| astraljava | pleia2: knome: This Sunday could work fine, yeah. | 06:30 |
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| pleia2 | great :) | 06:31 |
| pleia2 | what time UTC is good for you? (keeping in mind that it's 23:30 yesterday right now here ;)) | 06:31 |
| astraljava | pleia2: I should be awake from about 0600 UTC until 2100 UTC, and thus far I'm only watching the ice hockey finals on that day. Well maybe go roller-skating if it's a nice weather. :) But that means, any time of day between those times is fine. | 06:38 |
| pleia2 | ok cool, I'll probably pop on around 17:00 and give you a nudge | 06:40 |
| astraljava | That's great! Thanks for pushing things. I've been surprisingly busy on this early cycle, so haven't had a chance of getting a control really, yet. | 06:41 |
| astraljava | I'll try to get up to speed before our meeting. | 06:41 |
| knome | 17 utc sounds good | 08:32 |
| ochosi | morning everyone | 09:55 |
| knome | hey ochosi | 09:57 |
| ochosi | hi | 09:57 |
| ochosi | bbl | 10:05 |
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| knome | clearly a troll in #x earlier | 11:35 |
| astraljava | Obviously. | 12:03 |
| knome | hai! | 12:04 |
| * knome has now a few kg's less hair | 12:04 | |
| bluesabre_laptop | ochosi: Fixed and added some stuff to catfish. Default location is home, search starts when you hit enter. Locate is now a backup/additional suggestion backend. | 12:07 |
| bluesabre_laptop | bbl | 12:30 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: is blackbird ~usable~? (i.e. can I upload it to quantal, or is it too early?) | 12:54 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: well, it's kinda usable, the gtk3 version still sucks though :) | 13:08 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: maybe in a similar state as albatross, so the answer is maybe yes ;) | 13:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre_laptop: cool, pulling from bzr right now! | 13:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre_laptop: works great! btw, it's really funny how the locate/zeitgeist suggestions are fast and the find-search is slow :D | 13:10 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: not sure you read the messages i posted before | 13:26 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: anyway, seems to be working great | 13:26 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: ok, do you have a short desc for blackbird? (check the description of shimmer-themes if you want to change something too ;-) | 13:43 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: you mean the desc in launchpad? | 13:43 |
| mr_pouit | of the package yeah (I guess it shows up on lp too) | 13:44 |
| ochosi | for blackbird i'll quickly update the README if that's fine with you | 13:44 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: the desc of the package looks ok to me | 13:52 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: i'll pastebin you a similar paragraph about blackbird (the readme is really something different) | 13:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, thanks! Yeah, I wasn't able to see the previous messages | 14:13 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ah ok, all i said before that it's funny how the suggestions with locate/zeitgeist are fast and the actual search with find is slow =) | 14:18 |
| bluesabre | haha | 14:18 |
| ochosi | is catfish seriously using glade? | 14:19 |
| bluesabre | yup | 14:19 |
| bluesabre | well | 14:19 |
| bluesabre | kinda | 14:19 |
| ochosi | i thought glade was superseded by something else for gtk3 | 14:20 |
| bluesabre | Kinda | 14:20 |
| ochosi | mkay | 14:20 |
| bluesabre | Glade is now done with GtkBuilder | 14:20 |
| ochosi | ah right, that was it | 14:21 |
| ochosi | i'm fiddling with the layout now | 14:22 |
| ochosi | just dropped the "close" button :) | 14:22 |
| ochosi | is there also a GUI for gtkbuilder like there was for glade? | 14:23 |
| bluesabre | The newer version of glade | 14:24 |
| bluesabre | I think there are 2 packages now | 14:24 |
| bluesabre | glade and glade-gtk2 | 14:24 |
| bluesabre | glade being the newer one | 14:24 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: quick and dirty :p http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05182012-044051pm.php | 14:41 |
| ochosi | i mean i could now drop the stuff in the sidebar entirely to get the layout, but then again, doing that without adding a menu is limiting the functionality quite a bit :) | 14:41 |
| bluesabre | True. I was investigating how to make a button with a menu, which is easy enough, but to get the darn menu to fall beneath the button (instead of the cursor) seems to be a challenge | 15:01 |
