[00:30] <snap-l> Anyone want a Kobo Wireless reader?
[00:31] <snap-l> Gently used, non smoker
[00:31] <snap-l> Apply within
[00:33] <snap-l> http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.php?blogid=1337037281394
[00:36] <snap-l> And Geeknet released SlashCloud
[00:36] <snap-l> and I'm officially done
[01:21] <Blazeix> has anyone looked at knockout.js? MS seems to be pushing it pretty hard, but all the html data-bind stuff is scaring me
[01:32] <rick_h_> phew, 18.02mi !
[01:33] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, the author was on a JS podcast I listen to
[01:33] <rick_h_> Blazeix: it's suppsed to enable some better UI/data model iteractions, but not sure on that myself
[01:33] <Blazeix> i just finished watching the intro video, and i think it convinced me not to use it
[01:33] <rick_h_> might be good to listen to him explain it on the podcast
[01:33] <rick_h_> k, yea it doesn't sound like it's for me, he says it fits really well with the MS MVC web stuff
[01:34] <Blazeix> storing a bunch of javascript statements as strings in dom attributes sounds terrible
[01:34] <rick_h_> yea
[01:34] <Blazeix> right, it's very silverlighty/WPFy
[01:34] <rick_h_> http://javascriptjabber.com/ though for future reference
[01:35] <Blazeix> cool
[01:35] <Blazeix> thanks
[01:50] <jrwren> knockout is shit AFAIK
[01:50] <jrwren> actually, i odn't know at all.
[01:51] <jrwren> but IIRC people I trust (coworkers at SRT) found knockout to be inferior to something else.
[01:51] <rick_h_> well, it's levels, there are layers to frameworks
[01:51] <jrwren> yeah
[01:51] <rick_h_> the simple (webob), another layer (pyramid), and the grand daddies (django)
[01:51] <jrwren> oh.
[01:52] <jrwren> i was looking at knockout just as knockout
[01:52] <jrwren> for use wiht any server side
[01:55] <jrwren> backbone I think was what they went with instead?
[01:55] <jrwren> unless I have those backwards.
[01:55] <rick_h_> yea, backbone is a bit simpler though
[01:55] <rick_h_> yea, backbone is the jquery of the MVC JS land
[01:58] <Blazeix> right, backbone is more of a library than a framework
[02:00] <Blazeix> interesting... http://kmalakoff.github.com/knockback/
[11:17] <rick_h_> morning party people
[11:47] <shakes808> Good morning
[12:40] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:44] <locodir-user> good day
[12:44] <locodir-user> I thought I would be clever and when I installed ubuntu in a dual boot, use a new password. So naturally I immediately forgot what I used. I have no problem reinstalling ubuntu but how do i completely uninstall it?
[12:45] <brousch> you can re-install using the regular installer
[12:46] <brousch> when it get to the hard disk part you can tell it to wipe the old partition and install it new
[12:47] <locodir-user> in windows i can not see wich partition it was installed in
[12:49] <locodir-user> I want to avoid haveing 2 ubuntu instalations and not being able to tell wich is wich
[12:51] <brousch> when you boot from the livecd/usb you will be able to see the partitions
[12:53] <locodir-user> in the built in partition manager? (part of the installer?)
[12:53] <brousch> right
[12:55] <locodir-user> thank you - this is my first time using linux and so far idk if i will like it, but this was my fault and i will keep trying to give it a fiar go
[12:55] <rick_h_> brousch: can't you just boot into single user mode and change the password?
[12:55] <brousch> i think so, but i don't know how
[12:55] <rick_h_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/73442/how-do-i-login-in-single-user-mode
[12:55] <rick_h_> maybe?
[12:56] <rick_h_> anyway, crazy day today, but wanted to toss out fixing the passwd vs reinstalling if possible
[12:57] <brousch> yeah, good point
[13:00] <locodir-user> does not explain how to change passowrd?
