[00:51] <TheMuso> robert_ancell is on a mission! :)
[00:53] <TheMuso> That being to remove launchpad-integration.
[00:58] <bryceh> oh?
[01:06] <TheMuso> Yep, in the GNOME plans session it was decided to drop it, and plans are being made to possibly create an indicator that will help users get involved with testing/filing bugs.
[01:08] <bryceh> ah, interesting
[01:10] <robert_ancell> TheMuso it's pretty much gone now
[01:10] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, actually the next step is to remove it from the archive - how do we do that?
[01:11] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Simply file a bug against launchpad-integration and ask for removal, subscribing ubuntu-archive, and explaning why you want it removed.
[01:13] <bryceh> TheMuso, hey, had a question regarding package removals
[01:13] <TheMuso> bryceh: Sure, not sure if I will be able to answer it though.
[01:13] <bryceh> TheMuso, if the package to be removed is in debian, is it actually meaningful to do a removal request?
[01:14] <bryceh> i.e. say you have packages a and b both from debian, but we should only carry b in ubuntu, would it make sense to do a ubuntu removal request for a, if debian intends to continue carrying both?
[01:14] <TheMuso> bryceh: Not in Ubuntu. Afaik our archive admins regularly check package removals in debian, and will remove the pacakge in Ubuntu as well.
[01:14] <TheMuso> SO remove it in Debian, it will be removed in Ubuntu, particularly if its a package that is auto synced from Debian.
[01:15] <TheMuso> If we have Ubuntu changes, it may need further checks to see if we want to remove it or not, but other than that.
[01:15] <bryceh> TheMuso, but for a package that debian will not be dropping?  (Or at least, is still unconvinced)
[01:15] <TheMuso> bryceh: I think we just remove it ourselves, and blacklist it from being synced.
[01:15] <RAOF> It *does* make sense to request a removal for a package that's expected to remain in Debian; it gets removed, and added to the sync blacklist.
[01:15] <bryceh> ok thanks
[01:16] <TheMuso> bryceh: For example, I requested the removal of some legacy at-spi stuff the other day. Debian still has it, and it may stick around there for a while, but for us, it will only get in the way and cause upgrade headaches in certain circumstances, and since they are no longer maintained upstream, its easier to have them out of our, or should I say my, hair.
[03:13] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ubuntustudio-meta needs updating to drop launchpad-integration - can I do that or should I open a bug?
[03:14] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: If you have write access to the seeds, go ahead. If not, let me know and I'll modify the seeds, so you can go ahead and update the meta.
[03:15] <TheMuso> i.e I can modify the seeds, and you can still do the meta if you want. I can do both if you prefer.
[03:16] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, if it's ok can you do it.  I'd prefer to have someone from the project do it
[03:17] <TheMuso> Yep I will take care of it.
[03:20] <TheMuso> Ok seeds updated, just doing the meta now, and will upload.
[03:42] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Done.
[03:57] <pitti> Good morning
[03:59] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[03:59] <TheMuso> Hope you managed to catch up on sleep. :)
[04:01] <pitti> hey TheMuso
[04:01] <pitti> TheMuso: I was indeed; unlike on the way there, I had about zero problems to adapt back here
[04:01] <pitti> TheMuso: how about yourself?
[04:03] <TheMuso> Crashed about 7:30 last night, and slept till about 6:40 this morning. Feeling ok atm, but will have another early night to really catch up properly.
[04:51] <didrocks> good morning
[05:00] <pitti> hey didrocks
[05:00] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, how are you?
[05:00] <pitti> didrocks: quite well, thanks! how about yourself?
[05:00] <pitti> didrocks: I seemed to have zero trouble readjusting on the way back
[05:01] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fine as well, waking up a little bit earlier than usual (and same for fighting against sleeping yesterday evening), but mostly on track as well :)
[05:02] <didrocks> pitti: nice that you didn't have the same issue than for adjusting to San Francisco timezone
[05:58] <jasoncwarner_> morning EU folk :)
[06:02] <didrocks> hey jasoncwarner_!
[06:02] <didrocks> it seems your trip back wasn't straightforward?
[06:03] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner_
[06:03] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: back home at last?
[06:03] <jasoncwarner_> hey pitti and didrocks
[06:03] <jasoncwarner_> yeah, got home late mother's day (sunday), but it was a bit of an adventure
[06:03] <jasoncwarner_> but, all's well that ends well type of scenario ;)
[06:03] <didrocks> heh :)
[06:04] <jasoncwarner_> how about you guys? hopefully straightforward?
