[01:01] <ScottL> jono, do you know if any of the video for the flavour plenary presentations will be made public or available?
[01:02] <ScottL> i received a few compliments but i probably looked derpy, but i would probably like to watch it anyways just to see ;)
[01:07] <jono> ScottL, they are already online
[01:07] <jono> ScottL, look on YouTube for the Tuesday plenaries
[01:07] <jono> unfortunately the sound is pretty bad on it
[01:07] <cjohnston> jono: I told Hope you missed her
[01:08] <jono> cjohnston, :-)
[01:29] <ScottL> jono, sweet!  thanks
[01:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> balloons, ;]
[01:33] <IAmNotThatGuy> Good morning all o/
[02:11] <pleia2> I have a camera now \o/
[02:11] <pleia2> the google hangouts may begin
[02:11] <pleia2> :P
[02:13] <nigelb> pleia2: hehehe
[02:14] <czajkowski> pleia2: yay
[02:14] <czajkowski> we shall finally see you
[02:14] <pleia2> now I'll have to brush my hair before CC meetings
[02:14] <czajkowski> lol
[02:16] <czajkowski> I'd like to be asleep :s
[02:16] <pleia2> it's only 7PM! :)
[02:17] <czajkowski> lady do not go there :p
[02:20] <czajkowski> pleia2: lol
[02:20] <pleia2> haha, a billion random internet people
[02:20] <czajkowski> very ranadom
[02:20] <czajkowski> hence me running away
[02:20] <nigelb> czajkowski: why are you awake at this crazy hour?
[02:20] <czajkowski> daker-cloud: if you need help re lp dev lotta folks alive in #launchpad-dev
[02:21] <czajkowski> nigelb: can't sleep :s
[02:21] <nigelb> :(
[02:21] <czajkowski> my bod thinks it's 7pm
[02:21] <nigelb> I first thought you were still in Cali.
[02:21] <czajkowski> nope
[02:21] <czajkowski> I went to bed at 10
[02:21] <czajkowski> woke at 12 when bf came home from hackspace chatted to him
[02:21] <czajkowski> now he's asleep
[02:21] <czajkowski> and I'm wide awake eating bickies
[02:21] <nigelb> maybe you should have some nice tea :)
[02:22] <czajkowski> having ribena :D
[02:22] <czajkowski> reading work mail and closing bugs
[02:22] <nigelb> HA :)
[02:22] <nigelb> Oh well, productive insomnia.
[02:22] <czajkowski> aye and getting to catch up with the rest of the team
[02:23] <czajkowski> lots are in AU
[02:27] <czajkowski> pleia2: for hangouts I usually pick a circle, for CC you're all in one so handy to start, also handy when travelling I have bf in one so I can just have a hangoug with him
[02:28] <pleia2> yeah, I was just testing my camera so I figured why not :)
[02:28] <pleia2> now I know why not...
[02:28] <czajkowski> hah
[02:28] <czajkowski> bit scarey alright
[02:29] <pleia2> in case I ever need a reminder that the internet is full of creeps :)
[02:29] <czajkowski> yeah :s
[02:36] <nigelb> pleia2: There's always IRC to remind me of that.
[02:37] <czajkowski> oh not the G+ was worse
[02:37] <czajkowski> aol flash backs most defiately
[02:37] <czajkowski> right going to attempt this sleep lark
[02:37] <pleia2> good luck :)
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39] <alourie> hello
[07:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:59] <ejat> morning ..
[08:00] <jono> morning dholbach
[08:00] <jono> hey folks
[08:00] <dholbach> hey jono
[08:00] <jono> dholbach,  I have a few cool things I hacked on tonight :-)
[08:00] <dholbach> oh yeah - what is it?
[08:00] <jono> automated testing for accomplishments:  http://213.138.100.229/battery/
[08:01] <jono> and I also graphed the growth of users and trophies that are awarded: http://213.138.100.229/graphs/
[08:02] <dholbach> so you specify a community member who you know already achieved it and the system will test if that's true?
