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malkauns_why do flash video's on 12.04 sometimes play fast?00:18
wgrantstgraber: Well done.[6~00:31
stgraberthanks wgrant :)00:32
wgrantAw00:33
highvoltagehttp://jonathancarter.org/2012/05/16/launchpad-net-bug-1-000-000/ ;)00:33
wgrantsinzui closed it.00:33
ajmitchhow mean00:33
highvoltageyes!00:34
highvoltage(unless he fixed it)00:34
ajmitchbut good timing at getting that bug, stgraber ;)00:34
TheMusoAwesome work, that woudl have had to be very tight timing to get that number.00:39
lifelessthey used a conspiracy00:46
lifelessmyself, I'd have used an API script.00:46
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highvoltagelifeless: yeah that would be clever. why didn't we think of that!? ;)00:49
stgraber;)00:49
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micahgScottK: any reason why a boost-mpi-source upload never happened with the boost1.49 upload?03:34
micahgScottK: ah, I see, it's all in boost-defaults now...meh, this needs more digging03:36
micahgScottK: no, I think my question is still valid :)03:38
ScottKmicahg: Because I couldn't get it to build at the time and then I forgot about it.04:15
micahgScottK: ok, I was just looking at the boost transition list, libboost-all-dev is uninstallable due to a missing boost parallel package04:16
superm1siretart: curious, what's the fix you ended up coming up with for the FTBFS you talked about in http://goo.gl/KDK9o ?  mythtv is hitting the same thing in precise after it's most recent ffmpeg resync: http://goo.gl/v7dc604:21
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kInOzAwAlol ScottK  from webchat?05:06
siretartsuperm1: well, that irclog explains it at about 20:0005:30
siretartsuperm1: btw, is there someone investing some efford to avoid the internal ffmpeg copy in the mythtv package?05:32
ScottKmicahg: I'll try to pick up work on it, but it'll be a few days.05:59
micahgScottK: sure, no rush :), plenty to do06:00
pittiGood morning06:23
pittibdmurray: more precisely, line numbers will appear in frames which would otherwise just be <module>, i. e. not in any function or method06:24
pittibdmurray: this mostly happens for ImportErrors, but can also happen in global initialization code06:24
pittislangasek: I heard some rumours that we'll switch from ConsoleKit to logind; wouldn't that solve foundations-q-xdg-runtime-dir along?06:28
TheMusoI heard same rumours.06:44
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xnoxstgraber: congrats on bug 1kk!07:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107:21
xnoxbug 100000007:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1000000 in Edubuntu "For every bug on Launchpad, 67 iPads are sold" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000007:49
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pittiogasawara, apw: FYI, binNEWed -2.508:43
apwpitti, thanks08:44
pittiapw: remember the other day when we talked about the kernel team uploading copying kernels themselves?08:45
pittierr, s/uploading copying/copyring proposed/08:45
pittityping is hard! I should replace my ubuflu with a tea perhaps08:46
pittiapw: there is an opportunity to try now, if you want to08:46
apwpitti, didn't we decide you would have to handle the component missmatches anyhow?  though of course i will try it to check it works :)08:52
pittiapw: yes, archive admins still need to accept the uploads from unapproved and also fix the overrides08:53
pittibut it's one step08:53
* apw will have a look now08:53
pittiit doesn't help much still, but I'm mostly curious whether you need ~u-archive power to run that script or upload privs for that package08:53
pittiapw: i. e. I mostly want to figure out this ^, it won't help much to reduce teh SRU workload08:54
pittiphone, bbl08:54
pittiapw: so, if you could do bzr checkout lp:ubuntu-archive-tools ?08:56
apwpitti, np doing now08:59
apwpitti, ok have that08:59
pittiapw: can you please run copy-proposed-kernel.py natty linux-ti-omap409:00
apwpitti, i read the output as positive in general09:01
apwpitti, chinstrap:~apw/typescript for the transcript09:02
apwpitti, appears to be at the unapproved queue indicated in the output09:03
pittiah, so that worked? nice09:03
apwpitti, i think so from what i can see, indeed09:04
pittiapw: yes, archive admins still need to accept the uploads from unapproved and also fix the overrides09:04
pittiWTF?09:04
pittithat's not at all what I typed09:04
pittiapw: there it is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue?queue_state=109:04
pittiah, clicking middle button to paste the URL somehow seems to have triggered some cursor up event or so09:05
apwnice :/09:05
apwpitti, so does it make sense to get our people to do this phase of the push09:05
dupondjecould somebody look @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/remmina/+bug/937522 please? Would like to get it closed :)09:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 937522 in remmina (Ubuntu) "rdp clipboard sync doesn't work anymore." [Undecided,Confirmed]09:05
pittiapw: can you also try the -updates/-security moving?09:05
pittiapw: sru-release -s natty linux-ti-omap409:05
apwpitti, now ?09:06
pittiapw: as I said, I was mostly curious about permissions here; if you want, you or even the bot are welcome to run that09:06
pittiapw: er, sorry09:06
pittiapw: sru-release -s oneiric linux-ti-omap409:06
pittibug 985999 is ready for releasing09:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 985999 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "linux-ti-omap4: 3.0.0-1209.21 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98599909:06
pittiapw: it would just fail with natty, as there is no -proposed ti-omap anyway09:07
apwpitti, looks to have worked: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=109:07
pittigreat09:08
pittiso the copying actually uses upload privs, not ~ubuntu-archive; that's only required for actually accepting the copies09:08
pittiapw: thanks for trying09:08
apwpitti, no problem.  i quite like at least us copying into -proposed as that indicated someone with upload privs asked for it09:08
pittiapw: so in theory you could do bug 990103 as well09:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 990103 in Kernel SRU Workflow "linux: 2.6.32-41.89 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99010309:10
