[00:00] <tanin> So I keep getting a blacked out system upgrader failed window across center of screen. Has any one scene or heard of what I have described?
[00:00] <tanin> First Kubuntu install been ubuntu since 9.04.
[00:00] <tanin> anysuggestions would rock
[00:01] <HelenTheMelon> JMichael|work, It's solved now. :3
[00:01] <tanin> it occurs at boot time
[00:01] <JMichael|work> HelenTheMelon: how did you solve it?
[00:02] <JMichael|work> us.archive.ubuntu.com is a nightmare
[00:02] <HelenTheMelon> JMichael|work, xset -dpms
[00:05] <JMichael|work> HelenTheMelon: ty, good to know
[00:05] <JMichael|work> ok... kubuntu netbook is finally running... and so far it seems really nice
[01:21] <sunitasethi> hi
[02:02] <brad_> does gparted have a defrag feature I don't know about?
[02:10] <EvilResistance> brad_:  what do you mean by a defrag feature
[02:52] <WereCatf> What's the recommended apt frontend for KDE these days? I just installed Kubuntu, but found out that Muon Software Center is absolutely horrible and refuses to show most of the packages, with apparently no configuration options anywhere to show the missing ones. Tried asking in #kde but I guess everyone is sleeping atm.
[03:04] <qbit> WereCatf:  there are two muons - the software center which horrible and muon package manager, which I use
[03:05] <WereCatf> Why are there two?
[03:05] <qbit> WereCatf: I have seen reports of many who dislike Muon Package Manager, as well as problems. But in spite of some small flakiness that came and went because it was fixed - I've had pretty good luck with it
[03:06] <qbit> why 2? do not know
[03:06] <qbit> but the Software Center one is useless, imho
[03:07] <Resistance> because of the fact Ubuntu has two managers: a Software Center (so you can buy certain softwares) and a Package Manager (synaptic, which is optional)
[03:07] <Resistance> at least that's what i'm guessing, but...
[03:08] <qbit> I've used synaptic before and found it to be somewhat OK, but correct me if I'm wrong but it is GTK/Gnomish
[03:10] <qbit> I thought perhaps Muon Package Manager was like a Synaptic rewrite in Qt/KDE, but never looked into it to see. Just an impression I had
[03:10] <WereCatf> Wouldn't it make more sense to just consolidate both into same application and re-do the UI? :S
[03:10] <WereCatf> Why keep two completely different tools?
[03:10] <WereCatf> I'll never understand such decisions
[03:11] <Chalumeau> it's to parallel USC/Synaptic
[03:11] <qbit> don't know - but esentially sounds like the old Gnome vs KDE stuff rehashed
[03:11] <maco> for non-technicall users, packages are an odd concept
[03:11] <maco> but "install this program" is easy to get
[03:11] <Chalumeau> (and they took out Synaptic by default in Ubuntu)
[03:11] <maco> like app store styff
[03:11] <maco> *stuff
[03:11] <maco> so it abstracts away packags in the software center one
[03:12] <maco> if you're really technical and actually interested in this library or that library and this metapackage and whatnot, things that arent applications, but yet aren't a command line person, thats what the package manager one is for
[03:12] <maco> afaik, that's how the software center v. synaptic split works too
[03:12] <qbit> apt-get and tools will perform all same functions using CLI only
[03:12] <WereCatf> There is no good reason why one couldn't just filter the stuff out in the software center by default, but have a tickbox for showing the actual packages, too
[03:12] <maco> though i think ubuntu may have stopped shipping synaptic now, forcing users to the command line if they want a certain package
[03:13] <maco> qbit: not everyone is comfortable touching the cli though
[03:13] <qbit> true enough
[03:13] <Chalumeau> maco: they did a couple versions ago iirc
[03:14] <WereCatf> Oh well, anyways, I got what I wanted. I don't wish to bring the atmosphere down here so I'll try not to make any more negative comments :)
[03:39] <robotdevil> did nt i see something about clamav being able to be added to dolphin or something of that nature?
[03:57] <robotdevil> #$%$*&^()*_)() IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR WEB PAGES NOT TO HAVE AN UPDATE OR CREATED DATE
[04:05] <mysteriousdarren> robotdevil: why?
[04:06] <robotdevil> so you can tell if if its outdated
[04:07] <robotdevil> http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=308667 wow I was really hoping that the clamscan under the services section would work
[04:10] <LuchoKarajo> hola
[04:40] <nine_> Is there any thing I am missing???  Kubuntu 12.04 doesn't mount Iphones where as Ubuntu 12.04 willon same hardware
[04:46] <nine_> sad really...  12.04 is the most amazing Kubuntu to date...  My company uses Iphones and needs that kind of ability to mount...  Sad to see Kubuntu loose all that potential since there are a bollion Iphones and Iphone users!!!
[04:49] <nine_> Hmm...  Something for Kubuntu to think about I guess...  Back To Unity
[04:56] <deel> vixi cai aki de parauqedas mas pelo que vejo e um bate papo que vem n kde ?
[05:57] <Wizard> Good morning.
[06:32] <Wizard> safridzal: Hi ;)
[06:32] <safridzal> hi Wizard
[06:32] <safridzal> :D
[06:32] <Wizard> The time has come to update Lynx to Precise.
[06:32] <Wizard> Did anybody do this before?
[06:33] <Wizard> Currently do-release-upgrade doesn't even notify me about such possibility, which is weird.
[06:33]  * safridzal prefer an ISO upgrade
[06:34] <Wizard> Not at work, I some things to do.
[06:34] <Wizard> I wonder if is it possible to download updates first and left the essential part of the upgrade for later.
[06:35] <safridzal> do you mean to just download the package? not install them?
[06:35] <safridzal> you can read that on man apt-get
[06:36] <safridzal> the download only option
[06:39] <Wizard> Yeah, this is obvius, but what about the update.
[06:41] <Wizard> :]
[06:41] <safridzal> what do you mean?
[06:44] <Wizard> do-releas-upgrade downloads packages and immediately updates the system.
[06:45] <Wizard> I would like to split this, download updates "in background" while working, launch updating at the end of the day.
[06:47] <safridzal> Wizard: run the apt-get with -d option from tty2 or somwhere will do i think
[06:49] <Wizard> safridzal: but that would require altering sources.list manually. I don't want to. I "trust" the updater.
[06:51] <safridzal> well, i dont know about ubuntu way to upgrade.. :D I always do the mint way (ISO upgrade) to upgrade release :D
[06:55] <Wizard> Meh.
[08:05] <forgeaus> is there any gui way to mount a device?
[08:06] <CruX|> for example in krusader you can mount device
[08:06] <forgeaus> mountman? I tried that it only listed stuff that was already mounted
[08:06] <forgeaus> not stuff I haven't mounted yet
[08:07] <CruX|> forgeaus: and what is not mountable ?
[08:07] <forgeaus> I'm fairly certain these things are mountable
[08:07] <RuediiX> If the device is register in mtab, and you have authority to mount it it should be listed in most file managers.
[08:07] <RuediiX> What exactly are you trying to mount?
[08:07] <forgeaus> the system-settings for removable devices lists them but I don't want automount I just want to mount for a while to use
[08:08] <forgeaus> a hard drive I have temporarily in a sata drive bay
[08:08] <forgeaus> the file systems are fine (FAT32 I think)
[08:09] <forgeaus> but if I do it on terminal I have to make directories and juggle what sd* is what
[08:09] <forgeaus> etc etc..
