| dogmatic69 | any way to rm ./ -<only_symlinks> | 00:36 |
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| dogmatic69 | rm `find ./ -type l` | 00:43 |
| directhex | find . -type l -exec rm -f {} \; | 00:49 |
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| === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial | ||
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Accomplishing An Awesome App Developer Platform - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/15/accomplishing-an-awesome-app-developer-platform/ | 06:03 |
| Knightwise | Morning everyone | 06:37 |
| Nafallo | morning | 07:00 |
| popey | /25 | 07:02 |
| popey | bah! | 07:02 |
| popey | (morning) | 07:02 |
| Nafallo | popey: /script load go.pl | 07:04 |
| DJones | Morning all | 07:05 |
| DJones | AlanBell: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/15/punjab_ubuntu_free_laptops_students/ 125,000 free laptops being given out with a further 300,000 planned for 2013 | 07:23 |
| daubers | Morning | 07:31 |
| Knightwise | hey daubers | 07:32 |
| Knightwise | how are you today | 07:32 |
| TOShrun | morning from the head office of Libertus Solutions ;-) | 07:35 |
| daubers | Knightwise: Almost awake! | 07:36 |
| daubers | TOShrun: Got interwebs now? | 07:37 |
| daubers | Knightwise: How goes things? | 07:37 |
| Knightwise | doing well, just landed a ubuntu legend for tomorrows interview on knightwise.com :) | 07:38 |
| daubers | Cool :) | 07:38 |
| DJones | I don't know why, when somebody is described as a "Legend", my brain always see's it as "Leg End" and makes me think of somebody who's less than useful :) | 07:40 |
| TOShrun | daubers: We haz fast interwebs... ~75Mbps/4Mbps | 07:40 |
| Knightwise | DJones: i beg to differ :p and so does popey | 07:40 |
| DJones | Heh | 07:40 |
| hoover | morning all | 07:45 |
| daubers | TOShrun: FTTC? | 07:45 |
| TOShrun | Infinity I believe | 07:46 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 07:46 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 07:46 |
| TOShrun | Unity has just decided to reset my monitor displays to 640x480. And I can't find the launcher - jeez I really am getting fed up with it. | 07:47 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:47 |
| TOShrun | great - unity --replace hasn't fixed it. better log out and back in again. *&%(Y&*&&*^*(Y | 07:48 |
| popey | its not unity --replace | 07:49 |
| popey | it's unity --reset | 07:49 |
| popey | AlanBell: tell him | 07:50 |
| popey | 08:49:54 < popey> its not unity --replace | 07:50 |
| popey | 08:49:57 < popey> it's unity --reset | 07:50 |
| popey | 08:50:00 < popey> AlanBell: tell him | 07:50 |
| popey | and it's unlikely it was unity which changed the resolution | 07:50 |
| TOShrun | gah - it shouldn't happen | 07:50 |
| popey | possibly compiz, but also unlikely | 07:50 |
| TOShrun | Something broke. | 07:50 |
| popey | what sequence of events led to that? | 07:50 |
| popey | plugging external monitor in? | 07:51 |
| TOShrun | I moved a window from one screen to the other | 07:51 |
| popey | what video card? | 07:51 |
| TOShrun | internal icore3 | 07:51 |
| TOShrun | laptop model | 07:51 |
| popey | got your ~/.xsession-errors and/or /var/log/Xorg.0* handy? | 07:56 |
| TOShrun | hang on a mo. | 07:57 |
| TOShrun | I have popey. Where would you like them? | 07:59 |
| popey | pastebin or something? | 08:01 |
| TOShrun | OK hang on. | 08:01 |
| * TOShrun installs pastebinit | 08:02 | |
| TOShrun | Xorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/988534/ | 08:04 |
| TOShrun | xsession http://paste.ubuntu.com/988535/ | 08:04 |
| ali1234 | yep, it's definitely messed up | 08:06 |
| TOShrun | lol | 08:06 |
| oimon | wha's the shortcut to lock the screen in the newest ubuntu? | 08:26 |
| TOShrun | Can I completely separate two monitors in Unity - so that when I move around my 4 workspaces on one screen it doesn't move around on the other monitor at the same time? | 08:28 |
| Azelphur | oimon: is it not ctrl+alt+L? | 08:28 |
| Azelphur | TOShrun: yes, what GPU do you have? | 08:28 |
| oimon | Azelphur, yes, it is thanks | 08:28 |
| TOShrun | just a intel internal Core i3 jobby | 08:28 |
| oimon | (took a long time to happen, but it did in the end) | 08:29 |
| TOShrun | on my laptop | 08:29 |
| Azelphur | TOShrun: ah, not sure how to do it on Intel, you can do it in xorg.conf if there are no GUI options, you are looking for separate X screens though | 08:29 |
| Azelphur | separate X screens are totally separate, you can't even drag windows between them | 08:29 |
| ali1234 | separate workspaces like you want are (would be) part of compiz | 08:30 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: lies? compiz doesn't support xinerama workspaces | 08:31 |
| TOShrun | I tried what seemed like the right sounding setting yesterday but it didn't seem to have any effect. | 08:31 |
| ali1234 | xinerama is irrelevant | 08:31 |
| ali1234 | workspaces are provided by the window manager | 08:31 |
| ali1234 | compiz can't do what you want, but it is because compiz sucks | 08:31 |
| JamesTait | Good morning, everyone! :D | 08:31 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: afaik it needs input redirection :P | 08:32 |
| ali1234 | gnome shell is a little bit closer like you want... you only get workspaces on the primary monitor and all the others effectively have 1 workspace that never changes | 08:32 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: rofl that sounds terrible | 08:32 |
| ali1234 | yes, it is | 08:32 |
| ali1234 | however, it is closer to what some people want than what compiz does | 08:32 |
| TOShrun | hmm. ok thanks for the input. Guess it is a no then. | 08:32 |
| Azelphur | TOShrun: only advice I have for you is separate X screens, I use separate X screens myself so I know it's the answer to your question, just dunno how to do it on anything but nvidia :P | 08:32 |
| TOShrun | ok | 08:33 |
| TOShrun | ty | 08:33 |
| ali1234 | seperate X screens is the worst of the lot. as mentioned, you cannot move windowws between monitors if you do that | 08:33 |
| Azelphur | ^ that + a lot of applications are buggy | 08:33 |
| ali1234 | again, workspace management has nothing to do with X, it is a window manager function | 08:33 |
| ali1234 | if window manager does not provide it the way you want, blame window manager :/ | 08:34 |
| Azelphur | oh yea, you could find a window manager that supports it properly | 08:34 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 08:34 |
