[01:03] <bazhang> nice work floodbot
[02:51] <bazhang> Malsasa, no need to join here for that
[03:02] <bazhang> Malsasa, please dont idle here
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[14:32] <solderblob> ok, ikonia is a child
[14:32] <solderblob> community chan my ass
[14:32] <solderblob> lulz
[14:32] <ikonia> solderblob: if you calm down, I'm sure this can be resolved.
[14:32] <solderblob> I was calm
[14:32] <solderblob> you start sh.t
[14:32] <LjL> solderblob: if you're here to appeal a ban, do it civilly
[14:32] <ikonia> no, you are not
[14:33] <ikonia> just calm down and I'm sure this can be resolved in a matter of minutes
[14:33] <solderblob> LjL, sure
[14:33] <solderblob> sorry, Im just annoyed that ikonia is banning people because he does not like the way the community supports people
[14:33] <solderblob> he "TOLD me" to do it his way
[14:33] <ikonia> solderblob: if you'll allow me to explain
[14:34] <solderblob> well, you jumped in mid conversation and complained, I did agreed.
[14:34] <ikonia> solderblob: I requested you slowed down and started listening to the problem of the people you are trying to help
[14:34] <solderblob> please. explain.
[14:34] <solderblob> you did NOT request ANYTHING!
[14:34] <solderblob> you "TOLD ME"
[14:34] <ikonia> the person you where throwing videos at to "help" them, had a slightly more complex issue as they where using fake raid (as I'm finding out now)
[14:34] <solderblob> I gave him a video as a helper
[14:34] <ikonia> so throwing the info at them before understanding the problem, especially things like videos isn't going to help them
[14:34] <solderblob> I also showed him a url with text
[14:35] <solderblob> I was ALSO talking to him
[14:35] <ikonia> solderblob: sure, but it's the same principal
[14:35] <ikonia> you are trying to solve without understanding the issue
[14:35] <solderblob> you came in mid conversation.
[14:35] <ikonia> I asked you to slow down and focus on the issue before advising
[14:35] <ikonia> you said no
[14:35] <ikonia> you told me to piss off
[14:35] <ikonia> I told you then, you said no
[14:35] <solderblob> same principle, you told me, some vague thing, you said nothiing about videos
[14:35] <ikonia> I then asked you again
[14:35] <ikonia> I banned you
[14:35] <solderblob> YOU did NOT ask
[14:35] <ikonia> you then started telling me to fuck myself in #ubuntu
[14:35] <solderblob> you told
[14:35] <ikonia> you then started telling me to fuck myself in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:35] <solderblob> you said "IM telling you"
[14:36] <solderblob> look at the logs
[14:36] <ikonia> solderblob: the first time I asked, I only told you after you tols me to "piss off" and "no"
[14:36] <solderblob> you came in mid coversation
[14:36] <solderblob> conversation
[14:36] <ikonia> yes, I did
[14:36] <ikonia> totally agree
[14:36] <ikonia> I only stepped in because you where throwing information at him that was useless
[14:36] <solderblob> why do I have to take your way of explaining stuff?
[14:36] <LjL> solderblob: nothing wrong with "coming in mid conversation" if there's something that needs to be said.
[14:37] <solderblob> LjL, agreed, but he started out with a smart ass comment
[14:37] <solderblob> (yes that is my opinion)
[14:37] <ikonia> it wasn't a smart comment
[14:37] <solderblob> but it was "stop that"
[14:37] <ikonia> it was a request to slow down and read the problems before advising
[14:37] <solderblob> it was a "stop doing that" not a suggestion...
[14:38] <ikonia> 15:28 < ikonia> solderblob: can you stop dishing out random advice to people  and actually try to listen to the problems
[14:38] <ikonia> that is not "stop that"
[14:38] <solderblob> if there is a class i have to take before I answer question, let me know.  I specifically asked in #ubuntu-offtopic, they said go ahead.
[14:38] <ikonia> you then told me to "piss off"
[14:38] <solderblob> I have my way, you have yours, why is yours better?
[14:38] <ikonia> ok, I'm stepping away now as you clearly want to be smart on this
[14:38] <ikonia> LjL: if you chose to finish this, thank you
 solderblob: can you stop dishing out random advice to people and actually try to listen to the problems
[14:39] <solderblob> ^"stop"
[14:39] <solderblob> that is not polite
[14:39] <solderblob> "actually try to listen"
[14:39] <LjL> solderblob: it's simple, his way is "better" because he's an operator here. part of an operator's job is to tell good from bad support, and bad support in #ubuntu can easily be worse than no support.
[14:39] <solderblob> please
[14:40] <solderblob> if you say so.  Its your chan
[14:40] <solderblob> please was directed at ikonia not LjL
[14:41] <solderblob> his way is better because he is an op... that is not a qualification. but ok.
[14:41] <solderblob> I was being polite, he was rude...I was rude back, and I was kicked. lulz.
[14:42] <LjL> solderblob: there's a difference between what he said and what you said. "piss off" is just not acceptable
[14:42] <solderblob> I agree
[14:42] <solderblob> I escalated it
[14:42] <solderblob> but what he said was rude
[14:42] <ikonia> just for the record
[14:42] <ikonia> 15:31 <solderblob> lulz, fucking child.
