[00:11] launchpad's millionth bug? [00:11] time to party [00:31] hah, someone had to I guess .. bug 1000000 [00:31] Launchpad bug 1000000 in Ubuntu "For every bug on Launchpad, 67 iPads are sold" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000000 [00:43] hi [00:44] after upgrading to Gnome 3.4 with the new ubuntu, my title buttons have gone back to the right after setting them to the left in button_layout. Any idea why it won't change? [01:11] Anyone around === soreau_ is now known as soreau === soreau_ is now known as soreau [05:05] [Jono Bacon] Testing and Instrumentation - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/16/testing-and-instrumentation/ [05:38] bug 1000000 [05:38] Launchpad bug 1000000 in Edubuntu "For every bug on Launchpad, 67 iPads are sold" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000000 [07:15] morning [07:21] Morning [07:37] good morning everyone. [07:39] Morning brobostigon, bit quiet here this morning :) [07:39] morning diplo , it is quite early. [07:43] morning [07:43] * brobostigon was playing with blenders proper 3d modelling last night, and thinks he could get the hang of it. [07:44] morning MooDoo === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon [08:11] ha, ha, ha bug 1000000 [08:11] Launchpad bug 1000000 in Edubuntu "For every bug on Launchpad, 67 iPads are sold" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000000 === Killerjim is now known as KillerJim === KillerJim is now known as Kmus === izdubar is now known as MarkDude [08:56] quiet in here again today === david is now known as soulnafein [08:58] * AlanBell tickles MooDoo [09:00] thanks AlanBell just what i needed [09:01] cough cough nutter cough cough [09:01] join #libertus [09:01] oops just curious :) [09:08] :D [09:08] We all busy today then ? [09:09] diplo: yes [read that as fedup.com] lol [09:09] Good morning peeps :) [09:09] morning bigcalm [09:10] I'm updating CV/Linkedin/everything else. [09:10] Really ought to start working now [09:10] :) [09:10] diplo: looking for something else? [09:11] Yep, want to get back to sysadmin from developing [09:11] I want to get back to bed from developing [09:11] diplo: where are you again? [09:13] Near Bath [09:13] Our Headoffice at the mo is up near nottingham [09:13] diplo: that's what i thought......was going to suggest this - http://jobs.heartinternet.co.uk/#job4 [09:13] Really not feeling happy about work and it's one thing i've decided over the last 2 years is I need to be happy [09:14] Happiness is key [09:14] heh I'm gutted, I've been emailed about that job as well [09:14] Also one in Leicester for EasyInternet [09:15] Sod all around this area, need to be fairly local because of my kids [09:15] I'd be fine if i was still married, would take stuff in Bristol/Swindon but that's an hour each way and if i need to get kids from School in a rush it could be a problem [09:19] diplo: contracting? create you're own startup.com? [09:20] I've been told to do that a few times [09:20] But I have a house that as a married couple we could barely afford ( she spent to much it seems ) and I now run it on my own, to worried about contracting and not earning enough to keep a house over my kids heads [09:21] I should do it, quite a few friends do but I think I'm just to chicken :) [09:22] I'm debating about doing a lot more private work and actually actively find some work outside of work hours [09:22] Or even totally leave the IT field [09:22] diplo: i'm the same, i want to startup.com but i'm too chicken, why do't we all go work for AlanBell :) [09:23] Now that sounds great! [09:23] :P [09:24] we're all coming to work for you AlanBell especially seeing as you've got a nice new shiney office ;) [09:25] MooDoo: Don't forget the high speed fibre internet connection at their office [09:25] DJones: oooo minecraft on speekd [09:31] diplo: you can startup ubuntu-uk support services ltd ;) [09:31] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks he might need to talk to AlanBell about recruitment. [09:32] MooDoo: diplo: we ain't ready yet but do feel free to send us your CV ;-) [09:32] Will do squire! [09:32] okey cokey. [09:36] How is life for everyone now we have some conversation going [09:36] Had blue skys earlier, but clouding over