[01:57] RAOF, is this obsolete? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-rootless-x [02:02] Maybe? - it's still possible, and kinda desirable. [02:02] Let's say yes - it's something that we'll get for free post-system-compositor. === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth === bcurtiswx is now known as Guest43701 === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth [03:12] jbicha: there are no per-session gsettings overrides [03:12] jbicha: but dconf profiles [03:24] does anyone know if there is a particular reason why we're shipping the old gdm? [03:28] robert_ancell: the same reason Debian is :) [03:28] jbicha, which is having trouble making it work? [03:29] gdm is a major pita with its many patches [03:30] and Np237 got stuck half-way through updating gdm to use dconf instead of it's custom gsettings override mechanism [03:30] yeah, I'm wondering if we can just drop all the patches, update to the latest and assume the majority are using lightdm [03:30] robert_ancell: it doesn't work without some patches [03:30] jbicha, what are the patches for? [03:32] desrt: dconf profiles, interesting [03:32] do I need a specific version of gdm or dconf to make that work? Is there some documentation how to use that? [03:33] desrt: I remember Np237 working on dconf patches wrt gdm [03:44] desrt, which package do I file a bug against for application menus not working with the global menu? [03:50] robert_ancell: indicator-application is responsible for managing global applicatino menubar duties. [03:50] TheMuso, ta [03:50] np [05:26] good morning [05:46] Hey didrocks! [05:47] good morning RAOF [06:24] Good morning [06:24] Morning pitti! [06:24] chrisccoulson: urgh, that new behaviour would be due to compiling? funny [06:24] guten morgen pitti [06:25] hey RAOF, hey didrocks [06:25] slept much longer today; I guess some jetlag remainders plus that ubuflu [06:25] oh ubuflu? [06:26] yeah, some things ARE reliable :) [06:26] FLUvax! [06:27] Although I haven't got ubuflu in the past, either, so attributing the lack of ubuflu this time to my flu vaccination is clearly incorrect ☺ [06:33] .me waves to Europe folks. [06:34] I usually have a few early nights in the days after returning, and I'm usually back on track by the end of the week. [06:58] Morning. [08:21] hey [08:22] hey seb128 [08:22] hey seb128 [08:22] :) [08:22] three for three [08:22] hey pitti, wie gehts? [08:22] thumper, enough hey for you ;-) [08:23] seb128: quite okay, although I caught a bit of ubuflu :/ [08:23] :-( [08:25] salut seb128, ça va? [08:25] lut didrocks, ouais, et toi ? [08:25] seb128: ça va :) [08:36] RAOF, pitti: who can I bribe to do some SRUs review today? ;-) [08:36] RAOF desperately wants to, I can feel it from here! [08:36] not sure if everybody has tomorrow off and swap friday but I would like some of the updates in proposed for the w.e [08:37] hehe === bigon_ is now known as bigon [08:38] I have tomorrow off, didn't know you could swap national holidays :P [08:38] I have tomorrow off as well, but will work on Friday [08:39] have to help my sister with moving [08:40] I will be there friday as well [08:40] I think Didier is swapping friday? [08:40] suspicious how many people there are on steam playing diablo 3 atm O.o [08:40] well anyway seems like some people will be around ;-) [08:40] "there"? [08:41] steam loves to crash so im not signing out from it if it finally logs in :P [08:42] it's maybe a way to tell you it's time to work and not to play? ;-) [08:43] code's compiling [08:44] * pitti thinks mlankhorst indulged http://xkcd.com/303/ too much :) [08:47] seb128: yeah, I'm swapping friday [08:49] pitti, ;-) [08:52] seb128: I'm looking at the retracers now; apparently I used some Python 2.7-isms in recent trunk [08:54] pitti, ok [09:03] good morning everyone [09:07] hey chrisccoulson [09:08] hi pitti, how are you? [09:08] chrisccoulson: a bit ufuflu-ed, but otherwise okay; how about yourself? [09:09] pitti - yeah, pretty much the same :) [09:09] good morning chrisccoulson :) [09:09] hi didrocks [09:09] hey didrocks [09:10] hey thumper ;) [09:10] I hope it is warm where you are [09:10] snow on the hills here [09:10] hey chrisccoulson [09:10] yeah, the weather is a bit fresh for the time, but it's still acceptable :) [09:11] hey seb128 [09:30] pitti, can you move unity-greeter to -updates, I just marked the remaining non verified bug as verification-done (sorry for being pushy but it's the bug where the login hangs for some users and I would like to see it fixes in -updates) [09:30] seb128: great, thanks! doing [09:30] pitti, danke! [09:37] * RAOF can SRU review tomorrow [09:40] RAOF, hey, had a good trip back? [09:40] RAOF, SRU reviews would be welcome ;-) [09:40] seb128: Yeah, mostly. [09:40] seb128: I flushed that queue only yesterday! :P [09:40] RAOF, tomorrow is an holiday don't forget to not work :p [09:40] pitti, hi [09:40] seb128: Where is tomorrow a holiday? [09:41] hey tkamppeter [09:41] RAOF, http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/ says it's in australia as well [09:41] not .nz though, no luck for robert_ancell [09:41] pitti, can you upload cups-filters to Debian and Quantal, I have released 1.0.18. [09:42] tkamppeter: sure, doing now [09:42] RAOF, sorry, "where" -> almost everywhere but .nz it seems [09:42] RAOF, well from that webpage, which might be wrong ;-) [09:42] tkamppeter: bzr has 1.0.17, but that's already from April 20; did you forget to push or so? [09:43] seb128: Yeah, I don't know what the author of that webpage was smoking. “Ascention day”? Really? [09:43] it's a religious holiday, at least in most European countries [09:43] traditionally in Germany, you grab your friends and a box of beer, then go for a combined hike/pissup experience [09:44] lol [09:44] we usually reduced the beer and did a bike tour [09:44] pitti, correct version is committed now. [09:44] I'll remember those days when I'll break my back with moving my sister's furniture from one town to another [09:44] with some luck the weather will be nice tomorrow [09:44] it's sort of grey and windy today [09:44] tkamppeter: splendid [09:45] pitti, oh, right, you are helping your sister to move instead :-( [09:45] I can see how the biking is a better perspective! [09:46] * seb128 downgrade gtk version and rebuild and curse at gtk upstream [09:46] "let's rewrite GtkIconView between 3.4.2 and 3.4.3, who cares if it has regressions, it's a rewrite it clearly must be better" [09:47] cnd: ping? [09:47] seb128: .. they really did that? [09:47] mlankhorst, he's on U.S time, i.e probably sleeping [09:47] mlankhorst, yes [09:47] o.o [09:48] I particularly liked how they took the effort to break the accelerator ABI in GTK+ *2.0* recently. [09:48] tkamppeter: done [09:48] mlankhorst, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/3.4/gtk+-3.4.3.news [09:48] "* GtkIconView: [09:48] - The sizing and layout has been rewritten" [09:48] [09:48] sigh [09:48] awesome. not. [09:49] Not even a rationale for why it's needed? [09:49] I talked to mclasen about it yesterday, he said the old code was really buggy and hopefully the new one is better though he would not be surprised if there are some regressions [09:49] Obviously the old one was broken! [09:50] he mentioned gnome-document as being visibly impacted by the old code brokeness [09:50] known buggy >> unknown broken [09:50] indeed, I tried to argue with him on that but it seems we have different definition of "stable" [09:50] shrug, anyway for now I avoid .3, I backport the few commits it had out of this rewrite [09:50] still, abi change in gtk 2.0 is impressive.. [09:51] in fact I tried .3, it visibly changes the layout, like gnome-control-center gets scrollbars by default with it [09:51] yeah, not sure why they keep doing changes to gtk2 [09:52] they already did quite some screwing up when they added the new fileselector to it last year === Zdra is now known as xclaesse [11:21] cyphermox: are you doing connman too? [11:23] oh, a asac [11:23] asac, hey [11:23] asac, nobody is doing connman nowadays I think [11:31] seb128: noone packaging? who was last to upload :) [11:31] * asac hopes it wasnt him [11:31] asac, you? ;-) [11:31] asac, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/connman/+changelog [11:32] oh no :(( [11:32] asac, no real maintainer though, feel free to update it if you want the new