[06:05] <didrocks> it seems that someone tried to escape the flight during the night by trying to open an exit door. 4 people stopped him and he got locked in the restroom
[06:06] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: wha? :/
[06:06] <jasoncwarner_> Ok, that is actually more excitement than mine!
[06:06]  * Sweetshark got home rather good and hopes that all non-A380-transatlantic-flights will stop by the end of the year, so that he never need to fly one of those old 1960-tech boeings again ...
[06:07] <pitti> Sweetshark: I indeed found it to be rather quiet
[06:08] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: well, I was at the back of the plane and hopefully didn't notice it. Should have been less fun for people near the center of the plane
[06:08] <TheMuso> Yeah, whenever I have to fly on a 747 I always audibly groan.
[06:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: and there is some room at the foodplace to do some gymnastics ...
[06:08] <Sweetshark> TheMuso: 747 is still better than 757 in my recollection.
[06:09] <TheMuso> Sweetshark: Still too loud compared to the 380.
[06:09]  * micahg thinks the 787 would be nice
[06:10]  * jasoncwarner_ thinks there is a bunch of plane nerds in this forum ;)
[06:10] <jasoncwarner_> that being said, I like the a380!
[06:10] <Sweetshark> micahg: hoping for technology from the 22nd century? or have they sold actually one by now?
[06:11]  * micahg thought a few sold already
[06:11] <TheMuso> Yes they have.
[06:11] <TheMuso> The humidifiers is enough of a reason to want to travel on one IMO.
[06:12] <pitti> TheMuso: oh, they have? I did notice that my nose and lips weren't dried out, as on the way to SF
[06:12] <Sweetshark> right, after all DukeNukem3D is released too. But somehow we are not yet all running hurd .... strange.
[06:12] <TheMuso> pitti: No, the 380 doesn't, but the 676 does.
[06:12] <TheMuso> err 787
[06:14] <Sweetshark> didrocks: congrats to survive that flight without a decompression then btw (already followed that "interesting flight" story on g+)
[06:20] <didrocks> Sweetshark: quite a bit freaky, indeed :)
[06:23] <RAOF> From what I understand the 787 isn't meant to be a 747/A380 replacement, though.  Which is disappointing!
[07:47] <rickspencer3> pitti is on a blueprint obsleting rampage
[07:47] <pitti> heh, cleaning up https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~pitti/+specs?role=approver :)
[07:53] <mlankhorst> >:D
[08:01] <bryceh> death to antique blueprints
[08:07] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:15] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, BigWhale
[08:15] <jasoncwarner_> hey BigWhale and chrisccoulson
[08:15] <pitti> yay, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~pitti/+specs?role=approver is empty now
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, jasoncwarner_ and BigWhale. how is everyone?
[08:16] <didrocks> doing well, thanks, yourself?
[08:16] <didrocks> pitti: feeling free? :)
[08:16] <BigWhale> I'm recovering from jetlag ... slowly :/
[08:16] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: pretty good, thanks for asking. I mean, my house has a roof on it...yours? ;)
[08:16] <pitti> didrocks: :)
[08:17] <BigWhale> and being at work early in the morning doesn't really help :>
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, heh, that's good. we still have a leaking roof here ;)
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:19] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson; I'm quite fine, thanks! how about you?
[08:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, not too bad thanks. still a bit tired though
[08:21] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: I found the secret to that. Apparently you can order caffeine in powder form on the internet! I mean, how cool is that? now, I just need to remember if it is 1g or 10g. Might as well start with 10g...can't hurt, right?
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> lol
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'd go for the 10g :)
[08:31] <mlankhorst> pitti: ping?
[08:32] <pitti> mlankhorst: hello
[08:32] <seb128> hey
[08:32] <mlankhorst> pitti: should the items from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-xorg-lts-backport-2 pad be coalesced into https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-xorg-lts-updates ?
[08:32] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:33]  * pitti hugs seb128
[08:33]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:33] <pitti> mlankhorst: or desktop-q-xorg-lts-backport-2 could just be made obsolete, if it is a duplicate spec
[08:34] <seb128> robert_ancell really wants to see lpi going away it seems ;-)
[08:34] <mlankhorst> it was a session specifically created to resolve some issues we had with how we would handle some stuff, so coalescing + declaring obsolete is ok?