| ochosi | there is certainly c-code i can point you to that does that | 15:02 |
| ochosi | i can also offer perl :) | 15:02 |
| bluesabre | haha | 15:03 |
| ochosi | whatever seems easier for you | 15:03 |
| ochosi | or in fact vala, not c | 15:03 |
| bluesabre | sure, send me something and I can have a look at it | 15:03 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: check this https://github.com/shimmerproject/gmusicbrowser/blob/4a0644db1f84f6d5f65e3bf50b3af303a8515329/gmusicbrowser_layout.pm#L3841 | 15:15 |
| ochosi | this creates a toggle-button that stays pressed as long as the menu is open and displays a normal gtk-menu below it | 15:15 |
| ochosi | so pretty much exactly what elementary does in its apps | 15:15 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i can also try to dig up the midori code for the popup menu (that would be the vala-example) | 15:28 |
| bluesabre | that's all right. I'll figure it out. The popup function has a pos parameter which you pass to it and its supposed to be a callback function. Haven't had much luck with that working though. | 15:36 |
| bluesabre | I'd set it up, and then python would segfault. I'll ask around to find something out | 15:37 |
| satop | why a separate audio and video player in xubuntu 12.10 ? lets use vlc for both as i already did | 15:47 |
| ochosi | satop: vlc is qt and therefore not an option | 15:48 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: just asked in elementary, seems like this is a python app with the menu-button implemented: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementary-apps/dexter-rolodex/dexter/files | 15:49 |
| bluesabre | O.o sweet jesus it worked | 15:58 |
| ochosi | cool! | 15:58 |
| satop | what has Jesus to do with it | 15:59 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: have you pushed it already? :) | 16:00 |
| bluesabre | not yet. I was just testing it. Still want the interface to look like this? http://imagebin.org/212685 | 16:00 |
| ochosi | i'd say so, at least i haven't had any better ideas up to now :) | 16:02 |
| ochosi | theoretically we could throw a file-type filter somewhere | 16:02 |
| ochosi | that's also something people might wanna access quickly | 16:02 |
| ochosi | but anyway, i think cleaning up the interface like this is a good start | 16:03 |
| ochosi | we can always add new stuff to it | 16:03 |
| bluesabre | alrighty. I'll probably get on that here shortly. | 16:04 |
| ochosi | great! | 16:04 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: thoughts on limits, filtering, and search method in an "advanced" dialog? | 16:17 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: we could make the advanced dialog a toolbar underneath the searchbar | 16:21 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i'm not 100% happy about the filetype widget, but i have to think of something else first | 16:21 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: want to have a button to show the advanced toolbar? if so, have a preference where? | 16:22 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether it's too hidden if we throw it in the menu | 16:23 |
| ochosi | with a gtk-check "Advanced search options" or something | 16:23 |
| ochosi | and if it's ticked, the toolbar is there, otherwise it's not (not==default) | 16:23 |
| bluesabre | that doesn't sound like a bad idea | 16:24 |
| ochosi | btw, one more thing we should fix at some point is set the window-icon correctly | 16:24 |
| ochosi | at the moment it's hardcoded in glade | 16:24 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 16:25 |
| ochosi | which is why it doesn't show up in xfwm-tabwin (alt+tab) | 16:25 |
| ochosi | and it's not themeable | 16:25 |
| ochosi | i can draw a new appicon for it if we want something more fancy than a simple searchglass :) | 16:25 |
| bluesabre | maybe | 16:26 |
| ochosi | for the filetypes: maybe we could show a sidebar or something that shows a list of the filetypes | 16:27 |
| ochosi | that filters the result-set | 16:27 |
| ochosi | so they wouldn't be just pre-defined but based on the actual result-set | 16:27 |
| ochosi | (just an idea) | 16:27 |
| laite | perhaps something similar than what comes in google's imagesearch, the sidebar with a few date/type/etc. options (just an idea :) | 16:31 |
| ochosi | laite: yeah, probably a sidebar is better than a toolbar for the advanced search stuff | 16:32 |
| bluesabre | I agree. The extra toolbar begins to get cluttered with options anyway | 16:33 |
| ochosi | google might not be the worst source of inspiration for the search :) | 16:34 |
