[00:04] <jbicha> kenvandine: seahorse 3.4 is working great here now
[00:12] <TheMuso> /cr/c
[01:18] <cyphermox> robert_ancell: hey
[01:18] <cyphermox> got your email, starting to fix this up now
[01:33] <robert_ancell> cyphermox, ta
[01:40] <cyphermox> robert_ancell:  uploaded, building now
[01:40] <cyphermox> I'll look at gnome-phone-manager tomorrow ;)
[01:41]  * cyphermox signs off, attempts signing in to D3 :P
[02:18] <RAOF> Grrrr.
[02:18] <RAOF> gnome-keyring-daemon changing its interface out from under the libraries is annoying.
[02:39] <TheMuso> RAOF: YOu mean things like the ssh agent no longer working kinda change?
[02:40] <dobey> oh fun. i bet it breaks ubuntu-sso-client again too
[02:42] <RAOF> TheMuso: Correct.
[02:43] <TheMuso> Yeah, fun times.
[02:43] <RAOF> TheMuso: And all my launchpadlib stuff not being able to find my credentials.  And evolution not finding my credentials, and seahorse showing a very odd view of my passwords.
[02:43] <TheMuso> oh ouch.
[02:44] <jbicha> RAOF: oh you don't like the new seahorse?
[02:44] <RAOF> jbicha: I'd prefer a seahorse that works :)
[02:45] <jbicha> seahorse works here...
[02:47] <RAOF> Am I the victim of mirror skew?  What seahorse version are you talking about?
[02:49] <jbicha> seahorse 3.4.1-1; it's a major redesign
[02:50]  * TheMuso sees a gnome-keyring update after syncing his local mirror.
[02:50]  * RAOF adds archive.ubuntu.com to sources.list
[02:51] <jbicha> ah, yeah, gnome-keyring, seahorse, & gcr needed to be updated at the same time
[02:52] <TheMuso> Ah yes! New gnome-keyring sees ssh agent working again.
[03:03] <RAOF> Oh, wow.  They really have changed seahorse, haven't they.
[04:02] <TheMuso> grrr something mucks up metacity settings at every reboot for my session. I have to delete the metacity gconf settings files to restore proper behavior.
[04:05] <RAOF> Would it be too much to ask for GNOME stable releases to really only fix bugs and not change behaviour?
[04:06] <TheMuso> THis is in quantal...
[04:08]  * RAOF is processing the SRU queue
[04:09] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[04:09] <TheMuso> I knew that, but was not sure if you were talking about my comment.
[04:10] <TheMuso> But stable GNOME updates changing behaviour has happened before afaik.
[04:10] <TheMuso> I don't know how it was dealt with though.
[04:21] <RAOF> Laney: You're not core-dev?!
[08:51] <Laney> RAOF: Indeed. I got the cli-mono packageset which meant that I could upload everything I needed to touch often in main.
[08:51] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[08:51] <Laney> However that is probably changing :P
[08:52] <geser> RAOF: he knows how the DMB works and avoids to start his core-dev application :)
[08:53] <Laney> actually I did start it the other day
[08:53] <Laney> you might be able to guess the URL
[08:53] <geser> oh
[08:54] <Laney> I still have a healthy fear of the DMB though …
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, now to break firefox in quantal!
[13:33] <MrChrisDruif> Go ahead...I'm using Chromium ;-)
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> i am more than happy to break that too
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> well, perhaps if i cared about it ;)
[13:43] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe, go ahead ;-) I've got still more back-up browsers =P
[13:43] <MrChrisDruif> Not the most sophisticated, but "workable" ^_^
[13:46] <MrChrisDruif> http://lifehacker.com/5911058/the-avengers-desktop
[13:46] <MrChrisDruif> Note: UBUNTU desktop
[13:47] <dobey> heh, whenever people do that sort of stuff, it always looks good until they start actually running applications that do more than background status monitoring :)
[13:48] <dobey> well, s/good/cool/
[15:01] <bcurtiswx> now that folks 0.6.9-1 is in ubuntu quantal, there is a fix in there that should make it into Precise. Do I cheery pick that fix and patch folks in precise and add an -ubuntu1 to it ?
[15:01] <bcurtiswx> cherry*
[15:02] <Laney> yeah, that works
[15:02] <bcurtiswx> mdeslaur, thanks for the sync btw :)
[15:02] <Laney> as long as precise < precise-proposed <= quantal
[15:02] <geser> bcurtiswx: -2ubuntu0.1
[15:02] <mdeslaur> bcurtiswx: np
[15:05] <bcurtiswx> geser, the quantal version is 0.6.9-1 i'm not understanding why that goes to -2
[15:05] <bcurtiswx> in precise
[15:05] <Laney> the precise version is -2
[15:05] <Laney> so -2ubuntusomething
[15:05] <Laney> 0.1 or 1 are both fine
[15:06] <geser> bcurtiswx: precise has 0.6.8-2 and the usual next version for a SRU would be 0.6.8-2ubuntu0.1
[15:07] <jbicha> or you could use 0.6.9-1~precise1 if you're just backporting from Debian/quantal
[15:07] <bcurtiswx> geser, ah yes. I was staring at my rmadison and.. lets just say these pain killers may be working REALLY well :)
[15:08] <bcurtiswx> mornin' kenvandine
[15:08] <kenvandine> good morning
[15:10] <bcurtiswx> ok im trying to pull lp:ubuntu/precise/folks but maybe since it was a sync thats not right because I received an error
[15:11] <bcurtiswx> well branch would be the right term
[15:14] <geser> that branch is the right one
[15:35] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i am on it :)
[15:35] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, give me 5 minutes
[15:48] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, im in no rush. I'm trying to do some data manupilation on lots of datasets which are each a half GB in size :)
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> w00t, closed my first WI :-)
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> so,i've nearly closed as many as last cycle already!