[08:10] <RuediiX> OK, hmm.   I used to use a program in GNOME to handle things like that back before the switch to GNOME 3.
[08:10] <forgeaus> oddly dolphin seems to know them all
[08:10] <forgeaus> I'll try that
[08:11] <forgeaus> I rarely use dolphin
[08:13] <RuediiX> I tend to use Dolphin these days.   It seems more reliable.    It doesn't have all the internal HTTP stuff to bog it down that Konqueror does.
[08:13] <forgeaus> I prefer to use Krusader
[08:13] <forgeaus> I used to use norton Commander, back in the day for DOS stuff
[08:14] <forgeaus> I'm still far more comfortable in that kind of environment
[08:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:34] <RuediiX> If you like that type of environment you can configure Dolphin to that mode.  Compact or details.  To run fully keyboard driven, you can select with keyboard, select multiple with ctrl and use the menu key for options
[09:11] <root___> hi
[09:11] <forgeaus> hi, uh not so good a name choice by the way lol
[09:11] <lordievader> Hey root___
[09:11] <root___> how to install adobe reader for backtrack
[09:11] <lordievader> I think it is a fun name.
[09:12] <lordievader> Is there a linux version of Adobe Reader?
[09:12] <ForgeAus> fun perhaps, but dangerous if its what I think it is
[09:12] <root___> i tried apt-get install adobe readerm but error
[09:12] <ForgeAus> lordievader: maybe, I'm not sure
[09:12] <ForgeAus> uh root___ backtrack? don't know what that is
[09:12] <ForgeAus> but okular does pdf's for the most part
[09:12] <root___> plesai knoz
[09:12] <lordievader> Yeah it's probably not in the repos, check Adobe's website (look for a deb package)
[09:12] <ForgeAus> lordievader:  no if they do its not in the repos
[09:13] <ForgeAus> !info Adobe
[09:13] <ForgeAus> hmm
[09:13] <ForgeAus> !info adobe-reader
[09:13] <ForgeAus> see :)
[09:13] <root___> yeah
[09:13] <root___> thanks
[09:13] <ForgeAus> flash is, reader and stuff like illustrator is a whole otehr story...
[09:13] <ForgeAus> its all commercial anyway...
[09:14] <lordievader> There is a linux version! http://get.adobe.com/reader/?promoid=HRZAC
[09:14] <ForgeAus> you migth be able to get Linux editions I don't know
[09:14] <lordievader> Oh and it is a .bin.
[09:14] <ForgeAus> ahh there you go lordievader found one
[09:14] <ForgeAus> yeah ... but there should be some info on how to install it from there
[09:14] <CruX|> lordievader:  afaik adobe reader is in medibuntu repo
[09:14] <ForgeAus> anyway, back later, hav fun
[09:15] <lordievader> CruX|: I see, didn't know that.
[09:16] <lordievader> ForgeAus: ./<Whatever-it-is-called>.bin?
[10:19] <Wizard> Why does anybody need AcrobatReader while Okular is so good? :>
[10:19] <lordievader> Wizard: No idea, Okular is just fine
[10:25] <Wizard> lordievader: I think the same. It also opens other formats!
[10:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:50] <ForgeAus> whats the plus symbol on the upper left of file icons in Dolphin? and can you turn it off?
[10:51] <lordievader> ForgeAus: It is used for selections, you can use it instead of ctrl
[10:53] <lordievader> Not sure on how to remove it.
[10:55] <ct529> hi everybody
[10:55] <ct529> i have a quandary ....
[10:56] <hateball> !ask
[10:56] <ForgeAus> hehe a quandary, ok is that like where you pick stone from? on no wait thats a quarry ...
[10:56] <ct529> I am writing a backup script for a ku buntu machine .... the script mounts the server using nfs, then drops back to the original user, then rsyncs the home directory
[10:57] <ct529> I would you do the mounting (root) and coming back to the normal user within the script without adding too much vulnerability?
[10:59] <ehsansn> Hello
[11:00] <ehsansn> I use sudo dpkg -i *.deb with no problem but when I enter kdesudo dpkg -i *.deb it says:dpkg: error: need an action option
[11:01] <ehsansn> what is the problem?
[11:01] <lordievader> ehsansn: If sudo works, why not just use that?
[11:01] <ehsansn> because I want to put it in a bash script
[11:02] <lordievader> ehsansn: Sudo runs fine in scripts.
[11:02] <ehsansn> so that someone would just click the script and it installs all the .deb files
[11:03] <lordievader> ehsansn: So it needs to go through the gui?
[11:03] <ehsansn> yes
[11:03] <lordievader> ehsansn: Why than not just double click the .deb?
[11:04] <ehsansn> because there are lots of .deb files
[11:04] <ehsansn> including dependencies
[11:05] <BluesKaj> ct529, have you seen this ?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo , it might help clarify a few things
[11:05] <lordievader> ehsansn: You might need to add some "", so: kdesudo "dpkg -i *.deb"
[11:06] <lordievader> It seemed that kdesudo captures some arguments that where ment for dpkg
[11:06] <BluesKaj> ehsansn, no need for kdesudo in the terminal unless you want to launch a gui
[11:06] <lordievader> BluesKaj: That is what he wants
[11:06] <ct529> BluesKaj: ciao! Yes thanks .... what I need is to mount and umount in the same script, do not want to leave it mounted .... also i want to be in sudo state only for mounting, not for rsync
[11:07] <BluesKaj> dpkg  -i in the krunner ?
[11:07] <ehsansn> yes I actually want the noob user to see the gui
[11:07] <BluesKaj> ok , sorry to interrupt
[11:08] <ct529> BluesKaj: I want to minimise the time spent with the disk mounted and with the script in sudo.
[11:08] <ehsansn> kdesudo "dpkg -i *.deb" says dpkg: error processing *.deb (--install):
[11:08] <ehsansn>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[11:09] <lordievader> ehsansn: Than you need to use a for loop, dpkg can apparently not handle wildcards.
[11:10] <BluesKaj> ehsansn, usually the terminal is best right off the top to get new ppl used to the cli , rather than molly coddle them with the gui...that's my opinion
[11:10] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Same here, now that I know my way around in the terminal it made my life a lot easier :P
[11:11] <ehsansn> I think I found the way , I put dpkg -i *.deb in another bashscript and told kdesudo to run that script
[11:14] <ehsansn> thankyou all
[11:15] <lordievader> ehsansn: Sure no problem, good luck with your linux noobs :P
[11:15] <ehsansn> :)
[11:15]  * BluesKaj wonders what ehsansn is trying to install ... I still don't understand ...but it's early here
[11:16] <lordievader> From what I understand, he has a few noob users who need to install a folder full of .deb files.
[11:17] <lordievader> Be back in a bit.
[11:18] <BluesKaj> ok , didn't catch that
[11:18] <ehsansn> dear BluesKaj:  here we shall pay for bandwidth so people don't want to pay for installing some free apps just to see how linux is. so I wondered I would pack them in folders and make a gui installer.and I want it to be as easy as possible for windows users to understand
[11:18] <ehsansn> does that now make sense?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> well ehsansn to some degree , but it doesn't show how to install diferent kinds of apps , including compressed and apps in repos ...deb files aren't very representative actual linux install precedures ..but i do understand using debs since they come with their own built in installers
[11:22] <tanin> package managers would be esy for them to understand
[11:24] <tanin> rather sure apt-get could be understood
[11:26] <BluesKaj> tanin, well windows users are used a more complicated install method , so I guess deb installers are sort of "familiar " :)
[11:26]  * lordievader Returns to his pc
[11:27] <RuediiX> ehsansn you are running the command from a shell, and are in the same directory as the .deb files you are trying to install.
