| apie | hi hi | 04:09 |
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| superfly | o/ | 06:28 |
| inetpro | good morning superfly, ap[tab] aka kbmonkey, and others | 06:38 |
| superfly | sup inetpro, morning maiatoday | 06:51 |
| inetpro | we had a windy night in Pretoria, and quite chilly this morning | 06:55 |
| superfly | ya, was really cold here this morning too | 06:55 |
| maiatoday | hiya superfly | 07:01 |
| maiatoday | The CDs are stuck in customs because there was an invoice on it that said the value was just more than R300. Now I have to try to sort it out. So sorry all for the delay. | 07:02 |
| superfly | The CDs are slowly becoming redundant, even in SA | 07:06 |
| inetpro | I think the reason may be that by the time you get the CD there have been so many updates that it's just as well to download the ISO | 07:08 |
| Kerbero | they should send blank cd's | 07:09 |
| Kerbero | nicely branded and everything | 07:09 |
| inetpro | Kerbero: just for advertising? | 07:09 |
| Kerbero | yes | 07:10 |
| Kerbero | that is the entire point of the cd's | 07:10 |
| Kerbero | we give it out to people that don't know[about] ubuntu | 07:10 |
| inetpro | I wish there was a rolling updated ISO even after the release date | 07:10 |
| Kerbero | and if it is brnaded and looks official they are much mor elikely to try it | 07:11 |
| inetpro | Kerbero: perhaps a branded cd size booklet would be a relevant replacement | 07:13 |
| inetpro | and even something that could be produced locally | 07:14 |
| superfly | Kerbero: yeah, having printed CDs is really awesome for Ubuntu's image | 07:14 |
| Kerbero | inetpro: people are just going to have a quick look at the booklet and then throw it away | 07:15 |
| inetpro | and a blank cd? | 07:16 |
| Kerbero | we will write the latest image on it before we give it out | 07:16 |
| Kerbero | or a custom image for let's say stellenbosch campus | 07:16 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 07:17 |
| superfly | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#CD_Distribution_Materials | 07:17 |
| chigama | hello | 07:37 |
| superfly | hi | 07:42 |
| chigama | hw u fly | 07:44 |
| superfly | I'm fine thanks, and you? | 07:45 |
| chigama | gud which version of ubuntu u usin | 07:48 |
| superfly | Kubuntu 12.04 | 07:49 |
| chigama | am tinklin of upgradin from 10.04 to 12.04 but keep ma home partition | 07:52 |
| superfly | chigama: so you've divided up your hard drive into a root partition and a home partition? | 07:55 |
| chigama | ya thats wat i did so i preserve ma files and settings...tell hw did u choose between ur desktop environments | 07:58 |
| superfly | I don't use Ubuntu, I only install Kubuntu | 07:59 |
| chigama | thats the only DE u use? | 08:00 |
| superfly | yup | 08:00 |
| zeref | YaawwN | 08:01 |
| zeref | herro | 08:01 |
| chigama | I like KDE its glossy but a bit heavy for ma PC | 08:03 |
| chigama | wat sre specs for ur machine | 08:04 |
| superfly | chigama: KDE is just as "heavy" has Gnome/Unity | 08:09 |
| superfly | chigama: I have a triple-core AMD64 with 4 gigs of RAM, and a dual-core Intel Atom with 2 gigs of RAM | 08:10 |
| superfly | chigama: You can use proper spelling for your words, this isn't an SMS message | 08:10 |
| chigama | sorry | 08:11 |
| chigama | in my current setup i have gnome and KDE but i regularly use | 08:13 |
| chigama | Gnome | 08:13 |
| charlvn | i run kubuntu 12.04 on this old core2duo with 1.5GB ram fwiw | 08:28 |
| superfly | hey charlvn | 08:29 |
| superfly | yeah, KDE isn't that heavy... either that or Gnome has gotten worse ;-) | 08:30 |
| charlvn | yeah exactly | 08:32 |
| charlvn | kde has gotten better and gnome has gotten much worse | 08:32 |