[08:02] <jono> dholbach, indeed
[08:02] <jono> we test for both success and failure
[08:02] <jono> and every accomplishment has a test file
[08:03] <jono> so we can run all accomplishments daily and report any failures
[08:03] <jono> which will be essential we have hundreds of accomplishments
[08:04] <czajkowski> jono: go sleepy
[08:04] <jono> czajkowski, heh, Erica just said the same thing
[08:04] <jono> :-)
[08:04] <dholbach> jono, good work
[08:05] <jono> dholbach, cheers
[08:05] <jono> it is fun watching all the bits coming together :-)
[08:05]  * jono rubs hands like Mr Burns
[08:07] <jono> I also added an accomplishment for if you are on Planet Ubuntu
[08:08] <jono> ok bedtime for me
[08:08] <jono> night!
[09:14] <huats> morning !
[09:17] <czajkowski> huats: salut
[09:18] <huats> hey czajkowski
[11:52] <mhall119> morning
[11:54] <mhall119> AlanBell: what's the LP team you need to access the etherpad?
[11:56] <mhall119> cjohnston: ^^ ?
[11:58] <cjohnston> ubuntu-etherpad
[12:08] <AlanBell> thats the one
[12:08] <AlanBell> at the moment
[12:10] <mhall119> thanks
[12:49] <daker> mhall119, is this true http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Prepares-a-GNOME-Flavor-of-Ubuntu-269229.shtml ?
[12:52] <dpm> daker, http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/tm8fn/canonical_prepares_a_gnome_flavor_of_ubuntu/
[12:52] <dpm> "To be clear, this is not something Canonical staff are working on, but instead volunteers will be working on this project. These volunteers will contribute in much the same way as other derivatives and flavors, and Canonical will be providing infrastructure to support the project, as we do with our other derivatives and flavors."
[12:53] <daker> dpm, thanks ツ
[12:53] <dpm> :)
[13:55] <jcastro> bah, blueprints
[13:55] <jcastro> I will tackle you in 5 minutes
[13:55] <jcastro> and then you will own me
[13:56] <jcastro> mhall119: hey so you mail Oren yet?
[13:56] <jcastro> we probably want to schedule a meeting with him asap
[13:57] <jcastro> dholbach: ping
[13:58] <dholbach> jcastro, pong
[13:58] <jcastro> hey I can't find it now
[13:58] <jcastro> but the URL with the list of things sponsors need to go through?
[13:58] <jcastro> the actual queue?
[13:59] <dholbach> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[13:59] <jcastro> ta!
[13:59] <jcastro> where can I find that code?
[13:59] <jcastro> I need all that goodness for charms
[14:01] <jcastro> dholbach: ah dude, you put it in the bug report!
[14:01] <jcastro> dholbach: any other  associated tools we should rip off?
[14:02] <dholbach> no, I think that should be fine
[14:05] <jcastro> cool, and the tool you use to schedule patch pilot?
[14:08] <dholbach> oh, I forgot - imbrandon wanted to send me an email
[14:08] <dholbach> do you want me to mail it to you?
[14:08] <dholbach> or somebody else?
[14:09]  * czajkowski will be taking part in flossie next week http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=125
[14:11] <dholbach> jcastro, should I mail the script to you or mail it to somebody else?
[14:16] <jcastro> myself and juan negron please.
[14:21] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, I emailed him yesterday
[14:22] <mhall119> czajkowski: you don't slow down, do you?
[14:23] <czajkowski> mhall119: I took it easy yesterdayish
[14:23] <czajkowski> today I learnt am taking on support for one project
[14:23] <czajkowski> and updating over hauling a wiki help site
[14:24] <dholbach> jcastro, sent
[14:24] <czajkowski> mhall119: I thrive on being busy
[14:24] <czajkowski> mhall119: and lists!
[14:38] <jcastro> anyone know when the line will be set for the work items?
[14:38] <cjohnston> jcastro: I believe the 31st is when I'll do it
[14:39] <jcastro> ah ok
[14:39] <cjohnston> IIRC last time I did it was the feature definition freeze
[14:50] <jcastro> ugh
[14:50] <jcastro> meeting in 10?
[14:50] <jcastro> "Went to UDS, see my blueprints. Bye."
[14:51] <dpm> yeah, I was wondering whether we need a meeting, last week being UDS and all what we were doing being public. I'm happy with either
[15:00] <MrChrisDruif> Meeting?
[15:00] <balloons> it'll be an interesting one.. :-)
[15:00] <jono> mhall119, jcastro, dholbach, dpm, balloons do you want to do the meeting?
