rabbitmq timeout problem?14:25
bacthere are two places where a timeout exception is raised and it'd be interesting to know which one was hit14:25
gary_posterbac, if it is not in the bug report, probably not.  The only other place it might be, for older bugs, would be the result log.  That said, since we run everything in ephemerals, the logs are almost always gone.14:26
gary_posterThe only thing we get are the test results14:26
bacgary_poster: i don't see a bug report, just a card14:26
gary_posteroh...looking14:27
gary_posterbac, it shows bug 987444 on the kanban board for me; are we looking at different ones?14:27
_mup_Bug #987444: RabbitMQLayer intermittently (and very rarely) does not start in parallel tests <paralleltest> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/987444 >14:27
bachuh, so it does14:28
bacnm14:28
benjigmb: can I put your hazy state to good use by having you see if my instructions for setting up termbeamer pass the post-trans-Atlantic-flight test?15:10
bacgary_poster: reviewing the rabbitfixture code i see a bug in the startup code that has been subsequently fixed.  i think if we release the current version and bump LP to use it we should be good15:12
gary_posterbac, you are the bearer of good tidings.15:12
gmbbenji, Sure15:22
benjigmb: bzr branch lp:termbeamer and look at the README.txt15:23
gmbOkay, looking now.15:23
gmbArgh, libreoffice updates.15:29
* gmb does something else whilst they run.15:30
gmbbenji, Seems clear enough to me.15:45
gmbAll steps work and the tests pass15:45
benjigmb: want to try to actually run a client and/or server?15:46
gmbbenji, Yes, I was just about to suggest that. I'll run the server and invite your gmail account...15:46
benjigmb: cool15:46
benjiI'm running the client now.15:47
gmbArse, hang on. Damn 2-factor auth...15:48
benjiyeah, I made an application specific password for google talk.  I guess I should mention that in the README15:48
gmbbenji, Server is up and running; do you see it?15:50
benjigmb: nope :(15:51
gmbUm.15:51
benjigmb: are you using "benji.york@gmail.com" as my user name?15:51
gmbYes.15:51
gmbbenji, How about you run the server; I'll see if I can connect.15:52
benjik15:52
gmbbenji, I see a cursor moving...15:53
gmbAh.15:53
gmbHi Benji :)15:53
benji:)15:53
gmbSo, it definitely passes the jetlag test.15:54
gmbYay, yellow crosshair.15:54
benjigmb: do you see the blinking crosshair?15:54
gmbYup15:54
benjicool15:54
benjiwant to try running the server again?15:54
gmbSure.15:54
benjigmb: I see it15:56
gmbWahey.15:56
benjiwell, I take that back, I see the cursor moving15:56
benjilist some directories or run an editor or something15:56
gmbbenji, I'm seeing lots of errors of this sort "Traceback (most recent call last):15:56
gmb  File "termbeamer/tb.py", line 236, in changed15:56
gmb    get_attributes=True)15:56
gmbTypeError: Required argument 'callback' (pos 1) not found"15:56
gmbbenji, I just ls'd the termbeamer root.15:57
gmbBut15:57
benjithat would explain it, let me look at that real quick15:57
gmbI did resize the window, as it appeared oddly small.15:57
benjigmb: yeah, I need to make the initial size bigger, resizing it should be fine15:57
benjigmb: it seems like the version of python-vte you have isn't right; the one from my PPA shouldn't complaint about that15:58
gmbHum. apt might have lied to me when it said it was up-to-date.15:58
gmbI'll try updating again.15:58
benjik15:59
gmbbenji, Trying again.16:07
gmb(apt-get insisted it was up-to-date; synaptic thought otherwise)16:07
benjigmb: I see things!16:08
gmbbenji, Crosshair?16:09
benjiHurrah indeed.16:09
benjigmb: control-click16:09
gmbbenji, I am. But it's possible that that's doing something else given that this is a vm on a mac.16:09
benjigmb: yeah, I don't see it16:10
gmbHrm.16:10
gmbI see no errors or anything, but I'm betting that it's the environment that's the problem.16:10
benjigmb: if you want you can edit the code to remove the control bit and just click16:10
benjisearch for "CONTROL" and you'll see the right bit of code16:10
gmbbenji, Okay, gimme a sec...16:11
benjisure16:11
gmbbenji, See it now?16:12
benjigmb: yep!16:12
gmbYay.16:12