[11:27] <tanin> oh thats true wasn't in dis agreement
[11:27] <ehsansn> no Ruediix
[11:27] <ehsansn> Im just running the bash file
[11:28] <ehsansn> ;)
[11:28] <lordievader> ehsansn: It works now?
[11:28] <ehsansn> yes it actually does
[11:28] <ehsansn> how do you guys mention someone when chatting here?
[11:29] <ehsansn> you don't have to mention the whole name do you?
[11:29] <lordievader> ehsansn: Just type the username
[11:29] <lordievader> And just like in bash it (usually) has an autocomplete feature
[11:29] <ehsansn> lordievader: is it true?
[11:30] <ehsansn> ok thanks
[11:30] <lordievader> ehsansn: What is ture?
[11:30] <lordievader> true*
[11:30] <ehsansn> ;)
[11:40] <RuediiX> ehsansn Generally we type the whole username because people's chat clients highlight it for them.
[11:41] <ehsansn> I didn't know that before today
[11:41] <ehsansn> so thankyou
[11:42] <RuediiX> Personally, I wish they would use spellcheck algorithms to pick up possible misspelled and shortened usernames and highlight them a different color.
[11:44] <RuediiX> ehsansn, you would be surprised how many people spend years using a chat client with the feature and never notice that lines that have their username mentioned are highlighted.
[11:49] <BluesKaj> RuediiX, some never try to configure the chat , they just go with it
[11:50] <BluesKaj> client that is
[11:52] <RuediiX> Strangely, these are the defaults.  But some people never try to learn the defaults either, point taken.
[12:11] <teodi> hi, since upgrading to 12.04 global shortcuts (Fn+F9-12) in Clementine are not working.. I've tried to check Global shortcuts in system settings, but there's only amarok and I'm not really sure how to allow them.. any help?
[12:15] <PsynoKhi0> greetings, I'm a tad confused about the package installation utilities in Kubuntu Precise: what's the point of qapt?
[12:16] <PsynoKhi0> I'm trying to install the deb package for Opera that I got from their server
[12:18] <Ezim> PsynoKhi0, try gdebi
[12:20] <PsynoKhi0> Ezim: I suppose that will have to do, thanks
[12:21] <Ezim> PsynoKhi0, np.
[13:00] <PsynoKhi0> Hi, isn't the network manager supposed to display a pop-up window to enter a wireless network's passphrase when set up not to save any credentials?
[13:01] <lordievader> PsynoKhi0: That is indeed what it should do.
[13:02] <Wizard> PsynoKhi0: Exception is of course unsecured wifi ;]
[13:03] <PsynoKhi0> WPA2 networks in both cases
[13:08] <PsynoKhi0> they both just get stuck at failed authentication and disconnect, I can get to the connection manager and enter the password there for one of them. The other is a WPA2 enterprise network with PEAP  where I can again choose to not save my user's password, in which case the password field is disabled
[13:10] <PsynoKhi0> brb
[13:38] <pedor> hi, how I use a html asignature in kmail?
[13:59] <cancer> I have installed fresh Kubuntu, and now want to know about a good package installer. i did once but not don't have in mind. any help.
[13:59] <cancer> almoxarife: can you please tell me about the package installer?
[14:00] <cancer> wizard: hey
[14:01] <Wizard> ?
[14:01] <Wizard> Hi cancer
[14:01] <Wizard> I can't chat now.
[14:02] <Wizard> I'll be back here in about 4 hours.
[14:05] <cancer> wizard: hi, sorry i was searching for help. can you please tell me about any package installer.
[14:07] <lordievader> cancer: Hey, do you want a cli or a gui based package manager?
[14:08] <cancer> lordievader: gui
[14:09] <cancer> lordievader: i want the good one that work. cause default manager don't work fine.
[14:10] <lordievader> cancer: With the default one you mean Muon I guess? Not my favorite either, you could install synaptic, that is my favorite gui based. (sudo apt-get install synaptic)
[14:11] <cancer> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/480056/
[14:13] <cancer> lordievader: how to change server settings?
[14:13] <cancer> how to change server settings?
[14:15] <lordievader> cancer: Well I guess you could download the .deb from http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/synaptic (at the bottom of the page are the download links)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> cancer, open settings, configure software settings, make sure canonical partners is checked ,as well as 3rdparty sources
[14:17] <BluesKaj> in muon
[14:20] <lordievader> How is the support of tv tuner cards (old ones) in linux? I'm cleaning my room and found one, I remember that there where no windows 7 drivers for it...
[14:21] <BluesKaj> lordievader, i have an ati all in wonder tuner card , which used to work on tvtime ..haven't used it in a while tho.
[14:22] <cancer> blueskaj: software sources> other software> there are two, one with source code and one without it. do i have to do both
[14:22] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Tvtime is a linux app?
[14:22] <lordievader> I'll check that out later, thx
[14:23] <BluesKaj> cancer , don't check the source code repos
[14:24] <BluesKaj> yes lordievader tvtrime used to be a linux app for several types of tv tuners
[14:24] <BluesKaj> !tvtime
[14:25] <cancer> blueskaj: http://imagebin.org/212586     |        which one to check?
[14:26] <cancer> blueskaj: http://imagebin.org/212586
[14:27] <cancer> lordievader: command to install pidgin
[14:27] <BluesKaj> check canonical partners , but not the source code for any
[14:28] <BluesKaj> lordievader, i see tvtime in muon and synaptic
[14:28] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Oh ok, cool, thank you!
[14:30] <cancer> how to install pidgin
[14:30] <lordievader> cancer: sudo apt-get install pidgin
[14:37] <cancer> lordievader: do i need to update any of the packages. it's fresh installation so i don't know what to do. what's important
[14:37] <Aranel> after 12.04 upgrade now plasma-desktop crashes with "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)", any help?
[14:39] <lordievader> cancer: You mean update the system? I would do so, yes. "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:40] <cancer> lordievader: will it do the all i need for me.
[14:41] <lordievader> cancer: What do you mean?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> muon also notifies available updates/upgrades in the panel , but I still prefer to use apt-get in the termianl
[14:43] <cancer> lordievader: i mean i don't know much about kubuntu. i mean will it update | upgrade every driver or software i could need.
[14:45] <lordievader> cancer: It will update all of the programs currently installed. (If there are any update available ofcourse)
[14:48] <pedor> hi, I need some help with kmail, is it possible to use an html signature?
[14:50] <cancer> lordievader: please repeat the last command for update......
[14:50] <cancer> lordievader: machine was restarted
[14:51] <BluesKaj> cancer , copy and paste into the terminal, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:52] <BluesKaj> oops cancer , wait
[14:52] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:54] <cancer> blueskaj: what about this one, > sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:56] <lordievader> For as far as I know it does the same thing.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> cancer, no, copy and paste the command i posted into the terminal , you can run the commands you mentioned , but they have to be run individually , the && links them together as one command
[14:58] <BluesKaj> lordievader, neber used that versionof the command
[14:58] <BluesKaj> never
[14:58] <BluesKaj> but it seems to work :)
[14:58] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I made an alias for it, now I just have to type update and he will do all that.
[14:59]  * BluesKaj learns someting new everyday
[14:59]  * lordievader learns something new everyday too
[14:59] <cancer> blueskaj: ok, i'll do it
[14:59] <cancer> thanks, anyway.