[13:03] <brousch> once you have the command prompt you can just use the normal password commands
[13:04] <brousch> passwd username
[13:04] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, but new to linux, I'm guessing passwd $username isn't on the first command list :)
[13:04] <locodir-user> well ... i will ask google thank you for your help
[13:05] <brousch> hm
[13:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/148677/why-is-80-characters-the-standard-limit-for-code-width
[13:58] <rick_h_> snap-l: 7pt font is approx 9px wide per char. 80 char * 3 windows = 2160px wide (just over the 1920 of HD)
[13:58] <rick_h_> and if you pick the right font, you can get that width down enough to get 3 files side v side
[13:58] <rick_h_> that's the history of 80 col :P
[13:59] <rick_h_> snap-l: but interesting note. I knew of the 80 char old terminals, but not punch cards
[13:59] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's why god invented buffers
[13:59] <snap-l> and 132 column terminals.
[13:59] <rick_h_> can you see buffers at the same time?
[13:59] <rick_h_> especially on a day like today...code review day. Lots of side by side
[13:59] <snap-l> Yes, stacked on top of each other.
[14:00] <rick_h_> fail
[14:00] <greg-g> I just have multiple transparent terminals on top of each other
[14:00] <greg-g> I tab the code around so I can read it better when needed
[14:01]  * greg-g wonders if he did the dead pan thing too well there
[14:04] <Milyardo> I don't use a windows or buffers, for the code I write need only be written once, I just echo my code and redirect it to  a file.
[14:08] <brousch> i let eclipse handle it all for me automagically
[14:13] <shakes808> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143643/Woman-drives-25-miles-work-doesnt-realise-MOOSE-taken-roof-car.html
[14:15] <greg-g> MOOSE
[14:16] <shakes808> lol
[14:16] <greg-g> ugh, that image is not (C) Facebook
[14:16] <greg-g> effing eh
[14:16] <greg-g> (C) Courtesy Photo is also dispicably wrong
[14:16] <greg-g> grrr
[14:17] <greg-g> daily mall seems like a rag
[14:27] <AaronThul> Anyone know if I should use Net::RabbitMQ vs Net::AMQP?
[14:29] <rick_h_> AaronThul: just from seeing the names I'd imagine that AMQP would work with other AMQP compat/non-rabbit servers
[14:29] <rick_h_> while RabbitMQ would do some Rabbit specific fancy bits, like perhaps the mgt interface/etc
[14:29] <rick_h_> so either should pump jobs through the system
[14:37] <brousch> is rabbit the queue of choice these days?
[14:38] <rick_h_> depends on your needs
[14:38] <rick_h_> honestly, I'd just be using Amazon SQS if the celery stuff was working ootb with it, but hit issues using it
[14:39] <rick_h_> and 0mq is a great tool to build a queue with lol
[15:05] <AaronThul> grr my computer and I just had an argument, what was that last suggestion?
[15:13] <ColonelPanic001> sadly, looks like the computer was winning.
[15:13] <AaronThul> Well was more an internet problem, to many people on this wifi here at pgcon
[15:14] <ColonelPanic001> oh sure, find a scapegoat to defend the computer.
[15:14] <ColonelPanic001> I forgot you're heavy in to pg stuff.
[15:15] <ColonelPanic001> we just switched our plans to use MongoDB for a project to PG instead. Mainly because the guy mainly doing it originally kept seeing all these cool things being done using Mongo, and said he then suddenly realized they all were having problems and switching anyway. heh
[15:17] <ColonelPanic001> looking over the schedule, a few names familiar. Must have seen them when I went to the Ontario Linuxfest when that was still going
[15:17] <ColonelPanic001> I'm sure I've heard of Bruce Momjian somewhere
[16:02] <snap-l> https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/ratp1 <- Tempting.
