[00:19] <ochosi> pleia2: is there a second page or is it really just the app-selection?
[01:36] <pleia2> ochosi: there are 4 pages to the article
[01:45] <GridCube> :D
[01:45] <GridCube> yes is pretty nice
[01:45] <GridCube> i like that last app recomendation
[01:45] <GridCube> nightdale
[06:01] <laite> ochosi: I created branch 'BBird-laite' and pushed my modification for simpler close-icons
[06:02] <laite> I think it looks pretty nice, but of course there's the question of tradition/continuity with Bluebird-theme
[07:29] <ochosi> laite: right. well we'll see. i don't think tradition should matter all that much, the most important thing to me is if it's maintained properly :)
[07:30] <ochosi> laite: (and since it's git, people can always download the "original" window borders)
[07:30] <ochosi> one more note: for theme-development stuff you might also head over to #shimmer, that's where our commit-bot is running and where we usually discuss fine-tuning of themes
[07:45] <laite> k, cool
[07:47] <laite> If somebody wants to say an opinion, here's pic with old buttons: i.imgur.com/CMTU0.png and here's the same picture with simpler close-button: i.imgur.com/skcrF.jpg
[07:48] <ochosi> what are those funny faces in the right-top corner? :)
[07:48] <Unit193> (Little bit of NSFW warning on the second)
[07:49] <laite> ochosi: I have no idea =D
[07:49] <ochosi> heh
[07:49] <chelz> i kinda like the old buttons
[07:49] <ochosi> laite: you also seem to have quite a funny screen-resolution (or is it cropped?)
[07:49] <chelz> but i always change themes anyway
[07:50] <chelz> kapy terry everywhere
[07:50] <laite> ochosi: it's cropped, my workspace is 2x(1920x1080)
[07:50] <ochosi> laite: oh right, that makes more sense
[09:05] <laite> One (obvious) idea: since xubuntu is considered 'newbie-friendly' distro, could it have something similar on first boot that mint currently has - dialog with a lot of options for newcomers who don't know what to do with linux and how
[09:06] <laite> http://tinyurl.com/d25w7xr
[09:06] <laite> ^pic of linux mint's welcome-dialog
[09:30] <baizon> not needed imo
[09:33] <ochosi> not a totally bad idea
[09:34] <ochosi> but kinda windowsy, those welcome-screens
[09:34] <baizon> yes
[09:34] <baizon> windows xp got it
[09:34] <baizon> but was droped with vista and 7
[09:34] <baizon> 90% wont look at it
[09:34] <baizon> the first thing i did installing mint was disabling that window :D
[09:35] <baizon> it would be kinda nice "help" window
[09:35] <baizon> or "about"
[09:36] <laite> I agree that (at least) 90% close and disable it immediately without even looking, just remembered my own first installation of linux and the 'ok, I've got os running - what do I do now?'-feeling I got
[09:36] <laite> when everything is new and scary :P
[09:37] <baizon> even when i first got the xp installation i didnt watch at the welcome window
[09:37] <baizon> nobody likes to read, people like to test / learn :)
[09:37] <laite> yeah, but that was truly horrible with animated windows and everything =D
[09:37] <laite> and it seemed to load forever
[09:38] <baizon> yes thats why i think this window would do great as help or about, but not as a "welcome screen"
[09:38] <laite> right
[09:46] <ochosi> well yeah, we have to do something about our help and doc anyway...
[09:52] <laite> in roadmap there is 'Refresh the offline documentation ', but what exactly and where is this documentation?
[09:52] <laite> I've deleted 'help'-item from my main menu *blush*
[09:55] <laite> I looked into mintwelcome (https://github.com/linuxmint/mintwelcome) and it's a quite simple python program, shouldn't be too hard to do something similar
[10:11] <ochosi> mhm
[10:11] <ochosi> well the thing is that atm the xfce doc is in a wiki
[10:12] <ochosi> (before it was in mallard)
[10:12] <ochosi> so they keep their doc online-only
[10:12] <ochosi> the question is whether we want to ship a static version
[10:13] <ochosi> and if we do, whether it should be in wiki-form
[11:19] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: Wanna have a look at the GTK3 catfish with zeitgeist suggestions?  https://launchpad.net/catfish-gtk3
[11:35] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: woot, you mean you actually already started??