| ochosi | i'll try to come up with a mockup for the advanced search mode a bit later today/tonight | 16:36 |
| bluesabre | I might have a rough version of an advanced sidebar sometime within the hour | 16:37 |
| ochosi | wow nice | 16:37 |
| bluesabre | glade and python let you do things quickly | 16:38 |
| bluesabre | sometimes without thinking | 16:38 |
| ochosi | :) | 16:38 |
| ochosi | never used glade | 16:38 |
| ochosi | always did my packing with perl by hand | 16:38 |
| bluesabre | (which occassionally comes back to bite you in the future) | 16:38 |
| ochosi | which is fun, but also a bit tedious | 16:38 |
| ochosi | yeah, maybe if/when there's a vala-port ;) | 16:39 |
| ochosi | although i'm not sure python would be the bottleneck with this app anyway | 16:39 |
| ochosi | i mean the interface is minimal | 16:39 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 16:39 |
| bluesabre | the app is bottlenecked no matter what you do because it will always rely on system calls | 16:39 |
| ochosi | mhm | 16:40 |
| ochosi | i guess at some point we should ask kalikiana whether he minds if we supersede the old catfish with this | 16:42 |
| ochosi | so that it can get packaged properly (and everywhere) | 16:42 |
| bluesabre | true | 16:43 |
| ochosi | (i think he won't mind) | 16:43 |
| bluesabre | according to his page, he's looking for a new maintainer | 16:43 |
| ochosi | btw, this also sounds like a good idea "add filter for executables/ desktop files" | 16:52 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 16:52 |
| ochosi | and not that hard to do | 16:52 |
| bluesabre | saw the todo list too, huh? :D | 16:52 |
| ochosi | hehe | 16:52 |
| ochosi | yeah | 16:52 |
| ochosi | cleaning up my tabs ;) | 16:52 |
| ochosi | ok folks, i'll be back in a bit | 16:53 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: glade preview of sidebar: http://imagebin.org/212897 | 16:55 |
| ochosi | very cool! | 16:56 |
| ochosi | let's really make this look a bit like google-images | 16:56 |
| bluesabre | good idea | 16:56 |
| ochosi | maybe a text-only list of types (Image,Video,Music,Application, etc) | 16:56 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether we should swap the combo and the search-entry... | 16:57 |
| bluesabre | No requests for filtering on color size :P | 16:57 |
| ochosi | not sure what's the more "logical" place for it | 16:57 |
| bluesabre | *color | 16:58 |
| ochosi | hehe | 16:58 |
| ochosi | well, nothing too image-specific i'd say | 16:58 |
| ochosi | ok, now i really gotta run | 16:58 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 16:58 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: something a little more like this? http://imagebin.org/212909 | 17:38 |
| ochosi | not sure the limit-results is needed that much | 17:50 |
| ochosi | the rest looks very good already! | 17:50 |
| ochosi | the search method should probably also go somewhere else | 17:50 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether we should use locate-only by default | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | locate doesn't find new files though | 17:51 |
| ochosi | and then show an inforbar or something to search with find | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | you have to update the database, which is either done automatically or by admin | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | ah | 17:51 |
| ochosi | i'm thinking like this: first show a quick list of results – then ask the user: did you not find the droid you were looking for? search thoroughly | 17:52 |
| bluesabre | lol | 17:52 |
| bluesabre | that might be a good idea | 17:52 |
| ochosi | just to take the edge of the long wait for search results with find | 17:53 |
| ochosi | i don't know enough about how you get the result-sets, but another way would be to search with locate and incrementally add results found with find | 17:53 |
| bluesabre | not a bad idea | 17:54 |
| ochosi | i mean letting locate and find run in two different threads | 17:54 |
| ochosi | not sure how easy that is | 17:54 |
| ochosi | but then the user can always cancel when his files are found | 17:54 |
| bluesabre | threads can get finicky | 17:54 |
| ochosi | yeah, maybe the other variant is easier to implement and good enough | 17:55 |
| bluesabre | I kinda like the idea of a second, super search | 17:55 |
| ochosi | mhm | 17:55 |
| ochosi | maybe we could also add a menuitem to update the search-index | 17:55 |
| ochosi | about the sidebar: let's not use italic headers for that and drop as many labels as we can :) (less work for translators) | 17:57 |
