| wendar | AlanBell: you rock, thanks! (for the tarball) | 00:07 |
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| broder | stgraber: haha. way to grab bug #1e6 | 01:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 01:05 |
| broder | no, not that one :-P | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | silly bot | 01:05 |
| stgraber | :) | 01:06 |
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| Rhonda | hah, again self-fixed problem, love those. :) | 06:58 |
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| wookey_ | I have an ubuntu package which uses dh-translations and thus calls dh -Spython_distutils --with python2,translations | 11:24 |
| wookey_ | dh-translations does not exist in debian | 11:24 |
| wookey_ | the rules file can easily be fixed up with dpkg-vendor | 11:25 |
| wookey_ | but I see no clean way to deal with the difference in build-deps. | 11:25 |
| wookey_ | Do lots of ubuntu packages have a delta adding dh-translations as a build-dep? | 11:25 |
| wookey_ | Is there a better way to deal with this? (package is usb-creator) | 11:26 |
| wookey_ | Also there are xml .ui files for gtk and kde. where it would be useful to insert either Ubuntu or Debian as approporiate. Is there a neat way to do this (nicer than sedding ui.in files in rules)? | 11:29 |
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| geser | wookey_: I guess you need a source package for Debian and one for Ubuntu then | 12:07 |
| geser | but if you manage this package in a VCS you could create an Ubuntu branch with all the needed Ubuntu delta (labels, build-deps, etc.) and rebase it on every new package revision | 12:08 |
| Daviey | wookey_: conditional symlink based on lsb distro? | 12:15 |
| Laney | you can have the build system substitute in based on a configure flag | 12:16 |
| Laney | but I don't know of a solution for the build-deps. | 12:16 |
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| Adri2000 | isn't it possible to have a template control file debian/control.in which regenerates debian/control at build? | 12:43 |
| azeem_ | it is discouraged I believe | 12:46 |
| Laney | I don't see how that could work for build-deps | 12:48 |
| Adri2000 | according to http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/27/different-dependencies-between-debian-and-ubuntu-but-common-source-package/#comment-3779 it should work, even though that's not really clean I admit | 12:57 |
| Laney | clean isn't run until after b-ds are installed | 13:01 |
| Laney | have a look at a build log to verify | 13:01 |
| highvoltage | moo | 13:05 |
| * Laney zaps highvoltage | 13:05 | |
| highvoltage | *BZZZT* | 13:06 |
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| geser | Laney: don't produce a short circuit when playing with highvoltage | 13:10 |
| * bregma sips his coffee | 13:28 | |
| hyperair | Zhenech: ping. | 18:32 |
| hyperair | Zhenech: why isn't libappindicator in debian? =\ | 18:32 |
| Zhenech | hyperair, because you didnt package it </defaultanswer> | 18:34 |
| Resistance | lol... | 18:34 |
| hyperair | Zhenech: and the reason for that is because pkg-ayatana insists on using bzr.. ¬_¬" | 18:34 |
| hyperair | Zhenech: i thought you were maintaining the indicator stack in debian though. isn't it pretty useless without appindicator as well? | 18:34 |
| Zhenech | no, works w/o quite good | 18:36 |
| Zhenech | and yes, bzr sucks | 18:36 |
| Zhenech | but makes "stealing" from ubunto so mucheasier | 18:36 |
| hyperair | hm | 18:46 |
| hyperair | how so? | 18:46 |
| hyperair | you would have to merge from ubuntu into debian, and then back again, wouldn't you? | 18:46 |
| hyperair | doesn't it get really weird there? | 18:46 |
| geser | or upload it as 1.2.3-0debian1 :) | 18:49 |
| Zhenech | hyperair, i always wait till ubuntu hass foo-0ubuntu1 and merge that | 18:52 |
| hyperair | hmmmm. | 18:53 |
| hyperair | i see | 18:53 |
| Zhenech | super easy | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate <-- apparently needs some love | 21:46 |
| tumbleweed | bkerensa: we'd love to get to thepoint where we can remove those pages and just point people at the packaging guide | 21:48 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:48 |
