[00:01] <psusi> cjwatson, I thought the boot catalog was entirely for el torito bios booting, and that efi systems would boot removable media ( be it cdrom or otherwise ) if they found the EFI directory with the boot loader in it?
[00:01] <cjwatson> I don't really have much more to say than is in my post there
[00:02] <cjwatson> you can go and read the efi spec on el torito handling
[00:02] <cjwatson> it's pretty explicit
[00:05] <directhex> i suspect reading mjg59's posts on efi booting would be more enlightening
[00:05] <directhex> and by "englightening" i mean "should make you want to vomit, which is the correct reaction"
[00:05] <psusi> weird... seems silly to use el torito on cdroms when efi already has a perfectly good way of accomplishing the same goals for other media
[00:05] <Daviey> Hey, anyone fancy doing a anacron merge review for me please?
[00:05] <cjwatson> for the specific question psusi asked, the uefi spec alone is enlightening
[00:06] <psusi> directhex, which posts?
[00:07] <directhex> anything with "EFI" in it on http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/, pretty much
[00:10] <Daviey> slangasek: Fancy reviewing my pending anacron merge (you are TIL). debian -> ubuntu: http://pb.daviey.com/0noa/ & ubuntu -> ubuntu: http://pb.daviey.com/7bmF/ .. thanks :)
[00:14] <Daviey> (The query is mostly about maintaining the delta of using start vs invoke-rc.d, which i'm not entirely sure why we are doing.)
[00:17] <smallfoot-> 12.10 will merge /usr ?
[00:24] <smallfoot-> oh there is a blueprint for it
[00:55] <slangasek> cjwatson: sure - I just find that calling the arguments "source" and "destination" is needlessly confusing in the case of links
[00:57] <slangasek> Daviey: ummm.  I'm confused, didn't I already merge anacron?
[00:57] <slangasek> Daviey: if not, I certainly have a merge staged here
[00:57] <slangasek> Daviey: do you mind if I just upload this one rather than reviewing yours? :)
[00:58] <slangasek> (and apols for not uploading it before you did duplicate work on it)
[00:58] <Daviey> slangasek: ok, i'll happily drop mine :).. But i am interested, why does the original ubuntu delta use start rather thank invoke-rc.d?
[00:58] <slangasek> Daviey: because someone was misguided when they wrote that bit :)
[00:58] <Daviey> slangasek: nah, A) i didn't ask before touching it.. B) It was trivial.
[00:59] <Daviey> slangasek: That makes sense :)..
[00:59] <slangasek> so I happen to have kept the delta for using 'start' because it's a marginal performance improvement and also less noisy than calling invoke-rc.d
[01:00] <Daviey> ok.
[01:00] <Daviey> anyway, before for me.. Have a good weekend campers. o/
[01:00] <slangasek> but I've pushed the upstart job to the Debian BTS; if that lands I'd be inclined to drop these bits to get us back in sync
[01:00] <Daviey> s/before/bed
[01:00] <Daviey> slangasek: super!
[01:32] <psusi> hrm... mjg says he puts a GPT on along with an MBR that has multiple partitions covering various parts of the disk so that EFI systems that insist on having GPT will be happy, but last I heard, EFI also expressly requires the MBR to only contain the 0xee protective partition or the gpt is considered invalid
[01:33] <psusi> iirc, a patch went into parted recently to enforce that provision... no ee partition in the mbr, and the gpt is ignored
[01:35] <cjwatson> Apple have a "special" interpretation of EFI
[01:36] <cjwatson> there's a rant by mjg59 on the subject in one of Ubuntu's patches to parted
[01:36] <cjwatson> but briefly: "that would be lovely but Apple don't like to make things that simple"
[02:20] <psusi> I just finished reading mjg's rant about why tvs suck, and nearly pissed myself when I got to the end: "It's all awful.  I recommend you drink until everything's already blurry and then none of this will matter."
[02:23] <lazik> psusi : check out refit if you don't know, it's a hybrid MBR/GPT. I use it to triple boot my macbook
[02:24] <cjwatson> refit isn't a hybrid MBR/GPT - MBR and GPT are partition table formats, not pieces of software
[02:25] <lazik> ... is a software that creates MBR and GPT and can read both
[02:28] <psusi> hrm... fedora is now gpt by default?  interesting...
[02:29] <cjwatson> so's Ubuntu on big enough disks
[02:29] <lazik> grub2 with efi is being rolled out on many distributions, like ubuntu 12.04+
[02:35] <psusi> ohh... ubiquity in precise now lets you install grub to a partition
[02:35] <psusi> I thought we weren't supporting that?