[11:38] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: ok, the gtk3 part looks great
[11:39] <ochosi> i don't get any suggestions yet
[11:39] <ochosi> do i need extra stuff for that?
[11:39] <ochosi> (already have zeitgeist and activity journal installed)
[11:40] <ochosi> btw, one really easy thing to fix would be to search when hitting enter (when the gtkentry has focus)
[11:40] <ochosi> another would be to have the home-folder selected as default search location instead of catfish's own folder (which is kinda useless imo)
[11:41] <ochosi> oooh, now i do get suggestions
[11:41] <ochosi> great stuff!
[11:42] <ochosi> still getting quite a few warnings:
[11:42] <ochosi> (catfish.pyc:6524): Gtk-WARNING **: /build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.4.1/./gtk/gtkliststore.c:851: Unable to convert from gint to glong
[11:43] <ochosi> (and the mimetype icons aren't found, but that's not so important)
[11:48] <bluesabre_laptop> yeah, I was going to fix each of those things that you just mentioned.  That's just what I threw together overnight. A lot of what is displayed to terminal would probably be displayed by the gtk2 version too.  I added some extra output for temp debugging
[11:49] <ochosi> yeah, but really, this is so cool! :)
[11:49] <bluesabre_laptop> awesome
[11:49] <ochosi> i'm a huge fan already
[11:50] <ochosi> i think with a few UI tweaks this will be a great step forward
[11:50] <ochosi> i'll draw up a quick mockup
[11:50] <bluesabre_laptop> Good to hear.  Let me know any suggestions you have for the UI.  For this, I just tried to get a working clone
[11:50] <bluesabre_laptop> cool
[11:50] <bluesabre_laptop> doesn't have to be too quick.  I won't be back online for at least an hour
[11:50] <bluesabre_laptop> :D
[11:51] <ochosi> heh
[11:51] <ochosi> well i'll go out to play boccia in an hour or so
[11:52] <ochosi> i'm thinking something like appfinder
[11:52] <ochosi> very minimal
[11:52] <ochosi> and then the results-window pops up underneath the searchbar
[11:52] <ochosi> (not entirely sure yet, just an idea)
[12:05] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: something very simple maybe: http://imagebin.org/212684
[12:05] <ochosi> basically the menu-button on the top-right would reveal the settings that the sidebar currently shows
[12:05] <ochosi> oops, i forgot to add the "folder-to-search-in"-widget...
[12:08] <ochosi> better now: http://imagebin.org/212685
[12:09] <ochosi> the sidebar could also be shown/hidden with an arrow-button (instead of the properties/menu-button)
[12:09] <ochosi> but really, a lot of buttons/widgets have to go from the sidebar
[12:09] <ochosi> the close-button, the find-button, and the catfish-title at least
[12:15] <ochosi> (at a later point, we could throw this in a panel-plugin, that'd be really kewl)
[12:38] <ochosi> bbl
[12:52] <bluesabre> I'm back
[12:56] <bluesabre> ochosi: I like that mockup (and I'm sure the elementary team would love it).  That would be easy to implement, I'm sure.
[13:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: Another option would be to have an "advanced" button next to the search box that would unhide a second toolbar with the settings.  But the AppMenu is probably a better option.
[14:02] <knome> bluesabre, re: python3, we're following ubuntu on what they do, but that's not one of our specific goals
[14:03] <bluesabre> Cool.  Thanks for getting back to me knome
[14:03] <knome> no problem, just got home from summer cottage
[14:33] <knome> i think generally the stance about 4.10 should be exaclty "unless you really need it, don't install it"
[15:19] <knome> ok, bbl
[15:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: I think the new InfoBar widget might be useful to display while the search is running.  Just show that the search is in progress, and have the cancel button there.  Thoughts?
