[00:19] pleia2: is there a second page or is it really just the app-selection? === gridcube_ is now known as 17SAA5TYR === 17SAA5TYR is now known as gridcube_ === gridcube_ is now known as GridCube [01:36] ochosi: there are 4 pages to the article [01:45] :D [01:45] yes is pretty nice [01:45] i like that last app recomendation [01:45] nightdale [06:01] ochosi: I created branch 'BBird-laite' and pushed my modification for simpler close-icons [06:02] I think it looks pretty nice, but of course there's the question of tradition/continuity with Bluebird-theme [07:29] laite: right. well we'll see. i don't think tradition should matter all that much, the most important thing to me is if it's maintained properly :) [07:30] laite: (and since it's git, people can always download the "original" window borders) [07:30] one more note: for theme-development stuff you might also head over to #shimmer, that's where our commit-bot is running and where we usually discuss fine-tuning of themes [07:45] k, cool [07:47] If somebody wants to say an opinion, here's pic with old buttons: i.imgur.com/CMTU0.png and here's the same picture with simpler close-button: i.imgur.com/skcrF.jpg [07:48] what are those funny faces in the right-top corner? :) [07:48] (Little bit of NSFW warning on the second) [07:49] ochosi: I have no idea =D [07:49] heh [07:49] i kinda like the old buttons [07:49] laite: you also seem to have quite a funny screen-resolution (or is it cropped?) [07:49] but i always change themes anyway [07:50] kapy terry everywhere [07:50] ochosi: it's cropped, my workspace is 2x(1920x1080) [07:50] laite: oh right, that makes more sense [09:05] One (obvious) idea: since xubuntu is considered 'newbie-friendly' distro, could it have something similar on first boot that mint currently has - dialog with a lot of options for newcomers who don't know what to do with linux and how [09:06] http://tinyurl.com/d25w7xr [09:06] ^pic of linux mint's welcome-dialog [09:30] not needed imo [09:33] not a totally bad idea [09:34] but kinda windowsy, those welcome-screens [09:34] yes [09:34] windows xp got it [09:34] but was droped with vista and 7 [09:34] 90% wont look at it [09:34] the first thing i did installing mint was disabling that window :D [09:35] it would be kinda nice "help" window [09:35] or "about" [09:36] I agree that (at least) 90% close and disable it immediately without even looking, just remembered my own first installation of linux and the 'ok, I've got os running - what do I do now?'-feeling I got [09:36] when everything is new and scary :P [09:37] even when i first got the xp installation i didnt watch at the welcome window [09:37] nobody likes to read, people like to test / learn :) [09:37] yeah, but that was truly horrible with animated windows and everything =D [09:37] and it seemed to load forever [09:38] yes thats why i think this window would do great as help or about, but not as a "welcome screen" [09:38] right [09:46] well yeah, we have to do something about our help and doc anyway... [09:52] in roadmap there is 'Refresh the offline documentation ', but what exactly and where is this documentation? [09:52] I've deleted 'help'-item from my main menu *blush* [09:55] I looked into mintwelcome (https://github.com/linuxmint/mintwelcome) and it's a quite simple python program, shouldn't be too hard to do something similar [10:11] mhm [10:11] well the thing is that atm the xfce doc is in a wiki [10:12] (before it was in mallard) [10:12] so they keep their doc online-only [10:12] the question is whether we want to ship a static version [10:13] and if we do, whether it should be in wiki-form [11:19] ochosi: Wanna have a look at the GTK3 catfish with zeitgeist suggestions? https://launchpad.net/catfish-gtk3 [11:35] bluesabre_laptop: woot, you mean you actually already started?? [11:38] bluesabre_laptop: ok, the gtk3 part looks great [11:39] i don't get any suggestions yet [11:39] do i need extra stuff for that? [11:39] (already have zeitgeist and activity journal installed) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:40] btw, one really easy thing to fix would be to search when hitting enter (when the gtkentry has focus) [11:40] another would be to have the home-folder selected as default search location instead of catfish's own folder (which is kinda useless imo) [11:41] oooh, now i do get suggestions [11:41] great stuff! [11:42] still getting quite a few warnings: [11:42] (catfish.pyc:6524): Gtk-WARNING **: /build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.4.1/./gtk/gtkliststore.c:851: Unable to convert from gint to glong [11:43] (and the mimetype icons aren't found, but that's not so important) [11:48] yeah, I was going to fix each of those things that you just mentioned. That's just what I threw together overnight. A lot of what is displayed to terminal would probably be displayed by the gtk2 version too. I added some extra output for temp debugging [11:49] yeah, but really, this is so cool! :) [11:49] awesome [11:49] i'm a huge fan already [11:50] i think with a few UI tweaks this will be a great step forward [11:50] i'll draw up a quick mockup [11:50] Good to hear. Let me know any suggestions you have for the UI. For this, I just tried to get a working clone [11:50] cool [11:50] doesn't have to be too quick. I won't be back online for at least an hour [11:50] :D [11:51] heh [11:51] well i'll go out to play boccia