now :( [09:36] I wanted a nice bright day today [09:37] We've just had heavy rain after blue sky and now back to blue sky [09:38] Really screwed up weather this year aint it [09:38] God, getting old! talking about weather :( [09:39] GET OFF MY LAWN [09:41] it's nice and blue here, just waiting for the clouds :) [09:43] Oooh oooh sun is a coming back! [09:44] diplo: you're asleep....WAKE UP [09:44] You had to spoil it, it's gone away now [09:44] :( [09:44] heh [09:56] Hello o/ [09:56] s-fox: hello :D [09:56] popey, i see you are logged into the forums. What do you think of the look? [09:56] Hello MooDoo :) [09:57] s-fox: how are you [09:57] lo [09:57] lo daubers [10:00] morning all [10:00] bigcalm: steak and beer tonight dude [10:01] \o/ [10:01] Morning [10:02] I bloomin' well need it [10:02] hello davmor2 [10:03] dI am okay thank you MooDoo [10:03] How are you doing?? [10:03] MooDoo: Morning me owld mucka [10:03] Just moved two mattresses about. Now smells like ionised air around here [10:03] davmor2: how's it going? [10:06] MooDoo: round in circles of ever decreasing suffering :D who needs automated functionality test anyway [10:07] davmor2: prod czajkowski, you'll feel better [10:07] czajkowski: PRODDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:07] MooDoo: nope this helps though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-7bQezFZ44 [10:08] davmor2: yeah seen that, very funny [10:08] MooDoo, are you feeling any better? [10:08] must be nice to have a mobile phone :S [10:08] s-fox: will at 5:30.....:) [10:11] Is anybody here using powerline ethernet devices? Just wondering if you have a couple of devices to connect, do the adapters have more than one connection, or do you just use a spare router/switch [10:12] i do, and mine at least have one port per adapter [10:13] That was what I thought, the ones I'd looked at only seemed to have one port, I was hoping to run a connection to a sky receiver and plug a wifi extender into it [10:20] Morning all! === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [10:21] I guess I could just get something like http://www.amazon.co.uk/7dayshop-200Mbps-HomePlug-Powerline-Ethernet/dp/B004I6AK7A/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1337163252&sr=1-5 and plug an extender into one of them [10:21] when they say "blisteringly fast", they are lying [10:22] Reading the reviews, it doesn't read to good, requires Windows XP to cinfigure them [10:23] I keep debating about them, and then think I'll just pull some cat5e round the house instead [10:23] :) [10:24] gord: What would you expect for blisteringly fast? the 500Mbs versions [10:26] gord I don't know mine isn't too bad I went for the tplink, the only problem with mine is they are both plugged into extension cables which is a big no no [10:27] MooDoo: davmor2 herrro [10:28] Do these power network plugs come with a socket built into them so you can carry on using the sockets guys ? [10:28] * MooDoo hugs czajkowski :) [10:28] diplo: the expensive ones do [10:29] czajkowski: oggcamp hotel booked, looks like you get that beer i owe you after all :D [10:29] hehe [10:29] DJones, you'll get lots of noise on the line, at least in my experience, packet loss is through the roof [10:30] ah so I need to spend money then :) I think I'll stick to cat5e then... [10:30] Not enough sockets in my house as it is [10:30] and a few boxes of cat5e in my garage [10:30] diplo: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jM0PTDwWArQ/Rpj0G07YrAI/AAAAAAAAANk/ZV-gX4z_SV0/s400/cat5.JPG [10:31] davmor2: Assuming I got this http://goo.gl/b9HYL (which is the TP AV500), do you just connect one to the broadband router and one somehwere else within the house, they're not just receivers & you have to buy a seperate transmitter [10:31] heh MooDoo [10:32] I wired my back office/kids play room now, and to save going through walls and stuff i ran it around the outside wall ( standard cat5e ), was told that it wouldn't last because of rain/sun/snow/cold etc [10:32] It's been 5 years now [10:32] DJones: so you need to click on a button to sync them to each other and plug in the cables and that's it [10:32] diplo: yeah i did that to my garage where my servers are, and that's been a few years [10:32] So good enough