[00:02] <craigbass1976> David-A, sudo apt-get install xfswitch-plugin  ?  Is that what I'm missing?
[00:04] <David-A> craigbass1976: probably yes, i didnt install it explicitly but got it via xfce4-goodies, i think.
[00:17] <David-A> ChristopherNG: you can test if you have open ports with shields-up. go to http://www.grc.com/ , click shieldsUP, scroll down, click shieldsUP, read use conditions, click proceed, and then click "file sharing" or "common ports" or "all ports" (long time)
[00:23] <gurrag> How do I set the "Window Buttons" panel item not to overflow off the side of the taskbar [i.e. pushing other panel items off the screen] ?
[00:24] <GridCube> :(
[00:24] <GridCube> you cant
[00:25] <ChristopherNG> David-A: thank you
[00:26] <GridCube> what i do is: 1) use the grouping ability (all the related windows will have their own group task icon) or 2) untick the "show icon labels" option so the task icons are smaller
[00:26] <GridCube> gurrag, ^
[00:29] <gurrag> dang, really?
[00:29] <gurrag> did they fix that in 4.10 of XFCE at all?
[00:29] <GridCube> dunno
[00:29] <gurrag> the joy of open source heh
[00:29] <gurrag> thanks though
[00:30] <GridCube> :) good luck
[01:29] <calligar> hello?
[01:29] <calligar> anyone here?
[01:29] <calligar> 103 ppl and no one can respond?
[01:31] <Unit193> !anyone
[01:31] <Unit193> !ask
[01:31] <calligar> o yes
[01:31] <calligar> ppl here, yes!
[01:32] <Unit193> Error, I am not a people.
[01:32] <Unit193> Anywho, what's up?
[01:32] <calligar> .....
[01:32] <calligar> i m in need of some help...
[01:32] <calligar> *I am in need of some help, sorry.
[01:33] <calligar> heres my problem....
[01:35] <calligar> i kinda did a little repartitioning with windows, and now i have a windows error that requires "repairing" the pc...this was caused because I put xubuntu 12.04 on the first harddrive (my pc apparently has 2 500 gb hard drives), so, to shorten this up and get to the point, im trying to back up my pc w/ a program called lucky backup (which my friend suggested i use), however, the internet is EXTREMELY slow on things like firefox, while s
[01:35] <calligar> therefore, i cant get this program
[01:36] <calligar> i have an intel centrino-n + wimax 6150 (or somethin similar to that) wireless card if that helps
[01:37] <calligar> windows 7 (before i moved the partition) connected to the internet just fine, so do all my other labtops (like the one im using now)
[01:38] <calligar> therefore, i no its definately xubuntu
[01:39] <calligar> im jus wonderin, is there a alternate easy way to get the program luckybackup w/o means of internet (on that computer), or is there an easy way to fix the internet connection problem?
[01:39] <calligar> id prefer to fix the internet connection if thats possible...
[01:40] <calligar> uh.....u still there unit?
[01:41] <calligar> :(
[01:41] <calligar> anyone?
[01:41] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1877120 That's one long one, but may help.
[01:44] <Unit193> (I also hit http://www.makeuseof.com/answers/internet-slow-ubuntu-windows/ if that counts)
[01:53] <calligar> kk...
[01:53] <calligar> i tried it
[01:54] <calligar> only prob is....my kernal is iwlwifi, not ath9k, therefore its not workin for me...
[01:54] <calligar> (read from the first link you gave me, not the second one)
[01:56] <calligar> !
[01:56] <calligar> sry, im being a noob, i didnt read all the website....my bad
[02:42] <calligar> ?
[02:54] <calligar> o btw....heres the forum im readin thru to try to fix my problem...hopin this is wat ultimately fixes it...
[02:55] <calligar> sry, rong person
[02:56] <bipolar> has anyone been able to get kiosk mode to work? I can get items to show as locked in xfce4-settings-editor, but they are not really locked. For instance if I try to lock the panel so it can't be moved, it can be unlocked and moved by the user.
[03:02] <calligar> out of curiousity, y r u trying to lock the items?
[03:02] <ToZ> bipolar, see: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6675
[03:02] <calligar> ah kk, jw...
[03:07] <bipolar> ToZ, It looks like I can only lock the panel down by locking the whole channel. The entire thing needs to be locked and the user can't customize anything on the panel at all. :(
[03:09] <calligar> r u sure? theres nothin else u can do?
[03:10] <bipolar> calligar, I am able to lock the whole thing down, but locking individual properties doesn't seem to have any effect at all.