pittiapw: actually, that one is more interesting; perhaps that's something the bot could do for us09:10
pittiapw: it takes some time for me to figure out the set of packages (including lbm, the various metas for the different releases, etc.) and whether or not to copy to security as well09:11
pittiand determining the set of packages seems automatable09:11
pitti(if that is an actual word, anyway)09:11
apwpitti, yeah for sure the bot knows which are in the package set for that release, as it asks us to make lbm etc when appropriate09:12
pittiapw: so in this case it's just "linux", but with API breaks it's more09:12
apwpitti, so you'd like it to simply copy them when its ready and let the approved queue be your 'queue'09:12
pittiports-meta for lucid, linux-ubuntu-modules for hardy, etc.09:12
pittiapw: yes, that'd be nice09:12
pittiapw: the copying is fast, and by itself does not change anything09:13
pittithey can easily be rejected, re-done, etc.09:13
apwpitti, i can get brad to think about that no problem.  that sounds appropriate then i think09:13
pittiapw: in some time we'll have a launchpadlib API to do queue accepting, and will hopefully have bug 993120 fixed09:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 993120 in Launchpad itself "Copy from PPA with binaries evades NEW and puts new packages into universe" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99312009:14
pittithen the bot could do the whole process for copying into -proposed and fixing the overrides09:14
pitti-> less monkey button pressing from our side, and faster turnaround09:14
pitti-> more time for beer!09:15
apwpitti, yeah, and presumably more AAs would be comfortable doing kernels as it would be easier09:15
pittiyes, cocoplum access is a severe limitation09:15
apwpitti, ok will get brad to think about the right way to get that doing the right thing.  it should at least generate the commands and put them in the bug :)09:16
pittiapw: it could just use them; the gut of copy-proposed-kernel is essentially one copyPackage() launchpadlib call09:16
pittiapw: the rest is setup which the bot presumably already has anyway09:16
pittiubuntu.getArchive(name='primary').copyPackage(from_archive=kernel_ppa,09:17
pitti        include_binaries=True, source_name=pkg, to_series=release,09:17
pitti        to_pocket='proposed', version=version)09:17
apwpitti, yeah i am sure it could do it assuming its joined to LP with creds of someone with upload rights, but we may want to make it happen with deliberate action from an uploader so we have accountability09:17
pittiapw: wouldn't you still have accountability from the person who flipped the "copy to proposed" task to confirmed? that's in the activity log09:18
* apw wonders who will get named on the email when the copy completes now09:18
pittiand even if that gets done accidentally, we can just reject the queue copies09:19
pittithe accepts for -updates/-security should always be manual I think09:19
pittibut -proposed cries for automating09:19
apwpitti, yeah we'd know who for sure, but likely anyone in the world can flick that so we might not want it to happen without thought, but thats a separate issue09:20
pittiah, true that09:20
apwpitti, yeah for sure ... anything we can do to make it easier.  i would cirtainy agree that whatever happens it should be telling the poor sucker who does it exactly what characters to type so you don't have to work out the package sets etc.  thats just makework09:20
pittiapw: right, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html (at the bottom) gives us copy-paste commands for -proposed09:21
apwpitti, and the logical first step is that, getting it to dump the two commands you showed me stylee with the appropriate packages into the bug and getting the stable people to run them09:21
pittibut not for -updates/-security, it's not clever enough for that; but the kernel bug bot is09:21
pittiapw: I agree09:22
apwyeah, and we definatly can do that, and most likely can make one of those pages with all the pending ones in one place too09:22
apwbrad loves scripting web pages :)09:22
pittidear LP; please stop timing out when I try to set that task to "fix released" the tenth time09:23
apwpitti, the most annoying feature09:24
pittiapw: oh, look! -changes@ now has your name for the kernels, not mine09:27
pittiso far it seemed that I was responsible for doing all these uploads :)09:28
pittiapw: presumably I can remove the linux-backports-modules-3.2.0 source and binaries?09:32
pittiapw: (from quantal)09:32
xnoxis there a consensus on replacing Vcs-* fields with XS-Debian-Vcs-* ?09:35
apwpitti, yes lbm makes no sense for the old version09:38
cjwatsonapw,pitti: you could even check whether it's an uploader who set things to Confirmed and then use archive.copyPackage(sponsored=that_uploader)09:48
cjwatsonwhich is a reasonable on-behalf-of kind of interface09:48
apwyeah that makes sense09:48
cjwatson(or whatever way you want to trigger that)09:49
pitticjwatson: for sorting out http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg and generally reducing the packages in main I'd need to make some adjustments to the DVD seed09:54
pitticjwatson: but I wondered, given that we'll drop the DVD/USB image anyway and just have one image, should I perhaps remove it altogether?09:54
seb128what is setting the /tmp permissions? bug #999526 is an user who has tmp permissions which are wrongly set (and they keep being wrongly set at every reboot), not sure where to direct him09:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 999526 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Cannot login from lightdm, /tmp is not writable" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99952609:54
pitticjwatson: AFAIK we are only using the "usb" seed now, and "dvd" is dead already09:54
cjwatsonpitti: I think so, but just hard-dropping it would probably cause stuff to fall out of main that shouldn't09:58
cjwatson(at a guess; haven't looked much)09:58
pitticjwatson: we'll see in c-m and could then re-seed some bits that seem important09:59
pittiI don't think it makes much sense to file some 20 MIRs for texlive packages which we don't really actively maintain anyway10:00
pitticjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/990399/ -> DVD removal (keeping the "usb" one for now)10:02
cjwatsonThe texlive-* stuff isn't in build-dep chains anyway?10:03
pittisome binaries are10:03
pittibut e. g. not texlive-fonts-extra10:03
pittitexlive-lang-{german,cyrillic} have one reverse build dep each10:03
cjwatsonlooks fine as far as it goes, but I think it would be worth an A/B germinate run first10:03
pittiand texlive-extra has a few10:03
pitticjwatson: okay, I'll do that10:06
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hrwhmm. I do not like dpkg-cross more and more12:08
jdstrandSpamapS: I'll take a look12:09
HFSPLUSKaty perry baby, i know your hurting right now after that prick russel brand broke your heart, now all i ask is to give me a chance to prove that i love you. Honey i am nothing like russel brand, and i love you and i will never break your heart katy12:20
HFSPLUS!ops12:25
HFSPLUSKaty perry baby, i know your hurting right now after that prick russel brand broke your heart, now all i ask is to give me a chance to prove that i love you. Honey i am nothing like russel brand, and i love you and i will never break your heart katy12:25
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melodiehi,13:10
melodieI have seen at this page : http://www.ubuntu.com/community/report-problem that it is not so obvious for me to find where I should put a wish. I use "mozilla-sunbird" currently and I would like to ask for it to be packaged and made available in Ubuntu. https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/sunbird/releases/1.0b1/ this version, and the locales for it too. It is not available at Debian either for now, only the plugin for opensync is t13:13
melodiehere :13:13
melodiehttp://packages.debian.org/sid/opensync-plugin-sunbird13:13
melodiemy question is where should I go to bring it as a wish ?13:13
gesermelodie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages, 2nd paragraph of "Requesting a new package for Ubuntu"13:15
cjwatsonyou can file wishlist bugs on just Ubuntu (without a package) with the needs-packaging tag to ask for new packages; however, note that sunbird used to be in Ubuntu and was removed13:16
cjwatsonbug 57113413:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 571134 in stumbleupon (Ubuntu) "Please remove source and binaries from archive" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57113413:16
cjwatsonand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel13:16
melodiegeser, cjwatson I look at your links13:17
cjwatsonso making it actually work with new thunderbird versions would be a fairly important piece, and ensuring that it has good maintenance going forward - Mozilla extensions aren't something that can be just dropped into the archive and largely forgotten about, AIUI13:17
cjwatson(note I don't actually know anything about sunbird directly)13:17
pitticjwatson: got back to this now; so I have germinate output for "with-dvd" and "without-dvd", but diffing the dirs is rather useless as I get tons of random diffs like http://paste.ubuntu.com/990622/13:18
melodiecjwatson, I don't use thunderbird. I use sunbird as standalone application. I cannot switch to Ubuntu without my usual tools. :/13:18
pitticjwatson: do you have a tool to better compare those, or should I post-process the files to only show the package names?13:19
melodieI have had my appointments and todo notes in it for years13:19
elkymelodie, as i understand it, sunbird can be run standalone as a portable app13:19
elkyhttp://portableapps.com/apps/office/sunbird_portable13:19
melodieelky, a portable app ? and why not have the standalone version in the distribution ? In another distribution I use it works fine13:20
cjwatsonmelodie: I don't know anything more about this, so no good explaining to me why you need it :)13:20
cjwatsonpitti: I usually run it through cut -d' ' -f1 or similar13:20
melodiecjwatson, ok thank you13:20
pitticjwatson: ok13:21
cjwatsonpitti: actually, tail -n +3 | head -n -2 | cut -d' ' -f113:21
cjwatsonone of these days I should do a more machine-readable output mode13:21
melodieelky, portable sunbird is for windows. I don't use windows. brrr !13:22
melodie:)13:22
elkymelodie, i believe they work fine on wine. they did the last time I played with them13:23
elkywhere they = portable apps13:23
pitticjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/diff/ are the nonempty diffs between the germinate outputs with (-) and without (+) the dvd seeds13:25
pitticjwatson: I guess all.sources.diff is the interesting one?13:25
melodieelky, I might have found a better turn around. at debian-mentors someone just told me in Debian (sid and other versions) there is "iceowl" which does that. http://packages.debian.org/sid/iceowl so I will go to package request as for it...13:25
melodieelky, wine is something I prefer not to use. I have tried a few times and it was disapointing with "one time it works, the other it claims a dll is missing.. " and such.13:26
elkymelodie, well when you make the wishlist bug like cjwatson suggested, you can mention that :)13:27
elkymention iceowl, I mean.13:27
cjwatsonpitti: yep, or http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/diff/all+extra.diff if you want a list by binaries13:27
cjwatsonelky,melodie: iceowl is explicitly sync-blacklisted in Ubuntu - we prefer the Mozilla names13:27
melodieelky, I'll have to try it to see if I can use it with my db13:27
pitticjwatson: so we'll certainly want to seed the nvidia/fglrx drivers and a few -doc packages, but can happily drop some of the libs13:27
cjwatsonpitti: IIRC bittornado is used in the DC to operate torrent.ubuntu.com13:28
melodiecjwatson, then what wish could I post ?13:28
pittiand keep diveintopython and virt-manager/virtinst, too13:28
pittiand xchat-gnome13:29
pitticjwatson: so I'll add those to the "supported" seeds in exchange13:29
elkycjwatson, i wasn't suggesting it be syncd, rather as a datapoint13:29
pitticjwatson: or supported-desktop-extra for xchat-gnome and similar desktopish packages13:29
cjwatsonpitti: right, I'd just come to similar conclusions on the list to keep13:30
elkybut it's past pumpkin o clock so I'm going to head off. good luck melodie13:30
