[01:00] <chelz> this might be blasphemy but would it be possible to have an xfce panel the way people are able to get gnome-panel running alongside unity?
[01:40] <GeminiDomino> This may be a dumb question, but is there any "upgrade" path from 12.04 32-bit to 64-bit? It turns out this lappy has an Athlon64 X2, so I was hoping I could reinstall to the 64-bit packages without having to do a complete reinstall.
[01:52] <john_rambo>  Is there a "users & groups"  gui ?
[01:52] <Marzata> john_rambo: in System
[01:53] <john_rambo> Marzata, Its not there
[01:54] <Marzata> john_rambo: it is there in Xubuntu 12.04 (11.10)
[01:54] <john_rambo> Marzata, Can you tell me the name of the package ?
[01:55] <Unit193> users-admin
[01:55] <Unit193> It's the command, not the name.
[01:55] <Marzata> john_rambo: the command is "users-admin"
[01:56] <Marzata> dunno the pkg
[03:36] <kronoman> hello, Im using a old pc (living in south america), should I use Ubuntu or Xubuntu? The PC is AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2100 mhz, 1,5 gb RAM, NVidia Geforce2 and 160 gb hard disk
[03:36] <chelz> kronoman: you could try both. i recommend xubuntu but that's my personal taste
[03:36] <Unit193> Asking in Xubuntu? You know I'm going to say Xubuntu... ;)   Try both and see what one you like better.
[03:37] <kronoman> thanks, currently Im using ubuntu 11.10 , but unity feels really slow, had to install classic gnome, Im going to upgrade to some 12.something version soon from scratch
[05:10] <baizon> !add http://videos.rofl.to/clip/muschi-saugen
[05:11] <baizon> sorry wrong channel :D
[06:59] <Lyn> Hi guys, anyone around?  I'm wanting to install a version of Xubuntu on a computer that's about 8 years old and I've noticed that it's best with Ubuntu to use a version from somewhere around the time the machine was released because it's more likely to have suitable drivers.  Would that be the case with Xubuntu?
[06:59] <chelz> Lyn: latest xubuntu or ubuntu technically has all previous drivers
[06:59] <Lyn> I want the installation to be as quick and painless as possible because I'm hoping to be done before my migraine hits...
[07:00] <chelz> though newer distro releases like ubuntu generally require more system resources, i think xubuntu should work fine as long as there's enough ram
[07:00] <Marzata> Lyn: Xubuntu is a good choice.
[07:00] <Lyn> Hmm... I had heard that but I've run into trouble with Ubuntu 11 a few times.  :D  Is there a version of Xubuntu that I can just download, copy to a flash drive and then install straight from there?  Otherwise, I have to chase up a CD drive.
[07:01] <chelz> Lyn: you can use a tool like unetbootin to but a standard xubuntu iso onto a flash drive
[07:01] <Lyn> I can throw in up to 3gb RAM, I'm quite sure.  There's at least 1 in there at the moment.
[07:01] <chelz> to put a*
[07:01] <chelz> Lyn: that is fine then. requirement is 256
[07:01] <Marzata> Lyn: yes, but the USB must be bootable.
[07:03] <Lyn> Mmm... I'm in the stage of having trouble thinking so is it fairly straightforward and fool-proof?  Not kidding around when I say at this point in time it's best to view my abilities as those of an idiot.
[07:03] <chelz> Lyn: unetbootin is pretty foolproof
[07:03] <Lyn> Sounds good.  How big does the flash drive have to be?
[07:03] <chelz> Lyn: size of the iso roughly, so more than 700MB
[07:03] <Lyn> (I'm sure these answers are around but my brain will struggle to find them.
[07:04] <chelz> Lyn: make sure the computer you want to install on can boot from usb btw
[07:04] <Lyn> Good.  I have a spare 2gb handy.
[07:04] <Lyn> I don't know if it can yet but I'll get into BIOS when I finish assembling the bits we're cannibalising and make sure it does/can.
[07:05] <chelz> well installing from a disc isn't too bad if you have to, i mean it works. it's just noisy.
[07:07] <Lyn> Hard disk or CD/DVD disk is noisy?  I need a way to get the data onto the hard disk and all I have handy without ripping more computers apart is flash drive.  All of friends' computers are in trouble of one sort or another and I'm just trying to get them up and going so they can get access to their data again
[07:08] <chelz> Lyn: they don't have disc drives?