gmbbenji, So, I think simple clicking is an irritant for the clicker - highlights stuff unnecessarily. But otherwise, awesome work!16:13
gmbbenji, I'll try to find out what's actually getting sent.16:13
benjiI wonder if control-click will be an issue for people.  I didn't want just click because people often double-click on terminals to select a single word and shift-click is for highlighting a run of words16:13
gmbYeah.16:13
gmbI'll poke about a bit if I get chance after I finish reviewing.16:14
benjigreat16:14
gmbbenji, Oh, wait, I've just realised.16:14
gmbOn Mac, CTRL+Click is a right click (button = 2)16:14
gmbSo that's what'll be getting sent through.16:14
benjiooh16:14
benjiis there a sane way to control-click on Mac?16:15
gmbNot that I know of.16:15
gmbBut I've never tried.16:15
gmbAh, wait.16:16
gmbI might be able to disable it.16:16
benjigmb: http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5044414&postcount=216:16
gmbAh, yes, I'm looking at that too.16:17
gmbAnother try...16:18
gmbbenji, Anything?16:19
benjigmb: nope16:19
benjidid you put the control code back?16:19
gmbYes.16:19
gmbmaybe I need to restart the VM.16:19
benjicould be16:19
gmbbenji, I need to finish a review, but I'll come back to this if I have time before my EoD.16:20
benjigmb: cool, I'm hungry, so lunch for me16:20
gmbOkidoke. Catch you later.16:20
gary_posterdata center tests passed!16:54
frankbangreat!16:57
bacbenji, gary_poster: would either of you have a minute to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-987444/+merge/10586217:58
benjibac: sure18:04
benjibac: done18:05
bacmy time estimate was spot on18:06
benji:)18:06
benjibac: since that frees up a WIP spot, we should probably swap out and you take the slack spot if you want.  I don't want to be a slack hog.18:07
bacbenji: ok, but i still need to get my ducks, er rabbits, in a row18:07
bacmaybe 30 minutes18:07
benjiok18:08
benjiI have plenty to work on until then.18:08
bacbenji: pypi shows bigjools as the only package owner for rabbitfixture...so i guess i'm screwed until he can give me upload rights.18:16
bacbenji: lane clear18:22
benjigrr grr grr, something keeps muting my speaker; I can't hear the IRC beeps20:28
benjigary_poster: you might want to review this https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/bug-974617-5/+merge/10589320:49
gary_posterbenji, on call will look in a bit20:52
gary_poster...like, say, now20:53
gary_posterbenji, I guess you kept the last urlopen around just because it read better?20:54
gary_poster(line 35 of the diff)20:55
benjigary_poster: yep; I came very close to removing it, but I figured that it doesn't cost much and is much simpler in this step 1, step 2, step 3 ordering20:59
gary_posterok cool benji20:59
benjigrr, grr, no beep; I have to stare IRC or risk missing people talking to me.  I need to figure this out.20:59
gary_posterapproved, benji21:00
gary_posterbeep21:00
benjipfft21:00
gary_poster:-)21:00
benjiit's really odd: if I turn the volume down I don't hear anything, but once I turn it up one notch I hear the "you just changed the volume and this is how loud it is now" sound21:01
gary_posterhuh21:01
gary_posterthe only thing I can think of is that there is some bug about lxc causing volume issues for someone (I think Serge)--looking...21:02
gary_posterbenji (beep), bug 94844721:03
_mup_Bug #948447: Starting an LXC changes the volume (sound!) of the host <amd64> <apport-bug> <precise> <lxc (Ubuntu):Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/948447 >21:03
benjihmm21:03
benjiinteresting, that might be related to my problem21:05
gary_posteroh benji, when you get a chance, could you please try to connect with stub about bug 992184 to help him duplicate the problem?21:31
_mup_Bug #992184: lib/lp/services/database/doc/textsearching.txt fails intermittently/rarely on parallel tests <paralleltest> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by stub> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/992184 >21:31
gary_posterI made a misc card for that to remind us21:32
benjigary_poster: will do, thanks for the card21:34
gary_posterthank you21:34

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