cjwatsonmelodie: the wishlist should be for sunbird (though I'd be surprised if there isn't one filed already; I'm not sure), not for a straight copy of iceowl13:30
pitticjwatson: I'd add stuff like autoconf-doc to the platform seed "supported-development-common" instead to desktop; sounds ok?13:31
pittiit already has autoconf, autotools-dev and the like13:31
cjwatsonpitti: yep13:31
cjwatsonit's only needed that way when the documentation is in a separate source package13:31
melodiecjwatson, I am looking at the pages you pointed me to, then I will seek the page for wish lists at Ubuntu and ask for a standalone sunbird package. I still have to find where they put the locales13:32
geserwould it be possible/allowed that the nvidia source package also build library packages like the Debian package?13:33
pitticjwatson: all, committed; thanks for your help!13:42
pittis/,//13:42
geserpitti, cjwatson: do you know if it's allowed that a source package from restricted builds lib-packages in multiverse/restricted (not sure which component would be the correct one for them)?13:50
pittigeser: I dont see why not13:50
geserI wasn't sure if there are any restrictions for source packages in restricted what they can build13:52
cjwatsongeser: yes, that's permitted; the rule is basically that source packages must be at least as far out as their binaries13:52
cjwatsonwhere  main < restricted < multiverse  and  main < universe < multiverse13:53
cjwatsonwell, though a source package in main building binaries in restricted/multiverse would be kind of odd, although I think we might have had a reason for that once ...13:53
cjwatsonsome kind of dependency closure problem I guess13:53
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gesertseliot: Hi, would it be possible to build the same set of library packages from nvidia-graphics-drivers like in Debian? There are some package in multiverse depwaiting on them, so we either build those library packages too or remove those source packages as it's impossible to build them in Ubuntu13:58
tseliotgeser: what library packages?13:58
gesertseliot: libcuda1, libopencl1 (provided by nvidia-libopencl1 in Debian).14:01
cjwatsonThere's also a new nvidia-support source package showing up for auto-sync, which I've been holding off on ...14:02
gesernvidia-cuda-toolkit depwaits on libcuda1 and viennacl depwaits on libopencl1, not sure if there are more needed, didn't check in detail yet14:02
tseliotgeser: I think there were a few problems with the packaging of nvidia-cuda-toolkit anyway. I'll have another look at it though14:03
tseliotcjwatson: I'm wondering what nvidia-support is and whether we really need it14:03
cjwatsonDunno, I haven't looked.  The autosyncer just shows me everything, I try not to care too deeply about it all :)14:03
cjwatsonBut it's often better to sync up to avoid later dependency trouble14:04
cjwatson(in general)14:04
HFSPLUSKaty perry baby, i know your hurting right now after that prick russel brand broke your heart, now all i ask is to give me a chance to prove that i love you. Honey i am nothing like russel brand, and i love you and i will never break your heart katy14:04
pitti!ops14:04
xnoxcjwatson: are you triggering sync from debian manually, or are they done continiously?14:04
ubottuHelp! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!14:04
pittiwell, emergency is a bit much14:05
pittithanks cjwatson14:05
mlankhorstthank you14:05
pittibut this guy keeps saying that14:05
pittiargh, now he's privmsging14:05
mlankhorstget a network admin and get him glined from freenode..14:05
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cjwatsonprobably a case for freenode staff, yeah14:05
mlankhorstfor harassment14:05
pittinice, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg looks a little less crazy now14:06
cjwatsonxnox: I plan to get at least some of it fully automated this cycle by way of a bot account; for now it's a script I run daily14:06
xnoxcjwatson: ok. thanks.14:06
tseliotcjwatson: I'll have a look at that package too then, just in case..14:07
cjwatsonlast cycle we got it from a script that ran daily and routinely broke part-way through and had to be re-run from the start, to a script that runs straight through and has rather more sensible feedback14:07
cjwatsonso still improvement :)14:07
melodiecjwatson, I will have to give up, mozilla has announced it as being the last release : https://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird . I feel so sorry, such a good program ! :-(14:09
cjwatsonmelodie: well, at least xul-ext-lightning is in the archive (although I know you said you don't use thunderbird)14:10
cjwatsonbut perhaps better than nothing14:11
melodie/o\14:11
xnoxmelodie: i use xul-ext-lightning.... seems ok.14:11
melodiexnox, with thunderbird : right ?14:11
melodieit's not standalone ?14:12
xnoxyes.14:12
xnoxbut you do not need any email accounts in thunderbird, if you just want calendars.14:12
melodieI think it is very sad. I love standalone apps particularly when it leaves choice and freedom to use any other component.14:12
melodiexnox, no you just need  the megabytes just for calendar, which sunbird does so well.14:13
melodieI find it incredible that no one has been interested to continue it14:13
cjwatsonbroder,Laney: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/revision/43014:14
mneptokmelodie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_sunbird14:20
mneptokmelodie: especially this pertinent bit: "Development of Sunbird was ended with release 1.0 beta 1 to focus on development of Mozilla Lightning."14:21
mneptokmelodie: IOW, Sunbird is abandonware. at least by Mozilla.14:21
melodieit is still free software14:21
melodieand a good one14:22
melodiemneptok, do you know a program having for name "animal" ?14:22
tseliotcjwatson: as I thought, we don't need nvidia-support, however there's a file I can definitely reuse for a work item I was assigned. Thanks!14:22
mneptokmelodie: no. and really, that's a bit outside the scope of development of Ubuntu. probably better asked in another channel.14:23
melodiemneptok, I don't talk of "animal" by hazard : it is a very very old console game, which is in Ubuntu. In fact I think Ubuntu might be the only place where I can still find it.14:23
melodiereally fun !14:23