| ochosi | i think it's intuitively clear what the different items filter on | 17:57 |
| ochosi | s/Past week/Last week/ (but yeah, up to you, you're the native speaker ;) ) | 17:58 |
| bluesabre | I just copied google | 17:59 |
| ochosi | ah | 17:59 |
| ochosi | interesting, didn't notice it there | 17:59 |
| ochosi | oh noes, my google is german... :) | 17:59 |
| bluesabre | haha | 17:59 |
| bluesabre | yeah, this version of the interface will have the sidebar, menu, and infobar | 18:00 |
| bluesabre | once I can finish putting it together in a little bit | 18:00 |
| bluesabre | lol | 18:00 |
| ochosi | hehe | 18:00 |
| ochosi | so for the sidebar, it should contain only this imo: "Any time|Past week|Other|Custom<Separator/spacer>Documents|Pictures|Music|Videos|Applications|Other|Custom" | 18:01 |
| ochosi | all the other labels and stuff are kinda too much | 18:02 |
| bluesabre | I agree. I think Limit Results might be beneficial to keep around though. | 18:05 |
| bluesabre | but maybe not | 18:05 |
| bluesabre | I don't think most tools have any option to limit how many results you get back | 18:06 |
| ochosi | i'm not sure i see the point of limiting results | 18:07 |
| ochosi | the search isn't faster | 18:07 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 18:07 |
| bluesabre | let's throw it out | 18:07 |
| bluesabre | then the sidebar is just for filtering | 18:08 |
| bluesabre | and can be much cleaner | 18:08 |
| ochosi | mhm | 18:09 |
| ochosi | we can always put stuff back in | 18:09 |
| ochosi | but there are maybe other – more useful – filters we might wanna add | 18:10 |
| ochosi | and let's maybe swap the search-entry and the folder-selector | 18:13 |
| ochosi | it's somehow more logical in terms of hierarchy | 18:13 |
| bluesabre | http://imagebin.org/212915 | 18:15 |
| ochosi | let's drop the "filter results" label as well :) | 18:17 |
| bluesabre | Agreed | 18:17 |
| ochosi | let's try to drop the other two as well (maybe just comment them out) to see whether it still looks intuitive | 18:18 |
| bluesabre | maybe http://imagebin.org/212916 | 18:20 |
| ochosi | looks good | 18:23 |
| ochosi | maybe a spacer on top of anytime | 18:24 |
| bluesabre | that helps | 18:25 |
| bluesabre | oh yeah, the reason for the search method was so you could search with beagle or other backends | 18:32 |
| bluesabre | but... | 18:32 |
| bluesabre | does anybody use beagle anymore? | 18:32 |
| * micahg thought we dropped that from the archive | 18:38 | |
| ochosi | yeah, i think locate and find and zeitgeist are sufficient | 18:39 |
| micahg | yep, dropped in natty IIRC | 18:39 |
| ochosi | the only other alternative i know of is tracker | 18:39 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: it might be a little bit. the interface is plugged in and shows now, but for some reason my queries no longer work | 19:15 |
| ochosi | hihi | 19:15 |
| ochosi | ok | 19:15 |
| ochosi | no worries | 19:15 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: See me comment on searchmonkeye? | 19:15 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yeah, haven't looked at it yet | 19:16 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 19:16 |
| Unit193 | Coolio. | 19:16 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: nvm, I had exact search on. A few more tweaks and I'll upload the latest. | 19:18 |
| bluesabre | http://imagebin.org/212923 | 19:20 |
| ochosi | cool | 19:23 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: check it out. filters currently do not work though. | 19:34 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: will do in one sec, going for a smoke :) | 20:08 |
| mr_pouit | Xubuntu will be less great because of that smoke! ;P | 20:10 |
| bluesabre | yes, ochosi, mr_pouit is right. :D | 20:12 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: went ahead and committed another change. bzr commit -m "Find icon changes to cancel icon when running. Sidebar widgets can now enable/disable custom buttons." | 20:46 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: I took care of ristretto | 21:44 |
| * GridCube ponders if he got into the #mafia channel | 21:47 | |
| Unit193 | I kinda read it the same as GridCube. ;P | 22:04 |
| GridCube | ristretto is gone Unit193, its gone, dont think about it anymore | 22:04 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: hihi | 22:26 |
| ochosi | bluesabre_laptop: looks and works great! | 22:31 |
| ochosi | well, that was a longish cigarette... | 22:32 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: mousepad done as well | 22:53 |
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