| Azelphur | I may be in need of one myself sometime soon | 08:34 |
| ali1234 | i don't know of any that actually do it | 08:34 |
| ali1234 | gnome shell is probably the closest | 08:35 |
| ali1234 | kwin probably does it, it does everything | 08:35 |
| Azelphur | superuser.com says There are a number of tiling WMs which will do this (Awesome3, scrotwm, Xmonad, probably dwm and wmii), and you can configure a *box (Open/Flux) to do this. Not aware of a way to do it in KDE or GNOME, at least not easily. | 08:37 |
| Azelphur | o.O | 08:37 |
| ali1234 | also keyboard short cut to lock screen is probably click desktop then alt l o c k s c r e e n <enter> | 08:37 |
| ali1234 | yeah but tiling WM are horrible to use | 08:38 |
| gord | my keyboards have lock screen function keys | 08:38 |
| ali1234 | would be nifty if the key on G19 to turn off the backlight and screen also turned off the main monitors | 08:39 |
| * Azelphur would be happy if his G19 didn't continually randomly turn itself off | 08:40 | |
| * Azelphur stabs logitech | 08:40 | |
| ali1234 | then again, that also could be potentially really annoying since i like to turn that stuff off when watching a movie or something | 08:40 |
| ali1234 | i thought you were going to go maplins and get a new PSU? | 08:40 |
| Azelphur | I did | 08:40 |
| Azelphur | didn't fix it :< | 08:40 |
| ali1234 | well there isn't anything in it that could fail like that | 08:40 |
| Azelphur | I'll have to video it for you so you can see exactly what happens, then maybe you'll have an idea \o/ | 08:41 |
| ali1234 | "it just turns off" what else is there to know? | 08:41 |
| Azelphur | sometimes it boot loops too | 08:42 |
| Azelphur | the logitech logo will appear on the screen, and then it'll turn off, rinse and repeat | 08:42 |
| ali1234 | i think it's your computer | 08:42 |
| Azelphur | :< | 08:42 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't it have a history of killing USB devices? | 08:42 |
| Azelphur | nope | 08:43 |
| Azelphur | My g13 works fine so does my piano | 08:43 |
| ali1234 | what about that arduino? | 08:43 |
| Azelphur | I'm semi-convinced that was just a software issue | 08:43 |
| ali1234 | well there is simply nothing on the circuit board that can fail like that | 08:43 |
| Azelphur | fun | 08:44 |
| ali1234 | test it while not plugged in to computer | 08:44 |
| ali1234 | you will probably need to add a serial port to do that | 08:44 |
| Azelphur | bit difficult to do that, it only tends to fail while I'm using it and it usually takes a couple days of uptime to go weird | 08:44 |
| ali1234 | or test it on another computer | 08:45 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-Series-Gaming-Keyboards/g19-restarts-itself/m-p/432636/highlight/true#M10771 is sorta interesting | 08:46 |
| Azelphur | I tried turning off EHCI, but I dunno if there's a ubuntu equiv to sideshow devices | 08:46 |
| ali1234 | sideshow devices means those little LCD on the outside of the laptop | 08:47 |
| Azelphur | ah | 08:47 |
| Azelphur | second page is interesting, they blame a phone | 08:47 |
| Azelphur | I should test that | 08:47 |
| ali1234 | i have never seen any problems and i have uptimes of several weeks usually | 08:47 |
| Azelphur | do you usually have a mobile phone right next to your keyboard | 08:48 |
| ali1234 | yes, three actually | 08:48 |
| Azelphur | haha | 08:48 |
| Azelphur | maybe not that then :) | 08:48 |
| MooDoo | pah i've just smashed the screen on mine | 08:48 |
| Azelphur | MooDoo: ooops :x | 08:48 |
| ali1234 | if you count the ones not switched on there's 5 | 08:48 |
| ali1234 | also a n800 | 08:48 |
| MooDoo | Azelphur: yup pain in the neck | 08:49 |
| ali1234 | who knows though, they may have done different circuit board revs | 08:50 |
| ali1234 | or you might be further from the base station than me (thus your phone is yelling and mine is not) | 08:50 |
| Azelphur | I may well be pretty far from a base station | 08:51 |
| ali1234 | putting phone on keyboard, sending yourself a text and then watching it crash seems pretty conclusive to me | 08:51 |
| Azelphur | I'll test it tomorrow \o/ | 08:51 |
| Azelphur | I've had it crash a couple times when I put my phone on the keyboard, I was sorta tempted to say it was vibration, but maybe it's interference | 08:51 |
| ali1234 | well that's easy to test | 08:52 |
| * AlanBell has the same exact laptop as TOShrun and doesn't have unity hating me so much with multimonitor in 12.04 | 08:54 | |
| TOShrun | But AlanBell has beaten it into submission. I'm a newbie | 08:55 |
| AlanBell | maybe it wore me down into compliance | 08:56 |
| AlanBell | you have to go with the flow | 08:56 |
| TOShrun | Ah - maybe. I am so used to gnome2 just working and not breaking. Guess I was spoiled. Progress eh? | 08:56 |
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| AlanBell | yup | 08:57 |
| popey | yeah, GNOME 2 was 100% reliable for all of the last 7 years | 08:58 |
| popey | no, wait, the other one | 08:58 |
| ali1234 | the worst part is that it only got reliable about 6 months before it was canned | 08:58 |
| ali1234 | thus 6.5 years of hard work just discarded | 08:59 |
| AlanBell | unity is about ready for people to start testing it | 08:59 |
| awilkins | Yegods, Eclipse p2 is depressingly slow | 08:59 |
| TOShrun | 10.10 was great. It just worked. Always. | 08:59 |
| ali1234 | 10.10 was probably best release yet | 09:00 |
| ali1234 | pretty much since 11.04 i've been running exclusively +1 | 09:02 |
| ali1234 | because it's less broken than the releases | 09:02 |
| ali1234 | which i suppose means they are at least improving | 09:02 |
| SuperMatt | ali1234: I wouldn't say that 6.5 years of work was discarded. One would hope that a lot of the stable code, etc, was reused. | 09:04 |
| ali1234 | well the stable code that lives on in gnome 3 likely was around in gnome 1 | 09:05 |
| ali1234 | so it's a lot older than 7 years or w/e | 09:05 |
| SuperMatt | I would say that gnome 3 was exactly what was needed because I think that gnome 2 is hideously out of date and out of touch with what users want | 09:05 |
| ali1234 | nope. you are describing gnome 3 | 09:06 |
| Laney | ali1234 the user experience guru | 09:06 |
| SuperMatt | people only cry out for gnome 2 because they've just got their desktops the way they want them and don't want to change | 09:06 |
| ali1234 | why is that a problem? | 09:08 |