[15:00] <cancer> blueskaj: will these updates work for audio & video drivers.
[15:00] <cancer> ?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yes i use aliases ud for update , ug for upgrades , dist ...but I prefer not to jump to dist-upgrade directly , I always upgrade first then dist
[15:00] <BluesKaj> cancer only for installed ones
[15:01] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Does it not update installed drivers? (Through the additional drivers thingie)
[15:02] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yes for installed drivers
[15:03] <lordievader> Well then cancer the installed drivers will get updated with the command.
[15:03]  * lordievader has a cookie :D
[15:04] <BluesKaj> the additional drivers "jockey" as it's known is an installer where one chooses to activate a driver , usually the the recommended diver is preferable
[15:04] <BluesKaj> diver = driver :)
[15:15] <lordievader> Hehe, the tv tuner card just works! Thanks BluesKaj for pointing me to tvtime
[15:16] <BluesKaj> lordievader, cool :)
[15:23] <lordievader> Is there a way to listen to a line in?
[15:23] <lordievader> The tv card has its own line out, that is now connected to the line in of my sound card.
[15:26] <lordievader> Nvm made some other connections..
[15:29] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yeah , that's the way the sound on most ati tv tuners work ..what model do you have ?
[15:30] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Some kind of pinnacle card.
[15:30] <lordievader> But I'm already surprised that it works, and so easily too.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> yeah , actually pinnacle and Hauppauge are the best tuner cards from what I've seen in reviews
[15:33] <ikonia> it's hard to top hauppauge in terms of support/compatability
[15:33] <BluesKaj> I got  what i paid for with the ATI ...it was on sale for half price ...it worked okk but the reolution was pretty crappy
[15:34] <lordievader> I got an old pc from some friends, it had this card in it...
[15:34] <lordievader> Never really used it though.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> resolution was like VHS on slowest speed
[15:34] <ikonia> I have 2 dual recieved hauppage HD cards, they are superb
[15:35] <BluesKaj> ikonia, HD  ?
[15:35] <ikonia> I really can't fault them, 4 channels of HD capabiliy, full linux support, very immpressive
[15:35] <BluesKaj> ikonia, nice
[15:35] <ikonia> BluesKaj: well, they can read the HD channels on UK freeview and my machine is powerful enough to encode/decode them
[15:35] <ikonia> it's rare I rate a product as well, in terms of design/price/compatability
[15:37] <BluesKaj> does the tuner card integrate well with the video card or does it have it's own HD/hdmi outs?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> etc
[15:38] <ikonia> the video card is the output device
[15:38] <ikonia> the tuner cards have no capability to display content
[15:39] <BluesKaj> ok . wasn't sure if any tv cards had video out
[15:39] <ikonia> some do, but they are more in line with the ati-all-in-wonder type thing
[15:40] <ikonia> these are dedicated TV tuners,
[15:40] <lordievader> This one has svideo out and composit (the yellow one) I believe.
[15:40] <BluesKaj> that's my old tv card ..but it's strictly ntsc/pal std
[15:42] <lordievader> Ain't that crazy, I remember searching for hours on Windows for drivers eventually giving up. And now just install tvtime and it just works!
[15:43] <Graf_Westerholt> lordievader Great! :)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> I was looking at the Hauppauge pvr , and transfer hd content from my satpvr to the pc using the component video and digital audio outs
[15:45] <BluesKaj> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html
[15:46] <ikonia> anything by hauppage I think your in for a good result (if you buy the right tool to do the job you want)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it's linux compatible , there's a website dedicated to it's use on 'buntu
[15:46] <ikonia> exactly, they are great like that
[15:50] <BluesKaj> unfortunately I settled for an outboard hard drive connected by USB to the satpvrto archive overflow ... had an old pvr with an unused 300G drive which came in useful
[15:53] <BluesKaj> 30 bucks for a sata hdd enclosre , was a lot cheaper than 200bucks for the hauppauge ... we're on fixed income , so priorities and all that
[16:11] <lordievader> Gotta go, cya
[16:33] <BluesKaj> hey Daskreech
[16:56] <Daskreech> Hi BluesKaj
[17:20] <maco> how do i make Apper stop nagging me to upgrade to 12.04?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> does apper have a notifier option maco ? if so turn it off
[17:35] <maco> BluesKaj: ooh apper's a gui thing. i thought it was some background service daemon
[17:36] <maco> BluesKaj: but no, no options regarding the notifications
[17:36] <maco> just check daily
[17:36] <maco> but apper nags every 15 minutes or so
[17:36] <BluesKaj> maco, yeah , someone mentioned that it's  upgrade of kpackagekit
[17:38] <BluesKaj> maco, muon is probly the notifier you see
[17:39] <maco> it says "Apper" at the top of the notification bubble
[17:39] <maco> i also see muon notifiers when i have normal (not new release) updates
[17:41] <lelamal> maco: you could probably just uninstall apper, and use only muon
[17:42] <maco> ok. i wonder why upgrading to 11.10 didnt just do that then
[17:44] <mr0wl> anyone know a good PPA for the latest Kdenlive?
[17:45] <ForgeAus> apper seems pretty good from what I've noticed
[17:45] <ForgeAus> Muon works fine so no need for it but apper integrates into system-settings
[17:48] <maco> the trouble with apper is it asks every 15 minutes about upgrading to 12.04
[17:48] <maco> and if you click the "cancel" on the window that comes up explaining 12.04 and being all "are you sure?" at you... it crashes
[17:49] <swecarp> mr0wl,  i knowe 1 ppa but hes not finished with it yeat
[17:49] <mr0wl> swecarp: which one is it?
[17:50] <swecarp> mr0wl,  heres his launchpad addy https://launchpad.net/~philip5 he has manny good ppa have hade some puter trubbel bet hes working on the new precise ppa s what i knowe
[17:51] <mr0wl> swecarp: oh great, thank you so much
[17:52] <swecarp> mr0wl,  his ppasw is werry good hav a look what hes have
[18:07] <lordievader> Good evening
[18:16] <Fake_Salmon> ?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> just gave up on kmail for a 2nd time ... this time it's gonna be a while 'til I try it again
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[18:25]  * Wizard returned.
[18:25] <Wizard> Hi phoenix_firebrd.
[18:26] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: hi
[18:27] <lordievader> Welcome back Wizard
[18:30] <Wizard> lordievader: ;]
[18:30] <Wizard> I haz a beer!
[18:46] <serge> hi i have instaled kubuntu 12.04 and i have problem with fonts in google earth  plz help
[18:47] <dugan_> I installed Kubuntu 12.04 on my Acer laptop and I need some help getting the onboard camera to work
[18:49] <Wizard> serge: screenshot
[18:49] <Wizard> dugan_: precise "to work"
[18:49] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/how-to-fix-ugly-fonts-in-google-earth-6-2-on-ubuntu/
[18:49] <Wizard> serge: nvm ^^
[18:50] <Wizard> phoenix_firebrd: First link from google? :P
[18:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard:  :)
[18:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: i had the problem
[18:50] <dugan_> I am a total noob when it comes to linux and need some help with installing camera that is built into the laptop
[18:50] <Wizard> phoenix_firebrd: ;]
[18:51] <Wizard> dugan_: It should work out of the box.
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> dugan_: is camera not working?
[18:51] <dugan_> it's working on the windows side of the partition
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> dugan_: ya it should work normally
thx but this solution is not working on 12.04 ((
[18:52] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: sorry, forgot to tell you, restart after doing that
[18:52] <Wizard> dugan_: huh?
