[00:02] hey, do I need firewall in linux like with lubuntu to keep unauthorized access to my pc? I'm mainly talking about home/public network [00:03] or will I know it if someone is trying to break into my lubuntu [00:03] You should [00:04] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW [00:04] I'm new to linux I normally use comodo firewall in windows [00:05] nice link will_ ty [00:07] You'd generally want to default to deny all incoming connections by default. For a desktop, you rarely will want to allow anything incoming [00:11] I'm newb to networking, but if I deny all incoming connection, I wont be able to go to internet? or is that different to home/public network? [00:13] It denies new connections [00:13] new incoming connections [00:16] ubuntu and lubuntu have a built in firewall [00:16] enabled by default [00:21] kanliot: ?? [00:21] kanliot: firewall? [00:21] kanliot: you refering to iptables? [00:22] n1ckn4me09876543: try a scan on your network ;) [00:25] stlsaint, yes [00:26] ufw isn't installed by default though :( [00:30] stlsaint: how do I scan my network and see who's connected? what's the command line [00:44] kanliot: iptables is included by default, not enabled by default [00:44] just to clarify [00:45] on installation its defaults are to ALLOW everything [00:45] you can use ufw to set up a firewall easily [00:51] I need some help with installing some packages [00:51] what is the command to install packages [00:51] wait, if "ubuntu ships with no open ports by default" this doesn't mean the firewall is on? just means there's no kind of thing running? Resistance? [00:51] synaptic package manager [00:51] sudo synaptic [00:52] kanliot: ubuntu ships with iptables installed, but there's no rules on it by default [00:52] confirmed with clean Ubuntu 12.04 [00:52] welli'm starting with the minial install [00:52] so ports are "open" then [00:52] but there's nothing listening on them [00:52] ok [00:52] casey new users might be better off using the alternate installer [00:53] of course, since i back up my iptables rules remotely, i just downloaded the rules and put iptables-persistent on :P so my rules are restored [00:53] i just need to know the commands [00:53] well how do i put in synaptic package manager [00:53] sudo apt-get install synaptic [00:54] resistance, what do you use for backups? [00:54] kanliot: of...? [00:54] chromo is jsut chromo [00:55] kanliot: on shutdown i have an rsync to a remote server of the iptables rules [00:55] chrome [00:55] i guess stuff under 100M [00:55] kanliot: ahh [00:55] kanliot: i back up my non-critical information manually to an external drive [00:55] but my firewall is 100% critical, so i rsync that offsite [00:56] chrome is a game [00:56] or i mean chromium is a game [00:57] google-chrome-stable is what you want [00:57] but i think its in the ubuntu partners repository [00:57] @ casey [00:58] ok what is the update mangure [01:01] casey seriously. no offense but you should try the alternate cd [01:01] unless you really need the minimal [01:01] yes i just need a few things as its going to be used as a server with gui [01:01] :( [01:02] It's a bit unsafe to run a GUI on a server [01:03] then why is ther one on windows server hehe [01:03] That's a whole different story [01:03] i don't think theres any difference in ram use between lubuntu and lubuntu minimal, but i could be wrong [01:03] You can hardly compare the two [01:03] or cpu either [01:04] Casey: I think you should use the Ubuntu-server edition [01:04] anyway what i need is update-manager right? [01:04] there's a how-to on the wiki on how to install remote desktop on lubuntu [01:04] but please don't use minimal [01:05] what do you think ishould use? [01:06] lubuntu desktop 64bit... then install remote desktop [01:07] i don't need remote desktop [01:07] ok [01:07] and its not a 64bit cpu [01:07] how much ram [01:07] 254mb [01:07] ok [01:07] use alternate [01:07] ouch [01:08] i did have 10.04 running on it [01:08] you said you needed a gui === P4R4N01D1 is now known as P4R4N01D [01:10] why don't i want minimal? [01:12] i thought it would help ya out since you are only now learning how to install packages [01:12] synaptic is great for new users, and minimal has it [01:13] well i have been use linux soem but i haven't istall that many packages [01:13] do you use