| micahg | bkerensa: well, we have http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-merging.html#merging-a-new-upstream-version | 21:48 |
| tumbleweed | which means either cover non_UDD workflows in the packaging-guide or get everyone usin gUDD (which requires it to work :P ) | 21:49 |
| ajmitch | it works, just not in all cases :) | 21:49 |
| tumbleweed | fair enough | 21:50 |
| tumbleweed | and I doubt we could call the traditional way of doing things "working" when there's a multi-k-line diff in a 1.0 source package | 21:50 |
| * ajmitch would like for a good solution to bzr+quilt that works for every package, but that requires some work | 21:52 | |
| tumbleweed | it sounds like we know what it might be, but nobody is putting the work in | 21:52 |
| ajmitch | sounds like a great opportunity for someone who likes pain :) | 21:54 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 21:55 |
| * tumbleweed bets the git people get there first. there's certainly way more experementation on that side of the fence | 21:55 | |
| ajmitch | then we can move all ubuntu branches to git? | 21:56 |
| tumbleweed | launchpad has to support it first :) | 21:56 |
| ajmitch | mere details | 21:56 |
| tumbleweed | not that I'm a bzr hater. But I quite like git too | 21:56 |
| tumbleweed | and it appears to have won | 21:57 |
| Laney | there was a "talk to" item about the .pc ignoring stopgap | 21:57 |
| Laney | that certainly seems more likely than making looms work | 21:57 |
| ajmitch | Laney: right, I can't recall if the importer was going to unapply patches | 21:57 |
| tumbleweed | definitly sounds like there are stopgaps that'll make things a lot better | 21:57 |
| ajmitch | looms seem like a nice-to-have | 21:57 |
| tumbleweed | ajmitch: I think we decided not to do that, it would be fairly insane | 21:57 |
| ajmitch | right | 21:57 |
| Laney | patches would be applied, and that's what you want really | 21:58 |
| tumbleweed | but rather to get as little of .pc in the branch as possible | 21:58 |
| Laney | but you can construct .pc on checkout | 21:58 |
| Laney | so it doesn't need to hit the vcs | 21:58 |
| tumbleweed | oh, right, that | 21:58 |
| ajmitch | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20342/foundations-q-udd/ wasn't entirely clear on which way was chosen & my memory is foggy :) | 21:58 |
| ajmitch | aha | 21:58 |
| * tumbleweed wasn't a great note-taker this UDS :/ | 21:59 | |
| ajmitch | tumbleweed: I'm sure you did a better job than I did :) | 22:02 |
| * tumbleweed also should have raised the debian stuff with debian-derivatives before the sessions, calling for input | 22:04 | |
| highvoltage | I wish I'd taken more notes but I was completely information-overloaded | 22:04 |
| tumbleweed | we're bad DDs | 22:04 |
| micahg | heh | 22:05 |
| tumbleweed | highvoltage: there were some sessions where I volunteered to take notes and then found myself staring into space or diving into arguments and losing track of the notes | 22:05 |
| ajmitch | good thing you grabbed the audio then | 22:05 |
| highvoltage | well, there were /some/ sessions where you couldn't be blamed for staring into space :) | 22:06 |
| tumbleweed | ah, btw, to get things to show up on status.ubuntu.com, all you need to do is mark the session as approved for quantal | 22:06 |
| ajmitch | oh good | 22:06 |
| * tumbleweed must go back and check that all his sessions are... | 22:06 | |
| ajmitch | 15% done already | 22:07 |
| tumbleweed | not bad | 22:07 |
| * ajmitch is 0% done, blame the ubuflu :) | 22:07 | |
| * tumbleweed is just getting over that | 22:07 | |
| Resistance | what's the methodology of enabling multiverse and universe inside a chroot, would that be adding `multiverse universe` to the apt sources.list lines in the chroots? | 22:08 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 22:09 |
| Resistance | indeed, just wanted to confirm | 22:09 |
| broder | tumbleweed: so should i just set the state on my blueprint to approved? | 22:11 |
| broder | the...definition state, i guess? | 22:11 |
| tumbleweed | broder: no, set a "series goal" | 22:11 |
| broder | aha | 22:12 |
| tumbleweed | at least that worked for the debian healthcheck fo rme | 22:12 |
| * Laney wibbles | 22:16 | |
| Laney | EVAN BRODER | 22:16 |
| Laney | DO WE NEED TO UPDATE THE BACKPORTS DOCS TO MENTION THAT WE UPLOAD OURSELVES NOW | 22:16 |