[16:04] <rick_h_> yea, I'm getting tempted to go get a real desktop and not upgrade the laptop for a while
[16:05] <rick_h_> honestly it does most things well, but man those test runs would be a lot nicer if they were faster
[16:06] <shakes808> rick_h_: what about your awesome dock setup :D
[16:06] <rick_h_> shakes808: well if I went desktop I'd end up getting an ati triple head card and driving all three monitors off of it
[16:06] <rick_h_> the laptop would only be for travel then
[16:07] <shakes808> Gotcha. Everything is online and accessible regardless so it wouldn't make too much of a difference
[16:08] <rick_h_> yea, I mean it would require more syncing up than I do now
[16:08] <rick_h_> but thinking about it
[16:08] <rick_h_> I got the last laptop when I had to go into the office
[16:09] <shakes808> And now that you are working from home, you wouldn't have to use it but every Wednesday and every second Tuesday ;)
[16:09] <rick_h_> well, I do go to the coffee shop every day
[16:09] <rick_h_> but yea, I spend more hours behind my desk than not these days
[16:09] <shakes808> You keep that coffee shop open lol
[16:09] <rick_h_> let's just say they only have to ask me "hot or cold" when I walk in
[16:09] <rick_h_> and everything else is done :)
[16:10] <jrwren> i hate debian sometimes.
[16:10] <jrwren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdumbnet/+bug/999778
[16:10] <shakes808> You should have a plaque up there that reads: "Rick, the person keeping this location open since 1801"
[16:10] <shakes808> lol
[16:11] <rick_h_> jrwren: ugh
[16:13] <rick_h_> <3 pgsql http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/PostgreSQL-9-2-beta-improves-scalability-adds-JSON-1573815.html
[16:16] <jrwren> anyone know of a popular debian ifdef contant?
[16:19] <snap-l> http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/15/Lenovo-ThinkPad-refresh/
[16:20] <rick_h_> and like that snap-l gets me back off the desktop route
[16:20] <rick_h_> but man..."retooled keyboards" scares me!
[16:20] <snap-l> Hope you like the keyboard. :)
[16:21] <snap-l> Looks like they like the Apple-style keyboards. ;)
[16:21] <snap-l> Chicklet 4EVA
[16:21] <rick_h_> bah
[16:21] <rick_h_> booo power port in the back
[16:22] <rick_h_> finger print reader on the display?!
[16:22] <rick_h_> lol, and wtf is the big red button?
[16:23] <rick_h_> bah, still vga out
[16:27] <rick_h_> I guess it does have a display port as well
[16:36] <rick_h_> hah, reading the comments on there makes me want to start a thinkpad user group
[16:36] <brousch> heh, i was listening to the holden interview on the 'from python import podcast' podcast and a familiar voice piped up
[16:36] <rick_h_> :)
[16:39] <krondor> is it wrong for me to lament impress.js lack of markdown and code block support?  bah today is turning into a crap shoot.
[16:39] <rick_h_> krondor: you're supposed to look at that as a pull request oppertunity
[16:39] <rick_h_> or better yet...forget markdown and go rst!
[16:40] <krondor> the thought crossed my mind.. wait rst?  Did I just learn something today?
[16:40] <rick_h_> rst is to python what markdown is for everyone else for some reason
[16:40] <rick_h_> well mainly because of sphinx I think http://sphinx.pocoo.org/
[16:41] <krondor> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html the right place?  Reading....
[16:42] <rick_h_> yea
[16:42] <rick_h_> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html for the quick reference
[16:43] <snap-l> That site will put you off rst by itself
[16:43] <snap-l> you need to play with it offline
[16:43] <rick_h_> yea
[16:43] <krondor> lol ok, TIL about RST != crap shoot, though not what I needed to get done.
[16:43] <krondor> I was going to say, not the best looking site to show you a formatting syntax :P
[16:44] <snap-l> Yeah, it's no daring fireball
[16:44] <rick_h_> but basically if someone is doing python you'll find rst
[16:44] <rick_h_> love --------------------- underline vs the stupid [16:45] <krondor> yeah markdown confused me with its #thing# ##thing## ==wait isn't this like##? lol
[16:45] <rick_h_> https://raw.github.com/mitechie/breadability/master/README.rst
[16:45] <krondor> or wait I screwed the pooch on that (hate this expression) __## whatever
[16:51] <krondor> ah so this is that breadability stuff that I've been seeing on my g+ feed.  Damnit you guys are going to get me into python aren't you.