[15:00] <jono> as we were all at UDS
[15:00] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, just reading the scrollback
[15:00] <jcastro> "Everyone check the blueprints" works for me
[15:01] <balloons> lol
[15:01] <jono> yeah I am not sure we need it
[15:01] <dpm> jono, yeah, that's what we were discussing just a few mins ago, I don't think we need it, either
[15:01] <jono> ok, cool
[15:01] <mhall119> same
[15:01] <dholbach> yeah, I think I have notes of the last 2-3 weeks, but it's mostly just "UDS and 12.10 prep"
[15:01] <balloons> pretty much
[15:01] <dpm> we can just paste the summary video :)
[15:01] <balloons> lol
[15:01] <mhall119> yeah, my last 2 weeks are "spring and uds"
[15:01] <mhall119> sprint
[15:01] <jcastro> hey so
[15:02] <jcastro> cjohnston: says we have like 2 weeks until the line freezes
[15:02] <jcastro> so we should all be cognizant of that
[15:02] <jcastro> ie. you have 2 weeks to sort your work items
[15:02]  * mhall119 has his blueprints updated
[15:02] <jcastro> then after that, smoke if you got em
[15:02] <balloons> line freezes?
[15:02]  * jono makes a coffee
[15:02] <dpm> good point, thanks jcastro. cjohnston, do we know the actual date?
[15:02] <jono> not getting enough sleep this week
[15:03] <dpm> Anyway, there you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2hYVxK1_RY :)
[15:03] <cjohnston> 31 i think is when ill do it
[15:03]  * jono yawns
[15:03] <dpm> cool, thanks cjohnston
[15:03] <jcastro> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/jorge.html
[15:03] <jcastro> balloons: ^^^^
[15:03] <jcastro> you need to have the WI done and settled before he draws the line down the graph
[15:03] <balloons> ah
[15:03] <jcastro> which determines the slope
[15:03] <balloons> gotcha
[15:03] <jcastro> so like, I kept adding/removing
[15:04] <balloons> right.. so nothing I did is "scheduled" for quantal yet
[15:04] <jcastro> and that screws you in the end
[15:04] <jcastro> right
[15:04] <balloons> I'm assuming I have to put it on the map for quantal
[15:04] <cjohnston> jono has to approve your blueprints to be put on status
[15:04] <jcastro> I basically try to get them up there and as granular as I can
[15:05] <jcastro> so when he draws the line you're not doomed
[15:05] <balloons> this line sounds SO scary
[15:05] <mhall119> lol
[15:06] <balloons> it makes sense cjohnston is behind it
[15:07] <cjohnston> balloons: if you don't follow your line I get your raise
[15:09] <scott-work> jcastro: sorry, didn't send the email yet to you, which address do you typically prefer, ubuntu or gmail?
[15:09] <jcastro> ubuntu, it heads to gmail anyway
[15:10] <jcastro> balloons: one cycle I totally "cheated" and started doing work and closing them out
[15:10] <jcastro> then the line reset and I was basically screwed all cycle
[15:11] <mhall119> scott-work: which email/
[15:11] <mhall119> ?
[15:11] <mhall119> I send the one to oren and CC'd you
[15:13] <balloons> jcastro, ohh? so don't close anything for 2 weeks etheir eh?
[15:14] <jcastro> just go normal
[15:14] <jcastro> neither overclose or underclose
[15:14] <jcastro> though for me I like to break up my WI into as many as possible so I have more manageable chunks.
[15:15] <jcastro> so instead of "Redo sponsorship process for charms"
[15:15] <jcastro> I'll break that up into like 5  or 6 items
[15:15] <cjohnston> jcastro: are you giving up UDS to mhall119 completely this cycle?
[15:15] <jcastro> I don't do UDS!
[15:16] <cjohnston> do you have the crew email saved somewhere or do you just go look it up from sent mail every time? i want to change it a little bit based on feedback from this past time
[15:17] <jcastro> it's the same
[15:17] <jcastro> ditto the wiki page
[15:17] <jcastro> the one with the hamm quote on it
[15:17] <jcastro> the mail is like "Congratulations/I'm sorry!"
[15:17] <jcastro> same as always
[15:18] <cjohnston> k
[15:18] <balloons> lol
[15:18] <cjohnston> we need to get people to reply to the email ack'ing it
[15:19] <technoviking> sigh...