| Laney | ?????????????????????????????????????????????? | 22:16 |
| Laney | also, hello! | 22:16 |
| bkerensa | >.< | 22:17 |
| * ajmitch takes Laney's shift & capslock keys away | 22:17 | |
| broder | MR LANEY HELLO STOP | 22:18 |
| ajmitch | Laney: I want to be a backporter pls show me how | 22:18 |
| * Resistance raises an eyebrow | 22:18 | |
| broder | haha | 22:18 |
| Resistance | oh... | 22:18 |
| Resistance | for a minute i thought there was a spammer in here | 22:19 |
| ajmitch | there was | 22:19 |
| Laney | i can spam if you want! | 22:19 |
| * Resistance has autonotify scripts for multiple full-caps lines | 22:19 | |
| Resistance | Laney: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES | 22:19 |
| Laney | you want a ghc upload yes yes? then i get to spam you with uploads | 22:19 |
| * tumbleweed disables capslock. it serves NO PURPOSE | 22:19 | |
| * Laney has it as compose | 22:19 | |
| Laney | there's something satisfying about holding down shift | 22:20 |
| * Resistance lights his capslock key on fire | 22:20 | |
| ajmitch | Laney: oh we're so looking forward to another ghc transition | 22:20 |
| broder | HELLO SIR I FROM SUDAN AND MY RICH UNCLE HAS RECENTLY DIED LEAVING ME WITH 6 GAJILLION DOLLARS PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER AND I WILL TRANSFER MONEY TO YOU | 22:20 |
| broder | Laney: docs should probably be updated, but i'm holding off on doing so until i get a tool for AAs to use to verify things in-queue | 22:20 |
| Resistance | broder: now that is spam, but i got that three hundred times yesterday... | 22:20 |
| Laney | ok then | 22:22 |
| Laney | would you consider making backportpackage not remove the temporary directory if dput errors out? | 22:23 |
| * micahg was about to ask what the preferred way to upload a backport is now :) | 22:23 | |
| * Laney had to download the widelands >100 meg orig a few times due to various -u fails | 22:23 | |
| ajmitch | ouch | 22:23 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: seems fair | 22:23 |
| micahg | Laney: use backportpackage with the .dsc :) | 22:23 |
| ajmitch | micahg: my preferred way is to ping Laney | 22:23 |
| micahg | ajmitch: I'm a backporter :) | 22:24 |
| ajmitch | I'm not that special | 22:24 |
| Resistance | and micahg and broder are my contacts for backport questions :P | 22:24 |
| Laney | yeah, but it has this handly ability to download the package for me | 22:24 |
| Laney | -w . works too I suppose | 22:24 |
| Laney | want to process python-leveldb and see how you get on with uploading it? | 22:24 |
| micahg | Laney: that's good the first time around :) | 22:24 |
| Laney | i.e. if backportpackage does what you want | 22:25 |
| micahg | Laney: was about to, yes, just waiting for i386 to build in quadrispro's PPA | 22:25 |
| Laney | cool | 22:25 |
| * micahg likes the new bug in changelog feature | 22:26 | |
| micahg | helps with the audit trail | 22:26 |
| * ajmitch sees there's only one admin of the backporters team that's seen around here regularly | 22:27 | |
| bkerensa | micahg: any thoughts on this http://paste.ubuntu.com/991459/ | 22:27 |
| Laney | we call him The Boss | 22:27 |
| micahg | bkerensa: a bug in setup.y? | 22:28 |
| micahg | *setup.py | 22:28 |
| bkerensa | it seems to be defined though | 22:29 |
| micahg | bkerensa: no idea, maybe someone more versed in python can help | 22:30 |
| * micahg wonders if the other 2 people in the backporters team should be removed | 22:30 | |
| micahg | oh, nm, they're MOTUs still :) | 22:30 |
| Resistance | lol | 22:31 |
| micahg | well, we don't want non-MOTUs/core-devs doing backports | 22:31 |
| tumbleweed | I thought that wasn't possible? | 22:31 |
| micahg | what's not possible | 22:32 |
| ajmitch | micahg: there are a few people pending as backporters, what's the process for helping out? | 22:32 |
| tumbleweed | non-MOTU / core-devs doing backports | 22:32 |
| Laney | triage some and get scott to review your work | 22:32 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: yeah, was worried about lapsed upload rights and what not | 22:33 |
| eridu | hey motus, I'm watching a critical security bug for the pidgin-otr package -- I'm not sure what the protocol here is, but there's a debdiff on the bug report and an upload about to go into debian -- how could I help the fix get into Ubuntu? | 22:43 |