melodieI am filling a bug to ask a package for the last sunbird available. :)14:24
mneptokmelodie: this channel is for development issues only. please stay on topic so that busy devs can maximize mental bandwidth.14:25
melodiemneptok, ok, thanks for your answers.14:25
* mneptok bows14:25
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slangasekpitti: well, foundations-q-xdg-runtime-dir was to discuss if we had requirements that differ from those in the Fedora implementation; and switching to logind is certainly just a rumor, jodh will be investigating whether logind is a suitable solution as-is or how many changes it needs to integrate with upstart14:36
pittislangasek: ah, thanks14:39
SweetsharkWho takes care about the mysql C++ connectors? Will we have a 1.0.6 or higher api of that in quantal (for whatever that means?)14:43
micahgSweetshark: we already have 1.1.014:50
micahg(and have since oneiric)14:51
Sweetsharkmicahg: interesting, my configure script says different (on precise still)14:51
micahgSweetshark: and since you have the only reverse dependency, that's you who cares about it I guess :)14:52
melodiebye14:53
micahglooks properly reflected in the soname as well14:54
pittimicahg: you TIL gimp; do you plan to merge it, or want to leave that to desktop team?15:21
SpamapSjdstrand: also I think apparmor FTBFS on quantal right now15:36
jdstrandyeah, need to look into that15:40
argescongratulations! https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/100000 : )15:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 100000 in Launchpad itself "There are still too many bug reports" [Undecided,Invalid]15:40
mvocjwatson: are you ok with me uploading https://code.launchpad.net/~glatzor/software-properties/python3/+merge/105755 ? its a 2to3 based approach to port software-properties but it would unblock a aptdaemon py3 build15:42
micahgpitti: orly?  yeah, I can do it, was waiting for gegl which I thought was in NEW15:42
micahgpitti: unless the desktop team wants to do it or it needs to be done before the weekend that is15:43
cjwatsonmvo: For now, yes, though I'd rather revert that and avoid relying on 2to3 long-term15:43
cjwatson(once we're unblocked)15:43
mvocjwatson: agreed15:44
seb128cjwatson, hey, with the one image discussion is there any plan to drop alternates,udeb over time?15:56
cjwatsonseb128: alternates yes, udebs not currently; netboot installation is still valuable to many of our users15:57
seb128cjwatson, ok, does netboot use gtk (I get I will not get away with that but looking if,how I could drop multibuilds from gtk)15:58
cjwatsonseb128: we do currently build a netboot GTK image, though there is also a text one15:58
cjwatsonseb128: most of that's synced from Debian on the GTK side AFAIK though15:58
seb128cjwatson, I'm trying to get gtk build time down, the multiple build is costing a lot on buildd time and local build time for those who want to work on gtk15:58
cjwatsonDoes it actually require multiple passes?  Different configure flags / dependencies / something?15:59
seb128cjwatson, different configure flags yes15:59
cjwatsonPerhaps it might be more economic to figure out how to do it in a single pass16:00
seb128cjwatson, in fact the udeb build is mostly disabling x11 options, I wonder if that's still needed16:00
seb128--disable-xcomposite \16:00
seb128--disable-xdamage \16:00
seb128--disable-xfixes \16:00
seb128--disable-xrandr16:00
cjwatsonIt might just be a matter of building udebs for xcomposite/xdamage/xfixes/xrandr16:00
seb128ok, thanks16:00
cjwatsonWhich ought to be fairly trivial given current X packaging16:00
seb128I will try to check with mbiebl what he thinks16:01
cjwatsonNot sure whether introspection would require anything extra16:01
seb128that's the other one yes, though those don't impact the lib so I'm not sure the flag is needed16:01
seb128like those are extra files but we could just not install them in the udeb16:01
cjwatsonYeah, I wondered about that16:01
seb128cjwatson, thanks, I will check on the Debian side if we could get udeb for the x libs and merge shared and udeb in one build for gtk16:02
cjwatsonlibxfixes already has a udeb; the others don't16:02
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seb128is anyone here having an opinion on static builds? Debian dropped the GTK static build recently (which is great, I was just thinking about going forward and do that for Ubuntu) and I was wondering if that's the sort of change that should be discussed on -devel or announced16:13
seb128or if we can consider it's fine and we will get bug reports anyway if some users still rely on it16:14
infinityseb128: In theory, static builds are a convenience to our users who want to link their own binaries statically for some reason or other.  In practice, most people who do static linking of complex stacks seem to build their own in-house anyway, so they have tighter control over versions.16:33
infinityseb128: Still, seems odd that Debian's dropped it...16:34
seb128infinity, ok, in practice also the cost in build time,dev time - benefit is not good also16:34
seb128infinity, why?16:34
infinityseb128: Well, cause we've traditionally provided static copies of most libraries, that's all.  Is there sometihng that makes GTK special in this regard?16:35
seb128infinity, the new generation of maintainers are less conservative about keeping stuff that almost nobody use and that cost us work it seems, which is good ;-)16:35
seb128infinity, out of the gtk maintainers who have enough to spend time waiting for gtk to build and fixing the static build because upstream doesn't care about it, not really16:36
seb128infinity, it just seems it costs over what it brings back16:36
infinityseb128: I have no real opinion either way.  As you say, you'll get bug reports if users care.16:37
infinityseb128: But, if it turns out they do, I'd push to turn it back in in Debian, rather than carrying the burden entirely in Ubuntu.16:37
seb128infinity, right16:38
seb128well I take that as a "let's try it in q"16:38
infinityseb128: *nod*16:38
seb128I guess Debian will hit unhappy users before us in any case if that happens16:38
infinityseb128: "Upstream doesn't care about the static build" sounds like a pretty valid argument.16:38
