=== smb` is now known as smb === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === cking_ is now known as cking === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:00] so lets get this started [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started Tue May 15 16:00:34 2012 UTC. The chair is zul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:00] so hi, i hope everyone has recovered from uds with their livers mostly intact [16:01] meh [16:01] o/ [16:01] utlemming: i know you havent [16:01] hello [16:01] #stubtopic Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:01] #subtopic Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:02] o/ [16:02] so there isnt an topics from the previous meeting lets get right to it [16:02] o/ [16:02] #topic Quantal Development === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Quantal Development [16:02] so last week was uds, and people should be getting their blueprints ready [16:03] this includes their work items for the blueprints as well [16:03] +1 [16:03] also note that we'll be trying the new template version [16:03] \o/ [16:03] if you have never written a blueprint before you can ask for help as well [16:04] do we have the bzr/whiteboard integration working yet - maybe smoser or Ursinha` might know? [16:04] sigh [16:04] o/ [16:04] o/ [16:04] jamespage, Ursinha` and i talked a lot, but did not come to any real conclusion. [16:05] OK - suggest folk try out the template without a versioned whiteboard for the time being - we can swap over later. [16:05] sounds good [16:05] where do we find the new template again? [16:05] jamespage: can you send an email to ubuntu-server with the new template stuff? [16:05] +1 [16:05] zul: ack - please action me for that [16:06] #action jamespage to send out an email to ubuntu-server about the new template [16:06] ACTION: jamespage to send out an email to ubuntu-server about the new template [16:06] also it looks like we may need to update http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html for Quantal [16:06] ^^ action me [16:06] or is that just the header text that needs updated from Precise? [16:06] nah, needs a change. [16:07] #action daviey update release bugs for quantal [16:07] ACTION: daviey update release bugs for quantal [16:07] so looking at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html [16:08] there is possibly a good one or two SRU bugs that are good candidates for SRU of course they need to be fixed in quantal first [16:08] zul: How functional is the SRU tracker? [16:08] the one that jumps out at me is #880339 [16:08] bug 880339 [16:08] Daviey: havent touched it in a long time [16:09] it should be ressurected though [16:09] +1 [16:10] does someone want to take that action? [16:10] if i show them again where everything is and clear out the database and possibly update it for precise [16:11] zul: I can give that a try [16:11] zul: give it to me - kinda forms part of my holistic review of triage etc.. anyway [16:11] oooh...deathmatch [16:11] i though Ursinha` did something with it [16:11] jamespage: and now that you mention it, where should we be trackingnew bugs from now on? [16:11] zul ping jamespage and I offline [16:12] I would be interested in knowing how it works even if jamespage takes the full action [16:12] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/triage-report.html [16:12] #action zul talk to arosales and jamespage offline about SRU tracker [16:12] ACTION: zul talk to arosales and jamespage offline about SRU tracker [16:12] for the time being at least [16:12] anything else to bring up? [16:12] jamespage: thanks [16:13] jamespage/arosales/Daviey: is there anything im missing [16:13] for Quantal I think that is it for now [16:13] cool beans [16:13] I don't think so - blueprints and then merges! [16:13] zul: how long do we have? :) [16:14] Daviey: none [16:14] #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:14] hah hah! [16:14] no more travel please! :) [16:14] so summer is coming up, so that means stuff like oscon, velocity, linuxcon, etc, etc etc [16:14] gluecon coming up for m_3 [16:14] 23-24 may [16:14] i might go to linuxcon, but waiting to hear on that [16:15] (plumber's, really) [16:15] s3h: oh, neat! [16:15] * zul hopes to stay home this summer [16:15] oh yeah OLS as well [16:15] Daviey: actually we're going to have a sprint, just you and me, here in LA, for the next 3 weeks. [16:15] (waitingn to hear from Daviey that is :) [16:15] SpamapS: sounds awesome. [16:16] moving on [16:16] Velocity is coming up [16:16] wait [16:16] I think somebody is going to that [16:16] (sorry I got majorly lagged out there) [16:16] im guessing m_3 [16:16] velocity is at the end of june [16:16] Jorge and Hazmat I think [16:16] 27-28 June [16:16] no Velocity for me... I'll be out of pocket [16:17] Oh and LISA talk submission deadline is this week [16:17] so for all ubuntu server users, make sure you get your "Ubuntu server is awesome" talks submitted! :) [16:17] that is all [16:17] * smb hopes to go to Plumbers and maybe XenSummit as it is just before that [16:17] Isn't plumbers in San Diego? [16:17] mmm....more citrix marketing [16:17] it is [16:17] * m_3 just hopes Plumbers scheduling is working seamlessly atm :) [16:18] yes, san diego... late august I think [16:18] m_3: talk to the IS guys.. they wrote charms for the schedule boxes too [16:18] 29-31 [16:18] ok thats enough about events. :) [16:18] SpamapS: that's the one on the summit charm.. don't think we're doing anything beyond that [16:19] #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:19] hi hggdh [16:19] if you are around [16:19] lots of good qa sessions at uds as well [16:20] Yeah QA were the rockstars of uds-q :) [16:20] i guess he is not here [16:20] #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:20] hi smb [16:20] \o [16:21] Are there Questions ? [16:21] i didnt attend any kernel sessions at uds [16:21] As I don't think I have much to report [16:21] er...what kernel are we using for quantal? ;) [16:21] 2.6.24 [16:21] :-P [16:21] how retro [16:22] any questions for smb? [16:22] big news from kernel team was that -virtual may be going away. [16:22] yay! [16:22] Right, more of a packaging change [16:22] replacing it with a regular server kernel? [16:23] no, that does not exist anymore [16:23] generic or generic-pae [16:23] regular generic kernel [16:23] ah i see [16:23] And having a split between minimal and additional modules [16:23] cool [16:23] anything else for smb? [16:24] As an aside, currently we can get an indication of whether a reporter is using a "desktop" machine via the kernel in bug reports. With this going away, perhaps we should add information to see if X or ubuntu-desktop or something is installed? [16:25] rbasak: well they can still have a server with ubuntu-desktop installed [16:25] That's the thing - there's no real distinction in technical terms, but pragmatically the information is useful when triaging [16:26] right totally agree and thats been a problem for a long while [16:26] rbasak: we get the install media [16:26] Hm, I may be wrong but potentially the linux-server meta package is still there [16:26] rbasak: thats a good indication of what they intended at install time [16:27] Yeah, seems to be true [16:27] SpamapS: install media can be maas now as well though [16:27] anyways i dont think its going to be solved as well [16:27] rbasak, ^ [16:27] er...solved now [16:27] We don't always get the install media, eg bug 999614. [16:27] Launchpad bug 999614 in php5 (Ubuntu) "new SoapClient() with connection_timeout = NULL breaks multi-dimensional arrays" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999614 [16:28] That may be a cloud image or something [16:28] so moving on [16:28] rbasak: good timing [16:28] #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak) [16:28] Calxeda demoed MAAS working on their hardware at UDS! [16:28] Work on ARM server and MAAS is ongoing. [16:28] Any questions for me? [16:29] i want one [16:29] That's not a question :-) [16:29] please can i have one? [16:29] No. [16:29] :-P [16:30] I don't think any ETA for general marketing availability has been announced yet. [16:30] *market [16:30] * zul sighs [16:30] #topic Open Discussion === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Open Discussion [16:30] anyone want to get something off their chest [16:31] how was uds for everyone? [16:31] weird going back and forth for just 2 days [16:32] SpamapS: did you collect some good feedback for remote participants? [16:32] or was that handled pretty well? [16:32] I think we should consider google hangouts [16:32] we tried one for one talk. didn't work well [16:32] I see no reason to put people in a one-way audio bubble [16:33] I was in a couple of meetings where that worked OK [16:33] s3h: what went wrong? [16:33] google hangout swould be a useful addition. especially if integrated with the room. [16:33] need more bandwith i think [16:33] choppy, delay [16:33] Ah [16:33] I've found G+ to be choppy and delayed as well. [16:33] Thats surprising [16:33] How about a SIP hardware phone on speakerphone? [16:33] that would be aweseome [16:33] how about just mumble :) [16:34] SIP hardware phone was avaliable on request [16:34] did anyone try it? [16:34] The catch about two-way audio is that it relies on everyone being able to control their mute button [16:34] well anyway, I find it very hard to "participate" from IRC+delayed audio [16:34] The DMB meeting used one - it worked OK [16:34] SpamapS: +1, same here [16:34] But it did "work" and I felt that I was able to chime in a bit. [16:34] the delay makes it unusable if you're goign to be really involved [16:34] rbasak: thats the catch IRL too ;) [16:34] fine for just following along half-heartedly [16:35] The good thing about G+ is that someone managing things can identify who is causing an audio issue and remote mute him. [16:35] good conf lines can do that too :) [16:35] The catch is that this needs someone to manage