| charlvn | or, i don't know if kde has gotten better but gnome has surely gotten much worse in the meantime | 08:33 |
| inetpro | KDE has been very efficient for many years now | 08:33 |
| inetpro | even if you see it using a lot of RAM doesn't mean that it needs all of it | 08:33 |
| charlvn | yeah but our hardware has also gotten faster ;) | 08:41 |
| charlvn | although i'm still tempted to agree that kde has improved | 08:42 |
| charlvn | at least in terms of stability, it definitely has | 08:42 |
| charlvn | but quite honeslty, i don't have any actual performance benchmarks to base that on | 08:42 |
| inetpro | hmm.... | 10:08 |
| * inetpro wonders how long we will be without power in Pretoria | 10:09 | |
| inetpro | been an hour now | 10:09 |
| hamslaai | For those who missed the Roelof Botha presentation it is available here: http://scholar.sun.ac.za/handle/10019.1/20907 | 10:17 |
| inetpro | wb morgs | 10:24 |
| * morgs waves | 10:25 | |
| kbmonkey | mornin | 10:32 |
| zeref | huurrmmm | 10:53 |
| superfly | hiya morgs, kbmonkey, zeref and psydroid | 11:00 |
| zeref | herro superfly | 11:04 |
| kbmonkey | hi superfly | 11:05 |
| charlvn | hi all | 11:23 |
| charlvn | hamslaai: thanks i'll watch it, sounds interesting... | 11:27 |
| psydroid | hi superfly charlvn kbmonkey zeref | 12:44 |
| charlvn | hi psydroid | 13:11 |
| superfly | hey charlvn, what did you think of that blog post about Python 3? | 13:28 |
| charlvn | superfly: it was a long post but i scanned through most of it | 13:58 |
| charlvn | some very interesting points made | 13:58 |
| charlvn | i can get why there is some unhappiness, i think python 3 tried to be progressive and failed | 13:59 |
| charlvn | that doesn't mean to say it is bad and unusable for everyone though | 13:59 |
| charlvn | i mostly use python for small things these days, when it comes to larger systems i build them on java | 13:59 |
| charlvn | but java has its own set of problems to bitch about | 14:00 |
| charlvn | for one thing, the api is really poorly designed, although apache commons helps to ease the pain | 14:00 |
| charlvn | frankly, there is not one single programming platform out there right now that i am 100% happy with | 14:01 |
| charlvn | but you can't have it all | 14:01 |
| inetpro | superfly, charlvn: they said at UDS-Q it is a release goal to have only Python 3 on the desktop CD image for 12.10 | 14:21 |
| inetpro | you may want to check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsQPythonVersions | 14:26 |
| charlvn | i don't know about that - i'm running Python 2.7.3 on ubuntu 12.04 and i haven't specifically gone and installed any python packages | 14:29 |
| charlvn | oh wait sorry i see you're talking about 12.10, the next version | 14:30 |
| charlvn | very interesting, i see there's a link to http://python3wos.appspot.com/ as well on that page, haven't checked that in a while | 14:31 |
| charlvn | heh there's a _lot_ of red on that page | 14:33 |
| tumbleweed | inetpro: I'm not convinced that we can make it, it's pretty ambitious. but it is something we've been planning for a few releases | 15:25 |
| inetpro | tumbleweed: cool | 17:59 |
| magespawn | Evening all | 18:32 |
| highvoltage | hey magespawn! | 18:33 |
| magespawn | Whats up? | 18:36 |
| highvoltage | working and stuff | 18:38 |
| magespawn | That seems fairly normal. | 18:39 |
| superfly | heya highvoltage! | 19:02 |
| highvoltage | hello superfly | 19:30 |
| superfly | highvoltage: things still going well with you? | 19:31 |
| highvoltage | yep, how are you doing? | 19:31 |
| superfly | highvoltage: well thanks | 19:32 |
| superfly | moved out of web development into firmware development... a welcome change! | 19:32 |
| highvoltage | nice. | 19:33 |
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