[03:10] <bipolar> even though the xfce docs say it should be possible.
[03:11] <ToZ> bipolar, what do you mean by locking individual properties?
[03:12] <bipolar> ToZ, for instance, just the ability to move the panel.
[03:12] <bipolar> <property name="position-locked" type="bool" value="true" unlocked="root"/>
[03:14] <ToZ> bipolar, that doesn't lock panel position?
[03:14] <bipolar> ToZ, no. xfce4-settings-editor shows the property as being locked, but the user can still change it.
[03:16] <ToZ> bipolar, perhaps a bug report at bugzilla.xfce.org?
[03:17] <bipolar> ToZ, could be.
[04:24] <calligar> YES!!!!
[04:24] <calligar> i finally got it to work....
[04:25] <calligar> Unit193: tyvm, i can now proceed
[04:25] <Unit193> Glad that pointed you in the right direction then!
[04:27] <calligar> Unit193: and to think all the googling i had to do w/ lil to no help....yet the FIRS link u give me is the one w/ the answer....
[04:27] <calligar> Unit193: again, saved me a lot of effort, ty
[04:27] <Unit193> Sure, anytime.
[04:49] <ChristopherNg> Unit193: identify yourself please
[04:49] <calligar> ?
[04:49] <Unit193> Excuse me?
[04:50] <ChristopherNg> What is the meaning of Unit 193?
[04:52] <Unit193> That's unclear by your first request, and offtopic anyway.
[04:53] <ChristopherNg> Well Unit 731 was a racist Japanese Unit that did experiments on Chinese people, I just wanted to make sure that this 193 wasnt related to that in anyway.
[04:53] <pleia2> ChristopherNg: please take this elsewhere
[04:53] <ChristopherNg> As that would violate the freenode policy for racist or offensive terms.
[04:54] <ChristopherNg> pleia2: yes we should take it to offtopic but im going to sleep. Just pointing out that freenode policy should be ahdered to fully.
[04:54] <Unit193> 731 != 193, and not the place anyway.
[04:54] <pleia2> ChristopherNg: you are being really inappropriate, please stop
[04:54] <ChristopherNg> Like I said im going to sleep i could careless, I was just making sure that freenode policy was being upheld, Nn
[05:18] <calligar> Unit193:  out of curiousity...is it n incompatable driver w/ SOME wireless n cards, and thats y n has to b disabled (i m jus curious as to how disabling n fixed the problem)
[05:20] <Unit193> I haven't looked it up, have no N cards.
[05:50] <calligar> well, im out, cya
[06:48] <x__> Hello - i am searching for a windows XP Luna windows manager theme - BUT i coudn't find any - the are some themes but i can not find a windows manager theme - i need to make xubuntu look like windows xp luna - i am using xUbunutu 12.4
[06:49] <knome> it's possible there isn't any
[06:49] <knome> (and btw, it's 12.04, year.month)
[06:50] <x__> sorry - i do not understand what does : 12.04, year.month mean
[06:50] <knome> 12 for 2012, 04 for april :)
[06:50] <x__> aaa - i am new to xubunut
[06:52] <x__> i almost can't believe that there are no Windows XP windows manager themes - there are thousand of themes ...
[06:53] <gordonjcp> why would you want it to look like Windows XP?
[06:53] <gordonjcp> one reason for there being no themes based on XP is that they might infringe on Microsoft's IP
[06:54] <x__> i am new to xubunutu and also my colleagues - a windows xp theme will make our transitions to xubuntu more easy
[06:54] <gordonjcp> no, it won't
[06:54] <gordonjcp> nothing will work anything like the way it does in XP
[06:54] <gordonjcp> making it look like XP won't help with that
[06:55] <gordonjcp> if anything, it'll just confuse you
[06:55] <Sysi> isn't some default theme quite close to XP
[06:55] <x__> why are used to see a blue windows bar - and also we are used to some icons ..
[06:56] <gordonjcp> x__: then you need to get used to something different
[06:56] <x__> and also - i must say that i like windows xp theme
[06:57] <x__> i like the colors
[06:57] <gordonjcp> well, there's no accounting for taste
[06:58] <gordonjcp> x__: I only started using XP very recently, at work
[06:58] <x__> there are a LOT of themes that make xubunutu look like OSX but no luna thee ...