[02:41] <cjwatson> under protest
[02:41] <cjwatson> also only to a small selection of partitions
[02:44] <psusi> hehe
[02:49] <slangasek> mbiebl: did the 'timeout' option work out for you with post-lucid?
[02:51] <mbiebl> slangasek: didn't get around to test it yet
[02:51] <slangasek> ok
[08:04] <arulmozhi> how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required
[08:06] <arulmozhi> how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required
[11:48] <mr_pouit> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[11:48] <mr_pouit> the chroot on meissa (arm panda) looks broken
[13:01] <chrisccoulson> hi, is anyone able to bump the score on https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/ppa/+build/3502198 please? :)
[13:04] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: done
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, thanks!
[13:41] <jtaylor> why is the as-needed linker flag not in the 12.04 release notes? is one supposed to read 10.10, 11.04, 11.10 and 12.04 release notes before upgrading?
[13:41] <jtaylor> from 10.04
[14:03] <cjwatson> jtaylor: hm, I thought it was supposed to have been - I'm sure we talked about it
[14:04] <cjwatson> (can't look properly now though)
[14:05] <jtaylor> cjwatson: its not in the gnu toolchain part, I think that is important enough to be mentioned
[14:06] <jtaylor> just closed two as-needed bugs from 10.04 upgraders
[14:08] <vibhav> can https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/932439 be nominated for oneiric?
[14:28] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
[14:30] <vibhav> python-django has a ubuntu delta and the control file mentions the svn path to be the one from Debian, should I change it to the bzr vcs?
[14:30] <cousin_luigi> I'm not sure whether this has been already discussed or not, but why isn't burg an option? Would it be problematic to add support for it in the kernel postinst/postrm scripts?
[14:31] <vibhav> cousin_luigi: burg an option?
[14:31] <vibhav> Do you mean installing it by default?
[14:32] <cousin_luigi> vibhav: making it optional as alternative to grub
[14:35] <cjwatson> burg is an unmaintained hostile fork of grub
[14:35] <cjwatson> I do not intend to make any effort to support it; I'd rather continue to improve grub itself
[14:35] <vibhav> You cannot mkrescue, drivemap.mod is missing (you cannot chainload to other disks)
[14:35] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: hostile?
[14:35] <cjwatson> it was forked by a developer who couldn't get on with the rest of the grub community
[14:35] <vibhav> Burg is a single person maintainer and while his efforts should be commended
[14:36] <cjwatson> it hasn't had any commits at all since October 2010
[14:36] <cousin_luigi> oh
[14:36] <vibhav> Though I love it
[14:36] <cjwatson> many of the theming work is now in grub2 anyway in other forms
[14:36] <cjwatson> just needs some polish and presentation
[14:36] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: I see.
[14:38] <cousin_luigi> cjwatson: By the way, aren't forks usually the result of a battle of egos?;)
[14:39] <cjwatson> often, yes
[14:39] <cjwatson> in this case, nobody else joined in ...
[14:39] <cjwatson> (afaict)
[14:40] <vibhav> I dont agree
[14:40] <vibhav> Some people make forks because their patches are not expected
[14:42] <cousin_luigi> Well, in the spirit of freedom one can fork to prove their point. Granted, it tends to disperse talents.
[14:42] <vibhav> yeah
[14:46] <cousin_luigi> bbl
[14:54] <arulmozhi> again. anybody???  how cud I compile a linux device driver module. it seems the older examples won't compile on new kernel... my kernel version is 3.2 rev 20... how to include and what are  the  headers required
[18:04] <geser> infinity: is the armel quantal buildd chroot currently broken?
[18:06] <mr_pouit> geser: there's one broken it seems
[18:07] <mr_pouit> https://launchpad.net/builders/meissa/+history
[18:08] <geser> looks like only meissa is affected as all the CHROOTFAIL I checked are from it
[18:10] <slangasek> ummmm.  Why is rsyslog writing to /var/log/auth.log.1 instead of to /var/log/auth.log?
[18:13] <slangasek> ah, I blame a chroot
[18:35] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[18:45] <mlankhor1t> hey
[20:12] <rzr> hi i am looking for some entry point to "u for android" project
[20:27] <infinity> geser: Thanks for the heads-up.  Tidied up the fallout.
[23:31] <Laney> Looks like rhythmbox can be given back.
[23:39] <bryceh> Laney, heya
[23:40] <bryceh> Laney, I think the latest upload failed to build due to I'm guessing the texlive confusion
[23:40] <Laney> hey bryceh, yeah - just looked like some transient shuffling
[23:42]  * bryceh visualizes a bum lurching through the archive knocking packages over