| ali1234 | do i come to your house and rearrange your furniture? | 09:08 |
| ali1234 | put the TV behind the couch because "that's more efficient" | 09:08 |
| ali1234 | and then accuse you of just not wanting to change? | 09:08 |
| SuperMatt | you do if I say "hey, I want the latest everything, and I'm happy to accept something off the shelf and have ikea do the work" | 09:08 |
| Laney | it's alright, with all of the contributions he's putting into MATE we'll be fine. | 09:10 |
| Laney | oh wait. | 09:10 |
| SuperMatt | I also think that some people confuse workflow efficiency with tinkering efficiency. Sure, there are a lot of hidden options which are a bitch to get to, but when you're configured, you need to focus on how well you work, and gnome 3 and unity do that very well | 09:11 |
| ali1234 | hey, i thought ubuntu was supposed to be for human beings, not developers? | 09:11 |
| TOShrun | Ah - tell that to Dell (Sputnik) | 09:11 |
| Laney | i'll tell you one thing it is definitely not for: people who persistently complain without doing any of the work. | 09:12 |
| TOShrun | oooh | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | uh, sorry | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | but if you want to make extra work by reinventing the whell, you can be damn sure i won't help you | 09:12 |
| Laney | you'll just snipe | 09:12 |
| Laney | we've established that | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | yes, i will | 09:12 |
| Laney | we have also established that it won't change a thing | 09:13 |
| Laney | so everyone's happy I guess | 09:13 |
| SuperMatt | huzzah! | 09:13 |
| * SuperMatt gets out the champagne | 09:13 | |
| ali1234 | but hey, we already established that i don't like change, so i guess i should just carry on? | 09:14 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: "keep calm and carry on" :) | 09:15 |
| Laney | i think you should get involved with developing a system you like, rather than complaining about those you don't | 09:15 |
| ali1234 | why? i don't have time for developing desktops. why do you think i am using ubuntu? | 09:15 |
| ali1234 | it's because i am lazy | 09:15 |
| Laney | well you've noticed that ubuntu isn't following your personal direction | 09:16 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 09:16 |
| Laney | so ... I don't see what you can do if you're not willing to get involved? | 09:16 |
| Laney | those who do the work get to make the decisions, that's how this stuff works | 09:16 |
| ali1234 | if i wasn't so lazy i would switch to something else | 09:16 |
| diplo | I do like Unity, I just find it lacking somewhere, and I can't work out what.. I am really trying this time but when I installed Cinnamon I felt that it worked better from the outset | 09:17 |
| diplo | I do feel the stability issues I've been having since Natty, and still somewhat into Precise have put me off A Lot | 09:17 |
| SuperMatt | I'm quite enjoying unity. I know it has a bug or two (or many) but it's still a very well rounded application. Now is the time to start using it, forsure | 09:17 |
| ali1234 | i've explained this many times. your getting annoyed with my lack of willingness to help is the natural end result of making an OS targetted at "humans" - humans are lazy and don't want to do any work and just complain. so this whole conversation is in fact indicative of ubuntu's "success" | 09:18 |
| diplo | My biggest issue/annoyanceat themo is the second app bar on secondary screen | 09:20 |
| diplo | If I could remove that I would be happier | 09:20 |
| popey | you can | 09:20 |
| Laney | of course you can complain all you want, but that doesn't mean anyone has to listen to you | 09:20 |
| directhex | unity today is less horrifically broken than shell is | 09:21 |
| Laney | i think, as you seem to have a vision, that you would be happier if you tried to implement it | 09:21 |
| diplo | oh, last time I asked it was only available to hide, havent checked recently | 09:21 |
| directhex | and i've been deploying ubuntu with unity rather than shell, since i don't have the time to run studies on my users to see if they want shell instead | 09:21 |
| popey | diplo: super -> display -> "Launcher Placement" | 09:21 |
| ali1234 | directhex: i absolutely agree | 09:21 |
| diplo | directhex, I totally agree with that, it got so bad for me on 11.04 I gave up and used a different DE for 6-8 months | 09:21 |
| diplo | ta | 09:21 |
| directhex | there's still plenty not to like in unity, but it's at least usable | 09:22 |
| diplo | popey, it sort of worked :) | 09:22 |
| diplo | And more stable | 09:22 |
| Laney | yeah, that it's not a tiling wm :( | 09:23 |
| directhex | as a random example, shell absolutely does not function with multi-monitors stacked vertically | 09:23 |
| directhex | especially with non-uniform sizes | 09:23 |
| diplo | It's gone to my right ( Secondary screen ) | 09:23 |
| popey | thats my main dual-screen use-case | 09:23 |
| popey | my monitor is behind my laptop | 09:23 |
| popey | so i put one above the other | 09:23 |
| directhex | popey, used shell? | 09:23 |
| popey | no, thats verboten ;) | 09:23 |
| ali1234 | really? i wouldn't have thought it would make any difference at all, given that shell just ignores any monitor after the first | 09:24 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:24 |
| czajkowski | popey: where are the plenary videos from uds ? | 09:24 |
| popey | youtube | 09:24 |
| AlanBell | now that alt-tab works I am ok with unity | 09:24 |
| directhex | ali1234, no, it doesn't. shell users are the majority in the office, and multi-monitor is very common. it almost works, except with vertical stacking | 09:24 |
| popey | http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers | 09:24 |
| AlanBell | czajkowski: they cut the good bits from Daviey's plenary | 09:24 |
| ali1234 | really? so you can have multiple workspaces on the secondary monitors now? | 09:24 |
| czajkowski | popey: thanks | 09:24 |
| directhex | no, the workspace behaviour is braindead. iirc it only supports something like mirroring, or one fixed workspace on the second display | 09:25 |
| directhex | not sure, i don't use multi monitor | 09:25 |
| directhex | unity annoyances are mostly that dash is laughably slow compared to Do | 09:26 |
| * popey goes back to bed with ubuflu | 09:26 | |
| czajkowski | popey: nn get well | 09:26 |