ssh? [01:14] som e [01:15] well i really don't know what you need [01:15] its bad form to try and help people by guessing what you need [01:17] ok what version of lubuntu should i use the new version or 10.04? [01:17] 12.04 [01:18] ok [01:18] but that's a guess :) [01:19] why woulkd i want 10.04 [01:19] you wouldn't if 12.04 is working well [01:21] ok [01:21] i was thinking of puting in the minimal and then add the browers and updater and notpad [01:22] yeah [01:22] well you might try just plain lubuntu alternate [01:22] it will save you time [01:22] ok [01:34] kanliot, what's this alternate? [01:37] its a simple installer for low ram [01:37] !alternate [01:37] The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal [01:38] !minimal [01:38] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:38] interesting. thanks. === BrainBits is now known as mlsmith === jalcine is now known as Jacky === Effenberg0x0 is now known as EffenbergAway === Resistance is now known as LordOfTime [02:30] Hmm, not seeing any activity yet . . . newbie, here [02:31] arbolwhahine: patience :P [02:31] you've only been here a minute :P [02:31] welcome [02:31] !ask [02:31] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [02:35] Dang, didn't realize patience would be necessary :). Ok, just inlled Lubuntu (had been using Ubuntu Lucid Lynx). The look was all funky, so I decided to start by changing the wallpaper, which I did. Apparently, though what I've been looking at wasn't the wallpaper? It's this tabbed menu thing with a blue background. When I shut down or start up, the wallpaper I configured flashes on the screen for a moment, but then all I g [02:36] You got cutoff, but sounds like you're using the "Netbook" login. [02:36] Unit193: Yes! Ok, the standard login will give me different results? [02:37] Yep, that's basically a test interface. [02:37] Right on! Many thanks - I would have spent hours trying to figure this out and who knows if that would have even occurred to me! [02:37] Heh, welcome. [02:39] I will display my gratitude by taking my IRC ineptitude and exiting, stage left. May your good deed and patience be rewarded many times over. [02:39] Heh, have a great evening. [02:52] dpkg -l | grep gnome | wc -l [02:52] 41 [02:52] Do others have about that many? [02:52] I can't recall if I installed something that pulled them in, or if lubuntu simply comes with a number of gnome packages. Anyone? [02:53] I have 50 [02:53] thanks, Yos. Do you think it's normal for Lubuntu to have that many? [02:54] I'm new to all this so I wouldn't know [02:54] Ok, thanks, Yos. [02:55] I'm curious to know how much Gnome that Lubuntu actually uses. [02:55] !purelubuntu [02:56] hmm [02:56] s/lubuntu/lxde [02:56] !purelxde [02:56] If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » [02:57] uvtc, ^^ [02:57] And I only have 26 [02:58] thanks, ubottu. My hunch is that I do in fact like the ease-of-use that Ubuntu brings. I'm not sure what I'd be doing without if I were to go pure-lxde. [02:59] ubottu, but those lists of packages on that page are interesting... [02:59] uvtc: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:59] Oh my, I seem to have failed a turing test. :) [03:03] Interesting that there are so many gnomish items in that list. [03:03] Thanks for the link, Yos. [03:05] yw [03:08] .!purelubuntu has been added and can now be used [03:08] Good night. [03:09] !purelubuntu [03:09] If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » [03:11] Good night, IdleOne. [03:13] Unit193, funny that you only have 26 packages on your system. Are you running Lubuntu? [03:14] Unit193, s/packages/gnome packages/ [03:14] or, at least, packages with "gnome" in the name. [03:15] If I take that list of lubuntu packages at , put them one on each line, then grep gnome | wc -l, I get 46. [03:18] uvtc: Yes, and mainly libs. [03:19] That doesn't get you back to fresh Lubuntu install either. [03:19] Yeah, I don't think I'd try it. [03:20] But I do find it interesting how much gnome Lubuntu uses. I've used Gnome a lot in the past, I'm just not crazy about the new direction they've gone in wrt the UI. Maybe I'd like it if I spent more time with it. Dunno. [05:53] hello, I am installing lubuntu on an old nc6000 laptop, it see the wireless networks, but refuses to connect [05:53] I tried wicd, no good either [05:54] stuck a usb wifi stick on, same thing [05:55] any idea [05:55] it works with Bodhi withou a hitch [05:55] only problem is, I like lubuntu better than Bohdi [07:38] Hello, Am I tio early [07:38] For what? [07:39] My word, Batman, dont u ever sleep?? [07:39] lol [07:40] Oooh, that's a new thought! Considering it'z 03:40, might be a good one too. [07:40] It's with regret I ask this......to have a dual bit windows and Linux pc.... [07:41] Sky sod lol [07:41] no silly!! [07:41] So what's the question bit? [07:42] Bear with me, am on my phone [07:43] Sip I have to instal windows first then do I boot from Linux cd and instal it next to doze?? [07:43] sip =so [07:43] Yes, you install windows first then linux, unless you've already done otherwise. [07:44] Well I have no data on the machine, and vaguely recall someone saying better to do it that way??? [07:46] I doing really wanna but need to Skype with cam [07:46] How do I instal webcam on Lubuntu? [07:46] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows Should have the rest if you'd like that as well. [07:47] Don't have one, but there is a program called "cheese"(?) that works with them. [07:48] I know cheese, but it didn't work. All my family are in Africa, so regretably gonna have to dual boot!! [07:49] :-( [07:49] Think it's time to get up and face the dual boot. , Sleep well Batman. :-) [07:50] adios === len is now known as Guest63517 [11:14] :D [14:10] Hello [14:25] hi [14:30] I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 Server + LXDE and I'm having trouble getting my webcam to work. It worked in my previously installation of Ubuntu Desktop (I believe I had upgraded it to Natty). [14:31] I think it's a UVC driver problem but I'm not sure and I'm having difficulties troubleshooting. [14:31] Or rather, troubleshooting is going great, I just can't get the darn thing to work anymore. [14:31] murple: i would look in lscpi and/or lsusb ..see if the device is showing up there [14:31] I see the webcam listed in Cheese and similar programs, but I cannot select uit. [14:31] holstein: I will, I don't believe it is. [14:33] holstein: The webcam I'm trying to make work is not listed, however the built-in iSight webcam is showing (I have an old iMac) . I can't get that to work either though. [14:33] murple: the imac? or the isight? [14:33] There must be some component/driver/thinamagig that Ubuntu Desktop installs by default and Ubuntu Server does not install by default. [14:33] you have several "unknowns" that i see.. the USB ports on the device its self need to be tested, both hardware and software [14:34] The old iMac is working as well as can be expected, much thanks to LXDE. [14:34] The iSight doesn't work. [14:34] murple: ubuntuserver *is* ubuntu.. if you installed LXDE, you might not have gotten something... but lubuntu-desktop would be the same [14:34] Well... possibly but everything was working in my previous install of Ubuntu Desktop. [14:34] murple: on that hardware? [14:34] yes. [14:35] murple: that was a different kernel *if* it was 11.10 [14:35] the same webcam, the same iMac, the same iSight. Everything was working with a previous installation of Ubuntu Desktop. [14:35] I believe so, Natty Narwhal I think it was. [14:35] murple: right.. you need to *know* [14:35] I feel like there is something that is not installed/activated by default in Ubuntu Server, which is installed/activated by default in Ubuntu Desktop. [14:35] that would be the likely cause though... kernel version.. the DE really doesnt atter [14:36] DE? [14:36] murple: grab a 12.04 live CD and try it [14:36] Desktop .Environment. [14:36] DE = desktop envirnment [14:36] Gotcha. [14:36] hmm. [14:36] that what you are proposing, and grabbing an ubuntu 12.04 live CD will tell you that [14:37] if it works with the 12.04 live CD, then you are missing a package [14:37] hmm. [14:37] If this were a driver issue would the USB webcam still show up in lsusb or not? [14:37] murple: the kernel has the drivers [14:38] if the drivers are there, it shows up.. thats a good first step [14:38] But only the iSight webcam is showing up, not the other webcam I need to have working. [14:38] murple: cool [14:38] so "all drivers" are included in the kernel? [14:39] murple: and the 11.10 kernel could have supported the device [14:39] but not the 12.04 