[15:22] <nothingspecial> keep it up technoviking :D
[15:22] <mhall119> technoviking: recoving?
[15:23] <nothingspecial> I am mostly seeing good comments :)
[15:24] <mhall119> are people still complaining that the forums have a nice theme now?
[15:24] <jono> people are complaining about the forums theme?
[15:25] <jcastro> But linux is about choice!
[15:25] <jono> some people really are idiots
[15:25] <nothingspecial> not much, it's just the people who don't like it are alot more vocal
[15:25] <jono> ignore them
[15:25] <nothingspecial> as usual
[15:25] <jcastro> luckily we don't let people run things just  because they're loud
[15:25] <mhall119> +1 jcastro
[15:25] <jono> indeed
[15:25] <jcastro> hey so, is it too late to whine about forum sigs again? :)
[15:25] <jono> lol
[15:26] <nothingspecial> whining has been outlawed
[15:27] <jcastro> I don't get the font size thing, browsers have had per-site adjustment that remembers for like 2 years
[15:27] <technoviking> is the forums brighter than other ubuntu.com sites?
[15:27] <nothingspecial> To be fair, it is mainly constructive criticism
[15:27] <jcastro> looks way less brighter actually
[15:28] <mhall119> like a shining beacon on a hill
[15:28] <dholbach> technoviking, it's brighter than it was before, but much less bright than other ubuntu sites
[15:28] <nothingspecial> I would say less bright
[15:28] <AlanBell> font sizes are good, it is a fluid layout and adjusts nicely
[15:28] <technoviking> it is mostly constructive
[15:29] <jcastro> they gray background on the forum thread itself
[15:29] <jcastro> the one people read
[15:29] <jcastro> looks like it's the exact gray as everything else (unscientific calibrated eye)
[15:29] <nothingspecial>  some people spend an awful lot of time on the forums
[15:30] <AlanBell> my calibrated eyes say it looks like #F7F6F5
[15:31] <jcastro> <3 science
[15:32] <AlanBell> it isn't an 'official' tint, but I think it is fine
[15:33] <jcastro> what's the official tint?
[15:33] <jcastro> for the light grey I mean
[15:33] <technoviking> and sorry about my fine whine here :)
[15:33] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/97235/why-does-gmusicbrowser-not-integrate-well-with-the-sound-menu
[15:33] <jcastro> that uses a grey tint for the words too
[15:33] <AlanBell> http://design.canonical.com/brand/5.%20Ubuntu%20colour%20palettes%20and%20colour%20landscape.pdf
[15:33] <jcastro> I say just copy that
[15:34] <jcastro> since we know MT made that one
[15:34] <technoviking> though #f7f6f5 was official
[15:35] <technoviking> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[15:35] <technoviking> Warm Grey 10%: #F7F6F5
[15:35] <AlanBell> so it is
[15:35] <AlanBell> silly documents that disagree with each other
[15:36] <AlanBell> http://design.canonical.com/brand/D.%20Ubuntu%20Web%20Guidelines.pdf
[15:36] <AlanBell> #AEA79F
[15:37]  * AlanBell isn't good at calculating 10% of hex colours
[15:38] <AlanBell> anyhow, the new forums theme rocks from my point of view
[15:39]  * jcastro nods
[15:39] <jcastro> sigh, Jill fed the wild ducks while I was gone
[15:40] <jcastro> now they are at my window wanting food
[15:40] <jcastro> at least they're soft and fluffly and entertaining
[15:42] <mhall119> this is what happens when you don't get her a dog
[15:43] <dholbach> "a home without a dog is just a house"
[15:45] <cjohnston> lol
[15:47] <jcastro> I got them on video
[15:47] <snap-l> jcastro: Pretty soon you'll have Geese.
[15:47] <snap-l> And they're nasty in comparison to the ducks.
[15:48] <jcastro> nah, my turkeyducks are awesome
[15:48] <jcastro> they're an invasive species
[15:52] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/116015965439782966698/albums/5742787655778471441
[15:52] <jcastro> turkey ducks
[16:00] <snap-l> Is that where turducken comes from?
[16:32] <jcastro> heh
[17:07] <dholbach> hey asomething
[17:07] <asomething> dholbach, hello!
