| ochosi | pleia2: is there a second page or is it really just the app-selection? | 00:19 |
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| pleia2 | ochosi: there are 4 pages to the article | 01:36 |
| GridCube | :D | 01:45 |
| GridCube | yes is pretty nice | 01:45 |
| GridCube | i like that last app recomendation | 01:45 |
| GridCube | nightdale | 01:45 |
| laite | ochosi: I created branch 'BBird-laite' and pushed my modification for simpler close-icons | 06:01 |
| laite | I think it looks pretty nice, but of course there's the question of tradition/continuity with Bluebird-theme | 06:02 |
| ochosi | laite: right. well we'll see. i don't think tradition should matter all that much, the most important thing to me is if it's maintained properly :) | 07:29 |
| ochosi | laite: (and since it's git, people can always download the "original" window borders) | 07:30 |
| ochosi | one more note: for theme-development stuff you might also head over to #shimmer, that's where our commit-bot is running and where we usually discuss fine-tuning of themes | 07:30 |
| laite | k, cool | 07:45 |
| laite | If somebody wants to say an opinion, here's pic with old buttons: i.imgur.com/CMTU0.png and here's the same picture with simpler close-button: i.imgur.com/skcrF.jpg | 07:47 |
| ochosi | what are those funny faces in the right-top corner? :) | 07:48 |
| Unit193 | (Little bit of NSFW warning on the second) | 07:48 |
| laite | ochosi: I have no idea =D | 07:49 |
| ochosi | heh | 07:49 |
| chelz | i kinda like the old buttons | 07:49 |
| ochosi | laite: you also seem to have quite a funny screen-resolution (or is it cropped?) | 07:49 |
| chelz | but i always change themes anyway | 07:49 |
| chelz | kapy terry everywhere | 07:50 |
| laite | ochosi: it's cropped, my workspace is 2x(1920x1080) | 07:50 |
| ochosi | laite: oh right, that makes more sense | 07:50 |
| laite | One (obvious) idea: since xubuntu is considered 'newbie-friendly' distro, could it have something similar on first boot that mint currently has - dialog with a lot of options for newcomers who don't know what to do with linux and how | 09:05 |
| laite | http://tinyurl.com/d25w7xr | 09:06 |
| laite | ^pic of linux mint's welcome-dialog | 09:06 |
| baizon | not needed imo | 09:30 |
| ochosi | not a totally bad idea | 09:33 |
| ochosi | but kinda windowsy, those welcome-screens | 09:34 |
| baizon | yes | 09:34 |
| baizon | windows xp got it | 09:34 |
| baizon | but was droped with vista and 7 | 09:34 |
| baizon | 90% wont look at it | 09:34 |
| baizon | the first thing i did installing mint was disabling that window :D | 09:34 |
| baizon | it would be kinda nice "help" window | 09:35 |
| baizon | or "about" | 09:35 |
| laite | I agree that (at least) 90% close and disable it immediately without even looking, just remembered my own first installation of linux and the 'ok, I've got os running - what do I do now?'-feeling I got | 09:36 |
| laite | when everything is new and scary :P | 09:36 |
| baizon | even when i first got the xp installation i didnt watch at the welcome window | 09:37 |
| baizon | nobody likes to read, people like to test / learn :) | 09:37 |
| laite | yeah, but that was truly horrible with animated windows and everything =D | 09:37 |
| laite | and it seemed to load forever | 09:37 |
| baizon | yes thats why i think this window would do great as help or about, but not as a "welcome screen" | 09:38 |
| laite | right | 09:38 |
| ochosi | well yeah, we have to do something about our help and doc anyway... | 09:46 |
| laite | in roadmap there is 'Refresh the offline documentation ', but what exactly and where is this documentation? | 09:52 |
| laite | I've deleted 'help'-item from my main menu *blush* | 09:52 |
| laite | I looked into mintwelcome (https://github.com/linuxmint/mintwelcome) and it's a quite simple python program, shouldn't be too hard to do something similar | 09:55 |
| ochosi | mhm | 10:11 |
| ochosi | well the thing is that atm the xfce doc is in a wiki | 10:11 |
| ochosi | (before it was in mallard) | 10:12 |
| ochosi | so they keep their doc online-only | 10:12 |
| ochosi | the question is whether we want to ship a static version | 10:12 |
| ochosi | and if we do, whether it should be in wiki-form | 10:13 |
| bluesabre_laptop | ochosi: Wanna have a look at the GTK3 catfish with zeitgeist suggestions? https://launchpad.net/catfish-gtk3 | 11:19 |
| ochosi | bluesabre_laptop: woot, you mean you actually already started?? | 11:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre_laptop: ok, the gtk3 part looks great | 11:38 |