seb128I'm not even sure you can correctly use static built gtk nowadays with the dynamic image loaders and im methods16:39
seb128infinity, thanks, you convinced me it was ok to drop it ;-)16:39
infinityseb128: Hey, don't pin this on me. ;)16:40
seb128infinity, too late for that ;-)16:40
seb128the changelog already has your name16:40
infinity...16:40
seb128;-)16:41
infinityI knew there was a reason I didn't trust the French.16:41
lamontinfinity: isn't canadian like french?16:45
infinitylamont: Only when I'm eating poutine.16:46
lamontheh16:46
Sweetsharklamont, infinity: were do you guys live by the way? I need a rather exact location ....16:52
* infinity raises his eyebrow.16:52
SweetsharkI have this work item to get more fs-space on the libreoffice-ppa build, and having an exact location makes threading you with ICBM-strikes more believable!16:53
infinitySweetshark: For the build itself, or the PPA?16:54
Sweetsharkthe filesystem on which we are building16:54
infinitySweetshark: If the build is eating the disk on the virtual builders, there's not a lot we can do about that, short of upgrading all the virtual builders physically.16:54
infinitySweet mother of... 28G to build libreoffice?16:56
infinityThat's insane.16:56
Sweetsharkinfinity: right -- I know its quite a bit of work, but thats what we need. Who do I escalate that too?16:56
Sweetsharkinfinity: well, we could get rid of l10n or the stacktraces or running the tests to make it a bit smaller.16:57
infinitySweetshark: RT ticket.  It means upgrading all the enablement/ppa shared hadrware, which could be a bit of an uphill battle.  If the only people uploading to that PPA are Canonical employees (and if you don't upload frequently), the path of least resistance might be making it devirt, so it builds on the distro buildds.16:57
Sweetsharkinfinity: our you get me the ressources to make libreoffice understand gettext directly ...16:57
cjwatsonDevirt does mean there's contention between you and release-team and the like around release times, though.16:59
infinity^16:59
cjwatsonOr even if there's a lot of other distro upload activity.16:59
cjwatsonIs 28G really particularly difficult in terms of FS space?  I'd have thought it'd be more a matter of raising a threshold somewhere.17:00
Sweetsharkinfinity: that was another option I was considering: building in proposed and copying over to the ppa -- that doesnt work on backports though.17:00
infinityIf he goes devirt, but x86-only, it probably ends up better as far as resource contention.17:00
infinitycjwatson: Most of the PPA buildds have 72G disks, laid out in a pretty specific way.  AFAIR, it's a question of physical upgrades to make this problem go away.17:01
cjwatsonGrumble.  My phone has very nearly that much free.17:01
infinity(Plus, that 28G is sbuild's estimate, which can be low, if it peaks earlier and then deletes things)17:02
infinitySweetshark: Building in proposed and copying to a PPA?  That sounds rather backward. :P17:02
Sweetsharkinfinity: well ...17:03
infinitySweetshark: But if these PPA uploads are actually meant to land in a release (ie: they're not just "test builds"), then I'd be sold on the devirt option.  All arches on, ddebs on, and have AAs copy things around.17:03
infinity(Not saying IS shouldn't solve the PPA disk space issues some day too, but if you're the only user this really impacts, I'm guessing it'll be pretty low on their priority list, and we should look for clever interim solutions)17:04
Sweetsharkinfinity: by now the ppa should have only rather stable stuff. If im doing real "test builds" I do them on personal ppa *cough* now ...17:05
infinitySweetshark: So, the PPA in question is staging for distro uploads?  Much like the kernel-sru PPA?17:06
Sweetsharkinfinity: yes, pretty much.17:07
infinitySweetshark: Okay.  And who has upload rights to it?17:07
Sweetsharkinfinity: ricotz, doko, me and penalvch. penalvch will never upload there.17:08
hyperairoh hey we have 7-digit bug numbers now17:13
xnoxinfinity: Sweetshark: didn't like desktop track wanted to run daily libreoffice builds & run the full test-suite, just for the sake or running the full testsuite?17:33
* xnox is pretty sure he heard that during roundup @ UDS.17:33
xnoxif it actually is daily libreoffice builds hitting the ppa, across all stable releases (like chromium ppa's) then potentially it will be a bigger FS resource problem.17:34
infinityxnox: Ick.17:38
infinityxnox: I recall something about libreoffice CI, I'm hoping it's not an all stable releases, nor daily.17:39
* infinity doesn't like his odds of backporting x32 support in glibc, when he realises that H.J. Lu is still committing to master, as recently as 5 minutes ago...17:41
infinityGuess I can backburner that work item until a liiiiitle bit later in the cycle.17:41
infinitycjwatson: ^-- FYI17:41
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Sweetsharkjasoncwarner_: just a headsup, thursday is a bank holiday in germany, so if there is something to 1:1 about drop me a line18:55
* micahg doesn't like the idea of an all arch devirt PPA for libreoffice, most of these builds probably won't be pushed into a release anyways (latest stable libreoffice for older stable Ubuntu releases)19:09
rbasakDo we know if either d-i or mkfs runs an ssd trim at partition format time? I'll file a wishlist bug unless someone tells me it does.19:10
rbasakNCommander: ^^19:10
infinitymicahg: Yeah, the backport ones should probably be in a virtualised PPA, I agree.  Solving that problem for them is a bit more effort, though.19:20
pittimicahg: gegl should be current now, I binNEWed pretty much everything today19:39
micahgpitti: thanks, will take a look over the weekend, still catching up on a bit of a backlog19:41
micahgpitti: can you promote the new gegl binaries to main (library and dev package, libgegl-0.2-0, libgegl-dev)?19:43
* micahg guesses libgegl-doc should be in main as well19:45
cjwatsoninfinity: heh, makes sense, it was hardly the most urgent on your list anyway20:08
cjwatsonrbasak: d-i doesn't, but I would be inclined to say that that shouldn't be d-i's problem.  mkfs or kernel.20:09
rbasakok, thanks. does d-i call mkfs or mkfs.$type? It would be nice to have it in mkfs rather than each backend20:10
