| psusi | cjwatson, I thought the boot catalog was entirely for el torito bios booting, and that efi systems would boot removable media ( be it cdrom or otherwise ) if they found the EFI directory with the boot loader in it? | 00:01 |
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| cjwatson | I don't really have much more to say than is in my post there | 00:01 |
| cjwatson | you can go and read the efi spec on el torito handling | 00:02 |
| cjwatson | it's pretty explicit | 00:02 |
| directhex | i suspect reading mjg59's posts on efi booting would be more enlightening | 00:05 |
| directhex | and by "englightening" i mean "should make you want to vomit, which is the correct reaction" | 00:05 |
| psusi | weird... seems silly to use el torito on cdroms when efi already has a perfectly good way of accomplishing the same goals for other media | 00:05 |
| Daviey | Hey, anyone fancy doing a anacron merge review for me please? | 00:05 |
| cjwatson | for the specific question psusi asked, the uefi spec alone is enlightening | 00:05 |
| psusi | directhex, which posts? | 00:06 |
| directhex | anything with "EFI" in it on http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/, pretty much | 00:07 |
| Daviey | slangasek: Fancy reviewing my pending anacron merge (you are TIL). debian -> ubuntu: http://pb.daviey.com/0noa/ & ubuntu -> ubuntu: http://pb.daviey.com/7bmF/ .. thanks :) | 00:10 |
| Daviey | (The query is mostly about maintaining the delta of using start vs invoke-rc.d, which i'm not entirely sure why we are doing.) | 00:14 |
| smallfoot- | 12.10 will merge /usr ? | 00:17 |
| smallfoot- | oh there is a blueprint for it | 00:24 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: sure - I just find that calling the arguments "source" and "destination" is needlessly confusing in the case of links | 00:55 |
| slangasek | Daviey: ummm. I'm confused, didn't I already merge anacron? | 00:57 |
| slangasek | Daviey: if not, I certainly have a merge staged here | 00:57 |
| slangasek | Daviey: do you mind if I just upload this one rather than reviewing yours? :) | 00:57 |
| slangasek | (and apols for not uploading it before you did duplicate work on it) | 00:58 |
| Daviey | slangasek: ok, i'll happily drop mine :).. But i am interested, why does the original ubuntu delta use start rather thank invoke-rc.d? | 00:58 |
| slangasek | Daviey: because someone was misguided when they wrote that bit :) | 00:58 |
| Daviey | slangasek: nah, A) i didn't ask before touching it.. B) It was trivial. | 00:58 |
| Daviey | slangasek: That makes sense :).. | 00:59 |
| slangasek | so I happen to have kept the delta for using 'start' because it's a marginal performance improvement and also less noisy than calling invoke-rc.d | 00:59 |
| Daviey | ok. | 01:00 |
| Daviey | anyway, before for me.. Have a good weekend campers. o/ | 01:00 |
| slangasek | but I've pushed the upstart job to the Debian BTS; if that lands I'd be inclined to drop these bits to get us back in sync | 01:00 |
| Daviey | s/before/bed | 01:00 |
| Daviey | slangasek: super! | 01:00 |
| psusi | hrm... mjg says he puts a GPT on along with an MBR that has multiple partitions covering various parts of the disk so that EFI systems that insist on having GPT will be happy, but last I heard, EFI also expressly requires the MBR to only contain the 0xee protective partition or the gpt is considered invalid | 01:32 |
| psusi | iirc, a patch went into parted recently to enforce that provision... no ee partition in the mbr, and the gpt is ignored | 01:33 |
| cjwatson | Apple have a "special" interpretation of EFI | 01:35 |
| cjwatson | there's a rant by mjg59 on the subject in one of Ubuntu's patches to parted | 01:36 |
| cjwatson | but briefly: "that would be lovely but Apple don't like to make things that simple" | 01:36 |
| psusi | I just finished reading mjg's rant about why tvs suck, and nearly pissed myself when I got to the end: "It's all awful. I recommend you drink until everything's already blurry and then none of this will matter." | 02:20 |
| lazik | psusi : check out refit if you don't know, it's a hybrid MBR/GPT. I use it to triple boot my macbook | 02:23 |
| cjwatson | refit isn't a hybrid MBR/GPT - MBR and GPT are partition table formats, not pieces of software | 02:24 |
| lazik | ... is a software that creates MBR and GPT and can read both | 02:25 |
| psusi | hrm... fedora is now gpt by default? interesting... | 02:28 |
| cjwatson | so's Ubuntu on big enough disks | 02:29 |
| lazik | grub2 with efi is being rolled out on many distributions, like ubuntu 12.04+ | 02:29 |
| psusi | ohh... ubiquity in precise now lets you install grub to a partition | 02:35 |
| psusi | I thought we weren't supporting that? | 02:35 |
| cjwatson | under protest | 02:41 |
| cjwatson | also only to a small selection of partitions | 02:41 |
| psusi | hehe | 02:44 |
| slangasek | mbiebl: did the 'timeout' option work out for you with post-lucid? | 02:49 |
| mbiebl | slangasek: didn't get around to test it yet | 02:51 |
| slangasek | ok | 02:51 |
| arulmozhi | how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are the headers required | 08:04 |