[17:08] <akgraner> balloons, ok - what's your schedule look like on Thursday?  Ready for that post UDS interview/Hangout?
[17:08] <dholbach> I just noticed that quadrispro started uploading videos of the uds party
[17:08] <dholbach> that's probably a good point for me to call it a day and go away from the computer :-P
[17:08] <balloons> akgraner, hmm
[17:09] <balloons> I am leaving thurday, so it would need to be earlier in the day
[17:09] <akgraner> balloons, will you be back next week?
[17:09] <balloons> as far as ready.. I know I'm not today :-)
[17:09] <balloons> yes
[17:09] <dholbach> alright my friends - I'm off - have a great rest of your day :)
[17:09] <balloons> bye dholbach
[17:10] <akgraner> balloons, wanna shoot for the 23rd then?
[17:10] <akgraner> I leave on the 24th for Hong Kong so I'm off the grid until after 3 June
[17:13] <akgraner> jcastro, did you still want to do the Live "After UDS" Q&A Hangout on Friday?
[17:13]  * balloons checks calendar
[17:13] <akgraner> balloons, thanks
[17:13] <balloons> yep, all good
[17:13] <balloons> let's plan for that
[17:13] <balloons> what time?
[17:14] <akgraner> ok - how about 11am EST?
[17:14] <balloons> err. wait.. the 23rd
[17:14] <balloons> i thought you meant 24th
[17:14] <balloons> lol
[17:14] <balloons> 23rd, I can do 12 noon or later
[17:14] <akgraner> hehe - I might be able to - if it's early like before noon EST on the 24th
[17:14] <balloons> I can do 24th in the morning
[17:15] <akgraner> balloons, awesome  - how does either 10 or 11 am EST on Thursday the 24th sound?
[17:15] <akgraner> you pick
[17:18] <balloons> let's do the 10 am
[17:19] <akgraner> balloons, 10 am it is.  I'll email you the info (links etc) where people can view the stream at  - so you can promote it as well.
[17:25] <balloons> awesome.. your in the calendar
[17:28] <akgraner> as are you in mine :-)
[18:45] <cjohnston> mhall119: the dates on the burndown charts are fixed
[18:46] <mhall119> \o/
[18:51] <nigelb>  /ws 20
[18:51] <nigelb> gah
[18:54] <mhall119> czajkowski: is there a way to get a list of BP's that I have a workitem on?
[18:57] <AlanBell> mhall119: won't they turn up here http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/mhall119.html when they have been transferred onto blueprints?
[19:00] <mhall119> yeah, after they've approved
[19:00] <balloons> I'm in the same boat
[19:00] <cjohnston> Mr. AlanBell has work items here: http://status.ubuntu.com/summit-2012/
[19:01] <cjohnston> You could do an LP search, but knowing how many BPs you have been on mhall119, it would prolly take a while
[19:01] <balloons> if you figure it out mhall119 let me know
[19:01] <balloons> can we poll lp for work items somehow?
[19:03] <mhall119> balloons: I don't think so
[19:03] <balloons> I mean, I guess I can do it manually
[19:03] <balloons> that sounds.. um.. fun
[19:03] <AlanBell> I was going to do some pad scraping for Alison
[19:04] <AlanBell> hoik out all the pad text and grep for lines starting with [
[19:04] <balloons> I'll probably harvest my emails
[19:04] <balloons> from lp
[19:04] <AlanBell> now, how can I get a list of all meeting slugs from summit?
[19:04] <AlanBell> for uds-q
[19:15] <cjohnston> AlanBell: api
[19:23] <mhall119> AlanBell: http://summit.ubuntu.com/api/meeting/?summit__name=uds-q
[19:24] <AlanBell> perfect, I was nearly there ;)
[19:30] <AlanBell> there are 324 meetings that I can see
[19:30] <AlanBell> ooh wget to something behind openID. Interesting.
[19:35] <cjohnston> jono: can we retarget the milestone for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-app-developer-tutorial-growth so I stop getting spammed please?
[19:36] <Daviey> AlanBell: probably easier to reuse a cookie, but less reliable.
[19:36] <mhall119> AlanBell: is there no end to our openid trouble?