| directhex | and a few apps confuse the hell out of the thing that tracks window parentage. bamf, is it? | 09:27 |
| DJones | Should that not be UDSflu, rather than UBUflu | 09:27 |
| SuperMatt | popey: is that the UDS version of fresher's flu? | 09:27 |
| popey | yes | 09:29 |
| directhex | SuperMatt, yes | 09:29 |
| SuperMatt | gotcha | 09:29 |
| * popey chuckles at bamf | 09:29 | |
| popey | bad a$$ mo fo.. | 09:29 |
| directhex | BAMF! | 09:29 |
| directhex | popey, nope. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamf | 09:30 |
| gord | its the bamf application matching framework | 09:31 |
| popey | yeah yeah, that's the _sensible_ answer | 09:31 |
| gord | i have no idea what popey is talking about, ignore him | 09:31 |
| AlanBell | /ignore popey | 09:32 |
| gord | he is delirious from ubuflu | 09:32 |
| popey | its the ubuflu | 09:32 |
| popey | bed | 09:32 |
| popey | nn | 09:32 |
| AlanBell | nn | 09:32 |
| jussi | pish, popey is always delerious :P | 09:33 |
| directhex | at any rate, it poops itself over unison2.27.57-gtk | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | and anything java related | 09:33 |
| directhex | java has always confused window managers | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah, but it especially confuses bamf | 09:34 |
| directhex | chances are it'll be fine if you set the variable which makes java use the old X driver, not the new one | 09:34 |
| directhex | the old one worked with everything | 09:34 |
| ali1234 | nope | 09:34 |
| gord | java doesn't export any information that bamf can use to match windows -> desktop files, java needs to be fixed | 09:34 |
| ali1234 | also anything that is statically compiled tends to not work properly | 09:34 |
| AlanBell | is there any realistic prospect of java being fixed? | 09:36 |
| directhex | lol | 09:36 |
| ali1234 | having two binaries for one program, or two .desktop files for one program, really confuses it | 09:36 |
| directhex | AlanBell, nobody's "fixed" java for decades :p | 09:37 |
| AlanBell | now that it has been given the dementors kiss by oracle | 09:37 |
| ali1234 | and no, there is zero chance of java being fixed unless one of the bamf developers does it | 09:37 |
| ali1234 | <rant>you should just fix it instead of complaining about it</rant> | 09:37 |
| directhex | i like java being broken. | 09:38 |
| gord | would be nice if there were some sort of good bounty website for this kind of stuff | 09:38 |
| ali1234 | only if the bounties are actually worth the effort involved | 09:38 |
| ali1234 | $50 bounty for massive invasive changes to java that upstream will never accept = no thanks | 09:39 |
| directhex | the point of free software development is that it enables people to "scratch an itch" | 09:39 |
| directhex | any project which does not permit external contribution is effectively not useful in that sense, since you can't contribute scratched itches | 09:40 |
| * AlanBell installs eclipse to see how broken it is | 09:41 | |
| TOShrun | Ah - I wouldn't recommend running the packaged eclipse AlanBell | 09:41 |
| directhex | eclipse is why i quit developing in java | 09:41 |
| ali1234 | lol | 09:42 |
| ali1234 | eclipse isn't that bad | 09:42 |
| TOShrun | it gets very broken when eclipse updates some of it's packages. | 09:42 |
| directhex | i was a java dev once. it's true! my degree was mostly java-based | 09:42 |
| ali1234 | by which i mean, it isn't the worst thing about java | 09:42 |
| TOShrun | just download a tarball and run it from ~/bin | 09:42 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: what do you need eclipse for? | 09:42 |
| TOShrun | Eclipse works OK - it's a bit slow but I like the UI and integration of SVN and various languages | 09:43 |
| TOShrun | I also use Talend (built on Eclipse) | 09:43 |
| AlanBell | bigcalm: well apparently java applications don't work with unity | 09:44 |
| ali1234 | if you just want to test that i suggest something smaller | 09:44 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: have a look at NetBeans | 09:44 |
| AlanBell | it is installed now | 09:45 |
| AlanBell | so I have a launcher icon, I click it, it launches | 09:45 |
| ali1234 | *eventually* :) | 09:45 |
| AlanBell | I have SSD, it launches | 09:45 |
| AlanBell | gedit launches slightly faster, but not by much :) | 09:46 |
| AlanBell | click, have mouthfull of coffee, put mug down, its ready | 09:47 |
| ali1234 | gedit loads as quickly as switching to an already running instance here | 09:47 |
| ali1234 | so now it's loaded, what happens? | 09:48 |
| awilkins | AlanBell, I don't think Java and Unity are mutually exclusive | 09:49 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i never said they were | 09:50 |
| awilkins | AlanBell, I think Eclipse is actually blacklisted from the global menu | 09:50 |
| ali1234 | i just said java apps confuse bamf | 09:50 |
| awilkins | AlanBell, Something about it not coping with dynamic menu updates AFAIK | 09:50 |
| ali1234 | though open office (or whatever they're calling it this week) doesn't. that's written in java right? | 09:51 |
| AlanBell | oh, I turned off global menu because it breaks wayland | 09:51 |
| awilkins | Tasktop, which is an Eclipse RCP app, does work with the global menu (not sure if this is an oversight, or deliberate though) | 09:51 |
| awilkins | ali1234, LibreOffice is C++ with some Java bits | 09:51 |
| awilkins | Which they are trying to remove as fast as possible | 09:51 |
| ali1234 | ok, that's probably why it works then | 09:51 |
| awilkins | ali1234, There's a plugin - lo-menubar | 09:51 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: you use wayland? | 09:51 |
| awilkins | ali1234, But it's not regarded as stable enough to support, I've never had trouble with it | 09:52 |
| ali1234 | lo-menubar? what is that? | 09:52 |
| ali1234 | i'm talking about bamf, not global menus | 09:52 |
| awilkins | Oh, soz | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | I was running some stuff in weston, GTK things 'work' but only if you turn off all the canonical stuff that goes off piste and requires native X | 09:52 |
| ali1234 | i also have global menus turned off, because they suck | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | so overlay scrollbars and global menus need turning off | 09:53 |
| ali1234 | yep | 09:53 |
| ali1234 | porting all that stuff to wayland is going to be fun | 09:53 |