for me, will do other rooms the same now, ready for kids wanting PCs/media centres in there rooms [10:33] davmor2: Thanks, sounds easy enough [10:33] gord: you need to get your electrics checked dude === kvarley is now known as Guest79666 [10:53] Any of you guys use or develop with the likes of drupal or some other cms ? [10:53] Got a charity here where I work, done a little web work for them but they are stuck on a PR News companies free hosting and want to prep to move or think about it [10:53] http://www.peopleagainstpoverty.com/ [10:54] Reckon Drupal or something like it could be layed out like that ? [10:56] what is the easiest way to convert wifi to normal wired? Say I have wifi from downstairs to upstairs, then want to use normal cable to various pc's [10:57] dogmatic69, AP in bridge mode, plug into switch? [10:58] diplo: my experience shows to avoid Drupal unless you have a lot of time to work everything out. And don't mind modules breaking between releases [10:58] directhex: thanks [10:58] * bigcalm scuttles off for lunch [10:59] http://openstandardsroundtable6.eventbrite.co.uk/ rerun of the microsoft corrupted first round table consultation on open standards [11:00] * davmor2 pictures bigcalm as zoidburg [11:00] diplo - Joomla! would probably be easier to do that [11:00] Ah that's the other one I was going to try with.. totally forgotten it [11:00] Thanks! [11:00] Cheers bigcalm [11:00] aswell [11:01] Not promising I'll do it for them, was going to download/template it and see how I got on... then say yes or no [11:01] Any other recommendations will be welcome [11:03] Joomla just installing \o/ [11:03] Lunch time job to have a play [11:03] could be done in wordpress too [11:03] Woop woop woop woop woop woop woop woop [11:04] but I would probably go for joomla [11:04] yeah I did think wordpress as well AlanBell, not if it would be suitable.. not a full on cms really is it [11:04] Well that's two people, so I approve :) [11:05] you can do quite a bit more CMSish stuff in wordpress than you might expect [11:06] Main thing for me is I don't want to have to support it to much, especially as I'll probably do it for free [11:06] :) [11:06] depends a bit on who will be making the content and whether they prefer the back end of workdpress or the back end of joomla! [11:08] yeah, well if you saw what they used now [11:09] Anything would be better [11:09] It is god awful! [11:09] I had to do some horrible hacks to get things to work [11:10] My vote would be for Wordpress as I have no experience of Joomla [11:10] * bigcalm grabs that sub! [11:11] wordpress o/ [11:12] Right, going to try both and show them.. Joomla looks nice for a start [11:13] Just got installed, see what the themeing is like first [11:13] diplo: there is django too [11:13] diplo: Creating templates for Joomla! is fairly easy - easier than for Wordpress. [11:14] And there are thousands of free ones you can use a base and modify. [11:14] I was going to use your wordpress how to later TheOpenSourcerer or your example anyhoo [11:14] django python based davmor2 [11:14] ? [11:14] Heard the name, not looked into it [11:15] diplo: yeap [11:15] diplo: https://www.djangoproject.com/ [11:15] I built lots of Joomla! sites. [11:16] My Python knowledge is basic at the moment, so will take a look but it has a lower score from my proficiency point of view :) [11:16] Will take a look though thanks! [11:16] Well so far so good TheOpenSourcerer , creating a template already [11:16] Docs seem quite good [11:17] The company I work for have wrote there own code rather than using one of these projects ( stoopid ) so my only exposure is Wordpress for personal use [11:18] * TheOpenSourcerer disappears under the weight of eclipse to work on porting a customer's vtiger system... [11:23] diplo: the way it was explained to me, wordpress is ideal for a personal blog/small site if you tinker with it you can get some useful features, django, drupal and joomla are for creating a site from the ground up that is intended to do anything and everything [11:24] anyone seen / used one of these? http://uk.level1.com/product_d.php?id=283 [11:24] Thinking of getting one [11:32] ooohkay, I have a libvirt kvm in precise, but I can't select virtio as the diskbus. any