[19:36] <mhall119> :(
[19:37] <cjohnston> AlanBell is the end to our openid trouble
[19:39] <AlanBell> Daviey: yeah, I am doing that
[19:40] <AlanBell> it only needs to work once
[19:45] <jcastro> hey balloons
[19:45] <jcastro> is there a way to request certain coverage?
[19:45] <balloons> jcastro, what do you mean? test coverage?
[19:45] <balloons> app coverage?
[19:45] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/966556
[19:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 966556 in empathy "Share Desktop with Empathy need before to go to Share your Desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:45] <jcastro> app/use case
[19:45] <jcastro> so basically, we shipped 12.04 with broken desktop sharing
[19:46] <jcastro> (Ken is on it and will SRU it)
[19:46] <balloons> ahh
[19:46] <balloons> yes, perfect example
[19:46] <jcastro> yeah so when I run into things like this
[19:46] <balloons> we can add coverage for that
[19:46] <jcastro> what should I do?
[19:46] <jcastro> ok, tell you. Got it. :)
[19:46] <balloons> lol
[19:46] <balloons> umm.. no good point
[19:46] <balloons> hmm
[19:47] <balloons> i'll note it and talk about it
[19:47] <balloons> maybe a tag on the bug (i know, YAT)
[19:47] <jcastro> I just randomly ran into it today
[19:47] <cjohnston> balloons: can we get test coverage for summit?
[19:47] <balloons> cjohnston, I'm sure since your a web developer you don't have any tests
[19:47]  * balloons ducks
[19:47] <balloons> do you have any unit test coverage?
[19:47] <cjohnston> we have tests
[19:48] <balloons> awesome
[19:48] <balloons> so what do you do when you find a bug?
[19:48] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/trunk/view/head:/summit/schedule/tests.py
[19:48] <cjohnston> fie a bug in LP and assign mhall119
[19:49] <balloons> right -- do you write a regression test for it?
[19:49] <balloons> to make sure it's covered and won't happen again?
[19:49]  * cjohnston doesnt write tests
[19:49] <balloons> or otherwise expand your tests to cover it, etc
[19:49] <balloons> aka, when you get a bug you want to reproduce
[19:49] <balloons> you have 2 options
[19:49] <balloons> do it manually, or write a test to do it
[19:49] <balloons> there is a third option
[19:49] <balloons> don't reproduce at all
[19:49] <balloons> :-)
[19:49] <cjohnston> lol
[19:49] <mhall119> balloons: we *should* write regression tests, yes
[19:50] <cjohnston> it isnt a bug if i dont trigger it
[19:50] <balloons> so the easiest way to get good coverage is to simply follow that mantra
[19:50] <cjohnston> dont trigger bugs?
[19:50] <balloons> got a bug.. write a test to reproduce, fix the bug.. test now passes
[19:50] <balloons> bug should never happen again
[19:50] <cjohnston> oh.
[19:51] <cjohnston> would probably be helpful if i could write tests then
[19:51] <mhall119> or if you knew a QA guy who would write them for you
[19:51] <cjohnston> that sounds better
[19:52] <balloons> no no no
[19:52] <cjohnston> that would be a great way for said QA guy to work on ubuntu membership
[19:53] <balloons> I don't have the mindpower today to soapbox on this I don't think
[19:53] <balloons> heh
[19:53] <balloons> if you divide a dev team into tasks like that, it is non-optimal
[19:54] <cjohnston> even better, he is offering to code AND write tests
[19:54] <balloons> anyways.. I know devs.. devs won't write tests.. heck, maybe it's too hard
[19:54] <balloons> depending on the language and tools, it can be
[19:54] <cjohnston> it doesnt make sense to me
[19:54] <cjohnston> thats my issue
[19:55] <cjohnston> writing tests makes sense.. the actual process doesnt
[19:55] <balloons> ahh
[19:55] <balloons> what is summit in?
[19:55] <cjohnston> pythoon
[19:55] <balloons> I don't have a ton of web exp.. but I did do quite a bit of php
[19:55] <balloons> ahh python.. django/
[19:55] <balloons> ?