[06:58] <gordonjcp> I can't really say I like it
[06:58] <gordonjcp> it's garish and clunky
[06:58] <gordonjcp> "Windows XP Professional"
[06:58] <gordonjcp> "Professional" it says, but it looks like the set design for a children's TV programme
[06:59] <x__> i understand - but i was working on windows for allmost 20 :)
[06:59] <x__> 20 years
[06:59] <knome> Sysi, i don't think they are "default" anymore :)
[07:00] <Sysi> oh right, are they in some package then?
[07:00] <knome> xfce(4)-themes?
[07:01] <gordonjcp> x__: like I say, making the UI elements look like Windows won't make it any easier to get used to
[07:02] <x__> where can i find Redmond-xp theme ? is it in some package ?
[07:03] <knome> x__, try xfwm4-themes
[07:03] <ochosi> x__: you can also try to download this one: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/win4ubuntu+windows+xp?content=114453
[07:03] <knome> x__, but i agree with gordonjcp - many themes are pretty close, and as long as the window buttons are in the same order, i'm sure people won't have too much problems with that
[07:03] <ochosi> x__: i haven't used it personally though (and one comment says "my settings are RUINED" :p)
[07:03]  * knome gets shivers
[07:07] <x__> redmond xp IS in xfwm4-themes package - thank you
[09:45] <loule> hi
[09:45] <loule> has anyone tried deeply xfce on xubuntu 4.10?
[09:47] <loule> another try, better sentence :) has anyone tried xfce 4.10 on 12.04 ?
[09:48] <baizon> loule: im using it
[09:49] <loule> is it working great?
[09:50] <loule> from fresh install or upgrade?
[09:51] <Marzata> fresh install?
[09:51] <Sysi> Marzata: from cd, not upgraded from previous version/lts
[09:52] <loule> yes
[09:53] <loule> i m really interested in triing it but don't have time to reinstall if this break anything
[09:54] <loule> baizon : any feedback ?
[09:54] <Sysi> it's in official xubuntu dev's ppa so basically guys supporting xubuntu support it with 4.10 too
[09:55] <Sysi> and you can revert quite easily with package manager
[09:55] <loule> yes, but really don't have time to revert if big troubles comin... ( maybe some kind of laziness too.. :) )
[09:56] <Sysi> still maybe better stay old unless you really want something from it
[09:56] <knome> loule, then don't use the ppa.
[09:56] <knome> Sysi, and well, not really. (re: xfce 4.10 support in 12.04)
[09:56] <Marzata> you can get 4.10 fresh install from an iso?
[09:56] <knome> Sysi, it's just added for convenience, but it's not supported
[09:56] <knome> Marzata, no.
[09:57] <Sysi> knome: well, maintainers of ppa should support, but yeah
[09:57] <Marzata> do they plan it for 12.04.1?
[09:57] <knome> Marzata, nope
[09:57] <loule> well i think i'll give it a try
[09:58] <baizon> loule: upgrade, nothing is broken
[09:58] <loule> most of those who did seem ok
[09:58] <knome> Sysi, in theory yes. but it's really not like that, there are too many ppa's with not supported stuff.
[09:58] <baizon> Marzata: no
[09:58] <Marzata> so, next LTS with a new Xfce will be 14.04?
[09:58] <knome> Marzata, yes
[09:58] <Marzata> thanks, good to know that.
[09:58] <baizon> Marzata: xfce 4.10 will be included in 12.10
[09:59] <baizon> 14.04 will have xfce 4.12 for sure
[09:59] <loule> baizon : ok, if an upgrade did well, i think that 'll do it
[09:59] <baizon> maybe 4.14
[09:59] <baizon> loule: i used the xfce-dev ppa
[09:59] <Sysi> 12.10 isn't LTS though
[09:59] <baizon> loule: 1 thing
[09:59] <loule> k, that is what i'm gonna do too
[09:59] <knome> Sysi, but it's better to have 4.10 in the official ppa, and done right and tested at least a bit than not having it there and then getting some hacked up ppa's...
[09:59] <baizon> after the upgrade i recommend to purge the .session folder
[09:59] <Marzata> will stick to 12.04 LTS as far as we can. will see.
[10:00] <loule> baizon : did some tricky conf edit ?
[10:00] <Sysi> knome: totally
[10:00] <knome> Sysi, that's why it is the dev ppa, but not supported :)
[10:00] <baizon> loule: no
[10:01] <baizon> loule: like i said, deleted only the .session folder because i had problems with autostarting apps
[10:02] <loule> ok
[10:02] <baizon> that was the only problem i had
[10:02] <Sysi> ~/.cache/sessions maybe too
[10:03] <baizon> yes thats what i ment
[10:03] <baizon> the cache session folder
[10:03] <baizon> thanks Sysi :)
[10:06] <loule> the tile feature is working great?