cjwatsonIIRC mkfs.$type, and in some cases parted (but that needs to go away anyway)20:12
rbasakso if I file a bug against each mkfs.$type, I'll get told that it should be in mkfs, right? :)20:13
brycehbdmurray, looking at bugs filed against python-support...  it looks like that package recompiles all installed .py scripts to .pyc as part of its installation.  So if you happen to have a buggy python script installed, it causes a package failure bug to be filed against python-support20:14
brycehbdmurray, I think those bugs should be filed against their respective packages instead20:14
brycehand possibly python-support itself should not fail in such a case, but just flag the error.20:14
rbasaknext question: what tells debootstrap that it should ?configure base-passwd before base-files? I've got it going the wrong way around at the moment so it breaks. The issue is with my hacked mirror where I've regenerated the Packages and Release files, so I know I'm doing something wrong there, but don't see how my Packages is different.20:15
slangasekbryceh: we can reduce these bug reports to "please stop using python-support, you should be using dh_python2 instead"20:16
brycehslangasek, I notice it got demoted to universe in precise; I take it that it's deprecated?20:17
slangasekbryceh: with prejudice20:17
brycehyep http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython220:17
slangasekin fact, it should've been in universe before precise20:17
slangasekhuh, apparently it wasn't - well, it is now and good riddance ;)20:18
brycehslangasek, ok thanks.  Yeah the package builds in oneiric with python-support, but not precise20:19
cjwatsonrbasak: mkfs - dunno20:32
cjwatsonrbasak: er, not somewhere where I can easily look right now, but I thought the order there was hardcoded20:33
rbasakcjwatson: if you've got time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/991309/20:34
cjwatsonrbasak: give me an hour or two, dinner here20:35
rbasakcjwatson: thanks! For later: I've got a partial debmirror (quantal main/restricted only) and that works fine. I'm taking a copy and manipulating some unrelated packages (currently just adding a kernel) and using apt-ftparchive to regenerate/sign Packages and Release, and that breaks20:36
seb128does anyone knows if build-arch: rules target (source using cdbs) sould work fine in the current version?20:38
cjwatsonseb128: pretty sure build-arch is fine, but you should have a build target depending on build-arch anyway ...20:45
seb128cjwatson, I'm trying to figure why the current Debian gtk version fails to build on precise20:46
seb128the rules has20:46
seb128 build-arch: $(call dh_subst_files,$(DEB_ARCH_PACKAGES))20:46
seb128dh_subst_files = $(patsubst %.in,%,$(wildcard $(addprefix debian/, $(addsuffix *.in, $(1)))))20:46
seb128debian/%: debian/%.in20:46
seb128...20:46
seb128basically20:46
seb128but seems like that rules is never called when doing a build20:47
seb128there is no build target depending directly on build-arch in the rules (but maybe cdbs or something does it in Debian)20:48
cjwatsonseb128: maybe you should add one; I don't know cdbs.  does it build on quantal?20:53
cjwatsonrbasak: ah, I knew a very faint bell was ringing somewhere; Debian #64365920:54
ubottuDebian bug 643659 in cdebootstrap "Missing Depends: base-passwd" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/64365920:54
cjwatsonrbasak: so I think debootstrap should be changed to make that ordering more explicit, although it's interesting that this is I think the first clear report I've heard of this happening with debootstrap20:56
cjwatsonrbasak: I would certainly suggest sorting your Packages file if that works around it20:57
cjwatsonmterry: yes, I'm happy to finish my update-manager pye port - thanks20:57
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mterrycjwatson, hi!  OK21:01
cjwatsonneed to fight with relative imports some more, test with new aptdaemon, figure out what's up with option parsing translation21:02
cjwatsonfeels fairly close21:02
JontheEchidnaI've got a weird problem involving apt, gcc 4.7 and c++11, and I'm not sure if it's an apt or gcc bug.21:03
JontheEchidnaBasically, if you compile this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/991354/ with gcc 4.7/c++11 (http://paste.ubuntu.com/991357/) the example prints "error".21:03
JontheEchidnaIf you compile with gcc 4.7 without the c++11 cflag, or compile the example with gcc 4.6 with the c++11 flag, everything's fine.21:03
JontheEchidnaThe relevant class is in apt-pkg/contrib/error.* relative to apt source's root directory21:04
JontheEchidnabasically, a freshly constructed instance of apt's GlobalError class shouldn't have its member PendingMessage boolean flag set, but for whatever reason it is.21:07
JontheEchidnabut only when an application using the class is compiled with c++11 support in gcc 4.721:07
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YokoZarhey launchpad passed a million bugs today22:10
Resistanceold news, that happened early this morning (over 18 hours ago)22:11
slangasekyesterday ;)22:11
Resistanceyep22:11
Resistanceabout 00:00 locally at my location thoug h:P22:11
slangasekYokoZar: hey, had a question for you on ia32-libs dependencies22:11
micahgwell, technically UTC today :)22:11
YokoZarslangasek: ghosts of the past?22:11
slangasekYokoZar: yeah ;) ia32-libs-mulitiarch depends on gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 - why was this needed?22:12
YokoZarslangasek: it was needed for wine codecs long ago (at least that's why I put them in ia32-libs) but wine enumerates its dependencies explicitly now22:12
slangasekok.  it causes problems when you try to install a different 64-bit package that implements gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3, because apt isn't quite smart enough with the replaces22:13
slangasekor maybe I mean the conflicts22:13
YokoZarhmm, interesting22:13
slangasekso I think we should drop that particular dep22:13
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YokoZarSure.  Who's using ia32-libs-multiarch these days though?22:14
YokoZar(wine isn't, proudly)22:14
YokoZarI mean, you could probably drop more deps22:14
YokoZaror even the whole package :D22:14
tumbleweedYokoZar: seems only boinc is (and probably a bunch of 3rd-party stuff)22:15