| awilkins | I quite like overlay scollbars for Eclipse, it has so many panes that the scrollbars become a major drain on it's screen real estate | 09:53 |
| ali1234 | luckily it will be fun for someone other than me | 09:53 |
| TOShrun | ali1234: How do you turn off that global menu thing? It get's on my nerves too. Having to move the mouse *way* up to the top of the screen - it used to be right there. | 09:53 |
| ali1234 | awilkins: and what if you want to resize the panes, and the handle thing just blocks you every time? | 09:54 |
| awilkins | ali1234, It's not something I recall being frustrated by | 09:54 |
| ali1234 | i currently have an open bug about that one | 09:54 |
| ali1234 | TOShrun: just looking up the guide for doing it | 09:55 |
| awilkins | ali1234, It may be worse since the most recent iteration of the scrollbars which are sensitive all along their height | 09:55 |
| ali1234 | you have to do a combination of removing packages and setting environment variables to get rid of it everywhere (because it requires so many hacks and patches to every UI toolkit) | 09:55 |
| TOShrun | ah | 09:56 |
| ali1234 | ok to start with you want to export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= in your prefered place for putting environment variables | 09:57 |
| ali1234 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/10481/how-do-i-disable-the-global-application-menu | 09:57 |
| ali1234 | this question seems out of date and i'm sure there was a much better one | 09:58 |
| TOShrun | There are a few links to other interesting pages. Will read when I have more time. Thanks | 09:59 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/105889/can-i-completely-disable-the-menu-proxy | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | there are also issues if you use X11 forwarding and such | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | ok, eclipse does not confuse bamf any more | 10:02 |
| directhex | BAMF! | 10:10 |
| AlanBell | eclipse seems like any other application to me | 10:10 |
| selinuxium | Hi all o/ | 10:16 |
| SuperMatt | word up | 10:17 |
| ali1234 | yeah, eclipse works fine | 10:17 |
| directhex | except for being eclipse | 10:17 |
| ali1234 | natch | 10:17 |
| ali1234 | i just mean in terms of launching, locking to launcher, etc | 10:18 |
| Knightwise | morning everyone :) | 10:18 |
| ali1234 | ah, not quite. unlock it from the launcher, then run it from the dash (not a terminal) and you get no icon | 10:19 |
| ali1234 | actually didn't someone run into that bug the other day? | 10:20 |
| TOShrun | if you minimise it and move to a different workspace, then go back (when it has no icon) you can't get to it. Unless you install Expo | 10:20 |
| Knightwise | grr. | 10:21 |
| Knightwise | fell of the internet there | 10:21 |
| TOShrun | alt+tab doesn't show it. Expo does. | 10:21 |
| selinuxium | Any Millbank peeps about? I have a problem trying to give Canonical a couple of grand... | 10:21 |
| Knightwise | too busy writing manuals for dumb users. | 10:21 |
| TOShrun | popey: is asleep selinuxium (shhh) | 10:22 |
| davmor2 | jpds: you about ^^^ | 10:23 |
| selinuxium | TOShrun, :) | 10:23 |
| selinuxium | I have pinged czajkowski as well... :) | 10:23 |
| TOShrun | Must work out how to create a password so I can login to freenode with the same name ;-) | 10:23 |
| jpds | davmor2: Hi. | 10:24 |
| SuperMatt | omg loving virtual machine manager in precise, I can now save the vm state :) | 10:24 |
| selinuxium | jpds, has answered the call! | 10:24 |
| davmor2 | jpds: many thanks | 10:25 |
| selinuxium | SuperMatt, explain do you mean on KVM? | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | yeah | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | unless this is a feature that's been there for ages but I was too blind to see :P | 10:28 |
| selinuxium | SuperMatt. Has been a while since I have used KVM. I have two spare servers now to play with so will be setting it up again.. | 10:31 |
| AlanBell | !register | TOShrun | 10:36 |
| lubotu3 | TOShrun: Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode | 10:36 |
| === TOShrun is now known as TheOpenSourcerer | ||
| oimon | getting memtest errors on a bunch of new kit. same address on nearly every one. | 10:48 |
| oimon | :-\ | 10:48 |
| davmor2 | oimon: try another version of memtest might be a bug in memtest itself | 10:50 |
| oimon | it's possible, i was thinking that | 10:51 |
| Knightwise | when i want users to have read only access to a folder | 10:54 |
| Knightwise | do i just need to chown it and then go chmod 775 ? | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | oimon: it might be that the version of memtest doesn't know about the newer memory in the machine so is hitting a coding error maybe | 10:56 |
| hoover | Knightwise: 755 might be better | 10:56 |
| hoover | Knightwise: depending on your group setup | 10:56 |
| hoover | 755 == owner rw, group + rest of the world ro | 10:57 |
| hoover | you could also add the users to the group you want to allow read access for | 10:57 |
| MooDoo | alright davmor2 :) | 11:00 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: me owld mucka 'ow am ya | 11:01 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: yes not too bad thanks | 11:02 |
| filo1234 | hi all | 11:34 |
| filo1234 | I've enabled root account for some test, ad after I've re-disabled root using passwd -d root , so why recovery mode ask for CTRL-D or password if root has empty password again? | 11:35 |
| filo1234 | so if I type "return" I can login without password, but I remember that recovery ( by default ) with root disabled doesn't ask for CTRL-D | 11:38 |
| MooDoo | yay oggcamp hotel booked | 11:43 |
| DJones | Where are you staying | 11:44 |
| MooDoo | DJones: at the britannia adelphi - http://oggcamp.org/accommodation/ | 11:45 |
| DJones | Right, hadn't realised most people tried to stay at one venue | 11:46 |
| MooDoo | DJones: they have had quite a few booking this morning | 11:49 |
| DJones | Right, the place is only 30 minutes from home for me | 11:53 |
| MooDoo | DJones: you'll be ok then :D | 11:54 |
| === feisar is now known as Guest36053 | ||
| DJones | Yep, going to try and visit, but I've got holidays, cousins wedding and birthdays all around the oggcamp weekend so I might not make it | 11:55 |
| SuperMatt | sigh, my habbit of checking for updates every half an hour or so seems to have extended past the beta phase | 12:07 |
| SuperMatt | maybe I should install quantal so I have something to update every once in a while | 12:08 |