ideas? [11:32] Well the latter is more what I think I need to work to davmor2, will grab django tonight and have a look [11:32] Templating joomla now and see how it works [11:33] dogmatic69, Looked at buying the dell equivalent but never did [11:34] But basically it's a 1u/2u rack sserver from what i read before but made specifically for nas [11:54] in facebook, if i comment on a public page, it shows up on my timeline. how do i hide that without deleting the comment? [11:55] oimon: I didn't think you could other than deleting it [11:57] davmor2, i think that's the case. :( you used to be able to hide the notification on other people's feeds [12:02] * bigcalm flumps [12:03] Or is that flops? [12:04] bigcalm: you are eating marshmellow sweets now [12:04] Makes for a good lunch [12:06] davmor2: shouldn't you be at a wedding ceremony? [12:07] bigcalm: step-dad to be's lungs are full of fluid so it got postponed till they sort that out [12:07] Oh poop [12:07] Sorry about that man [12:07] bigcalm: yeah I said something similar although not so family friendly [12:09] What's the choice FTP server these days? [12:10] I'd like to avoid FTP, but wordpress seems to rely on it :( [12:11] although... if you ftp to localhost, is someone likely to be able to sniff passwords? [12:12] bigcalm: openssh sftp ? [12:12] SuperMatt: If they have root, yes. [12:12] jpds: I have sftp setup, I need to organise ftp as well [12:13] bigcalm: Don't? [12:13] jpds: doesn't answer my original question :) [12:13] I always used to use vsftpd [12:13] But I've stopped using any now [12:14] Can see what my webhost uses if you like ? [12:14] PureFTPD [12:15] bigcalm: proftpd but to be honest if you have sftp in place why bother [12:17] SuperMatt, ftp is totally sniffable. it's insecure by design [12:18] SuperMatt, only by using basic-level FTPS (encrypted control channel, unencrypted data channel) can you do safe password exchange [12:20] bugs me, it does [12:20] stupid wordpress [12:21] I've set up sftp for a client but something is odd with routing at the moment so that they can't connect. The alternative is to use FTP over the VPN they have with my client's server [12:23] I'd rather they could use SFTP. It's down to Rackspace sorting out their routing troubles [12:35] Anyone else getting 12.04 moving windows about randomly? I was sure I had a terminal window open in workspace 3 then it made a re-appearance in #2 ! [12:36] Of course clicking on the terminal icon in the launcher didn't help to find it either :-( [12:43] Stopped using workspaces, so sorry don't know.. can try and replicate if you want ? [12:45] My biggest issue is compiz using lots of CPU all the time with Precise ( Unity really ) [12:46] I'm going to grab Cinnamon again now actually [12:58] I'm now up to 8 work spaces on my laptop :D [13:00] mrevell: good afternoon. Joining us tomorrow? [13:00] bigcalm, Errrrrrm. Not sure yet. [13:00] Heh [13:00] I hope to. [13:01] I've decided to drive in. So if you want to stick around for the whole day, happy to give you a lift [13:02] I just use dual screens and terminator [13:02] I don't seem to have the user case [13:02] + have a laptop dual screen setup on the go [13:06] Hmm. i just ordered a solid state drive for my 2009 macbook air. [13:07] hoping that it will be fast enough to run precise smoothly [13:09] is the global application menu optional in precise? [13:10] SuperMatt: As long as you don't complain when it breaks probably ;-) [13:11] ah, it didn't land in precise [13:11] I'm still not sure where I stand on it [13:12] diplo: dual screens doesn't work on my laptop sadly, hence the abundance of workspaces. The laptop is only for out of office work. So in the office I have 6 work spaces on each of my 3 monitors. I'm a greedy bugger [13:12] What do you use them all for?!?!? [13:13] personally, I think that the menu should have options (global - always visible, global - mouse over, standard) [13:13] I thought I was bad for having stuff open [13:13] :D [13:13] I'll admit that the central monitor never changes from the 1st workspace - has my IDE on it [13:13] But I have multiple browsers, email, terminals, spotify, etc on the others [13:15] :) [13:30] TheOpenSourcerer, did you fix your nvida issue? [13:30] nvidia* [13:31] I