psusicjwatson, I thought the boot catalog was entirely for el torito bios booting, and that efi systems would boot removable media ( be it cdrom or otherwise ) if they found the EFI directory with the boot loader in it?00:01
cjwatsonI don't really have much more to say than is in my post there00:01
cjwatsonyou can go and read the efi spec on el torito handling00:02
cjwatsonit's pretty explicit00:02
directhexi suspect reading mjg59's posts on efi booting would be more enlightening00:05
directhexand by "englightening" i mean "should make you want to vomit, which is the correct reaction"00:05
psusiweird... seems silly to use el torito on cdroms when efi already has a perfectly good way of accomplishing the same goals for other media00:05
DavieyHey, anyone fancy doing a anacron merge review for me please?00:05
cjwatsonfor the specific question psusi asked, the uefi spec alone is enlightening00:05
psusidirecthex, which posts?00:06
directhexanything with "EFI" in it on http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/, pretty much00:07
Davieyslangasek: Fancy reviewing my pending anacron merge (you are TIL). debian -> ubuntu: http://pb.daviey.com/0noa/ & ubuntu -> ubuntu: http://pb.daviey.com/7bmF/ .. thanks :)00:10
Daviey(The query is mostly about maintaining the delta of using start vs invoke-rc.d, which i'm not entirely sure why we are doing.)00:14
smallfoot-12.10 will merge /usr ?00:17
smallfoot-oh there is a blueprint for it00:24
slangasekcjwatson: sure - I just find that calling the arguments "source" and "destination" is needlessly confusing in the case of links00:55
slangasekDaviey: ummm.  I'm confused, didn't I already merge anacron?00:57
slangasekDaviey: if not, I certainly have a merge staged here00:57
slangasekDaviey: do you mind if I just upload this one rather than reviewing yours? :)00:57
slangasek(and apols for not uploading it before you did duplicate work on it)00:58
Davieyslangasek: ok, i'll happily drop mine :).. But i am interested, why does the original ubuntu delta use start rather thank invoke-rc.d?00:58
slangasekDaviey: because someone was misguided when they wrote that bit :)00:58
Davieyslangasek: nah, A) i didn't ask before touching it.. B) It was trivial.00:58
Davieyslangasek: That makes sense :)..00:59
slangasekso I happen to have kept the delta for using 'start' because it's a marginal performance improvement and also less noisy than calling invoke-rc.d00:59
Davieyanyway, before for me.. Have a good weekend campers. o/01:00
slangasekbut I've pushed the upstart job to the Debian BTS; if that lands I'd be inclined to drop these bits to get us back in sync01:00
Davieyslangasek: super!01:00
psusihrm... mjg says he puts a GPT on along with an MBR that has multiple partitions covering various parts of the disk so that EFI systems that insist on having GPT will be happy, but last I heard, EFI also expressly requires the MBR to only contain the 0xee protective partition or the gpt is considered invalid01:32
psusiiirc, a patch went into parted recently to enforce that provision... no ee partition in the mbr, and the gpt is ignored01:33
cjwatsonApple have a "special" interpretation of EFI01:35
cjwatsonthere's a rant by mjg59 on the subject in one of Ubuntu's patches to parted01:36
cjwatsonbut briefly: "that would be lovely but Apple don't like to make things that simple"01:36
psusiI just finished reading mjg's rant about why tvs suck, and nearly pissed myself when I got to the end: "It's all awful.  I recommend you drink until everything's already blurry and then none of this will matter."02:20
lazikpsusi : check out refit if you don't know, it's a hybrid MBR/GPT. I use it to triple boot my macbook02:23
cjwatsonrefit isn't a hybrid MBR/GPT - MBR and GPT are partition table formats, not pieces of software02:24
lazik... is a software that creates MBR and GPT and can read both02:25
psusihrm... fedora is now gpt by default?  interesting...02:28
cjwatsonso's Ubuntu on big enough disks02:29
lazikgrub2 with efi is being rolled out on many distributions, like ubuntu 12.04+02:29
psusiohh... ubiquity in precise now lets you install grub to a partition02:35
psusiI thought we weren't supporting that?02:35
cjwatsonunder protest02:41
cjwatsonalso only to a small selection of partitions02:41