[19:55] <cjohnston> yes
[19:55] <balloons> https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2/topics/testing/
[19:55] <cjohnston> mhall119 may do bad things if you mention summit and php in a sentence, fwiw
[19:56] <balloons> see above cjohnston .. no excuse for you, haha
[19:56] <balloons> batteries included
[19:56] <balloons> :-)
[19:56] <cjohnston> still doesn't make sens
[19:56] <cjohnston> sense
[20:00] <balloons> what doesn't make sense about it
[20:00]  * mhall119 gets stabby when peoiple start using PHP around summit
[20:01] <balloons> understanding how to test your code causes you to sometimes change the way you code
[20:01] <balloons> which imho is a good thing
[20:01] <balloons> you get cleaner interfaces
[20:01] <cjohnston> i get what they are doing, its being able to reproduce
[20:01] <balloons> if you can't test it.. likely something is lacking in your design.. personal experience
[20:02] <balloons> your basic unit tests are intended to take your methods thru all the motions
[20:02] <balloons> you want to create objects and run all the methods on said objects.. then verify the data looks the way you want it to when your done
[20:03] <balloons> aka, if you have a method that joins 2 strings
[20:03] <balloons> you want to test that it indeed, does join 2 strings
[20:03] <balloons> you would setup and create 2 strings
[20:03] <balloons> call the method and pass the strings
[20:03] <balloons> then check the result against what you know the data should look like.. aka the 2 strings joined
[20:06] <balloons> from then on you want to test all your edge cases as well.. what if I don't pass 2 strings... what if one of the strings has a weird character in it, etc.. poor example I guess, but you get it (i hope)
[20:07] <cjohnston> i get the concepts
[20:11] <jcastro> mhall119: hey it's been 2 days, Ubuntu TV PPA?
[20:11] <jcastro> :)
[20:12] <balloons> cjohnston, then it sounds like you simply need to try it
[20:12] <mhall119> jcastro: what are you asking me for?  It's popey's work item
[20:14] <jcastro> oh
[20:14] <jcastro> popey: hey. satan.
[20:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:48] <czajkowski> oh god another post uds memem
[20:48] <czajkowski> *meme
[20:58] <jcastro> technoviking: hanging in there?
[21:07] <jono> czajkowski, :-)
[21:07] <jono> popey, around?
[21:08] <czajkowski> jono: he hasnt' been around much today, sick with ubuflu
[21:09] <jono> ahhh
[21:09] <jono> sounds like a good opportunity to humiliate him on the Internet
[21:09] <jono> lol
[21:09] <czajkowski> jono: yer evil
[21:10] <jono> lol
[21:11] <czajkowski> at least it's on G+ and nopt on planet that killed peoples phones when trying to read planet the last time
[21:21] <czajkowski> jcastro: you about having issues logging into AU, as going in via LP open id
[21:22] <jcastro> hmm?
[21:22] <czajkowski> pmd you
[21:30] <AlanBell> cjohnston: mhall119 and anyone else who was looking for it, http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/actions.txt which is grepped from http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uds-q.tar.gz which is the content of every pad from UDS-Q
[21:30] <cjohnston> 1.. yay!
[21:32] <AlanBell> I just used cat and grep and sort to make the big list, someone with better grep skills than me could probably add in the sessions that they were grepped from
[21:33] <czajkowski> AlanBell: WOW!
[21:33] <AlanBell> that did involve opening 324 tabs in firefox and then closing them all again one by one
[21:33] <czajkowski> you have the patience of a saint
[21:34] <AlanBell> it was an accident, I was a bit annoyed at it!
[21:35] <czajkowski> hmm guess I should poke synet about upgrading from 10.04 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7baUmnR-130/T7JrnsCWPuI/AAAAAAAADbw/d4EyGWUyIsE/s696/12+-+1  weird seeing at login screen
[21:37] <greg-g> btw, less than 50 bugs until LP hits 1,000,000
[21:37] <AlanBell> woot
[21:38] <greg-g> everyone go file your pet bug and hope to get it!
[21:39] <greg-g> czajkowski: I assume there is a blog post lined up and ready to go? :)
[21:39] <jcastro> greg-g: missed you on friday. :(
[21:39] <greg-g> jcastro: yeah man :(
[21:39] <greg-g> as you could infer from my last blog post, last week wasn't good :(
[21:40] <czajkowski> greg-g: let me count the ways on how long my to do list is right now :)
[21:40] <greg-g> haha
[21:40] <greg-g> ditto, I should ignore this, but I love stupid numbers
[21:41] <czajkowski> we have a comms guy on the team shall remind him of this )
[21:41] <czajkowski> :)
[21:41] <greg-g> czajkowski: someone should get a t-shirt or something
[21:43] <czajkowski> I have ooodles of stickers
[21:43] <czajkowski> I'll send you some :)
[21:44] <greg-g> weeee!