| Knightwise | hmm.. playing around with google Drive | 12:13 |
| Knightwise | looks very satisfying too. I can now finally organise my GoogleDocs | 12:14 |
| SuperMatt | out for linux yet? | 12:15 |
| SuperMatt | The reason why I'm going google drive (when I can) is because I use gmail, I like picasa, and it share its space with drive, so I can put all my photos up on picasa and have google drive use the remainder of the space | 12:17 |
| SuperMatt | that way I only have to manage one subscription | 12:17 |
| MartijnVdS | Picasa and drive share space? | 12:19 |
| MartijnVdS | My Picasa only has 1 or 2 GB.. my gmail has 7.5 | 12:19 |
| MartijnVdS | uhr | 12:19 |
| MartijnVdS | 10 | 12:19 |
| feisar | hi, does anyone have a recommendation for simple online storage space that I can ssh/rsync to? | 12:20 |
| MartijnVdS | feisar: a VPS? | 12:20 |
| feisar | no it's a physical server | 12:21 |
| mattt | VPS not redundant :( | 12:21 |
| feisar | I'd like around 1TB of space, that I can just mirror stuff to using ssh/rsync | 12:22 |
| SuperMatt | feisar: wait until google drive comes out for linux, you might be able to do that with command line | 12:22 |
| SuperMatt | what about amazon cloud? is that redundant? | 12:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Use something like sparkleshare on your own hosted h/w? | 12:23 |
| Knightwise | SuperMatt: that would be cool :) | 12:24 |
| feisar | TheOpenSourcerer: that's the kind of thing I'm looking for but I want it in a different location to our own h/w | 12:24 |
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| Knightwise | i do know that Steve Gibson mentioned a bunch of cloud solutions on the last 2 podcasts of "security now" | 12:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | run that on EC2 | 12:25 |
| SuperMatt | I would go with EC2 | 12:25 |
| feisar | thanks, I', looking at EC2 now, looks like ssh & rsync work | 12:25 |
| mattt | there was some rsync service | 12:28 |
| mattt | i remember seeing them advertising on the gentoo site all the time | 12:28 |
| feisar | mattt: that might be event better | 12:28 |
| === richard is now known as Guest40772 | ||
| mattt | http://rsync.net/ | 12:28 |
| feisar | just got em! | 12:29 |
| feisar | rsync.net looks perfect | 12:30 |
| feisar | mattt: thanks : ) | 12:31 |
| feisar | actually, it's a little expensive | 12:32 |
| Knightwise | feisar: why not run your own server somewhere ? All the gigs you want ? or use something like bluehost (i know they dont like it if you use their webspace as filestorage .. but it works ?) | 12:34 |
| Knightwise | they have SSH access to the directories so in theory it should work too | 12:34 |
| feisar | running my own would definitely give me all the space I need but where do you put a server like that? | 12:35 |
| Knightwise | grandma's house ? (i've done that) | 12:35 |
| feisar | if it was for personal use, yesh but this is for an organisation | 12:36 |
| feisar | yesh?! I mean yeah | 12:36 |
| Knightwise | hmm .. not very professional indeed | 12:36 |
| diplo | feisar, called co-locating | 12:36 |
| feisar | they need about 600GB of space and £300 a month is pretty expensive | 12:36 |
| Knightwise | but check out the links to the security now podcast , perhaps there is a service in there for you ? | 12:37 |
| diplo | But it's nto cheap if you are thinking rsyncs prices are dear | 12:37 |
| diplo | Alzephur hosts a box in the US, if latency isn't an issue | 12:37 |
| diplo | It's a lot cheaper to host there | 12:37 |
| feisar | US would be fine, I think rsync.net is in the US | 12:38 |
| Knightwise | realy ? | 12:39 |
| feisar | if only they had two offices... I might have to use tapes | 12:39 |
| Knightwise | you and the NSA have nothing to hide from each other ? | 12:39 |
| diplo | If you are that worried you could encrypt :) | 12:40 |
| feisar | it could be encrypted | 12:40 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer uses machines in Germany - A machine with 2x3TB (RAID 1) for €49/m | 12:40 | |
| diplo | I take it 600gb is total storage, wat sort of storage are you looking at ? | 12:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | And it has 10TB bandwidth/m | 12:41 |
| diplo | What I was about to suggest TheOpenSourcerer, running your own dedi server shouldn't be that dear, just need a bit of housekeeping to make sure it's secure | 12:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Indeed. | 12:41 |
| feisar | 3TB for 49 a month is good | 12:42 |
| feisar | I figured that dedicated hosting would cost more than just getting some space somewhere | 12:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4s | 12:42 |
| mattt | feisar: may not meet your requirements, but may want to look at amazon's S3, rackspace's cloud files, etc. | 12:43 |
| feisar | yeah, thanks guys | 12:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Sorry - wrong one: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4 | 12:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That €49 in inc. VAT btw. | 12:43 |
| mattt | jeez, that's cheap | 12:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | :-) | 12:44 |
| feisar | it seems odd that I can get 3TB of space there with all that processor power and yet can get the space on it's own for less | 12:44 |
| mattt | i have a hetzner box, paying around 49 euros a month | 12:44 |
| mattt | and it certainly doesn't have those specs :) | 12:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | We have 4 hetzner boxes now. | 12:45 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Of varying specs. | 12:45 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Some more, some less. | 12:45 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | They update their h/w quite frequently. | 12:45 |
| mattt | yeah, i need to ditch mine | 12:45 |
| mattt | i'm not using it a lot | 12:45 |
| mattt | a lot of people moan about hetzner, but i've not had any probs | 12:46 |
| mattt | which reminds me | 12:46 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | feisar needs one. | 12:46 |
| mattt | i had a reminder a few weeks back about my server getting moved between datacentres | 12:46 |
| mattt | forgot about it, but fortunately it moved without issue :) | 12:46 |
| mattt | actually it never moved, checking my uptime | 12:46 |
| feisar | TheOpenSourcerer: thanks for the link | 12:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | np | 12:48 |