slangasekmbiebl: did the 'timeout' option work out for you with post-lucid?02:49
mbieblslangasek: didn't get around to test it yet02:51
arulmozhihow cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required08:04
arulmozhihow cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required08:06
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mr_pouittar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors11:48
mr_pouitthe chroot on meissa (arm panda) looks broken11:48
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chrisccoulsonhi, is anyone able to bump the score on https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/ppa/+build/3502198 please? :)13:01
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cjwatsonchrisccoulson: done13:04
chrisccoulsoncjwatson, thanks!13:04
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jtaylorwhy is the as-needed linker flag not in the 12.04 release notes? is one supposed to read 10.10, 11.04, 11.10 and 12.04 release notes before upgrading?13:41
jtaylorfrom 10.0413:41
cjwatsonjtaylor: hm, I thought it was supposed to have been - I'm sure we talked about it14:03
cjwatson(can't look properly now though)14:04
jtaylorcjwatson: its not in the gnu toolchain part, I think that is important enough to be mentioned14:05
jtaylorjust closed two as-needed bugs from 10.04 upgraders14:06
vibhavcan https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/932439 be nominated for oneiric?14:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 932439 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Horizontal scrolling reversed recently" [Medium,In progress]14:08
vibhavpython-django has a ubuntu delta and the control file mentions the svn path to be the one from Debian, should I change it to the bzr vcs?14:30
cousin_luigiI'm not sure whether this has been already discussed or not, but why isn't burg an option? Would it be problematic to add support for it in the kernel postinst/postrm scripts?14:30
vibhavcousin_luigi: burg an option?14:31
vibhavDo you mean installing it by default?14:31
cousin_luigivibhav: making it optional as alternative to grub14:32
cjwatsonburg is an unmaintained hostile fork of grub14:35
cjwatsonI do not intend to make any effort to support it; I'd rather continue to improve grub itself14:35
vibhavYou cannot mkrescue, drivemap.mod is missing (you cannot chainload to other disks)14:35
cousin_luigicjwatson: hostile?14:35
cjwatsonit was forked by a developer who couldn't get on with the rest of the grub community14:35
vibhavBurg is a single person maintainer and while his efforts should be commended14:35
cjwatsonit hasn't had any commits at all since October 201014:36
vibhavThough I love it14:36
cjwatsonmany of the theming work is now in grub2 anyway in other forms14:36
cjwatsonjust needs some polish and presentation14:36
cousin_luigicjwatson: I see.14:36
cousin_luigicjwatson: By the way, aren't forks usually the result of a battle of egos?;)14:38
cjwatsonoften, yes14:39
cjwatsonin this case, nobody else joined in ...14:39
vibhavI dont agree14:40
vibhavSome people make forks because their patches are not expected14:40
cousin_luigiWell, in the spirit of freedom one can fork to prove their point. Granted, it tends to disperse talents.14:42
arulmozhiagain. anybody???  how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required14:54
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geserinfinity: is the armel quantal buildd chroot currently broken?18:04
mr_pouitgeser: there's one broken it seems18:06
geserlooks like only meissa is affected as all the CHROOTFAIL I checked are from it18:08
slangasekummmm.  Why is rsyslog writing to /var/log/auth.log.1 instead of to /var/log/auth.log?18:10
slangasekah, I blame a chroot18:13
PaoloRotoloHi all!18:35
rzrhi i am looking for some entry point to "u for android" project20:12
infinitygeser: Thanks for the heads-up.  Tidied up the fallout.20:27
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LaneyLooks like rhythmbox can be given back.23:31
brycehLaney, heya23:39
brycehLaney, I think the latest upload failed to build due to I'm guessing the texlive confusion23:40
Laneyhey bryceh, yeah - just looked like some transient shuffling23:40
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