| infinity | TypoNAM: THere is in -proposed. | 00:00 |
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| TypoNAM | infinity: I'm compiling gdbserver myself at this moment :P | 00:18 |
| infinity | TypoNAM: Installing the one from proposed seems like less effort, but okay. | 01:07 |
| infinity | (I was going to pomote it to updates anyway) | 01:07 |
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| hallenberg | where can I find more information about how the preinstalled images are created? | 14:29 |
| hallenberg | specifically what arguments are passed when configuring live-build | 14:31 |
| ogra_ | they are built using live-build from the archive ... whereas the configs for live-build live in the livecd-rootfs package | 14:32 |
| ogra_ | (note that this only applies to the content of the rootfs partition indeed) | 14:33 |
| hallenberg | ogra_: thanks, I'll see if I find what I'm looking for there! | 14:36 |
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| ndec | ogra_: hi! so it's really the end of Unity2D? | 16:50 |
| TypoNAM | oh I hope not, the regular one is very buggy | 16:53 |
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| ogra_ | ndec, well, not immediately, for now its just that all development is stopped for 2D | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | eventually it will vanish though | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | TypoNAM, make sure to file bugs so the remaining ARM specific issues can be fixed ;) | 16:56 |
| ndec | ogra_: so in 12.10 what would be the non 3D options for ARM? | 16:57 |
| ndec | i mean compiz won't be any better on pandaboard than it is now... | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | llvmpipe | 16:58 |
| ndec | i don't think we should encourage people to use compiz on pb.. | 16:58 |
| TypoNAM | as soon as I install PowerVR SGX drivers and enable them, unity becomes unstable, redraw problems, and missing the control box, title bar, and borders on all non-maximized windows | 16:58 |
| ndec | TypoNAM: yeah... with compiz i guess? | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | TypoNAM, right, file bugs please | 16:58 |
| ndec | ogra_: that does not sound too good... | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | the compiz in precise-updates works very well fo rme on a tegra2 | 16:59 |
| ndec | as you can imagine, i mostly care about omap... | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | admittedly the unity plugins have issues though ... but different ones than on pamda | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | *panda | 16:59 |
| ndec | compiz will not work fine on 4430/4460. ever. | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | why not ? | 16:59 |
| ndec | it's a hw limitation, in the GFX core. | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | the gles2 code just went upstream | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | so it should be possible to enhance the quality | 17:00 |
| TypoNAM | ndec: what kind of hardware limitations? :P | 17:00 |
| ndec | 4470 and OMAP5 is a different story. but I don't see us focusing on compiz in the next 6 months... | 17:00 |
| ndec | the SGX MMU is limited to 256Mb, which leaves ~160Mb of memory for overal texture. | 17:01 |
| ndec | so at some point you will reach that limit. | 17:01 |
| TypoNAM | interesting | 17:01 |
| ndec | if you open several terminal/windows you should see that. it would either display black (best case) or just crash (more realistic) | 17:02 |
| TypoNAM | is there any documentation you can reference that states that and other things I should be aware of? I'm currently working with a pandaboard ES | 17:02 |
| ndec | but ogra_ the point is that we will not have any product with compiz or llvmpipe on OMAP. so this is the first time we have a so big divergence... | 17:02 |
| ndec | TypoNAM: you should ping robclark he would know the gory details better than me. | 17:03 |
| ogra_ | ndec, well, it was a sabdfl verdict to drop 2D i think | 17:04 |
| ogra_ | talk to him | 17:04 |
| ndec | hehe | 17:04 |
| ogra_ | i'm not thrilled either and would have done it the complete other way round | 17:04 |
| ndec | what's the impact on ubuntu-tv, btw? | 17:05 |
| ndec | it's too using QT/QML. | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | its a prototype | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | not a product | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | the product will be 3D | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | same for the phone stuff | 17:05 |
| ndec | the phone stuff? | 17:05 |
| ndec | but again, 3D if it's wayland, it's a different story... | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | and apparentlxy the assumprion is that we can "just" use the android drivers without issues | 17:06 |
| ndec | i doubt it honestly. | 17:06 |
| ogra_ | me too | 17:06 |
| ndec | the android drivers have intrinsics dependencies on android display driver, which is very different from a standard linux drm/kms display driver. | 17:06 |
| ogra_ | but then who am i, i only got 4 years of arm experience ... nobody bothered to ask me :P | 17:07 |
| ndec | i think you need to be 5 years exp to be considered ;-) | 17:07 |
| ogra_ | heh, yeah, likely | 17:07 |
| ndec | no seriously, this is a problem. | 17:07 |
| ogra_ | well, tallk to the arm team ... oh, wait ... there is none ... | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | i seriously think the only person to talk to about it (and to convince) is sabdfl | 17:09 |
| ndec | we are killing ubuntu/omap with that decision, at least for the compiz stuff. | 17:09 |
| ogra_ | we dont have anyone making arm specific decisions in that ragard in the distro anymore | 17:09 |
| ndec | ok. thx. will think through that... | 17:11 |
| ndec | for now, i am heading home ;-) | 17:11 |
| NekoXP | it might kick the TI guys into gear on proper drivers at least ;) | 17:11 |
| NekoXP | or more likely kick the Unity guys into gear wrt making it work properly on ARM.. | 17:12 |
| ndec | sure... i know we have problems with our gfx drivers.. | 17:13 |
| ndec | but it might be a little too early to make such a drastic change ... | 17:13 |
| NekoXP | at least you only need a different gear. Freescale need to build a whole new freeway | 17:13 |
| ndec | what that means is that if we aren't ready in 6 months, ubuntu won't work fine on OMAP | 17:13 |
| ndec | we have our 'new' gfx stack based on the new drm/kms driver that we are actively working, we haven't tried compiz on this one. hopefully that gets us closer... | 17:14 |
| NekoXP | we're kind of stalling here on gem-dma-buf-prime-cma things all going in. it doesn't seem prudent to do any work at all since it'd just need to get totally rewritten anyway. when you're pulling a graphics stack apart at the roots to port it to DRM anyway, you'd only want to do that once | 17:20 |
| rsalveti | ndec: ogra_: well, I expect unity 2d to be available for some time still, just not with new features | 17:46 |
| rsalveti | and the impression I got was that this was also a decision to focus on fixing the remaining issues with compiz and the 3d version | 17:46 |
| rsalveti | I know there's an issue with the sgx core for panda, but there are a few ways to workaround it I believe | 17:47 |
| rsalveti | I know llvmpipe is not ideal either, but would be nice to check how it will work and perform on arm | 17:48 |
| rsalveti | ndec: for ubuntu tv I know they will use nux at least | 17:49 |
| rsalveti | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20338/community-q-ubuntu-tv-involvement/ | 17:50 |
| rsalveti | I just don't know how related it will be with compiz | 17:50 |
| rsalveti | unless compiz is fixed and improved a lot over the next few months that'll be a problem to support | 17:50 |
| rsalveti | on arm specifically | 17:50 |
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