[07:10] <Lyn> Hard disk yes, but with hardware problems left right and centre and I've had 6 boxes apart in the last few days and on my last couple of hours before a migraine, I can't think well enough to find a spare CD or DVD drive to install to the hard drive.
[07:10] <Lyn> I know I have some somewhere....
[07:13] <chelz> Lyn: alright. i mean i just forget when computers started being usb bootable and i'm guessing around 07, and 8 years ago would be about 04
[07:42] <gordonjcp> Lyn: you can actually just dd the iso to a USB stick now
[07:42] <gordonjcp> since about 11.10
[07:42] <gordonjcp> *finally* they fixed that ;-)
[07:46] <chelz> ah i wasn't totally sure the xubuntu isos were hybrids
[07:46] <chelz> that's good to know
[07:46] <gordonjcp> well, I did that recently
[07:47] <gordonjcp> although if I can find a spare USB stick, I'm about to have to nuke xubuntu
[07:47] <gordonjcp> and stick something else on
[08:40] <combuster> hi, does anyone suffer from dropped packets in Xubuntu 12.04 ? I've changed two different NIC's and I see them again
[08:40] <combuster> it manifests sometime as a big pause in downloads etc...
[08:40] <combuster> RX packets:7934 errors:0 dropped:48 overruns:0 frame:0
[08:40] <combuster> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05)
[08:41] <combuster> had the same problem with R8169
[08:54] <gordonjcp> it's weird that xubuntu and ubuntu both won't suspend on my laptop, but lubuntu does
[08:56] <ledredter> you have the 3 in a mochine?
[09:02] <Fudge> hi i am trying to enable accessibility in 4.10, orca starts but nothing else happens. i am using lightdm to log in
[11:32] <SandJ> What is the name of the PDF viewer in Xubuntu, please?  (Mine is defaulting to GIMP for some reason.)
[11:34] <SandJ> Found it myself: the "Document Viewer" is 'evince'.
[12:27] <craigbass1976> what's the ebst app to get (without installing half of GNOME) that lets me extract audio from a cd to ogg?
[12:28] <babble> You may try this: http://transcoderae84.sourceforge.net/
[12:29]  * joeythesaint still uses cdparanoia
[12:30] <babble> I haven't used, but it's linked as a recommended app from Xfce.org here: http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps
[12:32] <craigbass1976> babble, I was looking for something in the repos that someone here might have used. I'm giving RipperX a whirl.
[12:34] <laite> craigbass1976: sound-juicer has worked well for me
[12:35] <laite> havent tried with version that's in the ubuntu repos, though
[12:35] <Pici> sound-juicer would likely pull less gnome stuff if you choose not to install reccomended packages.
[12:43] <justakill> ##c++
[13:20] <Marqeaux> @craigbass1976: try Asunder. Integrates well in most desktop environments. Works like a charm!
[14:23] <xuserr> hi
[14:23] <xuserr> can i install xfce 4.10 in xubuntu 12.04?
[14:23] <xuserr> is xfce 4.10 available now?
[14:24] <holstein> xuserr: i would check http://www.xfce.org/download ...nothing in xubuntu will prevent you from installing what you like
[14:25] <xuserr> is xfce 4.10 better than 4,8?
[14:25] <holstein> i would personally look for a PPA... maybe https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10 ...though i would read *all* documentation
[14:26] <holstein> xuserr: i would read and see if there is anything you need/want from *.10 ...likely nothing major
[14:32] <knome> xuserr, unless you really need something from 4.10, don't install it.
[14:32] <xuserr> why?
[14:32] <xuserr> i have xubuntu 12.04
[14:32] <knome> the PPA is not officially supported
[14:32] <knome> whatever xubuntu version you had
[14:32] <holstein> because you can/will have breakage xuserr
[14:32] <xuserr> ok
[14:33] <holstein> you will be on your own, at best
[14:33] <xuserr> i will not install it
[17:40] <jesusrmx> hi, I'm trying to use gimp, after sudo apt-get install gimp, I get: (my translation) gimp is already installed in it's more update version, however when I run gim, I get: El programa «gimp» no está instalado.  Puede instalarlo escribiendo:
[17:40] <jesusrmx> sudo apt-get install gimp
[17:40] <holstein> jesusrmx: how about when you run gimp ?
[17:41] <jesusrmx> gimp
[17:41] <jesusrmx> it's gimp, not gim, my typo
[17:41] <holstein> OK.. how about typing gimp and pressing the tab key
[17:41] <jesusrmx> nothing appears
[17:42] <holstein> complete it like... gimp-2.6.. or whatever you have listed
[17:42] <holstein> jesusrmx: go to the package manger and see what the package name is now
[17:42] <holstein> maybe its changed... mabye you added a ppa... maybe you have the newer version somehow
[17:42] <holstein> you dont see it in the menu?