| Knightwise | Sigh :) Need Coffee ! | 12:56 |
| * Knightwise needs to patch his Java quota | 12:56 | |
| feisar | I dont understand how hetzner are so cheap nothing in the UK even comes close to that amount of space | 12:57 |
| MooDoo | feisar: they employ pixies | 12:59 |
| feisar | ha | 12:59 |
| awilkins | Judicious de-duping? | 13:00 |
| feisar | yeah | 13:02 |
| feisar | although I don't thank that would work with most of what I'd be storing there | 13:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It's German efficiency! | 13:08 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ooh Talend 5.1 out today. | 13:09 |
| Knightwise | hmm. i was looking at getting me a second hand HP DM1 netbook | 13:14 |
| Knightwise | but it looks like it isnt very precise friendly :( | 13:14 |
| AlanBell | straight to Quantal then Knightwise | 13:20 |
| Knightwise | lol :) might be a bit early to run the alpha on there, dont you think ? | 13:23 |
| Knightwise | Might just upgrade the harddrive in my 2009 macbook air with an SSD and punch ubuntu on there , works fine | 13:24 |
| MooDoo | ssd o/ | 13:26 |
| diplo | :( | 13:26 |
| DJones | Heh Gnome flavour Ubuntu considered http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwMTU | 13:26 |
| diplo | I really must save for one | 13:26 |
| Knightwise | i am looking at the ones at OWC (other world computing) pretty cheep and pretty nice | 13:27 |
| Knightwise | installed one in my Macbook pro http://knightwise.com/kwtv-0031-qmutate-your-macbookq/ | 13:27 |
| awilkins | I'm thinking of upgrading my 64GB one to a 128GB one | 13:29 |
| awilkins | It's in a caddy, I shlep it between work and home | 13:29 |
| awilkins | It's my OS disk at work and I bind-mount the working folders on my desktop at home | 13:29 |
| awilkins | It's survived much better than the spinning-rust ones that I used to do the same with | 13:30 |
| awilkins | They all drop dead from mechanical faults | 13:30 |
| awilkins | External HDD caddy controllers are crapulous in general too, they fail really quickly | 13:31 |
| * AlanBell is sleepy | 13:38 | |
| * AlanBell thinks customers should accept consultants need an afternoon nap | 13:39 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ha ha | 13:39 |
| diplo | I think i could start taking an afternoon nap | 13:39 |
| MooDoo | lazy buggre :) | 13:39 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: is that French? :) | 13:40 |
| DJones | I thought it was spanish for Have a siesta | 13:40 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: oui :) | 13:41 |
| gord | AlanBell, i petition for nap time sessions every uds, no one takes me seriously :( | 13:42 |
| SuperMatt | should make it one of the ubuntu achievements | 13:42 |
| davmor2 | gord: no one ever takes you seriously though dude you should be used to it ;) | 13:43 |
| gord | i am *always* super cereal. | 13:43 |
| directhex | even about manbearpig? | 13:44 |
| gord | *especially* | 13:45 |
| directhex | i hear he's half man and half bearpig | 13:45 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: like some kind of weird centaur? | 13:47 |
| Knightwise | hey MartijnVdS , goed ! | 14:01 |
| Knightwise | gord ! | 14:01 |
| Knightwise | didn't smell you come in :) | 14:01 |
| davmor2 | pig bear man, surely they are missing the the word ugly and spelt bear wrong :D | 14:04 |
| bigcalm | Wish it was Wednesday so that I could have steak and a couple of pints. Damn you slow week | 14:07 |
| czajkowski | will be taking part in flossie next week http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=125 | 14:08 |
| oimon | czajkowski, you are in the main QMUL maths lecture theatre for these? | 14:09 |
| oimon | doesn't say which dept.but i think its maths | 14:10 |
| czajkowski | oimon: no idea | 14:11 |
| oimon | looks like a really fun conference, shame its women only | 14:12 |
| czajkowski | no it's not | 14:13 |
| AlanBell | oh, I need to get CDs to Paula for that | 14:14 |
| czajkowski | open to anyone who wants to come along | 14:14 |
| czajkowski | just the majority of speakers are women | 14:14 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hey you could invite some folks from Dell Norway ;-) | 14:14 |
| MooDoo | there should be a central site for events like this, as i only ever here about them when czajkowski mentioned them lol | 14:14 |
| oimon | oh i didn't know that men can go | 14:14 |
| czajkowski | oimon: it doesnt say men not welcome now does it | 14:15 |
| czajkowski | anywhere! | 14:15 |
| DJones | oimon: You have to wear a dress though :) | 14:15 |
| czajkowski | MooDoo: lanyard is good | 14:15 |
| oimon | someone told me, and i couldn't find information to refute what they said | 14:15 |
| czajkowski | scarmongering | 14:16 |
| oimon | maybe she didn't want me there :P | 14:16 |
| oimon | as i work on the campus | 14:16 |
| MooDoo | oimon: i can believe that ;) | 14:16 |
| shauno | to be fair, between the 'who is this event for' bit, and "For everyone who loves Free Libre Software and identifies as a woman" in the sidebar, I'd probably reach the same conclusion unless told otherwise | 14:17 |
| oimon | shauno, yeah, sounds like it might be a bit ...awkward | 14:18 |
| oimon | actually i'm offsite on a course that week anyway | 14:18 |
| czajkowski | *headdesk* | 14:21 |
| MooDoo | wassup czajkowski *PROD* | 14:25 |
| === kvarley is now known as Guest25202 | ||
| * aquarius tries new irc client. | 15:51 | |
| awilkins | Aha, an app that DOES confuse the taskbar | 15:52 |
| awilkins | MySQL Workbench | 15:52 |
| awilkins | I guess it gets it's own dedicated workspace with no other apps on it | 15:52 |
| awilkins | Suddenly I find my will to go on a little sapped | 16:12 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| TheOpenSourcerer | On my 12.04 desktop virt-manager is not letting me create a new image. I get a message: "invalid storage volume pointer in no storage vol with matching path" | 19:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | The server (host) has not changed. | 19:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | running virt-manager over ssh. | 19:12 |
| MarkDude | popey, ftw! https://twitter.com/#!/MarkDude/status/202462902903517185/photo/1 | 19:17 |
| Sarah__ | burmesearmy | 19:49 |
| Laney | indeed. | 20:05 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: create the hdd image manually and attach it, I did that the other day | 20:07 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | yeah - worked that out in the end | 20:08 |