[18:54] <dugan_> when I start up Skype, there is no camera and when I check system settings there is no camera at all
[18:54] <serge> scrennshot http://pixs.ru/showimage/snimok3png_2030869_4805558.png
[18:55] <phoenix_firebrd> dugan_: did you check with kopete?
[18:55] <dugan_> nope, lemme check that now
[18:56] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: are you using russian language?
[18:57] <Wizard> Seem so.
[18:57] <Wizard> "Starup hint"
 yes
[19:01] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: what is told you before was the only solution i can find on the internet
[19:01] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: did you restart after trying the solution?
 yes restart but is not working(( i found this http://installuninstall.com/google-earth-6-2-ubuntu-12-04.html but google easth even not star after replace
[19:02] <malformed> has somebody an idea when the backports will be available for 12.04 or when (and how) to gain access to gimp 2.8 without using "strange" ppas?
[19:03] <Wizard> Lemme read it.
[19:03] <dugan_> thanks guys and gals.... that worked great
[19:03] <Wizard> o_O
[19:03] <Wizard> What worked great?
[19:03] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: kubuntu 64 bit?
 yes
[19:05] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: thats a reported bug
[19:05] <malformed> oops, just realised that I forgot to say "hi" first - please accept my excuse. And: "Hi there" =)
 hm .. ok
[19:07] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: i will work fine with a 32 bit kubuntu, problem is in a shared library
[19:08] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: try the solution given here http://askubuntu.com/questions/130970/google-earth-will-not-launch
 ok thank you very much
[19:10] <phoenix_firebrd> serge: yw
[19:12] <Guest60193> Awesome!
[19:13] <Guest60193> Hey guys...I just found this and works awesome!
[19:13] <Guest60193> http://www.filedropper.com/microsoftftpconnector
[19:13] <Guest60193> It allows you to download directly from the M$ ftp...
[19:14] <lordievader> Guest60193 = spam/virus?
[19:14] <Guest60193> nope, I tried it
[19:14] <Guest60193> windows xp
[19:14] <lordievader> Ftp, built right in so why would anyone here need something like that?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> download what ?
[19:15] <Guest60193> it uses some kind of alogorithm that bypasses the need to login, and takes directly to the root of their server to download all the m$ apps
[19:16] <Guest60193> I have the latest office, with windows 7 and also the windows 8 beta
[19:16] <lordievader> Then still, why sould anyone here need something like that? Do you know where you are?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> Guest60193, and why are you telling us this ? :)
[19:16] <Guest60193> I thought I would share with you guys.
[19:16] <lordievader> Can someone mute/ban/kick him?
[19:17] <Guest60193> I found it on a forum and tried it...You want it, no? Well ok, no need to ban me
[19:17] <BluesKaj> MS windows troll , perhaps ?
[19:17] <lordievader> Could be... Clearly doesn't know where he is...
[19:17] <lordievader> He/she?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> Guest60193, do you have a kubuntu related comment or question?
[19:18] <cancer> blueskaj: I have ;D
[19:18] <BluesKaj> guess not :)
[19:18] <Guest60193> what is kubuntu, I tought that was the name of the chat
[19:18] <Guest60193> ????
[19:18] <lordievader> Hey cancer, how are you?
[19:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest60193: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[19:18] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu
[19:18] <cancer> lordievader: hi, i'm fine, thanks for askin
[19:19] <BluesKaj> with a name like cancer , i wonder
[19:19] <phoenix_firebrd> ha ha ha
[19:19] <lordievader> lol
[19:20] <cancer> lordievader: i'm stuck with kubuntu. i'm facing issues. even after installing the fresh copy and command for up|dist-ug.... its hangs after start up. only i am able to use alf+f2 to run any app (even not all)
[19:21] <cancer> Blueskaj: Yes, it's cancer 'name for some ppls' and star for others :-p
[19:22] <cancer> lordievader: i cannot click any icon in panel (like windows xp start bar)
[19:23] <lordievader> cancer: Euhmm, could you perhaps send a screenshot?
[19:23] <cancer> lordievader: i tried to take one, but failed. it stucks.
[19:23] <phoenix_firebrd> cancer: is the taskmanager working?
[19:23] <cancer> lordievader: will it work with failsafe load
[19:24] <lordievader> cancer: Is the install old/heavy modified?
[19:25] <cancer> lordievader: old/heavy?
[19:25] <lordievader> Old or heavily modified XD
[19:26] <cancer> lordievader: :( let me get back into kubuntu. need a quick reboot. Brb :)
[19:26] <cancer> C Ya
[19:26] <cancer> sudo reboot ;)
[19:27] <lordievader> Sudo reboot in kde isn't a very clean way of doing things I've noticed
[19:27] <Wizard> ;]
[19:29] <BluesKaj> brb , gotta setup thunderbird on my other drive /12.04 ...kmail is just too much bother segfaulting constantly ... gonna wait for a while 'til I try it again
[19:29] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[19:30] <cancer> lordievader: Back with Kubuntu LO@dEd
[19:30] <cancer> Lordievader: i am now loged in with failsafe (previous session)
[19:31] <lordievader> cancer: And the failsafe works?
[19:32] <cancer> lordievader: yes, that's y i'm with ya know. can't say much about next time
[19:34] <lordievader> I'm thinking it is a driver issue... What kind of gfx card do you have?
[19:34] <cancer> lordievader: nvidia quadro
[19:35] <lordievader> cancer: Did you install a driver for it?
[19:35] <cancer> lordievader: before doing with drivers, i need to ask about the panel. i mistakenly removed the some panel, where it shows open windows. now i can only switch them by alt+tab method
[19:36] <lordievader> cancer: Rightclick the desktop -> add panel -> default
[19:36] <cancer> lordievader: Nope, no drivers yet. no sound and no graphic drivers.
[19:36] <lordievader> You might have to unlock the widgets
[19:36] <cancer> lordievader: i tried that method and it hang
[19:37] <lordievader> cancer: Then you'll need to get a driver from nVidea.
[19:37] <cancer> lordievader: tell me how to do it. it's an impossible task, i tried to get help from here when i first installed kubuntu
[19:38] <Wizard> :(
[19:38] <Wizard> Drivers problem?
[19:38] <cancer> Lordievader: where to start. driver thingy is still untouched.
[19:38] <cancer> Wizard: Yep :)
[19:38] <lordievader> cancer: Jup it is difficult, I remember the first time I had to do that in linux... god what a problem. But now it is a breeze.
[19:39] <lordievader> cancer: I guess you could use the GUI method
[19:39] <lordievader> kmenu -> apps -> system -> additional drivers.
[19:39] <Wizard> lordievader: like jockey?
[19:39] <Wizard> ^^
[19:39] <lordievader> Yea
[19:39] <cancer> wizard: i remember jockey, but i think kubuntu needs jacky :-p
[19:40] <lordievader> I don't know how the app is called... actually, I just know it is that additional drivers thing. I don't use it myself.
[19:40] <cancer> lordievader: i tried once from additional drivers. but it change resolution to 640****. now current resolution is 1024****
[19:41] <lordievader> cancer: Do you now have a nvidea control panel?
[19:41] <lordievader> Or did you install the nouveau driver?
[19:41] <cancer> lordievader | wizard: please tell me the solution that works fine. i don't want to install kubuntu again. it's just today i have installed it.
[19:42] <Wizard> cancer: Is it nvidia optimus?
[19:42] <lordievader> cancer: What options do you have in jockey/additional drivers?
[19:42] <cancer> lordievader: no nvidia control panel.