haven't even looked at it today and *I* am not certain it is nvidia anyway. [13:31] That was MartijnVdS who suspected it was nvidia's problem. [13:32] well, I saw nvidia have confirmed a bug in 295.40 [13:33] they've released a new version to solve it, so thought I'd let you know what I'd read [13:53] regarding the sip jitter buffer; does anyone know how to see its 'settings' ie the current buffer size, max possible size etc? [14:02] Anyone know where a user's VPN configs for network manager are stored in ~ ? [14:03] Can I just copy them back from a backup of my old home dir? [14:06] Heh http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3patjo/ I think I've seen that shirt in a picture recently [14:07] DJones, was it a magic eye? [14:07] It was something [14:10] * bigcalm shakes his head [14:12] afternoon nap time again [14:12] mmmmm nap time... [14:13] :o [14:13] AlanBell: do you have a bed at your new office? [14:14] I am not there today [14:14] aha [14:14] and no ;) [14:14] hehe [14:19] Just remembered that we're seeing Stewart Francis do stand-up a week today. A nice surprise to cheer up my afternoon [15:25] 3 hours until beer o'clock [15:25] Time is slowing down [15:25] bigcalm, I have just been advised the same thing \o/ [15:26] Attending the LUG is my excuse for a drink [15:26] :) [15:26] Oh, and steak [15:26] Long live LUG meetings in pubs! [15:26] heh, friend telling me I need to have food/pint is good enough for me :) [15:27] Heh [15:27] Two local lugs to me are 50 min drives away [15:27] That's a good friend indeed :) [15:27] Mine is a 40ish min drive [15:27] oh, so a pint is it then [15:27] I have a mile/ mile and a half walk into town [15:28] Well, the local one (Shropshire) would be about 20 mins. But I prefer attending Wolves LUG instead [15:29] Can't drink too much anyhoo [15:30] Got to get up early and pick my parents up from Heathrow :( [15:45] Settings -> Display -> stick edges... most annoying feature ever [15:50] nah... Most annoying is not being able to find windows easily without using keyboard commands... [15:50] :D [15:50] Just moved back to cinnamon, I'm happier already [15:50] :) [15:51] Will give Unity a go again start of next month. [15:51] I am tempted to install the gnome-fallback jobby and try that. [15:52] not tried it yet [15:53] The other annoying this is those stupid pop-up sliders. Why oh why... [15:54] because not enough people complained about it when it was introduced a year ago [15:56] remember, when you go to complain on launchpad and mailing lists, that feature is called overlay scrollbar [15:57] Right off home. Catch you laters. [15:58] anyone know how to adjust the workspaces? [15:58] I have done this http://askubuntu.com/questions/59559/how-to-configure-workspace-layout [15:58] compiz settings manager, but cant find it [16:00] CCSM->General->General Options->Desktop Size [16:00] can anybody help with a technical problem? [16:00] !ask [16:00] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [16:00] is it a really technical problem? [16:00] Yes!! [16:01] * DJones watches as the channel quickly empties [16:01] TheOpenSourcerer: ah... its General -> General options... [16:01] dogmatic69: The number of workspaces? [16:01] DJones: its normally 2x2, I got 2x screens so just want 2x1 [16:02] on a scale of 1 to 10, how technical is it? [16:02] I installed myunity that does the job brilliantly [16:02] from the normal repo's [16:02] Various settings for changing Unity [16:02] well I can't load 12.01 on my lap top so I guess 10 [16:03] I suggest you try 12.04 instead then ;) [16:03] why can't you load it? [16:04] no CD drive? [16:04] hehe [16:04] keith__: Can you give us a bit more detail, laptop model, specifications and what happens when you try to load/install it [16:04] ali1234: he's missing disk 42 [16:05] sorry meant 12.04 - used to run 11.11 through winds 7 tried updating to 12.04 - now nothing [16:06] keith__: a little more detailed description than 'nothing' would help anyone trying to help you [16:06] 1121123212132123421/ [16:07] dammed locked screen [16:07] Yeah OK. having selected Ubuntu off the grub / laoder menu the start up just freezes [16:08] keith__: Is this a full install, or was it done via windows using Wubi? (With you saying