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> But he has learnt that he could better use chromium next time
[22:19] <technoviking> jcastro: it is all good, the header matches the wiki and ubuntu.com better (flush to top and smaller)
[22:20] <czajkowski> technoviking: it looks great well done
[22:20] <technoviking> have one person saying that the new forums theme violate ADA standards, may send him CC way :)
[22:20] <technoviking> bwhahaha!!!!
[22:21] <jcastro> yeah that looks nice
[22:21] <czajkowski> ADA?
[22:21] <jcastro> looks like on the site it has a bit of a 3dish darker vibe too
[22:21] <jcastro> czajkowski: americans with disabilities act
[22:22] <czajkowski> ther eis an act just for the ameicans?
[22:22] <czajkowski> not a world standard?
[22:22] <czajkowski> most odd
[22:23] <technoviking> anyone know where I can get a copy of the wide dotted background from ubuntu.com?
[22:24]  * AlanBell is quite glad we don't have a common legislature with the USA
[22:24] <jcastro> is it in the web assets?
[22:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: why?
[22:25] <AlanBell> that is a big topic :)
[22:25] <AlanBell> specifically on the ADA stuff technoviking, get them to provide details and file bugs
[22:27] <AlanBell> I would be astonished if the new theme was in any way worse than the old theme
[22:28] <jcastro> that's just "I don't like the theme and I know what the ADA is"
[22:28] <jcastro> ditto 503c probably
[22:28] <jcastro> and so on
[22:28] <cjohnston> technoviking: summit
[22:29] <cjohnston> technoviking: what are the complaints about ada
[22:29]  * AlanBell gives czajkowski http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=4338&CatID=87 so as not to be left out
[22:30] <czajkowski> ahhh
[22:31] <AlanBell> with every country having its own legal standards for how a website should work you are always going to be non-compliant somewhere in the world
[22:32] <cjohnston> I'm curious as to the specific complaints
[22:36] <technoviking> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuforums.org/+bug/999432
[22:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 999432 in ubuntuforums.org "Theme background and contrast causing vision dificulty and headaches." [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:37] <AlanBell> srsly
[22:37] <jcastro> COMPLAINS ABOUT WHITE BRIGHT
[22:38] <jcastro> POSTS ON LAUNCHPAD
[22:38] <jcastro> I need a meme generator
[22:39] <czajkowski> wow
[22:39] <cjohnston> technoviking: please make sure you are following the guidelines
[22:39] <technoviking> cjohnston: yup, as close as I can
[22:40] <MrChrisDruif> jcastro; that WOULD be cool
[22:41] <technoviking> later all, AC just died in my office :( 87 degrees and climbing
[22:41] <jcastro> man, tonight is Taco Tuesday
[22:41] <technoviking> TACOS RULE!!!
[22:41] <balloons> TACOS!
[22:41] <jcastro> I even got reservations tonight
[22:41] <jcastro> so i don't miss out
[22:42] <technoviking> those are fancy tacos
[22:42] <technoviking> cjohnston: let me know if I miss something in the guidelines
[22:43] <cjohnston> im lookin around
[22:43] <cjohnston> technoviking: http://design.ubuntu.com/web/rounded-corners-and-drop-shadows   the orange main nav bar
[22:44] <AlanBell> technoviking: different people do percieve colours differently and such issues can indeed be real, which is why we have awesome colour filter technology in compiz that can remap and adjust colours all over the place (except for the launcher and dash and nux stuff)
[22:47] <cjohnston> technoviking: I believe that <div page> has the wrong color
[22:50] <cjohnston> technoviking: do you have the theme in a branch?
[22:52] <cjohnston> technoviking: join #ubuntu-website if you dont mind
[22:55] <jcastro> hah! busted!
[22:56] <cjohnston> technoviking: tomorrow I will ping the web team and get feedback
[22:57] <cjohnston> I'm thinking that Ubuntu is much more inline than Ubuntu white tho
[23:33] <technoviking> cjohnston: back
[23:33] <technoviking> div page>
[23:33] <technoviking> ?