[19:44] <lordievader> cancer: But what does that jockey/additional drivers/what-ever-it-is-called thing give you?
[19:46] <cancer> wizard | lordievader: http://imagebin.org/212609
[19:47] <lordievader> cancer: Wich one did you try?
[19:47] <cancer> wizard | lordievader: There are no activated Drivers:D
[19:47] <cancer> wizard | lordievader: none
[19:47] <lordievader> cancer: Well activate the top one, post-release 173
[19:48] <Galvatron> What crad?
[19:48] <Galvatron> *card
[19:48] <cancer> lordievader: the top one. (hope it won't come with experimental based)
[19:48] <cancer> Galvatron: Nvidia quadro
[19:48] <Galvatron> Which model?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> ok , thunderbird works like a charm on 12.04 & 12.10 ...dunno why i bothered with kmail
[19:49] <cancer> Galvatron: i don't remember it's model. it's some FX 1000 i thing
[19:49] <cancer> think*
[19:49] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Jup thunderbird is nice :)
[19:50] <Galvatron> FX 1000 and newer should be supported in the latest drivers
[19:50] <BluesKaj> cancer, open a terminal , dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[19:50] <cancer> Galvatron: Yes, it's 'Nvidia Quadro FX 1000' Confirmed
[19:51] <cancer> blueskaj: ii  nvidia-common                          1:0.2.35                                 Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers
[19:51] <Embalmed> Hey guys, i'm trying to do-release-upgrade and it keeps failing saying some 3rd party packages can't be upgraded or something, where do i look to find out what those packages are
[19:52] <BluesKaj> oops i should have mentioned pastebin , cancer
[19:52] <cancer> Galvatron: Latest drivers but how to do it. i don't know. once i have tried that jockey.
[19:52] <cancer> Blueskaj: that what i did even having bin in mind. Sorry. :)
[19:53] <lordievader> cancer: If i am not mistaken 173/post release are the latest.
[19:53] <Galvatron> Sorry
[19:53] <cancer> lordievader: i was just going to ask about it. So i should do it now? need a y/n to proceed.
[19:54] <Galvatron> I've just checked and Quadro FX 1000 is GF5-based
[19:54] <Galvatron> So no new drivers support - legacy only
[19:54] <lordievader> Galvatron: So 96?
[19:55] <lordievader> version 96 I mean
[19:55] <Galvatron> 173.xx rather
[19:55] <lordievader> 96 is newer than 173?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> Embalmed, open muon settings>configure software sources, and uncheck 3rd party software sources
[19:56] <cancer> lordievader | Galvatron | blueskaj | Wizard: ???? :|
[19:56] <Wizard> ?
[19:56] <Embalmed> BluesKaj: I can try that, but the script said it was disabling 3rd party sources also, so i don't think that will help
[19:57] <Embalmed> was just lookign for a log or somethign that said exactly what
[19:57] <cancer> Wizard: do you have any solution?
[19:57] <lordievader> cancer: I'm sorry I don't have use nvidia card, I have one, but I don't use it. So I don't really know what version you need XD
[19:57] <Wizard> cancer: I'm terribly sorry, but I am avoding nvidia like it's been leprous :(
[19:57] <Wizard> That's why I've *never* had to deal with such problem and I simple don't know how can I help you.
[19:57] <Galvatron> For this very card nVidia's website recommends drivers 173.1431
[19:58] <BluesKaj> cancer, open kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers , choose the recommended driver and activate it ,,,it will then proceed to download install and configure the driver
[19:58] <cancer> Galvatron: :-?
[19:58] <Galvatron> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[19:58] <Galvatron> See for yourself
[19:58] <cancer> blueskaj: and will it work?
[19:58] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Isn't the post-release updates one a better one?
[19:58] <Galvatron> So install the 173.xx, NOT 96.xx
[19:58] <BluesKaj> lordievader, not on my setup
[19:59] <lordievader> Hmm ok, I wouldn't know...
[19:59] <cancer> Galvatron | blueskaj: so what finally i should choose > http://imagebin.org/212609
[20:00] <BluesKaj> the driver that shows as "recommended" is tested and known to work , lordievader , the post-release drivrs are usually experiumental
[20:00] <lordievader> Ah ok, thanks. One of the reasons I like the IRC channels, I always learn new things :D
[20:01] <cancer> OK Guys here it goes the recommended.....
[20:01] <lordievader> Goof luck
[20:01] <BluesKaj> yes cancer , as I said , "recommended"
[20:01] <Galvatron> nVidia's experimental drivers are marked as "BETA"
[20:01] <lordievader> Good*
[20:02] <Galvatron> All the reast are stable
[20:02] <Galvatron> At least in theory...
[20:03] <cancer> i've been once gone with all this process. finally what i got is not to look at kubuntu. and it's goes again. hope it won't :D
[20:03] <Galvatron> I definitely recommend going for post-release stable drivers, as they might have bugfixes and new features
[20:04] <Galvatron> BEAT only if they  solve some urgent issue, and.or drmatically improve the performance
[20:05] <cancer> Galvatron: anyway, i must be ready for issue after those drivers finished.
[20:06] <Embalmed> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[20:06] <Embalmed> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
[20:06] <Embalmed> caused by held packages.
[20:07] <cancer> lordievader: i only have qapt package installer. is there any other installer?
[20:07] <lordievader> cancer: Sorry, what?
[20:07] <cancer> lordievader: package installer other than Qapt
[20:08] <lordievader> You want a different package manager? Try synaptic (sudo apt-get install synaptic)
[20:08] <lordievader> You might have to enable some repos though...
[20:08] <lordievader> Not sure.
[20:11] <lordievader> cancer: Did you install the driver?
[20:11] <cancer> lordievader: i have teamviewer, but i cannot install it. someone from here told me once about some kde installer as i remember. with right click i used to install it.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> Embalmed, did you update with apt-get after editing the package manager..it's a good policy
[20:11] <cancer> lordievader: yes, drivers are finished and need a restart. but i'm afraid to do. so i'm asking about some other little stuff. :)
[20:11] <Embalmed> trying that now, the do-release-upgrade replaced oneiric with precise in the sources.list so i had to revert, and now i'm updating
[20:12] <cancer> Lordievader: recommended drivers are installed.
[20:13] <lordievader> cancer: Ok good, let us know if they work!
[20:26] <lordievader> cancer: And does it work?
[20:27] <cancer> lordievader: yes. does a man need glasses when drivers won't work?  :D
[20:27] <BluesKaj> it must he's using quassel
[20:27] <cancer> Lordievader: it's worked and remind me of late kubuntu.
[20:27] <lordievader> How do you mean that?
[20:28] <cancer> blueskaj: who? me. i'm using quassel.
[20:30] <cancer> blueskaj | lordievader: dirvers are installed and now resolution is changed to 640x480. this is the highest resolution.
[20:30] <lordievader> Go to the nvidia control panel.
[20:30] <BluesKaj> cancer, yes the join message tells us you're using quassel
[20:31] <cancer> blueskaj: right, once upon a time i learned to use it :-p
[20:31] <cancer> lordievader: i'm on it.
[20:31] <cancer> lordievader: wt's next
[20:32] <lordievader> I don't know the nvidia control panel, but see if there is an option to change it...
[20:32] <BluesKaj> cancer, kmenu>apps>settings >nvidia x-server settings
[20:33] <cancer> lordievader: no there isn't any opt.
[20:33] <cancer> blueskaj: i'm on it.
[20:34] <cancer> blueskaj: what next?