[10:06] <baizon> loule: like it should
[10:07] <loule> that's a good start :)
[10:08] <baizon> loule: that was my most wanted feature
[10:08] <baizon> using it alot
[10:08] <loule>  honestly.... since i use Windows 7 at work.... can't live without
[10:09] <Sysi> I should learn to use this feature everyone seems to adore so much
[10:11] <loule> it's not a main feature that would change the world, but seems so natural once you use it...
[10:12] <loule> well, got to go, thanks for the infos all of you, see you soon
[11:22] <amandasue> How do I switch users quickly?  I thought xfswitch-plugin was what I needed, but I can't find ow to use it anywhere
[11:22] <baizon> you mean quick "log out"?
[11:24] <Sysi> amandasue: you add it to panel
[11:30] <aquix> whats the command line command to log out?
[11:30] <amandasue> aquix, I just type exit
[11:31] <aquix> no log out the user from it's session
[11:32] <baizon> aquix: http://askubuntu.com/questions/63172/how-to-remove-the-user-name-from-xubuntu-session-menu-panel-applet
[11:32] <amandasue> Sysi, I don't see it to add
[11:33] <aquix> thanks.
[11:41] <amandasue> exit
[11:42] <amandasue> oops.  not a command line...
[11:42] <baizon> :D
[12:32] <manitou> where in xubuntu is stored daemons arrays ?
[12:34] <Pici> manitou: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.
[12:34] <manitou> i need to check what daemons are started on boot !
[12:35] <manitou> im ney to ubuntu . like /etc/rc.conf !?
[12:36] <Pici> manitou: Check the contents of /etc/init/
[12:36] <Pici> !upstart
[12:36] <Pici> That may also be helpful.
[12:36] <aguitel> manitou, install bum
[12:36] <manitou> ok thx
[12:36] <manitou> :)
[12:37] <Pici> iirc, bum is not compatible with upstart.
[12:37] <xubuntu205> I have a question regarding application shorcuts and dvorak-other than the keys which overlap qwerty, I cannot get the shortcuts to work
[12:38] <manitou> i get diconected from wifi every time when comp go to sleep or hybernate . i use wicd . i need to check if any other network manager running !
[12:52] <astraljava> manitou: I don't understand, do you mean you won't automagically get connected to the wireless upon resume?
[12:54] <manitou> astraljava: i wanna to get auto connected on boot and when im back from hyberna. sleep . but somethimes wicd shows im connected but im not ! i need to restert wicd daemon and connect manualy to wifi !
[12:54] <manitou> its like some others network managers runs ?!
[12:54] <manitou> and its intel 5100 wifi
[12:56] <Sysi> IDK about wicd but that works with networkmanager
[12:59] <xubuntu244> can somebody help me with my problem? cannot install xubuntu?
[13:01] <knome> what is the exact problem
[13:02] <xubuntu244> i have a paragraph i wrote out that i can paste but it is pretty big and might be hard to follow...
[13:02] <xubuntu244> Well basically my windows 7 system crashed a few days ago so i went to use my system repair disk and i then realised half way through doing a fresh install of win 7 that i remembered i didnt burn the disk correctly so then my laptop wouldnt boot at all anymore i have had lots of trouble in the past with this laptop so i wanted to put ubuntu on it seen as it is free and i dont have the money to get it repaired at first ubuntu insta
[13:02] <knome> try !pastebin
[13:02] <knome> !pastebin
[13:03] <knome> - and just describing the problem with *xubuntu* is fine
[13:04] <xubuntu244> is that okay?
[13:04] <knome> xubuntu244, i/we didn't see the whole message, it was cut off the middle - try pasting it to pastebin (link above=
[13:05] <xubuntu244> it says download as text?
[13:05]  * loule at xfce 4.10 . Pretty nice but few troubles
[13:06] <loule> tiling upside or downside juste tiling on half of the screen with dual display customised
[13:07] <loule> but at first boot, was working great. But please devs ....... make default windows border easiest to grab to resize the windows !!! :)
[13:10] <knome> xubuntu244, so your problem is not able to install becuase you get stuck in the wireless dialog (http://paste.ubuntu.com/988886/)
[13:11] <knome> xubuntu244, have you tried the live cd?
[13:11] <knome> xubuntu244, i mean, the "try xubuntu" mode?