version though [11:32] you should exerce your upload rights ;-) [11:32] i am looking for someone to delegate a review to :) [11:32] yeah i know [11:32] i will check with cyphermox if he can do a pre-review :) [11:33] you can probably bribe him into doing one ;-) [11:36] third kernel panic of the day :( [11:48] didrocks: I heard the new thinkpads look good :) [11:48] smspillaz: already ordered, waiting for it :) [11:49] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [11:49] I was going to order one ... can you order one now ? [11:49] I thought they haven't come out yet [11:52] I'm taking a x220, that's more than sufficient for my usage :) [11:52] ahh [11:52] * smspillaz was waiting for the x230 or wanted to see what the x1c's battery was like [12:46] tkamppeter: can you please have a look at debian bug 670055 ? [12:46] Debian bug 670055 in cups-filters "cups-filters: Printing a text file fails when Liberation is the only TrueType font available" [Critical,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/670055 === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:12] good morning [13:25] mlankhorst, pong [13:44] have there been any discussions about bringing spotify to Ubuntu repos? [13:45] bcurtiswx, it isn't open source is it? [13:46] yeah prob not (not sure though) [13:46] it could go into software center [13:47] true [13:47] bcurtiswx, reviewing empathy now [13:48] didrocks, hey, do you use deja-dup? do you backup a lot of your datas with it? [13:48] seb128: quite extensively yeah [13:48] seb128: never had to recover hopefully though :) [13:49] didrocks, is the io hit while it's backuping bad? i.e do you feel it on performances? [13:49] * mterry looks inquisitively at didrocks [13:49] just wondering, with my ssd I can't really tell, I figured you would have a better clue about that with your slow disk [13:49] you can't? [13:49] I find the effect even worse on my SSD [13:50] pitti, fascinating. You feel the system gets sluggish during a backup? [13:50] seb128: well, I really do feel it on my slow hd, yeah [13:50] pitti, I didn't notice any io slowness issue since I've my ssd no [13:50] seb128: so I have to do that on week-ends only [13:50] mterry: not particularly during backup (I still use my own rsnapshot based system), but during heavy IO such as rsyncing a CD image or copying a large file [13:51] didrocks, ok, thanks, that's what I was looking for, mterry is thinking about changing the frequency to daily and drop the combo ui [13:51] but on my hd, my laptop is totally unusable [13:51] didrocks, I was wondering if daily wouldn't be an issue on slow disk if that leads to system slownesses [13:52] mterry, so I guess performances on slow disks is something we might watch for [13:52] * mterry should partner with an SSD manufacturer and upsell them during a backup [13:52] lol [13:53] hehe === alf is now known as alf_ [14:01] kenvandine, find the cause of your bzr breakage? was it me? [14:02] bcurtiswx, didn't really check... i just wiped out my branch and did a fresh checkout [14:02] and all seemed fine === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:03] OK cool [14:04] seb128: asac: yes, I want to update connman in Debian, trying to do this today or tomorrow [14:05] asac: so yes I can review [14:05] cyphermox: cool [14:05] cyphermox, ok [14:05] cyphermox: let me send you the details [14:05] cyphermox, hey, how are you btw? ;-) [14:05] asac, we missed you at UDS btw ;-) [14:06] dpm: just sent you code for getting SSIDs from NM via pygi; I'll try to update the examples upstream to provide that and ship it in the package [14:06] seb128: hey, doing ok [14:06] seb128: :( [14:06] seb128: don't tell me [14:06] I woke up with a sore throat, but I'm hoping it's nothing [14:07] hey cyphermox [14:07] cyphermox: I caught some ubuflu as well; seems that's the one thing that keeps haunting us :( [14:07] can we please QA this away? [14:07] cyphermox, ooooh, wow, that's awesome, thanks a lot (commenting on the code you sent, not on the sore throat part ;) [14:08] pitti: no conclusive proof it's ubuflu yet, I'm not really sick. [14:08] (yet_ [14:08] cyphermox: crossing fingers! [14:08] indeed [14:16] we have 3 rickspencers