kernel? [14:39] murple: not all.. thats how support gets dropped [14:39] doesnt mean you cant add it back [14:39] right, but how would I go about finding and installing what I need? [14:39] murple: i would try a 12.04 live CD [14:39] I'm sorry if you have to repeat yourself, I'm still something of a Linux noob. [14:40] murple: `i would get out the 11.10 live CD and poke around [14:40] But I don't understand why, I'm already running 12.04?? [14:40] That makes more sense. [14:40] murple: sure, but you think you are missing a package [14:40] No point in using a 12.04 live CD when I'm already running 12.04 right? [14:40] murple: and if you try the 12.04 live CD, then you'll know for sure [14:41] I understand, but downloading and testing both 11.10 and 12.04 involves a whole lot of time and effort and I thought there was a better/faster approach to troubloot. [14:41] troubleshoot. [14:42] well, you will need to take some time and spend some effort somewhere [14:42] its up to you how you want to spend that time [14:42] Other than bugging you on IRC? : ) [14:42] arg! [14:42] hehe.. i dont mind.. i just dont know without having the hardware in front of me [14:42] yeah. [14:42] and, i typically use the live CD's as a tool [14:43] if you think its the DE, or a missing package, fire up a live CD and confirm.. could be the case [14:43] In Windows I would just google my hardware, find the appropriate driver and install it. [14:43] murple: you cant compare that [14:43] I don't think it's the DE, I never meant that. [14:43] murple: you can ask the manufacturer to supply you a driver as they did for you in windows [14:44] I meant the Server edition as opposed to the Desktop edition of Ubuntu might have something to do with it. [14:44] "windows" didnt have anything to do with that driver [14:44] There are two downloads of 12.04 Desktop and Server and that's what I was referring to earlier. [14:44] murple: sure.. and i say, open the desktop edition up and confirm that [14:44] right [14:44] murple: this is PPC as well correct? [14:44] Not sure what that is, it's an old Intel iMac. [14:45] Power PC? Don't think so. [14:45] PPC is not officially supported anymore either.. i might just stick with 11.10 if its working, or 10.04 [14:45] murple: you need to *know* that too [14:45] if its intel, then its not PPC [14:45] i thought it was supported [14:45] Okay, then it's not a PPC. This was the first iMac with an Intel in it. [14:45] blah! [14:45] kanliot: official support was dropped in 10.10, right?.. im not sure [14:46] we dropped k5 or something in 10.10 [14:46] ok. [14:46] well... [14:46] it's on the download wiki page if you need 2 check [14:46] I suppose I'm going to take a break from this and continue later. [14:46] :) [14:46] holstein: Thank you very much for your time and assistance. [14:46] much appreciated [14:47] (although entirely fruitless!) [14:47] j/k. [14:47] murple: lol... anytime [15:24] hello @ll, is that natural that during 11.10 to 12.04 upgrade nothing appears on screen ? [15:41] hi :) [15:42] raphaelle: I don't think so? :) [15:44] raphaelle: did you try a clean install? [16:11] smile, sorry I've been out, I did not try a clean install yet, since my lubuntu 11.10 is fine. Though, trying to upgrade to 12.10 through update manager, I entered my root password and now there is a "precise" task running background and consumming 70-80 % of CPU... but no update message on screen ! Should this happen ? [16:12] sorry, of course I'm upgrading to 12.04, not 12.10 :-) [16:12] raphaelle: it shouldn't ;) [16:12] but it seems to be on the upgrade way :p [16:13] so, my advice: hands off :p [16:14] OK, wait and see... [16:26] 'lo all [16:29] raphaelle: good luck [16:29] :) [16:36] Hi all, I just installed Lubuntu 12.04 on my desktop, but it refuses to boot. Graphical boot just shows a black screen, and if I do recovery mode it hangs on a line that says just "hostname stop/waiting." Any idea what could cause this? [16:37] stiltzkin: graphics card driver.. bad hardware... somethine with the network [16:37] stiltzkin: were you able to get to the live desktop? [16:38] holstein, yeah I was able to get to the live desktop [16:38] this has an Nvidia GeForce 5800, old card. Bad hardware is certainly not out of the question, this is an old machine [16:39] I was actually able to get it to boot, but