| mattt | Laney: lolz | 20:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Oh goody. Precise just decided it had had enough - the launcher started flashing various icons and then it slowed to crawl. Took me 15 minutes to carefully shut as many apps as I could down then reboot. | 20:27 |
| === PreciseOne is now known as IdleOne | ||
| TheOpenSourcerer | It is really not very good. | 20:27 |
| MartijnVdS | wouldn't restarting unity work? | 20:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I couldn't. It had all but locked up. Didn't/couldn't get to a terminal without trying to start something. It was in a state. | 20:43 |
| MartijnVdS | scary | 20:43 |
| MartijnVdS | nvidia? | 20:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I get one or two crashes each day. | 20:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | yes. But a fairly old and low powered GPU. | 20:44 |
| * MartijnVdS hugs his intel gpu | 20:44 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | This machine was rock solid on 10.10 BTW. | 20:44 |
| MartijnVdS | I remember there being problems with nvidia gpus becoming desoldered because they got too hot | 20:46 |
| MartijnVdS | but that was several years ago | 20:46 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | This was a fairly simple card (fanless) just to do compiz - it has been fine. | 20:47 |
| MartijnVdS | My brother's laptop had the "solder" problem | 20:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Most of the time in Unity it seems OK but eventually 12.04 seems to get fscked and gives up. | 20:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | usually after I have lots of windows open. | 20:48 |
| MartijnVdS | what happens when you use the other driver? | 20:48 |
| MartijnVdS | nouveau vs nvidia-proprietary? | 20:48 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | on several workspaces. | 20:48 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I have the nvidia driver installed. | 20:48 |
| MartijnVdS | Does it also crash with the nvidia driver uninstalled/nouveau driver running? | 20:48 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I have no idea. And this is a work machine - I am trying to do work. Not debug buggy software... | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Switching to the free driver fixed crashes for a few of my coworkers | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | It made it a lot slower too | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | but it didn't crash anymore | 20:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I may give that a go then. Thanks for the tip. | 20:50 |
| MartijnVdS | if it doesn't work, it might be fried hardware though :| | 20:50 |
| bigcalm | How do I find out how much memory my graphics card has? | 20:51 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: it's usually somewhere in the Xorg.log | 20:52 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: in /var/log | 20:52 |
| bigcalm | Ta | 20:53 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: also, lspci -v will probably show it | 20:54 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] | 20:54 |
| MartijnVdS | for mine | 20:54 |
| diplo | TheOpenSourcerer, want to stick with Unity, I was having similar problems.. tried Cinnamon and no longer any issues | 20:54 |
| diplo | My issues have pretty much gone now though. | 20:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | what is cinnamon? | 20:54 |
| diplo | The gnome2 fork | 20:55 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ah | 20:55 |
| MartijnVdS | so not using 3d at all | 20:55 |
| MartijnVdS | that would explain the lack of crashes | 20:55 |
| diplo | gnome3 | 20:55 |
| diplo | I'd say win7 esq | 20:55 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | But this box was fine with 10.10, compiz cubes and stuff. | 20:55 |
| diplo | Worked really well though | 20:55 |
| diplo | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/cinnamon-project-keeps-gnome-2-style-desktop-alive/ | 20:55 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: Never buy nvidia again ;) | 20:55 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Well, I am not convinced that this is down to nvidia. I've always used the nvidia drivers before and not had issues. | 20:56 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I have issues since changing from 10.10 to 12.04 | 20:56 |
| hamitron | 295.40? | 20:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I have a GeForce 9500 GT in this box. | 20:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | And now I am going to bed. | 20:59 |
| MartijnVdS | nn | 20:59 |
| hamitron | I can't get packages.ubuntu.com working? | 20:59 |
| === dwiele is now known as dawiele | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| yothsoggoth | does anyone have any clues on the area-screenshot not working when pressting Shift+Print? | 22:20 |
| AlanBell | works for me (and I never knew it did that) | 22:21 |
| yothsoggoth | Hmm, I swear it used to work for me too, but it doesn't do anything anymore. :(. I only found it last week, it's a wonderful feature | 22:21 |
| yothsoggoth | ... if it was working, that is lol | 22:21 |
| yothsoggoth | Hmm, also.. trying to set a keyboard shortcut in the settings menu, pressing "Alt+Print" comes up as "Alt L", so it's impossible to reset the window printscreen shortcut | 22:34 |
| AlanBell | if you file 28 bugs about it then you will get bug 1000000 | 22:35 |
| lubotu3 | Error: Launchpad bug 1000000 could not be found | 22:35 |
| AlanBell | it will be found tomorrow | 22:35 |
| yothsoggoth | or Later tonight, I think bug 999979 was just posted | 22:57 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 999979 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashes when trying to Search for Updates in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999979 | 22:57 |
| yothsoggoth | is "gnome-screenshot" the program used by default for screenshots? | 23:01 |
| Azelphur | yep | 23:03 |
| yothsoggoth | "gnome-screenshot -a" works fine, so I guess the bug is in whatever handles the keyboard shortcuts? I also tried setting Launch Terminal to Shift+Print and that worked, so it's not a case if the shortcut being incorrectly picked up | 23:05 |
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