[20:35] <cancer> lordievader | blueskaj: http://imagebin.org/212616
[20:36] <cancer> lordievader | blueskaj: http://imagebin.org/212617
[20:36] <cancer> Am i Lost? anyone there....!
[20:37] <lordievader> Nope right track.
[20:37] <lordievader> It's just that I don't use nVidia so I wouldn't know where to go. Look around for resolution settings.
[20:38] <cancer> lordievader | blueskaj: http://imagebin.org/212618
[20:38] <BluesKaj> cancer, try kmenu>computer>system settings>display and monitor >size and orientation , arethere nay options in the "size" dropdown ?
[20:38] <Ezim> cancer, look to display configuration
[20:38] <BluesKaj> are there any
[20:39] <cancer> blueskaj: http://imagebin.org/212616  |  http://imagebin.org/212617  |   http://imagebin.org/212618
[20:39] <cancer> Blueskaj: yes there are two.
[20:40] <Ezim> cancer, hmm why are you using driver 173... (legacy)? old nvidia card?
[20:40] <cancer> blueskaj: 320x240  |  640x480
[20:40] <lordievader> cancer: What is the resolution you want?
[20:40] <lordievader> cancer: There are dirty workarounds...
[20:41] <cancer> Ezim: Nvidia Quadro FX 1000.
[20:41] <Ezim> cancer, then you are using wrong driver
[20:41] <lordievader> 173 is the recommended?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> then you might want to try the post-release driver , since 640x480 is quite low res
[20:42] <Ezim> Legacy releases for GeForce 5 series GPUs <<--- is for 173... drivers
[20:42] <BluesKaj> Ezim, he's using the recommended driver
[20:42] <lordievader> Or you could force a res with xrandr
[20:43] <lordievader> I'm not really sure how gfx cards respond to that actually XD
[20:43] <lordievader> CRT monitors however respond fine to the workaround
[20:43] <cancer> lordievader: i was using above 1024x****. something like 1280x960 as i remember
[20:44] <cancer> ezim: recommended driver were 173 shown their.
[20:44] <Galvatron> As for 17", 1152x864 is more optimal
[20:44] <cancer> lordievader: ahh i don't know well but heard of Xrandr too. :D
[20:44] <lordievader> cancer: As I said: not sure how GFX cards respond to it, but you could try: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[20:45] <cancer> galvatron: i really don't remmeber the exact resolution. but i'm currently using 1280x???? somthing. i remember 1208
[20:45] <cancer> 1280
[20:45] <lordievader> 1280x1024?
[20:46] <cancer> blueskaj: i know i'm using the drivers you told me. now what with xserver setting?
[20:46] <cancer> blueskaj: http://imagebin.org/212616 | http://imagebin.org/212617 | http://imagebin.org/212618
[20:47] <Ezim> cancer, your display configuration is not working correct
[20:47] <Ezim> thats why your resolution is not picking what it should have
[20:48] <BluesKaj> cancer, I saw that , I just posted , try the post-release driver instead ...they are obviously being very cautious about the recommended driver , but the post-release driver might be better
[20:48] <lordievader> cancer: Did you do an, what was it?, nvidea-xconfig or something like that?
[20:49] <Ezim> lordievader,  nvidea-xconfig gives new xorg.conf file
[20:49] <lordievader> Long time ago when I used an nvidia card...
[20:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, if he used the jockey install in additional driver the nvidia-xconfig should have been auto generated
[20:49] <lordievader> Ah oke... nvm :P
[20:50] <Ezim> if not correct used cancer can after that command line not boot up again. must pick livecd and make new xorg.conf
[20:50] <cancer> lordievader: i think i have tried those tricks in past. i'm afraid that trick will take me in to black hole
[20:50] <Embalmed> i think getting it up to date oneiric first and doing do-release-upgrade has made it work, its downloading 1.5 gig of packages now
[20:50] <cancer> lordievader: sorry i'll try that when i'll have no other options.
[20:50] <Embalmed> thanks BluesKaj
[20:51] <lordievader> Embalmed: That is why we have a recover option in grub ;)
[20:51] <BluesKaj> Ezim, or use the tty to remove the driver , and let the default driver run
[20:51] <Ezim> BluesKaj, thats work, but not all can handle tty.
[20:51] <cancer> blueskaj |ezim | lordievader | galvatron: what's the final decission
[20:51] <BluesKaj> Embalmed, ok , good to hear ;:)
[20:52] <Ezim> cancer, I would try with other drivers and not legacy
[20:52] <BluesKaj> well cancer the decision is yours
[20:52] <Ezim> your card is newer then mois
[20:52] <cancer> blueskaj: thanks for ur opinion
[20:53] <cancer> Lordievader: what up bro :D
[20:53] <lordievader> cancer: ?
[20:53] <BluesKaj> cancer , try the post-release driver
[20:53] <cancer> lordievader: okie doki
[20:53] <cancer> i'm on it
[20:54] <lordievader> cancer: I'd say the same thing. Though I don't use nvidia :P, just give me ATI and I'll know what to do
[20:54] <cancer> lordievader: maybe ATI don't do Nvidia stuff :)
[20:55] <cancer> anyway, removing recommended drivers.
[20:55] <lordievader> cancer: My way of installing ATI drivers is through the cli/tty not really noob-friendly :P
[20:55] <cancer> lordievader: any idea about sound drivers
[20:55] <lordievader> cancer: Are they not present?
[20:56] <lordievader> Most cards should work out of the box...
[20:56] <cancer> lordievader: it could be. i like google.
[20:57] <cancer> lordievader: i removed the recommended and started the post release. it is 173 updates. do it need recommended one's to be present
[20:58] <cancer> What if post release didn't work. then where to go.
[20:58] <cancer> ?
[20:58] <lordievader> cancer: It's best to have just one activated.
[20:58] <cancer> ok. post one's are on there way alone.
[20:58] <BluesKaj> cancer , no need to remove any driver just choose the post-release to activate , and the other drivers will disabled
[20:58] <lordievader> cancer: Drop to a tty and run something along the lines of: sudo apt-get remove nvidia*
[20:59] <BluesKaj> lordievader, no, he needs to stop kdm etc on the tty , let the additonal drivers jockey do the work for him at this point
[21:00] <cancer> lordievader: did you remember about package installer i was asking about. it was 'Gdebi-kde'. i used to install team viewer with it.
[21:00] <lordievader> I ment that as an action if the driver fails and he gets a black screen or something else nasty.
[21:01] <lordievader> Perhaps I wasn't clear on that point...
[21:01] <cancer> I hate that black screen. it loves me alot. once it appears won't left forever.
[21:02] <cancer> reboot time
[21:02] <cancer> brb
[21:02] <lordievader> cancer: We all love it :P
[21:04] <cancer> Back with same results
[21:04] <lordievader> 640x480?
[21:04] <cancer> yep
[21:04] <lordievader> Try forcing something higher...
[21:05] <lordievader> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[21:05] <cancer> One difference this time
[21:05] <cancer> Check this out
[21:05] <siganderson> I don't understand why the screen goes in stand-by even if I set the screensaver and energy power features to off... anyone can help?
[21:06] <cancer> http://imagebin.org/212621
[21:06] <cancer> lordievader | blueskaj | ezim: http://imagebin.org/212621
[21:06] <lordievader> siganderson: It did the samething for me, now I've just set the screen energy saving for 360min and it never goes to sleep again...
[21:07] <lordievader> siganderson: Not really an answer, I know, but it works for me...