[13:11] <xubuntu244> yes it works fine
[13:11] <knome> ok. in bios, or via buttons (if it's laptop), can you disable wireless while you install?
[13:12] <knome> and have you tried that
[13:12] <xubuntu244> yes i have tried that still freezes
[13:13] <knome> have you tried with no internet at all?
[13:13] <xubuntu244> do you mean when it gives you the option to connect or not connect?
[13:14] <magnus> loule: I agree with the grabbing the border thing, can be a pain some times
[13:18] <knome> xubuntu244, no, i mean just disabling internet altogether, so it doesn't have a possibility to connect
[13:18] <knome> xubuntu244, also, have you checked the CD integrity?
[13:18] <xubuntu244> turning off the router? or something in the bios? and yes i have it says it is fine
[13:19] <knome> if there's a option in the bios, try that (that should disable the hardware), but if not, then try the router
[13:19] <knome> i think most bioses have an option to disable unneeded hardware
[13:20] <tomasz> Hi. My Xubuntu 12.04 tends to stop and do nothing for a minute after I login. How can I check what is causing this issue? I tried reading system logs, but I can't make any sense of them.
[13:21] <xubuntu244> i dont really understand my bios but also the ubuntu loading screen takes around 10 minutes until it gets to the screen where it says try or install could that be anything?
[13:23] <tomasz> Sorry, more info. It stops after I type my password and press login. Default wallpaper is displayed and nothing. No menu, no panels, no nothing. HDD doesn't do any work either.
[13:25] <x__> hello - i NEED to install sun java runtime - i have xubuntu 12.4 - on java.com they have a rpm package but i do not know how to install it - please help
[13:26] <loule> x___  : why don't you just install openjdk ? is "oracle" java the only way you can use java?
[13:27] <x__> SAP Gui - does not work with openjdk - i have already tried
[13:27] <aquix> tomasz  I don't know, but you could try bootchart and see if that tells you anything     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting
[13:27] <x__> http://scn.sap.com/thread/1128802
[13:28] <x__> SAP GUI for Java currently does not support OpenJDK
[13:31] <xubuntu244> can anybody help? http://paste.ubuntu.com/988886/ please?
[13:38] <tomasz> x__: download the tar.gz one. It should have readme how to run JDK.
[13:38] <x__> I HAVE SUCCEED IN INSTALLING SUN JAVA - HERE IS A GOOD TUTORIAL : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[13:38] <x__> Manual method - SECTION
[14:13] <nbjensen> Hi guys, any way to stop thunar from executing shell scripts when double clicking. It keep ignoring me when a choose another default? Kinda annoying to execute a configure in the wrong folder..
[14:15] <eljorge> hi
[14:15] <gordonjcp> hello
[14:20] <gordonjcp> goodbye
[14:27] <ChristopherNg> knome: are you available?
[14:27] <Sysi> offtopic, you could use private message after checking /whois
[16:23] <syk> is it possible to replace thunar with nautilus?
[16:24] <baizon> syk: yes it is
[16:24] <baizon> open USC and just install it
[16:24] <syk> ok
[16:25] <Unit193> Just know that nautilus likes to take over.
[16:30] <jgmdev> pcmanfm is a great alternative, it supports tabs, and works great with network mounts
[16:33] <aquix> and nautilus doesn't have the "lasso" marking effect in list view. Talked to the guys in the irc.gnome.org  nautilus channel  and there is no plans for it. Why I have used thunar for years on gnome 2.
[16:33] <Unit193> I have and use both pcmanfm and thunar, they have different strong points.
[16:34] <baizon> i use DoubleCommander :P
[16:35] <syk> is it safe to remove thunar? to make nautilus default
[16:38] <jgmdev> thunar is used internally by xfce4-desktop
[16:38] <syk> ah
[16:39] <jgmdev> so while you may set nautilus as preferred file manager, opening a file from desktop will insist on using thunar
[16:40] <syk> i see
[16:42] <knome> ChristopherNg, i'm back
[17:21] <Phips-> hi
[17:22] <Phips-> i have a little prob: xubuntu or better Firefox web browser doesn´t show me the website www.parkplatzvergleich.de completely
[17:24] <Phips-> when i´m searching for parking in frankfurt, there must be 22 search reasults at this page (in Win XP Home, Prof. and Vista), but Firefox only shows 8 of them
[17:25] <Phips-> is that a mistake in the settings or is that page/server a bit ... "stupid" and doesn´t send the right informations back ?