| ochosi | i don't get any suggestions yet | 11:39 |
| ochosi | do i need extra stuff for that? | 11:39 |
| ochosi | (already have zeitgeist and activity journal installed) | 11:39 |
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| ochosi | btw, one really easy thing to fix would be to search when hitting enter (when the gtkentry has focus) | 11:40 |
| ochosi | another would be to have the home-folder selected as default search location instead of catfish's own folder (which is kinda useless imo) | 11:40 |
| ochosi | oooh, now i do get suggestions | 11:41 |
| ochosi | great stuff! | 11:41 |
| ochosi | still getting quite a few warnings: | 11:42 |
| ochosi | (catfish.pyc:6524): Gtk-WARNING **: /build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.4.1/./gtk/gtkliststore.c:851: Unable to convert from gint to glong | 11:42 |
| ochosi | (and the mimetype icons aren't found, but that's not so important) | 11:43 |
| bluesabre_laptop | yeah, I was going to fix each of those things that you just mentioned. That's just what I threw together overnight. A lot of what is displayed to terminal would probably be displayed by the gtk2 version too. I added some extra output for temp debugging | 11:48 |
| ochosi | yeah, but really, this is so cool! :) | 11:49 |
| bluesabre_laptop | awesome | 11:49 |
| ochosi | i'm a huge fan already | 11:49 |
| ochosi | i think with a few UI tweaks this will be a great step forward | 11:50 |
| ochosi | i'll draw up a quick mockup | 11:50 |
| bluesabre_laptop | Good to hear. Let me know any suggestions you have for the UI. For this, I just tried to get a working clone | 11:50 |
| bluesabre_laptop | cool | 11:50 |
| bluesabre_laptop | doesn't have to be too quick. I won't be back online for at least an hour | 11:50 |
| bluesabre_laptop | :D | 11:50 |
| ochosi | heh | 11:51 |
| ochosi | well i'll go out to play boccia in an hour or so | 11:51 |
| ochosi | i'm thinking something like appfinder | 11:52 |
| ochosi | very minimal | 11:52 |
| ochosi | and then the results-window pops up underneath the searchbar | 11:52 |
| ochosi | (not entirely sure yet, just an idea) | 11:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre_laptop: something very simple maybe: http://imagebin.org/212684 | 12:05 |
| ochosi | basically the menu-button on the top-right would reveal the settings that the sidebar currently shows | 12:05 |
| ochosi | oops, i forgot to add the "folder-to-search-in"-widget... | 12:05 |
| ochosi | better now: http://imagebin.org/212685 | 12:08 |
| ochosi | the sidebar could also be shown/hidden with an arrow-button (instead of the properties/menu-button) | 12:09 |
| ochosi | but really, a lot of buttons/widgets have to go from the sidebar | 12:09 |
| ochosi | the close-button, the find-button, and the catfish-title at least | 12:09 |
| ochosi | (at a later point, we could throw this in a panel-plugin, that'd be really kewl) | 12:15 |
| ochosi | bbl | 12:38 |
| bluesabre | I'm back | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I like that mockup (and I'm sure the elementary team would love it). That would be easy to implement, I'm sure. | 12:56 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Another option would be to have an "advanced" button next to the search box that would unhide a second toolbar with the settings. But the AppMenu is probably a better option. | 13:13 |
| knome | bluesabre, re: python3, we're following ubuntu on what they do, but that's not one of our specific goals | 14:02 |
| bluesabre | Cool. Thanks for getting back to me knome | 14:03 |
| knome | no problem, just got home from summer cottage | 14:03 |
| knome | i think generally the stance about 4.10 should be exaclty "unless you really need it, don't install it" | 14:33 |
| knome | ok, bbl | 15:19 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I think the new InfoBar widget might be useful to display while the search is running. Just show that the search is in progress, and have the cancel button there. Thoughts? | 15:24 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: hmm, infobar is always a good idea yes, but i'm not sure it's ideal for progress | 15:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: but i'll try to include that in a mockup, then it's easier to imagine/think about it | 15:44 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, not so much for displaying progress as saying * Search in progress... [Cancel] | 15:47 |