just once...I had to do recovery mode and then it let me continue a normal boot. Restarted to install wireless drivers and now it's back to this error [16:40] stiltzkin: if you are able to get to the live desktop without any tricks, then it shouldnt be the graphics driver.. i would test the hard drive and ram and go from there [16:41] Already ran Memtest86+, RAM should be OK. And 768MB should be enough for LXDE I think. Hard drive should be alright too, I wiped it entirely for this install [16:42] I'm installing Lubuntu on this machine because when it had Windows XP on it, it would just randomly freeze up. Like entirely without warning, the entire OS would just freeze. And this is after several clean installs of Windows. So I figured either it was a software problem with Windows or a hardware problem with the computer itself. With Lubuntu failing to work I'm starting to think it's the latter, but I'm not sure what e [16:42] xactly could be broken [16:43] stiltzkin: if you didnt test the hard drive, then i would [16:44] ubuntu/lubuntu is not magic.. if you had a hardware issue causing freezing, you should expect the same in linux [16:44] Probably not a bad idea. I could just throw a different drive in there too and see if the problem persists [16:44] you can load the live CD... use if for a while.. if it doesnt freeze, could be the hard drive [16:45] Of course, I didn't expect it to...but the message "hostname stop/waiting" didn't seem like a hard drive type problem [16:47] Actually it's not booting the LiveCD now either. Something else must be broken...definitely hardware related :/ === EvilResistance is now known as LordOftIME === LordOftIME is now known as LordOfTime [16:50] stiltzkin: you can always test the memory til you are *sure*... remove the physical hard drive... boot the live cd til you get a desktop... turn things off in the bios, or remove hardware til you are sure what is the issue [16:53] Yeah trying to boot with the drive disconnected now. === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as C0nfus3d [17:02] holstein, Yeah fails to boot even with the drive disconnected...but Memtest86+ passes the RAM...something else is up [17:03] graphics card driver.. you can hit shift on boot, and F6 and pass some kernel options such as "nomodeset" [17:12] holstein, successfully booted the livecd with nomodeset, interesting... [17:17] stiltzkin: if its a desktop, i might just go and put another graphics card in... you can use nomodeset to install.. its likely you can add that option to the kernel easy enough and just boot what you have installed [17:19] hy there [17:19] anyone can help me? [17:19] razvan986: you'll need to just ask, and see [17:19] why radio tray crashes after i switch radio channels [17:20] razvan986: with what software? [17:20] it gives me an error report [17:20] Lubuntu [17:20] razvan986: what operating system? [17:20] latest [17:20] lubuntu 12.04? [17:20] what software? [17:20] yes [17:20] radio tray [17:20] im not familiar with that.. is that in one of the music players? [17:21] just an internet radio streamer [17:21] razvan986: sure.. what software? [17:22] http://radiotray.sourceforge.net/ [17:23] razvan986: i would say, if you can start it from the terminal and see any helpful output, note that output [17:23] i would try and either upgrade or downgrade radiotray in synaptic or the package manager of your chioce [17:23] how to start it from terminal? [17:23] choice* [17:24] razvan986: i typically just type the command that starts the application.. maybe that is "radiotray" [17:24] ok [17:28] holstein, thanks for your help...looks like my problem is a known issue with the card: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/geforce-fx-5200-ubuntu-whenever-i-try-to-boot-into-graphical-mode-it-freezes-808071/ [17:29] stiltzkin: you can use the vesa driver though.. thats what just work (or so i assume) [17:29] holstein, isn't there a proprietary nvidia driver I can install for this card? There's not really much point in me having it in the machine if I only use the vesa driver [17:30] stiltzkin: you can check with nvidia [17:30] jockey-gtk reports no available proprietary drivers [17:31] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia [17:31] stiltzkin: i would use the vesa one... or put in another card [17:33] (radiotray:9012): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Translation has an invalid value 'st-dr' for default text direction. Defaulting to left-to-right. [17:33] /usr/share/radiotray/plugins [17:33] Gnome Media Keys, Controls Radio Tray through keyboard multimedia keys, GnomeMediaKeysPlugin.py, Carlos Ribeiro [17:33] Sleep Timer, Stops playing after a predefined time, SleepTimerPlugin.py, Carlos Ribeiro [17:33] Notifications, Shows message notifications on the desktop, NotificationPlugin.py, Carlos Ribeiro [17:33] HelloWorld, This is a test plugin, HelloWorld.py, Carlos Ribeiro [17:33] started [17:33] History, Shows song history, HistoryPlugin.py, Carlos Ribeiro [17:34] i started radio tray from terminal [17:34] razvan986: you can paste output like that to pastebin [17:34] !paste [17:34] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [17:35] razvan986: i would likely just try and contact the maintainer.. the maintainer will suggest you use the package from the site instead of the repacakged version from ubuntu [17:35] ok [17:35] razvan986: you can try upgrading or downgrading the package in synaptic or the package manager of your choice [17:52] cheers [17:52] hi [17:53] Unit193, how are you today? [17:53] * kristian-T61p kids [17:53] I just had a crash and sent an error rapport via Apport [17:53] Did it also give a bug number? [17:53] ah, wait... how do I check? [17:53] I rebooted in the mean time [17:53] bug 1000000 [17:53] Launchpad bug 1000000 in Edubuntu "For every bug on Launchpad, 67 iPads are sold." [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000000 [17:54] I have gotten a few crashes, but apport never works. :P [17:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 <--- this is still my fave [17:55] Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] [17:55] Meh, it's not a real bug, so.... [17:55] I love the idea of sending bugs automatically, though [17:56] Unit193, Shuttleworth himself submitted it, I think it is real ;) [17:56] actually i just read a debian guys blog who says he hates launchpad for all the clutter [17:56] Nope, still not a real bug, doesn't change with who does it. [17:56] can I somehow increase the logging and sending of reports? [17:56] yeah debug builds [17:57] right? [17:57] ah, sorry... I meant automatically [17:57] sign up for some program... install a package [17:58] well apport tells you if your bug was already reported right? [17:59] actually, Apport kept restarting [17:59] huh that sounds bad [18:01] yes... [18:13] I want to configure my VPN. I click on the Network Manager icon --> VPN Connections --> Configure VPN. The little box pops up, but when I go to the VPN tab, the "Add" button is greyed out and I can't select it. [18:17] does ubuntu customisation kit work for lubntu [18:17] trying to create custom 12.04 cd have archives frm netboot apt cache archive folder so can i add those to the cd [18:18] this is an old thread but it might work for u [18:18] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588337 [18:18] arbolwhahine, [18:19] Thanks Kanliot. I'll give it a try. [18:29] bye :) === len is now known as Guest95465 [19:39] hello @ll, " upgrade monitor" disapeared once I clicked on "upgrade to 12.04", and now "precise" is running in the background, and I could "strace" a lot of "no such file or directory" see http://pastebin.com/ABmyft0a Should I let this "precise" stuff carry on ? [19:45] Well, you may have to fix your sources.list, and I have no idea if that's what it's supposed to do as I always use the terminal method. :/ [20:02] Unit193, I finally killed "precise" and launched sudo apt-get upgrade wiche works fine. thanks anyway ! [20:03] upgrade won't update to precise, just update current oneiric. [20:26] I'm having a problem with my hard drive filling up very fast. I noticed while troubleshooting that every directory shows, for example, 1 MB of size, but size on disk is 8 MB. Every directory shows the same, 8x's actual space taken up on the disk. I have a fairly plain, new installation and it is showing 5.02 GB of space taken up on my 8GB hard drive. Any ideas? [20:33] Hello [20:36] subman: that's a real stumper. have you tried a re-install? what processes are running? is this directories on / as well as within ~? what sort of drive? have you had similar problems on any other os? [22:01]