[08:35] <pitti> mlankhorst: sure, unless it's really about two different topics
[08:35] <mlankhorst> kk :)
[08:37] <mlankhorst> seems just that it needs to be declared obsolete then
[08:40] <seb128> pitti, would you like to do the glib update to the new unstable serie? normally I would do it but I keep my system on stable since I will focus on .1 and I didn't set up a quantal vm yet (and I would prefer that it gets testing by something running unity 3d on real hardware as well)
[08:41] <pitti> seb128: can do this afternoon, yes
[08:41] <seb128> pitti, thanks, no hurry, doesn't need to be today
[08:41]  * seb128 starts on GNOME 3.4.2 for SRU
[08:42] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va?
[08:42] <seb128> didrocks, lut, nickel, toi ?
[08:42] <didrocks> ça va bien :)
[09:22] <BigWhale> Err, how do I remove ubuntu-desktop and all the desktop packages?
[09:33] <pitti> seb128: note that I accepted some "proposed" quantal BPs and also moved one or two stragglers from precise
[09:33] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:33] <seb128> pitti, is there a page that list the "proposed" bps?
[09:33] <seb128> or did you just go through the list?
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: link at the bottom of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+specs
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: but I mostly cleaned up https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~pitti/+specs?role=approver and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~pitti/+specs?role=drafter
[09:37] <pitti> i. e. closing obsolete ones, and adjusting the ones for quantal
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks
[10:20] <seb128> pitti, do you think that GNOME 3.4.2 updates with only a few updated translations are worth an upload?
[10:50] <xclaesse> is it possible to make ubuntu stop creating "Ubuntu One" folder in my $HOME ?
[10:50] <xclaesse> I've no idea why it randomly appear sometimes
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: not sure really
[11:04] <seb128> xclaesse, uninstall ubuntuone I guess?
[11:04] <seb128> pitti, I decided that not, I just did vinagre since it's in universe and can't be langpacked through launchpad
[11:04] <seb128> pitti, the other SRUs I'm doing have actual fixes as well
[11:04] <pitti> ok
[11:05] <seb128> pitti, I did a few verification-done tagging and some uploads this morning, I will continue this afternoon with nautilus, glib and gtk stable updates
[11:05] <seb128> but finishing lunch,coffee first ;-)
[12:29] <seb128> pitti, let me know when you have a minute to discuss desktop-q-third-party-driver-installation
[12:39] <pitti> seb128: I have now
[12:39] <seb128> pitti, small questions
[12:39] <seb128> 1- the summary has "we need the "printer drivers from openprinting.org" logic moved into s-c-p"
[12:39] <seb128> should that be on the workitems list somewhere?
[12:39] <seb128> no w.i seems to mention printing
[12:40] <pitti> indeed it should, adding
[12:41] <seb128> thanks
[12:41] <pitti> done
[12:42] <seb128> pitti, second one is rather a question to make sure we don't overlook anything ... is ubiquity interacting with jockey in any way and if it does should we have a wi to check that it keeps working?
[12:42] <pitti> it does indeed, so we'll need a wrapper script for that
[12:42]  * pitti adds WI
[12:44] <seb128> pitti, thanks, spec approved ;-)
[12:46]  * pitti hugs seb128
[12:46]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[12:56] <pitti> seb128: I'm inclined to drop glib's "revert single include" patch now, WDYT?
[12:57] <seb128> pitti, go for it
[12:57] <seb128> I think we fixed a good part of the rdepends previous cycle
[12:57] <seb128> now is a good time also to fix the remaining ones
[13:01] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-libreoffice-packaging reading for review? if it is please change the "definition" to review
[13:15] <seb128> mterry, hey
[13:15] <seb128> mterry, how are you? had a good flight back?
[13:15]  * pitti waves to mterry
[13:16] <mterry> pitti, hi!
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, will you sru the new pygobject stable update?
[13:16] <mterry> seb128, yeah.  I'm fine.  My roommate is sick, so I may have escaped the ubuflu only to run into the arms of the everyday flu.  :)
[13:16] <seb128> mterry, :-(
[13:17] <seb128> mterry, with some luck it's the same flu you had before UDS and you are immune to it still ;-)
[13:17] <mterry> Here's hoping
[13:17] <seb128> mterry, I'm reviewing blueprint, is there any design document for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-update-manager ?