| ochosi | ok right | 15:47 |
| ochosi | well the "classical" thing to do would be add a gtk-spinner somewhere | 15:47 |
| ochosi | but that's usually not in an infobar | 15:47 |
| bluesabre | true | 15:49 |
| ochosi | maybe the most elegant place to position the spinner would be the results window | 15:50 |
| ochosi | ah wait, no i have to draw a mockup of that first :) | 15:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: theoretically you could throw the spinner and the cancel button inside the search-gtk-entry | 16:12 |
| bluesabre | hmmm | 16:12 |
| ochosi | too much? | 16:13 |
| bluesabre | hadn't thought of that | 16:13 |
| ochosi | i mean the cancel-button could just replace the searchglass | 16:13 |
| bluesabre | right | 16:13 |
| bluesabre | I could do that | 16:13 |
| ochosi | that would kinda make sense to me | 16:13 |
| ochosi | i guess progressbars don't make sense in this context, hm? | 16:13 |
| bluesabre | nope | 16:14 |
| bluesabre | unless you use one of the silly bouncing ones | 16:14 |
| ochosi | cause then you could do it like web-browsers do to indicate the page-load process | 16:14 |
| bluesabre | but those rarely make sense | 16:14 |
| ochosi | hehe, no, those are really silly :) | 16:14 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: a quick mockup of how i's imagine a panel-plugin: http://imagebin.org/212727 | 16:22 |
| ochosi | in this case it would have to be a kind of "global" search (or maybe a search of /home) | 16:23 |
| ochosi | cause i think a folder-combo would be a bit too much there | 16:23 |
| bluesabre | I agree | 16:23 |
| bluesabre | but that does look cool | 16:23 |
| ochosi | the borders aren't really perfect yet | 16:23 |
| ochosi | in fact it should be possible to abuse the UI code of the linelight-plugin for that | 16:24 |
| ochosi | it's pretty similar iirc | 16:24 |
| bluesabre | sounds promising | 16:26 |
| ochosi | it's this one: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-linelight-plugin | 16:29 |
| ochosi | meh, of course i can't install it here because it's still built against the old panel :( | 16:30 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: it's in the ppa afaik | 17:21 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: aha. strange then | 17:21 |
| mr_pouit | (the only one that uses some api removed from libxfce4util 4.10 :p) | 17:22 |
| ochosi | meh | 17:22 |
| ochosi | yeah, i mean it's not soo useful, it never worked so well | 17:22 |
| ochosi | i just wanted to look at it again to see whether there's anything we can use for a potential catfish-panel-plugin | 17:23 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: so i assume you've already commenced to work hard on the display dialog refresh? :D | 17:24 |
| ochosi | there's in fact one thing i forgot in the mockups: a "reload display-list"-button | 17:25 |
| ochosi | also: we could pop up huge numbers ("1", "2") on the displays with the respective numbers, so users could more easily identify them | 17:29 |
| mr_pouit | no, I didn't start :p | 17:41 |
| knome | heh, today we beat ScottL's country ;) | 17:51 |
| knome | have i missed something from the blueprints already registered in launchpad? | 18:18 |
| knome | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu shows a quick tree to access them all | 18:18 |
| knome | (i'm mostly referring to the work items, is there something obvious missing) | 18:18 |
| bramwelt | d/win 3 | 21:31 |
| pleia2 | astraljava: we should chat soon about qa/testing stuff (I learned lots at UDS!) | 21:38 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 21:38 |
| knome | don't do that on saturday, i'm going to be offline for most for the day | 21:39 |
| knome | well, until 7pm-10pm UTC most probably | 21:39 |
| knome | but i'm going to be dead tired when i get back ;) | 21:39 |
| pleia2 | the weekend following is a holiday weekend in the states and I'll be out of town | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | but I'll be around this sunday | 21:41 |
| knome | sunday should work relatively fine | 21:42 |
| Unit193 | Wait, it is? | 21:42 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: memorial day weekend | 21:42 |
| Unit193 | Sweetness! We may be going out of town! | 21:43 |
| pleia2 | no no, I am going out of town, you are staying here with Xubuntu :) | 21:45 |
| knome | haha | 21:45 |
| knome | WITH ME | 21:45 |
| Unit193 | ...I'm getting message pop up sounds, so weird. | 21:45 |
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