in an hour or so [11:52] i'm thinking something like appfinder [11:52] very minimal [11:52] and then the results-window pops up underneath the searchbar [11:52] (not entirely sure yet, just an idea) [12:05] bluesabre_laptop: something very simple maybe: http://imagebin.org/212684 [12:05] basically the menu-button on the top-right would reveal the settings that the sidebar currently shows [12:05] oops, i forgot to add the "folder-to-search-in"-widget... [12:08] better now: http://imagebin.org/212685 [12:09] the sidebar could also be shown/hidden with an arrow-button (instead of the properties/menu-button) [12:09] but really, a lot of buttons/widgets have to go from the sidebar [12:09] the close-button, the find-button, and the catfish-title at least [12:15] (at a later point, we could throw this in a panel-plugin, that'd be really kewl) [12:38] bbl [12:52] I'm back [12:56] ochosi: I like that mockup (and I'm sure the elementary team would love it). That would be easy to implement, I'm sure. [13:13] ochosi: Another option would be to have an "advanced" button next to the search box that would unhide a second toolbar with the settings. But the AppMenu is probably a better option. [14:02] bluesabre, re: python3, we're following ubuntu on what they do, but that's not one of our specific goals [14:03] Cool. Thanks for getting back to me knome [14:03] no problem, just got home from summer cottage [14:33] i think generally the stance about 4.10 should be exaclty "unless you really need it, don't install it" [15:19] ok, bbl [15:24] ochosi: I think the new InfoBar widget might be useful to display while the search is running. Just show that the search is in progress, and have the cancel button there. Thoughts? [15:44] bluesabre: hmm, infobar is always a good idea yes, but i'm not sure it's ideal for progress [15:44] bluesabre: but i'll try to include that in a mockup, then it's easier to imagine/think about it [15:47] ochosi, not so much for displaying progress as saying * Search in progress... [Cancel] [15:47] ok right [15:47] well the "classical" thing to do would be add a gtk-spinner somewhere [15:47] but that's usually not in an infobar [15:49] true [15:50] maybe the most elegant place to position the spinner would be the results window [15:50] ah wait, no i have to draw a mockup of that first :) [16:12] bluesabre: theoretically you could throw the spinner and the cancel button inside the search-gtk-entry [16:12] hmmm [16:13] too much? [16:13] hadn't thought of that [16:13] i mean the cancel-button could just replace the searchglass [16:13] right [16:13] I could do that [16:13] that would kinda make sense to me [16:13] i guess progressbars don't make sense in this context, hm? [16:14] nope [16:14] unless you use one of the silly bouncing ones [16:14] cause then you could do it like web-browsers do to indicate the page-load process [16:14] but those rarely make sense [16:14] hehe, no, those are really silly :) [16:22] bluesabre: a quick mockup of how i's imagine a panel-plugin: http://imagebin.org/212727 [16:23] in this case it would have to be a kind of "global" search (or maybe a search of /home) [16:23] cause i think a folder-combo would be a bit too much there [16:23] I agree [16:23] but that does look cool [16:23] the borders aren't really perfect yet [16:24] in fact it should be possible to abuse the UI code of the linelight-plugin for that [16:24] it's pretty similar iirc [16:26] sounds promising [16:29] it's this one: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-linelight-plugin [16:30] meh, of course i can't install it here because it's still built against the old panel :( [17:21] ochosi: it's in the ppa afaik [17:21] mr_pouit: aha. strange then [17:22] (the only one that uses some api removed from libxfce4util 4.10 :p) [17:22] meh [17:22] yeah, i mean it's not soo useful, it never worked so well [17:23] i just wanted to look at it again to see whether there's anything we can use for a potential catfish-panel-plugin [17:24] mr_pouit: so i assume you've already commenced to work hard on the display dialog refresh? :D [17:25] there's in fact one thing i forgot in the mockups: a "reload display-list"-button [17:29] also: we could pop up huge numbers ("1", "2") on the displays with the respective numbers, so users could more easily identify them [17:41] no, I didn't start :p [17:51] heh, today we beat ScottL's country ;) [18:18] have i missed something from the blueprints already registered in launchpad? [18:18] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu shows a quick tree to access them all [18:18] (i'm mostly referring to the work items, is there something obvious missing) [21:31] d/win 3 [21:38] astraljava: we should chat soon about qa/testing stuff (I learned lots at UDS!) [21:38] mm-hmm [21:39] don't do that on saturday, i'm going to be offline for most for the day [21:39] well, until 7pm-10pm UTC most probably [21:39] but i'm going to be dead tired when i get back ;) [21:41] the weekend following is a holiday weekend in the states and I'll be out of town [21:41] but I'll be around this sunday [21:42] sunday should work relatively fine [21:42] Wait, it is? [21:42] Unit193: memorial day weekend [21:43] Sweetness! We may be going out of town! [21:45] no no, I am going out of town, you are staying here with Xubuntu :) [21:45] haha [21:45] WITH ME [21:45] ...I'm getting message pop up sounds, so weird.