| arulmozhi | how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are the headers required | 08:06 |
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| mr_pouit | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors | 11:48 |
| mr_pouit | the chroot on meissa (arm panda) looks broken | 11:48 |
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| chrisccoulson | hi, is anyone able to bump the score on https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/ppa/+build/3502198 please? :) | 13:01 |
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| cjwatson | chrisccoulson: done | 13:04 |
| chrisccoulson | cjwatson, thanks! | 13:04 |
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| jtaylor | why is the as-needed linker flag not in the 12.04 release notes? is one supposed to read 10.10, 11.04, 11.10 and 12.04 release notes before upgrading? | 13:41 |
| jtaylor | from 10.04 | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | jtaylor: hm, I thought it was supposed to have been - I'm sure we talked about it | 14:03 |
| cjwatson | (can't look properly now though) | 14:04 |
| jtaylor | cjwatson: its not in the gnu toolchain part, I think that is important enough to be mentioned | 14:05 |
| jtaylor | just closed two as-needed bugs from 10.04 upgraders | 14:06 |
| vibhav | can https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/932439 be nominated for oneiric? | 14:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 932439 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Horizontal scrolling reversed recently" [Medium,In progress] | 14:08 |
| cousin_luigi | Greetings. | 14:28 |
| vibhav | python-django has a ubuntu delta and the control file mentions the svn path to be the one from Debian, should I change it to the bzr vcs? | 14:30 |
| cousin_luigi | I'm not sure whether this has been already discussed or not, but why isn't burg an option? Would it be problematic to add support for it in the kernel postinst/postrm scripts? | 14:30 |
| vibhav | cousin_luigi: burg an option? | 14:31 |
| vibhav | Do you mean installing it by default? | 14:31 |
| cousin_luigi | vibhav: making it optional as alternative to grub | 14:32 |
| cjwatson | burg is an unmaintained hostile fork of grub | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | I do not intend to make any effort to support it; I'd rather continue to improve grub itself | 14:35 |
| vibhav | You cannot mkrescue, drivemap.mod is missing (you cannot chainload to other disks) | 14:35 |
| cousin_luigi | cjwatson: hostile? | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | it was forked by a developer who couldn't get on with the rest of the grub community | 14:35 |
| vibhav | Burg is a single person maintainer and while his efforts should be commended | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | it hasn't had any commits at all since October 2010 | 14:36 |
| cousin_luigi | oh | 14:36 |
| vibhav | Though I love it | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | many of the theming work is now in grub2 anyway in other forms | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | just needs some polish and presentation | 14:36 |
| cousin_luigi | cjwatson: I see. | 14:36 |
| cousin_luigi | cjwatson: By the way, aren't forks usually the result of a battle of egos?;) | 14:38 |
| cjwatson | often, yes | 14:39 |
| cjwatson | in this case, nobody else joined in ... | 14:39 |
| cjwatson | (afaict) | 14:39 |
| vibhav | I dont agree | 14:40 |
| vibhav | Some people make forks because their patches are not expected | 14:40 |
| cousin_luigi | Well, in the spirit of freedom one can fork to prove their point. Granted, it tends to disperse talents. | 14:42 |
| vibhav | yeah | 14:42 |
| cousin_luigi | bbl | 14:46 |
| arulmozhi | again. anybody??? how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are the headers required | 14:54 |
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| geser | infinity: is the armel quantal buildd chroot currently broken? | 18:04 |
| mr_pouit | geser: there's one broken it seems | 18:06 |
| mr_pouit | https://launchpad.net/builders/meissa/+history | 18:07 |
| geser | looks like only meissa is affected as all the CHROOTFAIL I checked are from it | 18:08 |
| slangasek | ummmm. Why is rsyslog writing to /var/log/auth.log.1 instead of to /var/log/auth.log? | 18:10 |
| slangasek | ah, I blame a chroot | 18:13 |
| PaoloRotolo | Hi all! | 18:35 |
| mlankhor1t | hey | 18:45 |
| rzr | hi i am looking for some entry point to "u for android" project | 20:12 |
| infinity | geser: Thanks for the heads-up. Tidied up the fallout. | 20:27 |
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| Laney | Looks like rhythmbox can be given back. | 23:31 |
| bryceh | Laney, heya | 23:39 |
| bryceh | Laney, I think the latest upload failed to build due to I'm guessing the texlive confusion | 23:40 |
| Laney | hey bryceh, yeah - just looked like some transient shuffling | 23:40 |
| * bryceh visualizes a bum lurching through the archive knocking packages over | 23:42 | |
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