things. [16:35] asterisk [16:35] i seriously didn't know about the sip lines. we should try those for next time [16:35] or yeah, asterisk to Daviey's server [16:35] anyway, remote participation is probably worth improving, but all in all, it worked fine and etherpad especially made it easy to keep track of session notes in multiple rooms [16:35] +1 for etherpad [16:36] just remember to save your notes.... [16:36] oh yeah - by when? [16:36] * jamespage shrugs [16:36] "before that storm rolling in" [16:36] not sure but the sooner the better [16:36] i would, but this meeting wont' end :) [16:37] lol [16:37] i think there was an email about uds feedback that you can do :) [16:37] so anything else so i can end the meeting for s3h? [16:37] if not [16:37] same time next week [16:37] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:37] Meeting ended Tue May 15 16:37:44 2012 UTC. [16:37] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-15-16.00.moin.txt [16:37] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-15-16.00.html [16:37] thanks :) [16:37] zul thanks for chairing [16:38] \o/ [16:38] arosales: no probs this is the longest possible time i have before i chair again ;) [16:38] lol [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] ## [17:00] ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. [17:00] ## [17:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [17:00] Meeting started Tue May 15 17:00:33 2012 UTC. The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise [17:00] # Meeting Etiquette [17:00] # [17:00] # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. [17:00] # 'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized) [17:00] Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting [17:00] o/ [17:00] o/ [17:00] o/ [17:01] o/ [17:01] o/ [17:01] o/ [17:01] [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Status (ppisati) [17:01] work on a Q/omap4 kernel is ongoing, but apart from that, nothing to report this week [17:01] .. [17:01] o/ Late [17:01] [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) [17:01] Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link: [17:01] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) [17:01] .. [17:02] [TOPIC] Status: Quantal Development Kernel (ogasawara) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: Quantal Development Kernel (ogasawara) [17:02] a few things... [17:02] [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-kernel-distro-team [17:02] Work items are beginning to populate the blueprints. I'll start calling [17:02] out specific work items in upcoming meetings. [17:02] We've rebased the Quantal kernel to upstream v3.4-rc7. We uploaded but [17:02] ran into a build failure on i386. Test builds are currently underway [17:02] and we will re-upload shortly. We also have the quantal kernel building [17:02] in precise. We are getting a PPA set up so that testing can commence. [17:02] Important upcoming dates: [17:02] * Thurs Jun 7 - Alpha 1 (~3 weeks) [17:02] .. [17:03] [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: CVE's (apw) [17:03] Currently we have 82 CVEs on our radar, with 5 new CVEs in the last [17:03] three weeks. See the CVE matrix for the current list: [17:03] [17:03] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html [17:03] [17:03] Overall the backlog has increased slightly slightly this week: [17:03] [17:03] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt [17:03] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt [17:03] [17:03] This week sees Quantal listed for the first time, and the addition [17:03] of the armadaxp kernels for ease of tracking. [17:03] [17:03] .. [17:03] [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Oneiric/Natty/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton/henrix) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Oneiric/Natty/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton/henrix) [17:03] Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (May 15): [17:03] [17:03] * Hardy - 2.6.24-31.101 - Testing; Single CVE [17:03] * Lucid - 2.6.32-41.89 - Testing; 5 CVEs [17:03] * Natty - 2.6.38-15.59 - Nothing this cycle [17:04] * Oneiric - 3.0.0-20.34 - Testing; 4 stable upstream releases (approx. 300 commits) [17:04] * Precise - 3.2.0-24.38 - Testing; 2 stable upstream releases (approx. 140 commits) [17:04] [17:04] Current opened tracking bugs details: [17:04] * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html [17:04] [17:04] For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information: [17:04] * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html [17:04] [17:04] Future stable cadence cycles: [17:04] * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock [17:04] [17:04] .. [17:04] [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [17:04] Thanks everyone [17:05] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:05] Meeting ended Tue May 15 17:05:01 2012 UTC. 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