now!? awesome. [14:16] rickspencer3: wb [14:16] hi pitti [14:17] asac: you were talking about connman in Debian, right? [14:21] rickspencer3, hey :) [14:21] hi bcurtiswx === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:30] 5th kernel panic of the day :( [14:31] didrocks: WTH? [14:32] pitti: still the same story than for the past 3 months. Seems to be way worse today though [14:32] didrocks: it's smelling that you ordered a new one! [14:32] didrocks: use nouveau [14:32] pitti: maybe, some kind of revenge ;) [14:32] didrocks: that will fix /everything/ [14:32] and will leak everything else [14:32] sorry dude, I try to test what people use :p [14:33] actually, I do know people using nouveau [14:33] * smspillaz puts up his hand [14:33] of course, you'll just have to deal with typing on a furnace [14:34] pitti, I have uploaded an SRU of cups-filters which is rather urgent and also marked all bugs fixed by it as such. Can you approve it into -updates before leaving for the long weekends. Thanks. [14:34] I got an external keyboard for that :P [14:34] tkamppeter: I'm at work on Friday [14:34] * rickspencer3 drums fingers waiting for *qt4* updates [14:34] tkamppeter: I'm trying to not do so many SRU stuff any more (I already spent an hour today), RAOF will do a round tomorrow [14:34] pitti, but if possible, try to do it today, so that people start testing tomorrow. [14:45] kenvandine, Is it possible to limit the minimum width and height of the empathy contact list ? [14:46] it's possible... [14:47] There's a weird thing happening with it. I'm not sure if it's our changes or empathy. There's a bug where the contact list width gets too small and the status changer disappears [14:47] there was a bug quite a few releases ago where this was fixed, upstream and here.. [14:48] Bug #538963 [14:48] Launchpad bug 538963 in empathy "reducing the width of contact list disappears combobox" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538963 [14:48] gnome bug 583317 [14:48] Gnome bug 583317 in Contact List "throbber/status message input widget disapper when contact list too narrow" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583317 [14:48] oh that is weird [14:48] its a regression, but IDK which end [14:53] bcurtiswx, it doesn't look like it could be from our patches [14:53] but feels a bit like a gtk bug [14:54] the selector should keep the window from getting that small [14:55] kenvandine, yeah thats my thought [14:56] kenvandine, cassidy can't reproduce the issue on his end [14:56] interesting [14:58] kenvandine, can you confirm this behavior on Quantal ? [14:59] i can on precise [15:00] yeah [15:00] confirmed [15:03] bug #999628 has a video included and i'm getting that confirmed [15:03] Launchpad bug 999628 in granite "Apps fail to preserve maximized state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999628 [15:03] sorry thats the dyslexic part of me [15:03] bug #999268 [15:03] Launchpad bug 999268 in empathy "Status changer gets lost on too small size" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999268 [15:10] kenvandine, thx for the merge [15:14] bcurtiswx, thank you! [15:22] oh that's what the bug is [15:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/889609 [15:25] Launchpad bug 889609 in empathy "Empathy toolbar is empty" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:25] bcurtiswx, kenvandine: ^^ bug i filed a long while ago about it :) [15:27] Sweetshark: ok to remove the transitional openoffice.org package now? [15:32] pitti: I wondered about that yesterday, but yeah -- we should do that ... [15:32] * Sweetshark in TDF BoD call. [15:44] dobey, thx ;) [15:57] chrisccoulson, hey [15:58] hi seb128, how are you? [16:01] chrisccoulson, hey, I'm good thanks, how are you? [16:02] seb128, yeah, good thanks [16:02] chrisccoulson, sorry I got sidetracked, I was pinged about: [16:03] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-desktop-n-firefox-pgo-builds [16:03] chrisccoulson, ^ is that on the q list on purpose? if it is could you or whoever is working on it move the current workitems to the workitems section [16:03] chrisccoulson, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-firefox-translations-in-launchpad ... for q as well? [16:04] oh, they don't really need to be for q. but i'll sort the work items out [16:05] chrisccoulson, well are they still revelant,do you want them tracked? [16:06] seb128, yeah, i guess they can still be tracked. but they're the sort of things to work on when i get spare time [16:07] chrisccoulson, ok, that's fine, they a "low" priority [16:07] chrisccoulson, I was mostly wondering if they were still relevant, seems they are === vuntz is now known as vuntz|afk [17:03] ok, time for dancing and evening :) will be off tomorrow and Friday. See you on Monday everyone! [17:11] anyone know if there's a fix for xchat + unity in which my desktop thinks that xchat isn't running so I can't alt+tab to it? I've only gotten around the problem by installing xchat-notification so that I can use the envelope icon in the systray. [17:11] Blah1: someone on dx is working on it ... give it some time, we just got back from UDs [17:11] UDs? [17:11] UDS [17:12] kenvandine, would a .ui file control GTK Window min width? [17:12] oh cool. glad to hear you're aware of it. [17:13] bcurtiswx, perhaps, but i don't think that is where the problem is [17:13] actually maybe it is [17:13] it sets a min_request [17:13] right, for the selector ? [17:14] i would think the window shouldn't be resizable smaller than the selector [17:14] which is why i think it might be a gtk bug [17:14] and, we aren't patching any of that code [17:14] so if cassidy can't reproduce it... maybe it is because his gtk isn't exposing that problem [17:15] maybe he is running gtk from git or something [17:15] kenvandine, yes i agree [17:16] well, idk about that [17:16] or maybe we have a patch to gtk that is breaking it :) [17:16] that could be [17:16] should I switch bug to GTK, i agree in that it's the root cause [17:17] bcurtiswx, i am going to test it on oneiric over lunch [17:17] bcurtiswx, i'll ping you in a bit [17:17] kenvandine, OK [17:18] * kenvandine -> lunch [17:48] kenvandine, bcurtiswx: what's interesting is that i think it also only breaks under unity [17:50] dobey, I'm testing without any patches shortly. We think it's GTK [17:50] bcurtiswx: it /could/ be a gtk module as well (overlay scrollbars?) or the global menu stuff [17:53] dobey, not our patches [18:39] bcurtiswx, i've figured it out [18:39] kenvandine, and the culprit it? [18:39] the menu's restrict the minimum width, so with appmenu those aren't in the window [18:39] is* [18:40] s/menu's/menus/ [18:40] * bcurtiswx wonders how many apps make the menu restrict the minimum width [18:42] i don't think it was intentional [18:47] well i'm not blaming the apps [18:52] * kenvandine has a patch [19:01] hmm [19:13] brb [19:34] what the heck is this: http://ubuntuone.com/6oD7q9VXAqBUnLzYfC4FRx [20:02] dobey, easter egg? [20:05] bad software at least [20:05] * dobey blames pitti [20:17] lol [20:17] it's a nice error page [20:17] * jalcine likes. === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [21:02] jbicha, are you working on syncing gnome-keyring? [21:02] it doesn't work since the gcr sync in quantal [21:02] kenvandine: I was planning to, tonight or tomorrow [21:03] jbicha, ok, then i won't bother :) [21:05] ok :) [21:08] jbicha, seahorse as well :-D [21:09] yup, it shouldn't be too bad, they were both in the GNOME3 PPA already [21:09] cool [21:09] hey robert_ancell [21:09] kenvandine, hello [21:10] jbicha, hey, hum breaking gnome-keyring is not cool [21:10] jbicha, I would have synced gcr if you told me that it was going to break the distro [21:10] wouldn't [21:11] jbicha, we try to avoid doing changes that are breaking things, better to get whatever needs to be updated ready before asking a sync... [21:11] robert_ancell, hey [21:11] seb128, hello [21:11] robert_ancell, you got email spammed today ;-) [21:11] * kenvandine goes to do something that doesn't involve a mouse and a keyboard... bbl! [21:12] seb128, hah! [21:12] seb128, btw you are doing the shotwell sru right? [21:12] what's the over/under that kenvandine is going to play wii with the kids? :P [21:12] robert_ancell, done already, check the unapproved queue before uploading anything please ;-) [21:12] wii