| eridu | lp bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin-otr/+bug/1000363 | 22:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1000363 in pidgin-otr (Ubuntu Quantal) "CVE-2012-2369: Format string security vulnerability" [High,Confirmed] | 22:43 |
| kees | eridu: folks in #ubuntu-hardened should be able to guide you | 22:43 |
| eridu | kees: thanks! | 22:43 |
| jtaylor | eridu: looks like its already taken care of, its now in the hand of the security sponsors | 22:44 |
| eridu | oh, alright then | 22:44 |
| jtaylor | same version in all releases makes it easy :) | 22:44 |
| eridu | how were you able to tell that? | 22:45 |
| eridu | I remember putting my name on a wiki page as the bug monitor or something for the pidgin-otr package, so I felt obligated to do something | 22:46 |
| jtaylor | debfxs has posted a patch | 22:46 |
| jtaylor | and forwarded to debian and ack'ed thare | 22:47 |
| Resistance | anyone able to help me figure out why the heck when i pbuilder --login to the chroot, and change the apt sources.list file, the changes dont take? | 22:49 |
| ajmitch | Resistance: forgot --save-after-login ? | 22:49 |
| Resistance | ahhh | 22:49 |
| jtaylor | use --save-after-login | 22:49 |
| Resistance | probably | 22:49 |
| Resistance | thanks | 22:49 |
| Resistance | any way to tell pbuilder to automatically use that when i use the login command? | 22:50 |
| jtaylor | you shouldn't | 22:51 |
| Resistance | okay then | 22:51 |
| Resistance | i wont :) | 22:51 |
| jtaylor | pbuild is supposed to provide the same (clean) environment each time | 22:51 |
| Resistance | jtaylor: i had to enable universe / multiverse | 22:51 |
| Resistance | so... | 22:51 |
| Resistance | :P | 22:51 |
| jtaylor | you can do that during creation with COMPONENTS | 22:51 |
| jtaylor | e.g. in pbuilderrc: COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" | 22:52 |
| Resistance | huh | 22:53 |
| Resistance | that's in my pbuilderrc | 22:53 |
| Resistance | and its not listening each time i create the environment :/ | 22:53 |
| * Resistance smells a bug that's specific to his system | 22:53 | |
| Resistance | have the guidelines for requesting a backport changed much since Precise was released? | 23:29 |
| micahg | Resistance: use requestbackport :) | 23:29 |
| Resistance | micahg: ugh, why the heck do i keep forgetting requestbackport | 23:29 |
| Resistance | oh right, because it segv's on this system | 23:29 |
| * Resistance has a slighitly-busted system | 23:30 | |
| * Resistance goes off to reinstall Precise | 23:30 | |
| Resistance | actually... | 23:31 |
| * Resistance just reinstalls the program that was causing problems | 23:31 | |
| Resistance | anyways, micahg, i guess that if i'm waiting for a build to finish on a PPA (so I can test the backport), then the request will just sit there until i confirm it works? | 23:32 |
| micahg | Resistance: yes, just note in the description what you're planning | 23:33 |
| Resistance | the heck...? | 23:34 |
| Resistance | micahg: requestbackport doesnt run as a user that isnt the user running it, right? | 23:34 |
| micahg | AFAIK, runs as the current user in the shell | 23:34 |
| Resistance | hmmmmm | 23:34 |
| Resistance | that's interesting | 23:34 |
| Resistance | because... | 23:34 |
| Resistance | the system isnt unlocking my keyring (even though i've already unlocked it today) | 23:35 |
| Resistance | and this system isnt auto-login | 23:35 |
| Resistance | :/ | 23:35 |
| Resistance | its as if its running as some other user | 23:35 |
| Resistance | (passcode isnt working) | 23:35 |
| Resistance | oh, and apport is complaining because i cancelled | 23:35 |
| Resistance | how wonderful | 23:35 |
| tumbleweed | it's a terminal in X? No ssh or screen or anything like that? | 23:35 |
| Resistance | tumbleweed: gnome-terminal | 23:36 |
| Resistance | within Ubuntu 12.04 | 23:36 |
| * Resistance is confused | 23:36 | |
| Resistance | okay, lemme log out and log back in | 23:37 |
| tumbleweed | sounds sensible | 23:37 |
| tumbleweed | FWIW python-keyring (or something below it) does seem to be a bit buggy | 23:37 |
| Resistance | that might be where the error is occuring | 23:38 |