[13:18] <seb128> mterry, if so it would be nice to add the whiteboard
[13:18] <seb128> mterry, doh, just saw the "Read the full specification" link
[13:18] <seb128> ignore the question ;-)
[13:18] <mterry> seb128, :)
[13:19] <mterry> seb128, just filed a merge request to drop the changelog view in update-manager.  QQ  it will be missed
[13:19] <seb128> mterry, set it to review if it's good to be reviewed (seems to be the case)
[13:19] <pitti> sefewf wefadmed
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, time to change password
[13:19] <seb128> ;-)
[13:19] <Laney> there are still quite some glib-single-include bugs http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=glib-single-include;users=pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
[13:21] <pitti> e
[13:21] <pitti> seb128: yes, can do; packaging 3.2.2 ATM
[13:21] <pitti> seb128: then I'll just need to mangle the changelog and upload
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, great, thanks
[13:22]  * pitti needs to get back to a working computer
[13:22] <pitti> whatever that glib test suite does, it's super-evil
[13:22] <pitti> first it broke my keyboard, now it froze my X session
[13:22] <pitti> dbus-launch weechat in a VT FTW
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, btw for things like nautilus 3.4.2 which has fixes that are in 3.5 git
[13:22] <seb128> do you want the fixes backported in quantal at the same time?
[13:23] <seb128> or is it fine to wait for 3.5.2 tarball to get them in quantal?
[13:23] <seb128> (we already have 3.5.1 but those commits will be in .2)
[13:23] <pitti> seb128: we can't miss them this way, so please mention that on the bugs, and add a quantal task
[13:24] <seb128> pitti, I did that, thanks
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[13:37] <seb128> how are you? had a good flight back?
[13:37] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:37] <kenvandine> yup, and you?
[13:38] <seb128> quite good thanks, we did got a airbus a380, great plane
[13:38] <seb128> i.e lot less noisy that other planes
[13:38] <kenvandine> nice!
[13:38] <seb128> which is good ;-)
[13:38]  * mlankhorst didn't have trouble sleeping from noise, just lack of night
[13:39] <kenvandine> i did a fresh install of quantal yesterday
[13:39] <mterry> mpt, I just noticed a tiny line in your update-manager spec that says "Below the list of updates should be a pane describing the selected update. This pane should be collapsed by default."  I almost missed that and thought there was no changelog box at all.  Is that pane the same changelog pane we have now or some future more user-friendly description that we don't have the architecture for yet
[13:39] <mterry> ?
[13:40] <seb128> kenvandine, how did it go?
[13:40] <mpt> mterry, it's collapsed by default *because* we don't have an architecture for user-friendly description of updates
[13:40] <kenvandine> smooth, besides trying to use thunderbird :)
[13:40] <mpt> mterry, so yes, it's the existing changelog pane
[13:40] <kenvandine> thunderbird still defaults to syncing all mail
[13:40] <kenvandine> it was pegging my cpu for a couple hours yesterday and an hour this morning
[13:41] <kenvandine> before i disabled syncing mail locally :)
[13:41] <seb128> kenvandine, btw there is an empathy 3.4.2 update if you feels like sruing it
[13:41] <kenvandine> seb128, bcurtiswx is already doing it
[13:41] <seb128> ok, great
[13:41] <kenvandine> and folks as well
[13:41] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes i'm on it.. it's the remembering how to after a year thats slow ;)
[13:41] <mterry> mpt, so the current pane is actually a notebook with two tabs -- the changelog and the package description.  Do you want the description dropped?
[13:41] <seb128> kenvandine, bcurtiswx: ok, great ;-)
[13:42] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, no big rush, let me know if you need any help
[13:42] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, as always I will. :)
[13:42] <kenvandine> seb128, my brain was mush yesterday... a good day to migrate data and do an install :)
[13:42] <mpt> mterry, yes, I think so ... But I don't actually know whether people use the Description tab currently. Do you use it?
[13:43] <mterry> mpt, no, but I'm not the target audience.  :)  I could imagine someone that doesn't know what the heck a firefox is might want it
[13:43] <mterry> But I suppose packages describe themselves in the main list
[13:44] <mpt> mterry, applications will, at least
[13:44] <mterry> And again, those are rarely written for end users
[14:06] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[14:06] <jbicha> seb128: hi
[14:06] <seb128> jbicha, how are you?
