[04:09] <apie> hi hi
[06:28] <superfly> o/
[06:38] <inetpro> good morning superfly, ap[tab] aka kbmonkey, and others
[06:51] <superfly> sup inetpro, morning maiatoday
[06:55] <inetpro> we had a windy night in Pretoria, and quite chilly this morning
[06:55] <superfly> ya, was really cold here this morning too
[07:01] <maiatoday> hiya superfly
[07:02] <maiatoday> The CDs are stuck in customs because there was an invoice on it that said the value was just more than R300. Now I have to try to sort it out. So sorry all for the delay.
[07:06] <superfly> The CDs are slowly becoming redundant, even in SA
[07:08] <inetpro> I think the reason may be that by the time you get the CD there have been so many updates that it's just as well to download the ISO
[07:09] <Kerbero> they should send blank cd's
[07:09] <Kerbero> nicely branded and everything
[07:09] <inetpro> Kerbero: just for advertising?
[07:10] <Kerbero> yes
[07:10] <Kerbero> that is the entire point of the cd's
[07:10] <Kerbero> we give it out to people that don't know[about] ubuntu
[07:10] <inetpro> I wish there was a rolling updated ISO even after the release date
[07:11] <Kerbero> and if it is brnaded and looks official they are much mor elikely to try it
[07:13] <inetpro> Kerbero: perhaps a branded cd size booklet would be a relevant replacement
[07:14] <inetpro> and even something that could be produced locally
[07:14] <superfly> Kerbero: yeah, having printed CDs is really awesome for Ubuntu's image
[07:15] <Kerbero> inetpro: people are just going to have a quick look at the booklet and then throw it away
[07:16] <inetpro> and a blank cd?
[07:16] <Kerbero> we will write the latest image on it before we give it out
[07:16] <Kerbero> or a custom image for let's say stellenbosch campus
[07:17] <inetpro> hmm... 
[07:17] <superfly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#CD_Distribution_Materials
[07:37] <chigama> hello
[07:42] <superfly> hi
[07:44] <chigama> hw u fly
[07:45] <superfly> I'm fine thanks, and you?
[07:48] <chigama> gud which version of ubuntu u usin
[07:49] <superfly> Kubuntu 12.04
[07:52] <chigama> am tinklin of upgradin from 10.04 to 12.04 but keep ma home partition
[07:55] <superfly> chigama: so you've divided up your hard drive into a root partition and a home partition?
[07:58] <chigama> ya thats wat i did so i preserve ma files and settings...tell hw did u choose between ur desktop environments
[07:59] <superfly> I don't use Ubuntu, I only install Kubuntu
[08:00] <chigama> thats the only DE u use?
[08:00] <superfly> yup
[08:01] <zeref> YaawwN
[08:01] <zeref> herro
[08:03] <chigama> I like KDE its glossy but a bit heavy for ma PC
[08:04] <chigama> wat sre specs for ur machine
[08:09] <superfly> chigama: KDE is just as "heavy" has Gnome/Unity
[08:10] <superfly> chigama: I have a triple-core AMD64 with 4 gigs of RAM, and a dual-core Intel Atom with 2 gigs of RAM
[08:10] <superfly> chigama: You can use proper spelling for your words, this isn't an SMS  message
[08:11] <chigama> sorry
[08:13] <chigama> in my current setup i have gnome and KDE but i regularly use
[08:13] <chigama> Gnome
[08:28] <charlvn> i run kubuntu 12.04 on this old core2duo with 1.5GB ram fwiw
[08:29] <superfly> hey charlvn
[08:30] <superfly> yeah, KDE isn't that heavy... either that or Gnome has gotten worse ;-)
[08:32] <charlvn> yeah exactly
[08:32] <charlvn> kde has gotten better and gnome has gotten much worse
[08:33] <charlvn> or, i don't know if kde has gotten better but gnome has surely gotten much worse in the meantime
[08:33] <inetpro> KDE has been very efficient for many years now
[08:33] <inetpro> even if you see it using a lot of RAM doesn't mean that it needs all of it
[08:41] <charlvn> yeah but our hardware has also gotten faster ;)
[08:42] <charlvn> although i'm still tempted to agree that kde has improved
[08:42] <charlvn> at least in terms of stability, it definitely has
[08:42] <charlvn> but quite honeslty, i don't have any actual performance benchmarks to base that on
[10:08] <inetpro> hmm....
[10:09]  * inetpro wonders how long we will be without power in Pretoria
[10:09] <inetpro> been an hour now
[10:17] <hamslaai> For those who missed the Roelof Botha presentation it is available here: http://scholar.sun.ac.za/handle/10019.1/20907
[10:24] <inetpro> wb morgs
[10:25]  * morgs waves
[10:32] <kbmonkey> mornin
[10:53] <zeref> huurrmmm
[11:00] <superfly> hiya morgs, kbmonkey, zeref and psydroid
[11:04] <zeref> herro superfly 
[11:05] <kbmonkey> hi superfly 
[11:23] <charlvn> hi all
[11:27] <charlvn> hamslaai: thanks i'll watch it, sounds interesting...
[12:44] <psydroid> hi superfly charlvn kbmonkey zeref
[13:11] <charlvn> hi psydroid 
[13:28] <superfly> hey charlvn, what did you think of that blog post about Python 3?
[13:58] <charlvn> superfly: it was a long post but i scanned through most of it
[13:58] <charlvn> some very interesting points made
[13:59] <charlvn> i can get why there is some unhappiness, i think python 3 tried to be progressive and failed
[13:59] <charlvn> that doesn't mean to say it is bad and unusable for everyone though
[13:59] <charlvn> i mostly use python for small things these days, when it comes to larger systems i build them on java
[14:00] <charlvn> but java has its own set of problems to bitch about
[14:00] <charlvn> for one thing, the api is really poorly designed, although apache commons helps to ease the pain
[14:01] <charlvn> frankly, there is not one single programming platform out there right now that i am 100% happy with
[14:01] <charlvn> but you can't have it all
[14:21] <inetpro> superfly, charlvn: they said at UDS-Q it is a release goal to have only Python 3 on the desktop CD image for 12.10
[14:26] <inetpro> you may want to check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsQPythonVersions
[14:29] <charlvn> i don't know about that - i'm running Python 2.7.3 on ubuntu 12.04 and i haven't specifically gone and installed any python packages
[14:30] <charlvn> oh wait sorry i see you're talking about 12.10, the next version
[14:31] <charlvn> very interesting, i see there's a link to http://python3wos.appspot.com/ as well on that page, haven't checked that in a while
[14:33] <charlvn> heh there's a _lot_ of red on that page
[15:25] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I'm not convinced that we can make it, it's pretty ambitious. but it is something we've been planning for a few releases
[17:59] <inetpro> tumbleweed: cool
[18:32] <magespawn> Evening all
[18:33] <highvoltage> hey magespawn!
[18:36] <magespawn> Whats up?
[18:38] <highvoltage> working and stuff
[18:39] <magespawn> That seems fairly normal.
[19:02] <superfly> heya highvoltage!
[19:30] <highvoltage> hello superfly 
[19:31] <superfly> highvoltage: things still going well with you?
[19:31] <highvoltage> yep, how are you doing?
[19:32] <superfly> highvoltage: well thanks
[19:32] <superfly> moved out of web development into firmware development... a welcome change!
[19:33] <highvoltage> nice.