you used to run 11.10 through Win 7 makes me wonder about wubi [16:09] Yeah it was wubi, obviously I could re-install but do not want to loose my files [16:10] keith__: you can use the live cd to backup everything [16:10] I've never used wubi, I don't know whether that makes any difference to how ubuntu starts up [16:10] Ok I will try that first - Thanks for the advice [16:11] Do you just get a black screen after you select ubuntu from the grub menu [16:11] wubi changes everything about how ubuntu starts up [16:11] also you can't access it with a livecd [16:11] :/ [16:12] Not what i would call a black screen, it attemps to load but just freezes on the multi coloured screen [16:13] keith__: multi coloured... is that something that flashes different colours? [16:13] I have that on my server when booting sometimes [16:14] Yes, but no flashing [16:15] who wants to help me hunt bugs in gnome classic session? [16:24] TheOpenSourcerer: i just found compiz has a preference for viewport switching to make the monitors independent [16:24] gnome classic? [16:24] it just doesn't work with nvidia, but it should do with others [16:25] has anyone got a beginners guide to unity? [16:25] * hamitron is struggling [16:25] hmm - ali1234 I thought I tried that the other day on my lappy without success. [16:25] maybe it doesn't work at all [16:27] hamitron: what are you trying to accomplish [16:27] I want to see what apps are installed [16:29] is there not a menu somewhere? [16:29] yeah [16:29] you have to open the dash then go to the application lens then open the filter menu then select all the filters, then it gives you a huge unordered list of everything that is installed [16:29] it's basically worse than useless [16:30] and extremely difficult to find and use [16:30] I think I'll have to change how I work [16:30] but could be interesting [16:30] :) [16:31] application lens? [16:32] ah, I see [16:32] Yeah, lenses are the icons along the bottom of the dashboard. Sadly none of them have names [16:33] actually they all have names [16:33] you are supposed to just know what they are called [16:33] the 2nd one? ;/ [16:33] Ahem [16:33] right [16:33] "visible" names :P [16:33] the one that looks like a bookshelf or something [16:33] hamitron: correct [16:33] visible names are bad! [16:33] bigcalm, I'm a fast learner ;) [16:34] indescribable abstract shapes are much better [16:34] 2 hours to beer o'clock [16:35] Time _has_ slowed down :( [16:35] bigcalm: I blame you for that, you're the the talking beer clock [16:36] which package provides the classic style menu? [16:36] bbl, gonna need to feed myself before learning this :) [16:36] hamitron: if you want a nice shortcut for things hold down the windows key and it pops up an overlay of shortcuts to get through things with keypresses [16:38] hamitron: also if you have a plain desktop in view if you go to the top there is a menu and there is a help section that acts as a fairly good manual [16:57] bug 1000323 [16:57] Launchpad bug 1000323 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "moving panels is very slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000323 [16:57] bug 1000343 [16:57] Launchpad bug 1000343 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "no icon for ubuntu one in gnome classic session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000343 [16:57] davmor2, thanks [16:58] hamitron: pleasure [16:58] some tweet love or rehsaring would be great on https://plus.google.com/109129028036222996031/posts/RaCZ1wTP2Rd [17:03] heh [17:03] is there a trick to resizing a window? [17:04] hambuntu: bottom righthand corner [17:04] left mouse button? [17:04] yeap [17:05] the icon changes like it should resize [17:05] and changes back when I click [17:05] hambuntu: yeap you hold the left mouse and then move to where ever [17:06] hmmmm [17:06] hambuntu: or you can drag to the side and have it fill one side of the screen or the top and have it fill the page [17:06] I wish it did [17:07] the top right works [17:07] haha [17:07] sides and bottom right just aren't working [17:08] * hambuntu is lacking mouse control badly? [17:08] Bit of an unfortunate host name you're connecting from [17:08] it is cool ;/ [17:14] try a restart I suppose [17:14] brb [17:45]