[14:07] <seb128> jbicha, would you like to sru the clutter 1.10.4 update? it should fix bug #990302
[14:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 990302 in clutter-gtk "Scrolling for embedded Gtk+ widgets is broken in Clutter" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/990302
[14:07] <jbicha> I'm doing pretty good, and yes I was thinking of doing the clutter SRU this week
[14:08] <seb128> jbicha, ok great, I let it for you then ;-)
[14:10] <jbicha> seb128: could you sync jhbuild from unstable and gcr from experimental?
[14:10] <seb128> jbicha, ok
[14:15] <mterry> bryceh, I have a patch piloting scheduled this thursday.  You have one next thursday.  I'm looking to swap
[14:46] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-libreoffice-packaging https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-libreoffice-qa-testsuites https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-libreoffice-split marked for review. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-lo-menubar-polish still pending some feedback by olli (which might actually already be there, but I am having an em
[14:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok
[14:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, irc cut your lines after "but I am having an"
[14:47] <seb128> "but I am having an em"
[14:47] <seb128> rather
[14:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hm, current firefox (quantal) behaves odd -- when I switch to a tab that I didn't look at before (since starting firefox) it clears and loads the tab instead of showing the old page; that worked fine in previous releases
[14:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: known to you or want to get a bug for it?
[14:52] <seb128> mvo, hey
[14:53] <seb128> mvo, is there any new on the s-c and friends srus? ;-)
[14:57] <Sweetshark> seb128: ... but I am having an email blackout because of system reinstall) ...
[14:57] <pitti> seb128: glib 3.3.1 LGTM, uploading to experimental/quantal
[14:58] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[14:58] <seb128> larsu_, ^
[14:58] <larsu> seb128, \o/
[14:59] <pitti> larsu: oh, you were waiting for this?
[14:59] <larsu> seb128, is it safe to upgrade to q yet?
[15:00] <pitti> larsu: quite fine ATM
[15:00] <pitti> larsu: dist-upgrade on Friday was flawless, and today's dist-upgrade too
[15:00] <pitti> larsu: however, daily stability promise is only for and after alpha-1
[15:00] <pitti> so double-check apt-get dist-upgrade output before it removes half your desktop :)
[15:03] <jibel> Sweetshark, I'm setting up the env for LO testing but it failed to build on quantal http://paste.ubuntu.com/989053/
[15:03] <larsu> pitti, yeah I'm really paranoid about dist-upgrade these days... I've been bitten by that before ;)
[15:04] <larsu> pitti, I'll probably wait for a couple of weeks before upgrading my main machine
[15:11] <Sweetshark> jibel: oh, nice!
[15:15] <Sweetshark> jibel: hmm, I do not have an immediate fix/solution for that one ...
[15:16] <jibel> Sweetshark, no problem, I'm on vacation until next Monday :)
[15:18] <jibel> I'll file a bug with the log. there is also a dependency error on gcj-jdk
[15:20] <mvo> seb128: yes, I juszt uploaded it
[15:20] <seb128> mvo, \o/
[15:38] <pitti> good night everyone!
[15:41] <didrocks> have a good night pitti
[16:44] <mvo> seb128: I just noticed a regression, could you reject it again?
[16:48] <seb128> mvo, done
[16:52] <mvo> thanks seb128
[17:02] <didrocks> ok, time for dinner and evening here
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti - sorry, been out for another eye appointment this afternoon
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to switch firefox back to the old gcc later for now, maybe try again after that?
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> there are multiple test failures that suggest another miscompile :(
[17:17] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[17:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, had a good flight back?
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it wasn't too bad, although i didn't manage to sleep
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> how about you?
[17:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we lost you at the airport and didn't manage to say goodbye
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> heh, that's ok ;)
[17:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the flight was great, a380 for the win
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> nice :)
[17:18] <seb128> that was a lot less noisy than the other old planes we usually have
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've not been on one yet
[17:18] <seb128> not to mention recent tv system and usb plugs in the arm rest parts
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> and engines that don't fall apart when a fan blade breaks ;)
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j973645y5AA)
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> :-)
[17:19] <seb128> lol
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, that's the sort of thing i want to see on the in-flight entertainment :)
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> as well as a few air crash investigation episodes
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> i'm always watching that at home!