| Resistance | perhaps this needs a bug filed against python-keyring? | 23:38 |
| tumbleweed | we know about the issue, just don't know what causes it | 23:39 |
| tumbleweed | something throws IOErrors when accessing the keyring every know and then | 23:39 |
| Resistance | well then this sucks, because the error i'm having is authing LP API access from my system | 23:39 |
| tumbleweed | you still having trouble? | 23:39 |
| Resistance | i cleared all the old auths, trying one last time before i shoot the auth system | 23:40 |
| Resistance | yep, still having trouble | 23:40 |
| Resistance | want the scrollbacks? | 23:40 |
| Resistance | s/scrollbacks./ | 23:41 |
| Resistance | bleh | 23:41 |
| Resistance | i meant the trace | 23:41 |
| tumbleweed | yes please | 23:41 |
| Resistance | i could generate an apport if necessary, do yo uneed that, or no? | 23:41 |
| tumbleweed | let's see the traceback first | 23:41 |
| Resistance | wait... | 23:42 |
| Resistance | what the...? | 23:42 |
| Resistance | oh | 23:43 |
| Resistance | right | 23:43 |
| * Resistance ignores that error, and removes the package being the problem | 23:43 | |
| Resistance | anyways, that trace | 23:43 |
| Resistance | tumbleweed: https://pastebin.com/Y1Sh0LEE | 23:47 |
| Resistance | bleh | 23:47 |
| Resistance | without the https://, but with http:// | 23:47 |
| Resistance | tumbleweed: the "error" is a GUI one: it pops up a box asking for me to put the passcode in for the keyring, but... | 23:48 |
| tumbleweed | Resistance: right, that traceback doesn't help much, but your description does shed some light | 23:48 |
| tumbleweed | is the keyring working for other things? | 23:48 |
| tumbleweed | such as network-manager | 23:48 |
| Resistance | its error says the passcode for the keyring unlock is invalid, and needs to be reentered | 23:48 |
| Resistance | and that point it does not worik | 23:48 |
| Resistance | and yes, it works with network-manager, and packaging signing (GPG) | 23:48 |
| Resistance | s/GPG/PGP/ | 23:49 |
| Resistance | (since my PGP key is in my keyring) | 23:49 |
| tumbleweed | package signing doesn't use the gnome-keyring | 23:49 |
| Resistance | *shrugs* | 23:49 |
| Resistance | network-manager's working | 23:49 |
| Resistance | and its unlocked and works at-login | 23:49 |
| tumbleweed | can you browse the keys in seahorse (parsswords tab) | 23:49 |
| Resistance | what keys? | 23:49 |
| Resistance | :/ | 23:50 |
| Resistance | oh wait a minute | 23:50 |
| Resistance | *that* isnt unlocking... | 23:50 |
| Resistance | what the hell? | 23:50 |
| Resistance | bleh | 23:50 |
| Resistance | how do i fix that then | 23:51 |
| tumbleweed | delete the keyring? | 23:51 |
| tumbleweed | it's in ~/.gnome2/keyrings/ | 23:51 |
| tumbleweed | (back it up first, of course) | 23:51 |
| Resistance | back it up, even though its empty? | 23:51 |
| Resistance | this is a new installation of precise | 23:51 |
| Resistance | :/ | 23:51 |
| tumbleweed | then just delete it | 23:51 |
| tumbleweed | when you create a new one, use your login password and it should unlock automatically | 23:52 |
| Resistance | ah that worked | 23:53 |
| Resistance | yeah, the passcode for the network i'm on right now in network-manager is available system-wide, so its pulling from the shared keyrings, not my local one | 23:53 |
| Resistance | s/local/personal/. | 23:54 |
| Resistance | tumbleweed: are you a backporter, or should I stab micahg? | 23:58 |
| * micahg puts on a suit of armor | 23:59 | |
| * tumbleweed is not a backporter. I just hang out with them :) | 23:59 | |
| Resistance | :P | 23:59 |
| Resistance | okay then | 23:59 |
| Resistance | micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/precise-backports/+bug/1000492 i can't test certain packages | 23:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1000492 in Precise Backports "Please backport boinc 7.0.27+dfsg-3 (universe) from quantal" [Undecided,New] | 23:59 |
| Resistance | as the dependency for certain packages there is to have certain card architectures i dont have | 23:59 |
| tumbleweed | Resistance: looks like you still have lots of testing to do | 23:59 |
| Resistance | namely the nvidia-cuda one | 23:59 |
| Resistance | tumbleweed: read the description / testing area | 23:59 |
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