is for after swim team practice :) [21:12] robert_ancell, I did most of the GNOME updates that had changes [21:13] heh [21:13] seb128, unapproved queue? [21:13] robert_ancell, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1 [21:13] seb128, you're doing precise - I'm not touching that. You have to bug me for backports :) [21:13] seb128: well we needed gcr before we could push gnome-keyring & seahorse; we could have synced all 3 I guess & apply the Ubuntu diff afterwards [21:16] jbicha, well your call, just don't break the distro for > 1 day, like either get gcr built locally and get gnome-keyring etc ready for upload before you ask for the sync or request sync for the lot [21:17] jbicha, there is little interest to break g-k for everyone when you could as well locally build it and get ready to upload in batch [21:17] robert_ancell, btw pull gtk vcs if you work on it, I broke it for you (merged on Debian) [21:17] sure, I'll fix it in the next hour or so [21:17] robert_ancell, they dropped the static built and simplified a bit the build and .install [21:17] seb128, oh, can you compile it? I had the same issue as in precise where I get logged out at the end of the compile process [21:17] jbicha, thanks, the "or tomorrow" was made me comment [21:18] robert_ancell, compile works fine here [21:18] robert_ancell, I guess your box doesn't like the testsuit, pitti had similar issues, I wish somebody having the issue would track that down [21:18] seb128, but you didn't upload? Is there a problem? [21:18] yeah, "tomorrow"'s not a good idea [21:18] robert_ancell, comment the make check call I guess [21:18] robert_ancell, 3 issues [21:19] 1- I'm still on precise so I don't have the new glib to build 3.5, I built 3.4.2 with my changes [21:19] 2- I hit an issue where build-arch target is not called, so the .install.in -> .install is not done, which might be fixed in new debhelper,cdbs [21:19] * debian/patches/100_overlay_scrollbar_loading.patch: [21:19] -dropped, the new scollbar code doesn't require that hack \o/ [21:19] (I called the target manually to finish the build) [21:20] 3- I didn't know if you did hold off the upload for a reason [21:20] robert_ancell, indeed ;-) [21:20] ok, that sounds do-able then :) [21:20] building now, I may disappear in 30 mins though [21:20] robert_ancell, comment the check line in the rules for your builds [21:21] it's make check which creates the issue [21:21] yeah [21:21] seb128, can we update g-d-u now? [21:21] gnome-disk-utility? [21:22] that requires udisk2 no? pitti had it ready in the ppa for precise, I guess it's just a matter to get that in [21:22] we need udisks2 to be uploaded first [21:23] and e-d-s? [21:23] actually, the main question is "can we drop all the tracking stable packages in versions?" [21:24] (gnome-session, gnome-keyring, seahorse, e-d-s, evolution) [21:26] seb128, Can you remember the 1s delay in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-login-speed-improvements? Is that just the ecryptfs delay? (I don't know of any ongoing 1s delay problem) [21:27] robert_ancell, yes you can drop the stable tracking [21:27] robert_ancell, no, it's http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/acer-veriton-01/2012-04-25_16-13-23/bootchart.png [21:28] the qa lab charts, I doubt they use encryption [21:28] seb128, is that autologin? [21:28] I guess so [21:29] I don't know much about the qa setupe [21:29] some big io blocking thing [21:29] wpa_supplicant is busy at the same time [21:29] dunno if that's related [21:29] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/acer-veriton-02/2012-04-25_16-13-23/bootchart.png is the one we looked I think [21:29] it has a 1 second wait without io [21:29] not sure but I guess they are autologin without encryption [21:30] wouldn't make sense to autobootchart a config that requires password [21:31] yeah [21:33] what was e-d-s blocked on? (I'm opening bugs on the versions page so we know what we're blocked by" [21:33] robert_ancell, you can unblock everything [21:34] robert_ancell, it was blocked on "evo wants to transition to gsettings and webkit in one cycle and we know how buggy evo transition tends to be" [21:34] ok [21:34]