[15:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmm, infobar is always a good idea yes, but i'm not sure it's ideal for progress
[15:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: but i'll try to include that in a mockup, then it's easier to imagine/think about it
[15:47] <bluesabre> ochosi, not so much for displaying progress as saying * Search in progress...      [Cancel]
[15:47] <ochosi> ok right
[15:47] <ochosi> well the "classical" thing to do would be add a gtk-spinner somewhere
[15:47] <ochosi> but that's usually not in an infobar
[15:49] <bluesabre> true
[15:50] <ochosi> maybe the most elegant place to position the spinner would be the results window
[15:50] <ochosi> ah wait, no i have to draw a mockup of that first :)
[16:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: theoretically you could throw the spinner and the cancel button inside the search-gtk-entry
[16:12] <bluesabre> hmmm
[16:13] <ochosi> too much?
[16:13] <bluesabre> hadn't thought of that
[16:13] <ochosi> i mean the cancel-button could just replace the searchglass
[16:13] <bluesabre> right
[16:13] <bluesabre> I could do that
[16:13] <ochosi> that would kinda make sense to me
[16:13] <ochosi> i guess progressbars don't make sense in this context, hm?
[16:14] <bluesabre> nope
[16:14] <bluesabre> unless you use one of the silly bouncing ones
[16:14] <ochosi> cause then you could do it like web-browsers do to indicate the page-load process
[16:14] <bluesabre> but those rarely make sense
[16:14] <ochosi> hehe, no, those are really silly :)
[16:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: a quick mockup of how i's imagine a panel-plugin: http://imagebin.org/212727
[16:23] <ochosi> in this case it would have to be a kind of "global" search (or maybe a search of /home)
[16:23] <ochosi> cause i think a folder-combo would be a bit too much there
[16:23] <bluesabre> I agree
[16:23] <bluesabre> but that does look cool
[16:23] <ochosi> the borders aren't really perfect yet
[16:24] <ochosi> in fact it should be possible to abuse the UI code of the linelight-plugin for that
[16:24] <ochosi> it's pretty similar iirc
[16:26] <bluesabre> sounds promising
[16:29] <ochosi> it's this one: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-linelight-plugin
[16:30] <ochosi> meh, of course i can't install it here because it's still built against the old panel :(
[17:21] <mr_pouit> ochosi: it's in the ppa afaik
[17:21] <ochosi> mr_pouit: aha. strange then
[17:22] <mr_pouit> (the only one that uses some api removed from libxfce4util 4.10 :p)
[17:22] <ochosi> meh
[17:22] <ochosi> yeah, i mean it's not soo useful, it never worked so well
[17:23] <ochosi> i just wanted to look at it again to see whether there's anything we can use for a potential catfish-panel-plugin
[17:24] <ochosi> mr_pouit: so i assume you've already commenced to work hard on the display dialog refresh? :D
[17:25] <ochosi> there's in fact one thing i forgot in the mockups: a "reload display-list"-button
[17:29] <ochosi> also: we could pop up huge numbers ("1", "2") on the displays with the respective numbers, so users could more easily identify them
[17:41] <mr_pouit> no, I didn't start :p
[17:51] <knome> heh, today we beat ScottL's country ;)
[18:18] <knome> have i missed something from the blueprints already registered in launchpad?
[18:18] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu shows a quick tree to access them all
[18:18] <knome> (i'm mostly referring to the work items, is there something obvious missing)
[21:31] <bramwelt> d/win 3
[21:38] <pleia2> astraljava: we should chat soon about qa/testing stuff (I learned lots at UDS!)
[21:38] <knome> mm-hmm
[21:39] <knome> don't do that on saturday, i'm going to be offline for most for the day
[21:39] <knome> well, until 7pm-10pm UTC most probably
[21:39] <knome> but i'm going to be dead tired when i get back ;)
[21:41] <pleia2> the weekend following is a holiday weekend in the states and I'll be out of town
[21:41] <pleia2> but I'll be around this sunday
[21:42] <knome> sunday should work relatively fine
[21:42] <Unit193> Wait, it is?
[21:42] <pleia2> Unit193: memorial day weekend
[21:43] <Unit193> Sweetness! We may be going out of town!
[21:45] <pleia2> no no, I am going out of town, you are staying here with Xubuntu :)
[21:45] <knome> haha
[21:45] <knome> WITH ME
[21:45] <Unit193> ...I'm getting message pop up sounds, so weird.