[17:43] <Sysi> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install gimp
[17:43] <jesusrmx> I see it installed
[17:43] <holstein> jesusrmx: it = gimp?
[17:43] <jesusrmx> yeo
[17:43] <jesusrmx> yep
[17:43] <holstein> jesusrmx: type G in the terminal and hit tab
[17:43] <holstein> type gi... so on
[17:44] <holstein> jesusrmx: you dont see it in the menu?
[17:44] <jesusrmx> well the package manager dialogs don't allow copy&paste but it should be: gimp-2.6-11-2ubuntu4
[17:45] <jesusrmx> G [TAB] on terminal gives:
[17:45] <jesusrmx> Display all 175 possibilities? (y or n)
[17:45] <holstein> jesusrmx: you dont need to paste that
[17:45] <jesusrmx> of course :)
[17:45] <jesusrmx> gi TAB gives:
[17:45] <jesusrmx> ginstall-info     gio-querymodules
[17:45] <holstein> jesusrmx: you can hit tab and see if gimp is referenced
[17:46] <holstein> jesusrmx: nothing else you are going to paste here will matter.. unless when you type it in, it starts the gimp
[17:46] <jesusrmx> according to package manager gimp should be installed in /usr/bin/gimp-2.6
[17:46] <holstein> jesusrmx: cool... try starting it..
[17:46] <holstein> jesusrmx: you dont see it in the menu?
[17:47] <jesusrmx> both /usr/bin/gimp-2.6 and /usr/bin/gimp gives: bash: /usr/bin/gimp-2.6: No existe el archivo o el directorio
[17:47] <jesusrmx> file not exists
[17:47] <holstein> jesusrmx: and you dont see it in the menu?
[17:47] <holstein> jesusrmx: how about Sysi 's suggestion?
[17:47] <holstein> sudo apt-get update and maybe sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:47] <jesusrmx> doing Sysi suggestion, wait
[17:52] <jesusrmx> it seems to update links or something, after that, it say:
[17:52] <jesusrmx> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install gimp
[17:52] <jesusrmx> mm
[17:52] <jesusrmx> sorry
[17:52] <jesusrmx> gimp ya está en su versión más reciente.
[17:52] <jesusrmx> 0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 1 no actualizados.
[17:52] <jesusrmx> gimp is already in it's more up to date version
[17:52] <jesusrmx> 1 not updated
[17:52] <jesusrmx> yet it won't work
[17:53] <knome> sudo apt-get check?
[17:53] <jesusrmx> I will uninstall it
[17:53] <jesusrmx> check? will see
[17:53] <knome> that should check if there is broken packages
[17:53] <jesusrmx> Leyendo listas de paquetes... Hecho
[17:53] <jesusrmx> Creando árbol de dependencias
[17:53] <jesusrmx> Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
[17:53] <jesusrmx> that's all
[17:54] <jesusrmx> reading package list .... done
[17:54] <knome> please note that this channel is english-only, so most users won't understand
[17:54] <jesusrmx> creating dependency tree
[17:54] <knome> also, multiline pastes to !pastebin
[17:54] <jesusrmx> yes I know
[17:54] <jesusrmx> that's why try to translate
[17:58] <knome> did the apt-get update -message throw any errors?
[17:58] <jesusrmx> apt-get update apparently did'nt throw any errors
[18:00] <jesusrmx> it's curious, something like with gimp happened to another more critical package, and I marked to reinstall and applied, that fixed the problem, will do the same with gimp
[18:01] <knome> mm-hmm
[18:01] <jesusrmx> mixing the synaptic package manager and "ubuntu software center" (my translation) is allowed?
[18:02] <knome> yeah, no problem with using multiple package managers
[18:09] <jesusrmx> well, that did it
[18:10] <jesusrmx> it's strange
[18:10] <jesusrmx> thanks for helping
[18:11]  * jesusrmx is away: ups el jefe me sorprendio chateando ...
[18:12] <knome> jesusrmx, please don't use public away messages - thanks
[18:51]  * jesusrmx is back (gone 00:39:47)
[18:51] <jesusrmx> knome, oh, I will remember next time, cu
[18:54] <qkslvrwolf> is there a way to get rid of the confirmation dialog when a power button command comes in?