[17:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you want to watch people run out of the plane? ;-)
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> it would be a more comfortable flight :)
[17:24] <kenvandine> seb128, mind giving this a once over? lp:~ken-vandine/ayatana-scrollbar/package
[17:24] <kenvandine> it is a big change, moving from shared lib to gtk module
[17:24] <bryceh> mterry, fine by me to swap
[17:25] <mterry> bryceh, cool, thanks
[17:25] <kenvandine> seb128, that is destined to the scrollbars ppa for precise
[17:25] <seb128> kenvandine, you mean quantal?
[17:25] <kenvandine> no, building for precise to the ppa
[17:25] <kenvandine> not destined for precise
[17:25] <kenvandine> :)
[17:26] <kenvandine> i'll upload to quantal too
[17:26] <kenvandine> soon
[17:26] <seb128> kenvandine, is there anything in particular you want me to check there?
[17:27] <seb128> kenvandine, btw aruiz mentioned last week that he fixed the lo-menubar print preview segfault bug, did you SRU that yet? is that on your list?
[17:27] <kenvandine> well, it is no longer a shared lib
[17:27] <kenvandine> but a gtk module
[17:27] <kenvandine> i didn't see that
[17:28] <kenvandine> so i renamed the packages, etc
[17:28] <kenvandine> got a bug #?
[17:28] <seb128> kenvandine, #754562
[17:28] <kenvandine> thx
[17:28] <kenvandine> bug  #754562
[17:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 754562 in lo-menubar "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup() (Libreoffice with lo-menubar crash from page preview)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754562
[17:29] <kenvandine> wow... lots of dupes
[17:29] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, i didn't ping around at the sprint to get it fixed for no reason :p
[17:29] <kenvandine> so i guess it was fixed after the release i uploaded to quantal :)
[17:29] <seb128> kenvandine, he mentioned on our way to the GNOME dinner that he had the fix commited and that he pinged you about it IIRC
[17:30] <seb128> seems like miscommunication
[17:30] <seb128> can you check with him?
[17:30] <kenvandine> oh... he pinged me with a new release
[17:30] <seb128> right
[17:30] <kenvandine> i'll find the fix and cherry pick it
[17:30] <seb128> that has the fix for that bug
[17:30] <seb128> thanks
[17:30] <kenvandine> it included a few fixes
[17:30] <seb128> well, fixes are SRU welcome
[17:30] <seb128> if that's only fixes maybe SRU the new version
[17:31] <kenvandine> i'll look, it included changes that got merged into LO upstream
[17:31] <kenvandine> i'll look
[17:31] <seb128> thanks
[19:52] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok I get your request
[19:52] <jcastro> and a black window
[19:52] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok it's just slow, it works
[19:52] <kenvandine> are you controlling it now?
[19:52] <kenvandine> :)
[19:53] <kenvandine> jorge is awesome
[19:53] <kenvandine> ha!
[19:53] <jcastro> yes, controlling it now. :)
[19:53] <kenvandine> :-D
[19:53] <kenvandine> it is slow
[19:53] <kenvandine> ok, so it is fixed in quantal :)
[19:53] <kenvandine> hang on, testing again
[19:54] <kenvandine> nothing...
[19:54] <kenvandine> ok, so it is ignored in precise until i enable sharing
[19:54] <kenvandine> so i just need to backport that fix too
[19:54] <kenvandine> jcastro, are you getting my messages?
[19:55] <kenvandine> if not, go offline and online again
[20:27] <seb128> kenvandine, your overlay-scrollbar update seems fine to me
[20:34] <kenvandine> seb128, thx!
[20:34] <seb128> yw ;-)
[20:34]  * kenvandine uploads yet another vino SRU
[20:36] <seb128> kenvandine, did you backport the other fixes pointed on the bug?
[20:36] <kenvandine> for vino?
[20:36] <kenvandine> it was like 6 commits
[20:36] <seb128> yes
[20:36] <kenvandine> i got them all
[20:36] <seb128> ok
[20:36] <seb128> great work ;-)
[20:36] <kenvandine> :)
[20:37] <kenvandine> wish we had noticed vino being busted before 12.04 :)
[20:37] <seb128> yeah, another things we could improve our testing on...