[16:53] <rick_h_> krondor: yea, but just an example rst doc
[17:03] <greg-g> so, when is Unity going to get multimonitor support? :) (as in, when I switch from dual to single the windows do something not entirely insane, like put themselves across multiple desktops)
[17:05] <brousch> that reminds me. had unity with projector fail yesterday
[17:06] <greg-g> :(
[17:07] <greg-g> rick_h_: oh, re thinkpad refresh, that keyboard looks even worse than my x220 :(
[17:07] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, in the comments is an employee tring to make everyone feel better
[17:07] <rick_h_> but that's pretty helpless
[17:07] <rick_h_> honestly though...unless some other laptop does the trackpoint with 3 buttons I'm basically trapped
[17:08] <rick_h_> I don't know I could ever do a touchpad
[17:08] <rick_h_> I'm hoping the new ones bring back the option to ditch the pad altogether
[17:08] <rick_h_> I <3 that about my 201
[17:09] <brousch> rick_h_: you have 5 fingers to use a touchpad
[17:10] <rick_h_> brousch: right...because I've got 3 hands
[17:10] <rick_h_> ummm not! :P
[17:10] <rick_h_> I've got two a finger and a thumb, rest are on home row
[17:10] <brousch> you can do a middle click with 3 fingers or something
[17:11] <rick_h_> no, I don't want to have to move my hands aroud the keyboard
[17:12] <brousch> footmouse
[17:12] <jrwren> wtf:/usr/games/espdiff
[17:14] <jrwren> wtf... man espdiff <-- stupid!
[17:15] <greg-g> totally a game in my mind
[17:15] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, I'm going to have to just upgrade my x201 with a new SSD and more RAM (max it out) and hold on to it as long as I can
[17:16] <jrwren> its so dumb
[17:16] <jrwren> it angers me
[17:17] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I guess I'll have to give it a chance. I don't think it'll be going back
[17:19] <greg-g> yeah, doesn't sound like it, with the "hours" they put into testing the new keyboard :(
[17:26] <brousch> ut oh, all this thinkpad change talk has given rick_h_ a stroke
[17:26] <brousch> "mitechie 1:24pm via Webman I wish we docs on our packages"
[17:27] <rick_h_> no, that's my new project. I need to figure out how our SSO stuff works
[17:27] <rick_h_> not a doc to be found...oh sure...a couple of doctests
[17:28] <rick_h_> but how about a freaking list of api methods?!
[17:28] <rick_h_> sample use case api calls/sequence?
[17:28] <rick_h_> nope... *sigh*
[17:28] <brousch> i was commenting on the grammar
[17:29] <rick_h_> oh...I do love how Web and man got put together into Webman
[17:29] <brousch> bleh, that's just the paste
[17:44] <shakes808> Has anyone rooted thier phone?
[17:45] <brousch> yes
[17:46] <shakes808> So how do I get rid of the pre-installed apps? ... without paying for an app. I got a terminal emulator but can't find the directory that they are in.
[17:46] <shakes808> Do you know which directory I need to go to?
[17:48] <brousch> it's safest to use a "freezing" app
[17:48] <shakes808> what is that?
[17:50] <brousch> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ramdroid.appquarantine&hl=en
[17:50] <brousch> quarantines apps you don't want, just in case removing it would cause big trouble
[17:53] <rick_h_> lmao: Integrating your app with Ubuntu SSO
[17:53] <rick_h_> "TODO"
[17:53] <shakes808> I will try it out, thank you
[18:02] <shakes808> with this app, can I delete them or it just hides the services?
[18:08] <shakes808> I am looking to delete a handful of apps completely off
[18:35] <shakes808> found one, Root Uninstall
[18:35] <shakes808> works nicely so far.