[17:27] <baizon> Phips-: googles profiling is the "bad guy"
[17:27] <baizon> google doesnt know that its you on the laptop :)
[17:28] <baizon> if you have a google account log in and you will get the same results :)
[17:28] <Phips-> yes, but it isn´t google that doesn´t show me the complete reasults, its the website parkplatzvergleich.de
[17:29] <baizon> Phips-: a ok
[17:29] <baizon> Phips-: what versions do you got?
[17:30] <baizon> of ff i mean
[17:30] <Phips-> Windows: when you´re looking "awake" and fast at the scrollbar on the right, loading, show the page, load a bit more, the bar gets smaller
[17:31] <Phips-> hm, another person is now at comp, at win at the moment, but i think it´s the current version
[17:31] <Phips-> of ff ^^
[17:32] <Phips-> so, is that possible that ff doesn´t recieve all site information ?
[17:33] <baizon> not really
[17:33] <Phips-> hm
[17:33] <baizon> but that could be a web site implementation problem
[17:33] <baizon> because they are detecting your browser
[17:34] <Phips-> i thought about that ...
[17:35] <Phips-> i think that´s a server problem (server which is uploading the pagefiles)
[17:37] <Phips-> i´ll show for updates when i´m  back in ubuntu again
[17:41] <Phips-> and one other thing:
[17:41] <Phips-> import mails from first OS Win XP to Thunderb.
[17:42] <Phips-> had already extras > import > messages
[17:42] <Phips-> but he didn´t show me any list for choosing the client from Win -.-
[17:56] <Phips-> ok bye
[19:35] <calligar> can anyone help me with a simple problem?
[19:36] <baizon> !ask | calligar
[19:38] <calligar> ok thanks, basically, im having trouble trying to install a plugin for pidgin called firefox, i cant find it in ubuntu software center or synaptics package manager, and when i download from the site, it seems to execute into ubuntu software center, but has an error and im unable to get it.  in othewords, how can i install gfire into pidgin?
[19:39] <baizon> calligar: use the ppa
[19:39] <baizon> dont donwload the files
[19:40] <calligar> whats the difference
[19:41] <calligar> nvm, read from site, ok thank you
[19:41] <baizon> hmm, i hope i could help :)
[20:26] <sambagirl> is is at all credible to think you can upgrade from ubuntu 10.10 to xubuntu?
[20:27] <Tojarkayu> @sambagirl I don't believe that will work, the disc will want to install side by side next to your old os
[20:28] <GridCube> sambagirl, upgrading and then installing xubuntu-desktop
[20:28] <sambagirl> ok well the reason i am considering the change from ubuntu is due to the new interface and menu styling they have been using since 10.10 and it's just not functiion for our purposes.
[20:29] <GridCube> then you have to purge unity stuff
[20:29] <GridCube> but a clean install is always better
[20:29] <sambagirl> yes it's the unity thing that has prevented us from upgrading
[20:29] <sambagirl> yes
[20:29] <Tojarkayu> that why I switched to xubuntu, I hate unity, and trying to remove it was causing me problems
[20:30] <GridCube> sambagirl, you can, you just have to install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage after you end the upgrade
[20:30] <Tojarkayu> I did clean installs after about a day of messing with it
[20:30] <sambagirl> so if i do on a laptop a clonezilla backup and then try the upgrade to a newer release of ubuntu and then install xubuntu-desktop and then remove the unity i can see what i have i guess
[20:30] <GridCube> yes
[20:30] <GridCube> will recommend a clean install though
[20:31] <sambagirl> ok thanks i'll atleast test on a laptop with backup done first. thanks!
[21:15] <jdaf> hello. i want to encrypt a couple of external hdds and i can't seem to find resources on easily doing the enryption process. could anyone point me to some resources?
[21:15] <GridCube> !encryption
[21:17] <jdaf> thanks, skimming it now
[21:28] <jdaf> so i run `ecryptfs-setup-private` in in `/media/TEST_USB` and it says: `ERROR:  wrapped-passphrase file already exists, use --force to overwrite.`
[21:29] <jdaf> my home dir is encrypted, i chose encrypt home dir during install
[21:34] <jdaf> hmm, nevermind. reading this one now: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage
[21:58] <jdaf> wow, thanks GridCude! using gnome-disk-utility you can format a drive and encrypt
[21:58] <jdaf> although the entry does say that using some of the cmd line options is more secure
[21:58] <jdaf> i'll investigate that one a little later
[21:58] <jdaf> but you saved me from fiddling all evening
[21:58] <jdaf> thanks!