[20:37] <kenvandine> yeah :(
[20:37] <kenvandine> so many details to test for so many packages
[20:37] <kenvandine> we need to figure out a way to manage that
[20:37] <kenvandine> it is hard enough to do that for our internal upstreams
[20:38] <seb128> well, the only true way is the rickspencer3's way
[20:38] <seb128> just add an automated test every time we fix a such issues to make sure it doesn't come back
[20:39] <seb128> we should at least make a list of those things we should automate test at some point
[20:40] <kenvandine> seb128, i also rolled in the 3.4.2 release
[20:40] <kenvandine> which was just an upstream translation
[20:40] <seb128> excellent
[20:40] <seb128> we just need to get RAOF or pitti to wave in some of the SRUs waiting in the queue tomorrow next ;-)
[20:49] <bcurtiswx> also the debian sync of folks would be great so it can be backported to precise
[20:59] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i'll look at sponsoring empathy for you tomorrow... bzr is giving me a traceback on merging your branch
[20:59] <bcurtiswx> i crashed bzr ?
[21:00] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:00] <kenvandine> :-D
[21:00] <bcurtiswx> could it be the bzr remove you had me do?
[21:00] <kenvandine> MalformedTransform: Tree transform is malformed [('versioning no contents', 'new-31')]
[21:00] <kenvandine> no
[21:01] <kenvandine> that was just cleaning up quilt stuff
[21:01] <kenvandine> i'll fix it up in the morning :)
[21:01] <kenvandine> i gotta get away from the computer for now... good night all!
[21:01] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, sounds good. nite
[21:02] <bcurtiswx> im heading out too nite all
[22:38] <robert_ancell> pitti, did you work out that gtk+ compile crash?  I'm still getting it on the latest version
[22:48] <RAOF> What's this about SRUs waiting in the queue?  I flushed the queues yesterday! ☺
[22:49] <TheMuso> heh
[22:49] <TheMuso> GNOME 3.4.2 is out, thats what. :)
[22:52] <jbicha> desrt: how do those per-session gsettings overrides work?
[22:52] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF TheMuso robert_ancell bryceh meeting reminder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-05-15
[22:52] <jasoncwarner_> please add your agenda items
[22:53] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, no page there?
[22:53] <TheMuso> Yeah I saw the same thing earlier.
[22:54] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: hmm...wonder where EU folk put it...one sec
[22:54] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, I just made a new entry
[22:57] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: ok
[22:58] <bryceh> heh
[22:59] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, I counted up the bugs on that multi-monitor blueprint.  We got to 66%.
[22:59] <TheMuso> So given its only been a few days since UDS, I have no agenda items.
[23:01] <RAOF> Likewise :)
[23:01] <bryceh> RAOF, well we could chat about the LTS point release ppa
[23:01] <RAOF> We could, true.
[23:03] <bryceh> RAOF, rickspencer had asked if we could have a PPA ready for testing within a week.  think that's possible?
[23:03] <RAOF> I don't see why not.
[23:04] <RAOF> Of course, that's kinda the point - to find out :)
[23:05] <RAOF> I see that Maarten's done a couple of test PPAs, but I haven't checked out their contents yet.
[23:07] <bryceh> RAOF, one thing we need to do is nail down the exact list of packages to be renamed
[23:08] <bryceh> I have a start of a list in the xorg tools bzr tree you can look at
[23:12] <RAOF> There seem to be a lot more -dev packages in there than I expected - do we actually need to backport all the protocol libraries?
[23:12] <bryceh> those were all referenced somewhere in the xorg-server control or rules files
[23:12] <RAOF> Or is this pessimistic - assuming that X might start using new features of things like libdbus?
[23:13] <bryceh> if there are binary packages in xorg-server we don't intend to provide in updates, that could help drop a lot of those
[23:13]  * RAOF eyes xvfb
[23:17] <bryceh> yeah I don't know what to do about some of the third party dependencies.  if there's any you think we should mull over particularly, maybe a discussion on ubuntu-x@ would be in order
[23:18] <RAOF> bryceh: I think all the things which need the protocol libraries (as opposed to the protocol *headers*) are things like xdmx, xephyr, etc.  They're not going to see *any* commits between now and 14.04, so they won't need newer libraries.
[23:19] <bryceh> okie
[23:19] <RAOF> I therefore think that building against the 12.04 libx*-dev packages will be fine, and we won't need to backport/rename them.
[23:21] <RAOF> The only thing we're likely to miss out on then is integration tests - *they're* likely to need the protocol libs, and will be testing new protocol.  We'd be able to not build those tests, though.
[23:23] <bryceh> right
[23:27] <RAOF> I'll send a message to ubuntu-x@