[18:35] <shakes808> :D
[18:39] <krondor> shakes808:  a little known feature of titanium backup (besides being awesome at backing up your phone) is that it can remove unwanted apps.
[18:39] <shakes808> with the free ver?
[18:40] <krondor> hmm, I have the pay version, so not sure.  Checking...
[18:41] <krondor> looks like free version can
[18:41] <shakes808> Cool. Maybe I will download that to see if it picks up anything that I already uninstalled
[18:42] <shakes808> Doesn't look like it is freeing up any space... ?
[18:42] <shakes808> huh
[18:43] <shakes808> with it being rooted, I can go into the Sprint Hotspot app and use it as one free now right?
[18:44] <krondor> probably not with the sprint app, you'd want to use the native tether apps (might not have the bits for that installed natively on your rom), or install something like wifi-tether
[18:45] <krondor> sometimes the built in bloatware apps aren't installed on your main data partition.  Might be why you don't see your space coming back.
[18:45] <shakes808> Gotchya.
[18:45] <shakes808> How do I make it all one partition?
[18:47] <krondor> you're always going to have at least three partitions (ideally) /system /data /cache, but if you have more than that with bloatware not much you can do without reinstalling the OS (ie loading a new rom).  I recommend Cyanogenmod if you go that route.
[18:48] <shakes808> I can't just change the sizes? Like when loading in Ubuntu, I can adjust the size of the partitions with the partition manager
[18:48] <krondor> not easily .. they're not LVM.  It's an embedded OS to an extent
[19:52] <shakes808> krondor: titanium backup is nice too. :D
[19:52] <shakes808> krondor: What other little tid bits do you got for me ;) LOL
[20:21]  * snap-l is going to write an article on the Squeezebox and submit it to Linux Journal
[20:21] <rick_h_> woot
[20:21] <snap-l> They accepted my proposal
[20:22] <rick_h_> I've discovered I can get ESPN chicago on my squeezebox. This is going to be dangerous
[20:22] <snap-l> rick_h_: Muhahahahaha. :)
[20:22] <snap-l> It starts off small
[20:22] <snap-l> the before you know it, you're moving your music from room to room
[20:22] <snap-l> and syncing everything in the house to play the same stream, just because you can.
[20:23] <rick_h_> I will resist your foul temptings!
[20:23] <snap-l> Yeah, but when you're sending power-line signals from your X10 to turn on your radio, that's when I know I have you.
[20:25] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPL_Protocol
[20:42] <krondor> rick_h_: he's already sold me, but I need to stockpile stereo upgrade funds first
[20:43] <snap-l> krondor: That coupon goes off in June
[20:43] <rick_h_> krondor: yea, I got lucky that the wife uses the device I replaced and wanted the upgrade
[20:43] <krondor> snap-l:  now I have a deadline too, lol.  Well at least for part of that purchase
[20:44] <snap-l> krondor: At least use it on a Squeezebox Radio. The Transporter can wait. :)
[20:44] <snap-l> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/transporter-se
[20:45] <snap-l> For the person who measures their music-listening experience with a multimeter.
[20:45] <snap-l> (and a logic analyzer, and a calibrated microphone, and a ...)
[20:45] <rick_h_> bah, stupid django and their test setup...
[20:50] <snap-l> http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server
[20:50] <brousch> ah, geekers. modern-package-template doesn't work on python3
[20:51] <snap-l> geekers? Is that a new swear-term?
[20:51] <rick_h_> brousch: pull request oppertunity!
[20:51] <brousch> yes, that is my swear word
[20:51] <krondor> shakes808:  hmm other tidbits, how about rootkeeper ota (preserves root if you get firmware updates).  Not an issue if you're not on a stock rom.
[20:59] <greg-g> I'm sorry, I can't read anything by someone who didn't learn when to use periods and other punctuation.
[20:59] <greg-g> run-on sentences kill me inside
[21:37] <greg-g> btw, less than 50 bugs until LP hits 1,000,000
[23:56] <snap-l> go bjgs go