[21:07] <siganderson> tnx lordievader
[21:07] <lordievader> cancer: That seems to be better than last time... the dropdown configuration doesn't give you any other options?
[21:07] <BluesKaj> siganderson, I posted a suggestion in  #kde
[21:09] <cancer> lordievader: nothing for resolution
[21:09] <lordievader> cancer: Try forcing it...
[21:10] <BluesKaj> ok..enough for one day ...take care
[21:10] <Ezim> cancer, you can always use the opensource nvidia drivers
[21:10] <cancer> ezim: will those works?
[21:10] <lordievader> I'd first try to force the resolution onto it.
[21:11] <cancer> lordievader: there are driver on official site.
[21:11] <cancer> lordievader: will it goes blank if forcing didn't work?
[21:11] <lordievader> That is what you got now.
[21:11] <lordievader> cancer: It might, but then you can correct it through the tty.
[21:12] <lordievader> Or reboot :P
[21:12] <lordievader> xrandr things aren't permanent...
[21:12] <cancer> then first tell me how can i correct it. then i try
[21:12] <cancer> :D
[21:12] <lordievader> Do you know how to get to a tty?
[21:13] <cancer> alt+ctrl+f2
[21:13] <cancer> ?
[21:14] <cancer> lordievader: alt+ctrl+f2 ?
[21:14] <cancer> right
[21:14] <lordievader> Good ok.  Well once there, you need to type the following: export DISPLAY=:0 (this will tell the apps that use X to use that display)
[21:15] <lordievader> And then: xrandr --output <name of your output> --preferred
[21:15] <cancer> can we manke any batch file. i'll launch that to fix the issues
[21:15] <lordievader> Jup
[21:15] <cancer> cause i'll forget this all when i'm there
[21:16] <lordievader> make sure to start your file with: #!/bin/bash
[21:16] <cancer> i can't make sure.
[21:16] <lordievader> And also make it executable
[21:16] <cancer> tell me the location and how i'll run that file.
[21:16] <cancer> i know how to work in terminal at XP not in linux. can't work with directory commands.
[21:18] <lordievader> cancer: Could you give me the output of the xrandr command?
[21:20] <cancer> http://pastebin.com/ULWL9Xf4
[21:20] <cancer> lordievader: i found something in nvidia x server settings
[21:21] <lordievader> cancer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/991390/
[21:21] <lordievader> Save that as recover.sh in your home dir.
[21:22] <lordievader> cancer: And then in your terminal say: chmod a+x ./recover.sh
[21:23] <lordievader> But anyway should we continue tommorow, I kind of want to go to bed...
[21:24] <cancer> repost the link please.
[21:24] <lordievader> http://paste.ubuntu.com/991390/
[21:25] <cancer> not this link
[21:25] <cancer> the link from where i'll try forcing the size
[21:25] <lordievader> cancer: Oh search google for "xrandr resolution force" its on linuxjournal.
[21:25] <lordievader> I'm off to bed, talk to you later.
[21:26] <cancer> just wait a few moments i have to show something
[21:27] <cancer> lordievader | blueskaj: http://imagebin.org/212621 | http://imagebin.org/212622
[21:29] <cancer> ezim: http://imagebin.org/212621 | http://imagebin.org/212622
[21:31] <xcv_> hi, can somebody help me with vim? I would like to use perl-like regexes in the search (/)
[21:36] <IdleOne> xcv_: try #vim
[21:38] <xcv_> IdleOne: ok, thanks :)
[21:51] <proxinix> can someone tell me what the kubuntu women channel name is please?
[21:52] <ikonia> proxinix: there isn't one
[21:52] <proxinix> not any more or has the name changed?
[21:52] <Promethes> how to connect to cisco vpn in 12.04 using network manager? I filled vpn configuration but vpn connection is not connected. I tried kvpnc and it works without problems, but i want use network manager, anyone?
[21:53] <ikonia> proxinix: there is no kubuntu for women channel
[21:53] <Promethes> and where i can find logs for network manager (if something like that exists)
[22:10] <ox1de> hi! my cpu was glitched and i unplugged it and rebooted, now my display is dim.... how do i get it back to being brighter?
[22:11] <ox1de> [i'm on xubuntu]
[22:12] <RuediiX> Promethes  what VPN protocol is used?    You need to download the appropriate Network-Manager VPN plugin
[22:14] <RuediiX> oxlde  It sounds like your gamma is messed up, what X11 driver are you running.  (As a note, on Xubuntu you should go to #Xubuntu or #Ubuntu-en
[22:14] <ox1de> how do i know which x11 driver i'm running?
[22:16] <RuediiX> oxlde Well before that have you tried rebooting, and have you checked that there are no problems in xorg.0.log?
[22:16] <ox1de> i dont know which x0log i'm using
[22:16] <ox1de> i'll charge the battery and then reboot
[22:16] <ox1de> maybe that will work
[22:17] <RuediiX> oxlde Oh, it's a laptop, that's likely the issue.   I thought it was a desktop.  (That's important information, because  laptops have APIC control of their screen backlights.)   You probably should power down, charge to full, reboot.
[22:18] <ox1de> ok thankz
[22:18] <ox1de> i'll be back if that doesnt work
[23:27] <cancer> how to install inxi in kubuntu?
[23:27] <cancer> 'inxi'
[23:41] <RuediiX> cancer:  Instructions here: http://cathbard.com/cathbard-repo-howto.html
[23:41] <ox1de> Ok.. i rebooted and charged the battery and the screen is still dim
[23:41] <ox1de> what should id o?
[23:42] <RuediiX> oxlde OK, the issue is likely the ACPI auto-dimmed the screen.  Have you tried adjusting the backlight?
[23:42] <ox1de> how?
[23:42] <ox1de> how do i adjust the backlight?
[23:43] <RuediiX> oxlde I believe XFCE supports most hotkeys.
[23:43] <RuediiX> If not there should be an ACPI control program somewhere.
[23:43] <ox1de> can you guide me through it?
[23:44] <ox1de> how do i adjust the backlight?
[23:45] <RuediiX> Well if XFCE managed to autodetect your hotkeys they should work the same as in any other OS.
[23:46] <ox1de> um, thats going over my head
[23:46] <RuediiX> The brightness keys on your laptop.
[23:46] <RuediiX> You should be able to hit them.
[23:48] <ox1de> i'm not sure if i have brightness keys
[23:49] <RuediiX> OK, they are usually on the function keys and have the same "brightness" icons that would appear when adjusting the brightness on a monitor.
[23:50] <RuediiX> The second place you can adjust it is the power-save settings.  In the settings panel.
[23:53] <Jasper_> hi
[23:53] <RuediiX> Power-save mode probably triggered as the battery was dieing and it failed to reset the brightness when you plugged it back in.
[23:53] <Jasper_> someone can tall me the command list
[23:53] <RuediiX> Jasper For the command prompt?
[23:54] <Jasper_> RuediiX, I want the comand list like /j, /op or maybe /help to show the commands
[23:54] <Jasper_> today is my first access in this channel
[23:55] <RuediiX> oh this channel is the same as the rest of IRC.  Anyways, you can fetch it from the server, by pulling up the main server page, and typing /help
[23:56] <RuediiX> Jasper, generally unless you are an admin don't need that many commands.  If you chat regularly you might want to /msg nickserv help to find out about registering your nickname
[23:57] <Jasper_> thx Ruediix
[23:59] <RuediiX> oxlde, did that help, did you find that power save box?
[23:59] <cancer> almoxarife: ?