[17:46] <bcurtiswx> chrisccoulson, adding a WI of "Fix typo in next WI" and subsequently closing it, doesn't count.. :P
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, in empathy does edit->preferences still have a checkbox that says "automatically connect on startup" in precise? (I'm at work on an older release)
[18:35] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, yes
[18:35] <bcurtiswx> thx
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> gah, ffs
[20:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you disable thumb2 on armel while you're at it? (or I can do it over the weekend otherwise)
[20:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i disabled it last week
[20:02] <micahg> oh, hrm
[20:03] <micahg> I guess I'll have to dig at some point this cycle (shouldn't matter for older releases, so no rush)
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/1217
[20:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, I thought I saw that :), still seems to be unhappy, so probably just needs a patch somewhere, no rush though
[22:18] <jbrett> anyone here want to help me triage an apparent gdk problem, so that I may file a more intelligent bug report than "mouse gets stuck"? :)  I guess I'll just explain, and then you can tell me to go to #ubuntu if asking here isn't appropriate..
[22:19] <jbrett> so, since my 12.04 upgrade, at least a couple times a day, I'll get into this mode where the window I'm using seems to grab the focus, and won't let go.  I.e. I can move around the desktop, but I can't select or type into any other window.
[22:20] <jbrett> whenever I click on another window, I get an entry in ~/.xsession-errors saying "Gdk-CRITICAL**: IA__gdk_window_get_events: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed"
[22:21] <jbrett> then two following "g_object_ref" and "g_object_unref" G_IS_OBJECT failed assertions, presumably from the same presumed object.
[22:22] <jbrett> what component/package do I file this against?
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> jbrett, if you run the particular application with G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals, that will make the application abort on those error messages
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> then you can get a stacktrace
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> (as described https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace)
[22:24] <jbrett> hmm, ok.  I never know which application it's going to be, but I guess I can just run the whole desktop with that variable.
[22:25] <jbrett> i.e. it's not application specific.  This time, it happened to occur while I was in xchat, so I can type this :)
[22:25] <jbrett> sometimes it's chrome, sometimes it's gnome-terminal, etc...
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> jbrett, sounds more like a compiz or unity bug then tbh ;)
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> i thought it was just an issue with a specific application
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> but if not, then that's more difficult ;)
[22:34] <bryceh> yeah was going to say sounds like a window manager issue
[22:34] <bryceh> jbrett, tried it with unity2d or gnome fallback?
[22:34] <jbrett> yeah, it's not specific to compiz or unity though.  I tried killing unity/compiz and running metacity --replace, and the same thing happens in metacity after a few minutes.
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> jbrett, how do you normally recover it?
[22:35] <jbrett> so it's some underlying library thing, I guess, I just don't have a clue which library to start with.
[22:35] <jbrett> I reboot :)
[22:36] <jbrett> I'm tempted to blame the nvidia driver.
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> jbrett, have you checked if there are any suspicious errors in dmesg?
[22:36] <jbrett> yes, nothing in dmesg or syslog.
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> :(
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> that sucks
[22:36] <jbrett> the only place I can find any errors that make sense is in ~/.xsession-errors.
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure what else to suggest. that's not really my area of expertise
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> perhaps bryceh has some more ideas :)
[22:37] <bryceh> well, xorg would be my next idea ;-)
[22:37] <bryceh> so yeah, feel free to `ubuntu-bug xorg`, and if it's not xorg it can be moved from there
[22:38] <jbrett> ok, I'll do that and see where it goes :)
[22:38] <jbrett> thanks
[22:38] <bryceh> jbrett, I hope it's not the nvidia driver though; that's obviously rather hard to fix...
[22:38] <jbrett> no kidding.
[22:38] <bryceh> if you do suspect -nvidia, try purging it and booting with just -nouveau
[22:38] <jbrett> unfortunately, nouveau won't even recognize my card.
[22:39] <jbrett> I'm running the identical config on another machine with nouveau, and don't see this problem, that's why I'm suspicious.
[22:39] <bryceh> yep, well so much for that idea :-)
[22:40] <jbrett> "identical config" means a 12.04 install with rsync'd /home -- obviously not completely identical, and different hardware..
[22:46] <bryceh> well, it's not an issue we've had many reports on (that I know of), and if it was a widespread bug I'm sure people would be reporting it; sounds pretty annoying.  So it's likely something peculiar either with your hardware or your install (or just a really obscure bug)
[22:51] <jbrett> yeah, I spent quite a while trying to figure out what was messed up with my config -- that's why I duplicated it on another machine.
[22:51] <jbrett> but something could obviously be mucked up with the install/upgrade.
[22:57] <bryceh> jbrett, yeah took a look thru all the nvidia reports we got for precise; none about mouse focus