[18:56] <qkslvrwolf> nvm, actually works in xubuntu
[18:56] <qkslvrwolf> ;-)
[19:40] <xwalk_> Is there a way to use bash to check for file existence? I'm making a backup script and need to check to see if the backup files exist before I decide whether I need to make a new archive or just append to an existing one.
[19:41] <knome> if[ -f /path/to/file ]
[19:43] <xwalk_> Awesome, thanks.
[19:44] <knome> np
[20:21] <drc> OMG...The End Days are surely near.... http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xubuntu-pangolin.html
[20:22] <drc> Dedoimedo actually saying something nice about xfce.
[20:27] <baizon> because xfce is nice! :D
[20:31] <drc> Well...yeah...but Dedoimedo?  He even rivals me as a curmudgeon :)
[20:33] <drc> He's...well, he's Mike of the Old TV commercial..."He doesn't like anything".
[20:33] <drc> Not really true, but close.
[20:34] <baizon> :)
[21:58] <martinphone> what is this partial upgrade warning I get?
[21:59] <martinphone> its going to remove google earth??
[22:00] <knome> martinphone, there are some broken stuff that can't be resolved with a simple update
[22:01] <martinphone> its going to remove 7 alsa references
[22:01] <Unit193> You also may want to pastebin (http://sebsauvage.net/paste/) the errors.
[22:02] <martinphone> no errors, just no longer needed
[22:03] <martinphone> there, removing google earth...
[22:03] <martinphone> crap
[22:03] <martinphone> is ia32libs only used by 32bit?
[22:03] <knome> !info ia32libs
[22:04] <knome> bleh?
[22:04] <knome> !info ia32-libs
[22:04] <knome> ...
[22:04] <xubuntu002> hola, acabo de instalar xubuntu y quiero actualizar a la ultima version... el espacio de la particion no me lo permite, que puedo hacer?
[22:04] <Unit193> !es | xubuntu002
[22:06] <martinphone> what should I do with the 135 found obsolete packages?
[22:06] <martinphone> delete?
[22:07] <openchrome4me> I am trying to make my graphics card load the openchrome driver for my "VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] (rev 11)" instead of the current viafb. How would I do this in Xubuntu 12.04?
[22:27] <Marzata> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xubuntu-pangolin.html
[22:27] <Marzata> nice review
[22:34] <Kingsy> guys, how do I play audio cd's on my ubuntu install? I am getting an error saying "a audio cd source plugin is required" from parole.. what do I need?
[22:38] <xubuntu729> hola soporte en español ?
[22:39] <aguitel> en ubuntu-es
[22:39] <xubuntu729> ok
[22:39] <Kingsy> aguitel: any ideas about my issue?
[22:40] <Kingsy> kinda annoying not being able to play a cd :S
[22:40] <aguitel> Kingsy, i use vlc
[22:40] <Unit193> You installed xubuntu-restricted-addons and -extras?
[22:40] <Kingsy> and it works?
[22:40] <Kingsy> Unit193: hmm I don't think so 1 sec
[22:40] <aguitel> yes
[22:41] <Unit193> Plus, I also use VLC. :P
[22:41] <aguitel> try it
[22:42] <Kingsy> 1 second.. just trying it
[22:44] <Kingsy> installing vlc now..
[22:44] <Kingsy> the extras and addons didnt work with parole..
[22:44] <Kingsy> I will try it with vlc
[22:47] <Kingsy> vlc worked..
[22:47] <Kingsy> thanks guys..
[22:47] <aguitel> Kingsy, install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:47] <Kingsy> ok gtg.. having a party here.. :P gotta play some MUSSSSIICCC ;)
[22:48] <Kingsy> you guys are getting some credit
[22:50] <Portaro> You can install vlc or some other player possibly gnome player also work
[22:51] <Portaro> The restricted extras containe some extras like mp reader modules
[22:51] <knome> he's gone
[22:52] <Portaro> i dont see the the wuiet mode
[22:52] <Portaro> hehe
[22:54] <Portaro> I reamster xubuntu and the final work is perfect only terminal emulator give me some problems,i dont like unity gnome shell etc i like xfce
[22:54] <Portaro> what games you play on  yours xubuntus?
[22:54] <knome> minesweeper
[22:56] <Portaro> oh minespweeper  i can played other games eheh, smokin guns, 0 A..D
[22:56] <Portaro> minesweeper i dont like much
[22:58] <knome> btw, #xubuntu-offtopic if you don't have a support question
[23:59] <Marzata> xubuntu 12.04 with > 1 admin, is it a bug?