[15:13] <cnd> johanbr, yes, multitouch gestures should work on all multitouch trackpads
[15:28] <johanbr> cnd, oh... they don't work for me on a synaptics clickpad
[15:28] <cnd> johanbr, are you sure your clickpad is multitouch?
[15:28] <cnd> xinput list --long | pastebinit
[15:29] <johanbr> it's advertised as such anyway...
[15:29] <johanbr> alright, just a sec
[15:30] <johanbr> hmm, xchat crashed on me...
[15:31] <johanbr> cnd, http://paste.ubuntu.com/992536/
[15:31] <cnd> johanbr, ok, it's multitouch, but it only provides two touches
[15:31] <cnd> which synaptics doesn't let through if you have two-touch scrolling or tap-to-click enabled
[15:32] <johanbr> oh, I see, that explains things...
[15:32] <cnd> notice the "Max number of touches"
[15:32] <johanbr> right...
[15:33] <cnd> feel free to complain to Synaptics :)
[15:34] <johanbr> :)
[15:37] <johanbr> but thank you for the explanation!
[16:46] <JanC> cnd: does that mean people get more or less functionality if they disable 2-touch scrolling & tap-to-click?
[16:46] <JanC> or just different functionality?
[16:50] <cnd> JanC, well, not many applications have support for two-touch gestures yet
[16:50] <cnd> so the answer right now is that you get less functionality
[17:02] <JanC> or that it depends on the applications you use, I suppose
[17:02] <JanC> but less on average
[17:03] <JanC> wouldn't it be possible to implement "general gestures" (like scrolling) using some automatic compatibility layer?
[17:18] <cnd> JanC, heh, yes
[17:18] <cnd> we've been trying to think of sane ways to do that
[17:18] <cnd> from ld preload wrappers
[17:18] <cnd> to inserting logic into core X client libraries
[17:18] <cnd> to other terrible things that one should never do
[17:19] <cnd> alternatively, we could just support mainstream toolkits like qt and gtk and leave the rest to wallow in their unscrollingness
[17:19] <cnd> but we'd have to support ff, lo, chromium, too
[17:26] <JanC> I think that e.g. Windows mouse drivers for early scroll mice did some emulation like that, but I don't remember whether they used emulated keypresses (for scrolling) or something else
[22:15] <bryceh> mlankhor1t, RAOF, tjaalton: ppa for the lts backports @ https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport
[22:15] <bryceh> I added timg so he can start pumping in kernels