slangasekYokoZar: well, it's already there in precise, and it's in precise that it's causing problems22:16
slangasekso this is looking like an SRU22:16
YokoZarslangasek: ahh ok, yes, SRU removing that dep for sure then22:16
slangasekI have already wondered about removing it from quantal22:16
slangasekbut I'm in no hurry22:16
micahgtumbleweed: a few other things as well :)22:16
tumbleweedmicahg: hrm, reverse-depends is lying to me, then22:17
micahgtumbleweed: nope, you forgot about the transitional ia32-libs package :)22:17
tumbleweedaah22:17
infinitymicahg: Yeah, but only boinc seems to use that...22:18
micahgah, run time deps, yes22:18
infinitymicahg: Things that build-dep on ia32-libs are just plain broken anyway...22:19
micahgright22:19
infinitySomeone should have noticed that and fixed/removed them.22:19
YokoZarslangasek: At the moment you can make an amd64 package depend on 32-bit libraries by just depping on ia32-libs-multiarch, if we remove it then we may hypothetically force a package to make an i386-only subpackage for their 64/32 app just to get the dependencies right22:19
* micahg senses another thing to clean up in quantal22:19
YokoZarslangasek: (mostly thinking of 3rd party junk here)22:19
micahginfinity: we ran out of time :)22:19
infinitymicahg: Happens, yeah.22:19
slangasekYokoZar: well, yes, but we *want* to force those packages to be split that way :)22:20
slangasekwe don't want redundant 32-bit binaries masquerading as amd64 packages22:20
YokoZarslangasek: even like a 3rd party binary-only package?22:20
micahgwell, if Debian makes their release goal of killing ia32-libs, then upstreams will kinda have to :)22:21
slangasekYokoZar: yes22:21
YokoZarslangasek: actually, that's a nice way of forcing them to setup apt repos :D22:21
slangasekcf. discussions at UDS re "You should be distributing archives, not .debs" :)22:21
slangasek;)22:21
YokoZarAll right, I'm all for it then22:21
YokoZarslangasek: relatedly, any possible movement on ".apt" format or similar, ie how to distribute these archives?22:29
infinityYokoZar: Like, a signed tarball of an archive, insyead of just hosting the files?22:30
infinityinstead, too..22:30
slangasekinfinity: rather, a standard file for distributing metadata about an apt source to allow it to be auto-configured22:31
YokoZarinfinity: no I mean a standard way of adding a repo by parsing a file (and maybe installing a package)22:31
slangasekYokoZar: and yes, that was one of the two areas of improvement discussed in the UDS session that we think we'll want to tackle this cycle22:31
infinityAhh.22:31
YokoZarslangasek: it's nice to see my 3rd-party-apt spec get revived from its 6 year old grave when I first proposed it at UDS-Boston :D22:32
slangasekheh22:32
mbieblslangasek: hi22:40
slangasekmbiebl: heya22:40
mbieblslangasek: is there a way to tell mountall to timeout waiting for a device to show up?22:40
slangasekhmm, not really22:40
slangasekwhat would you want it to do after timing out?22:41
mbieblmy use case is this: I have several amazon  EC2 instances22:41
mbieblwhere /var/log is on a attache EBS volume22:41
mbieblif that EBS volume is not attached, the boot hangs at that point22:41
mbieblnobootwait doesn't quite work as I want, as then it can happen that services are started before /var/log is mounted22:42
slangasekright22:42
mbiebl(when the EBS volume is attached)22:42
slangasekso you want the boot to continue with or without /var/log if it's not found?22:42
mbieblthis is on lucid, btw22:43
mbieblI want it to continue22:43
bdmurraythat sounds kind of like bug 61086922:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 610869 in mountall (Ubuntu) "mountall ignores nofail mount option" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61086922:43
slangasekI would do a job like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/991493/22:44
slangasekmbiebl: ^^22:44
slangasekbut of course that sets a global timeout which may or may not be what you want22:44
mbieblright, I basically just want to say that /var/log is not critical22:44
mbieblbut still have the correct ordering in the usual case22:45
slangasekyeah22:45
slangasekseems like the bug bdmurray points to is related22:45
slangasekbut we really would need to be able to set a per-filesystem timeout option in /etc/fstab to do what you want22:46
mbieblthat would be ideal, yes22:47
slangasekor maybe nobootwait semantics should just be changed to include a centrally-configured timeout22:47
slangasekthen you could use nobootwait and get the right behavior22:47
slangasekhmm22:47
slangasekmbiebl: I think this warrants a bug report against mountall; could you file one?22:48
slangasek(unlikely that any fixes will get backported to lucid though, sorry - but we could do something for precise)22:48
mbieblsure, np22:48
mbiebljust waiting for the point release before upgrading22:48
slangasekah, then perhaps we should fix it for the point release ;)22:48
mbieblwill file a bug tomorrow22:49
mbieblthanks for you input22:49
slangasekok, cheers22:49
slangaseker, hmm22:49
slangasekmountall does have a --dev-wait-time option ;)22:49
slangasekmbiebl: hah, looks like this may already be implemented with a 'timeout' fstab option22:50
slangasekI think mountall needs a better manpage :P22:51
mbieblyeah22:51
mbieblI've grepped the man pages for keywords like that22:51
slangasekor rather this needs to be added to the fstab manpage, which does document all the /other/ mountall extensions22:52
mbieblslangasek: I've checked mount, mountall and fstab :-)22:53
mbieblthe mountall man page is rather *short* :-)22:53
slangasekso there's a default timeout of 30 seconds; overridable with an argument to mountall; and a 'timeout' fstab option22:53
mbieblhm, if the default is 30 seconds, then I wonder why the boot blocks indefinitely22:54
slangasekthe timeout *only* applies to filesystems marked 'timeout'22:54
mbieblah22:54
mbieblwill try that tomorrow22:55
slangasekok - let me know how it turns out :)22:56
mbieblslangasek: ok, this seems to require a newer mountall. The lucid version doesn't understand the timeout option yet23:26
slangasekah, interesting23:26
slangasekI didn't realize there were new features added post-lucid23:26
slangasekbut ok23:26

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