[14:42] <solderblob> not a justification, just a fact
[14:43] <ikonia> I also got that in pm
[14:43] <solderblob> yes, after you kicked me from the room, you were being a child
[14:43] <solderblob> i said that in #offtopic
[14:43] <solderblob> and then you kicked me there
[14:43] <ikonia> that was also sent to me in a private message
[14:43] <solderblob> ikonia, pm because you kicked me from all places
[14:43] <ikonia> I will again back away now
[14:44] <solderblob> that is childish
[14:44] <solderblob> ikonia, you should have been polite
[14:44] <LjL> solderblob: take your own advice, and don't swear at people following them even in offtopic channels to do it.
[14:44] <LjL> solderblob: he wasn't "rude", he was firm. you were rude.
[14:44] <solderblob> LjL, I will hold the swearing down..
[14:45] <solderblob> he was rude, come on
[14:45] <solderblob> he did even say hi, i dont know who this guy si
[14:45] <solderblob> is*
[14:45] <solderblob> its suppose to be a community chan
[14:45] <mneptok> solderblob: i want you to read something you said carefully, OK?
[14:45] <solderblob> sure
[14:45] <mneptok> 08:40 < solderblob> if you say so.  Its your chan
[14:45] <solderblob> right
[14:45] <solderblob> it is
[14:45] <mneptok> solderblob: "rude" or not, you do as ops request
[14:46] <solderblob> I respect that, i was talk to LjL when i said that...
[14:46] <mneptok> solderblob: you don't like it? you disagree? come here.
[14:46] <mneptok> solderblob: but "he interrupted" and "he was rude" are no excuses for the reaction you had.
[14:47] <mneptok> solderblob: even if they are true.
[14:47] <solderblob> mneptok, a) I didnt know he was an op, ops dont usually act that way in the chans I hang in, b) I though he asked me to do it, not told me, his words...
[14:47] <mneptok> solderblob: ikonia *did* ask
[14:47] <mneptok> solderblob: "can you stop?" is not the same as "you will stop now."
[14:48] <solderblob> and i said no
[14:48] <mneptok> no, you said "08:28 < solderblob> ikonia, piss off, I am listen, thank you
[14:48] <solderblob> because it didnt make any sense, and he rude, it wasnt even advice, it was an insult, who are you kinding
[14:48] <mneptok> such language and attitude is clearly against the Code Of Conduct
[14:48] <solderblob> he said nothign about videos.....>?
[14:48] <mneptok> !coc
[14:49] <solderblob> mneptok, I do not deny the language thing...
[14:49] <solderblob> is that why I got kicked? the language?
[14:49] <mneptok> solderblob: and it is against channel rules. it does not matter if ikonia is an op or not.
[14:49] <solderblob> or because i disagree?
[14:49] <mneptok> solderblob: the language, and the hostile attitude.
[14:49] <solderblob> mneptok, agreed, keep the language civil, my bad
[14:50] <solderblob> mneptok, I agree, i should have just said, thank....and ignored him
[14:50] <solderblob> thanks*
[14:50] <solderblob> no?
[14:50] <solderblob> polite..
[14:50] <solderblob> politely*
[14:50] <mneptok> solderblob: understand, i cannot know ikonia's motivations. but language and attitude would have to change before you convinced *me* to unban you.
[14:51] <solderblob> I dont care if Im unbanned
[14:51] <mneptok> solderblob: i think ikonia thinks similarly. look at how he started the conversation here.
[14:51] <mneptok> 08:32 <+ikonia> solderblob: if you calm down, I'm sure this can be resolved.
[14:51] <mneptok> 08:33 <+ikonia> just calm down and I'm sure this can be resolved in a matter of minutes
[14:52] <solderblob> ok, in here
[14:52] <mneptok> solderblob: it has now been far more than a few minutes. and the reason is the exact same as what got you in trouble in #ubuntu. you need to type less and read more.
[14:52] <solderblob> the comment that started this mneptok was
[14:52] <solderblob> < ikonia> solderblob: can you stop dishing out random advice to people  and actually try to listen to the problems
[14:52] <solderblob> *actually try to listen*
[14:53] <solderblob> sorry, didnt know you could hear what i was listening to...
[14:53] <solderblob> that is why this happened
[14:53] <mneptok> solderblob: OK, you still want to type and type and explain and explain and mitigate and mitigate ... rather than take the time to understand I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU.
[14:54] <mneptok> so, i will stop trying. enjoy your day.
[14:54] <solderblob> i give advice on irc all day...and Im a sysadmin of 60 servers, and 20 workstation, linux only.  Not try to brag, sure you guys have same or more experience, but that comment is why we are here.
[14:54]  * mneptok goes AFK
[14:54] <solderblob> lulz
[14:55] <solderblob> mneptok, well, Im just trying to explain.  clearly I do not hang in the #ubuntu chans often...  Guess there should be a list of social rules...
[14:55] <solderblob> how to kiss ass to ops
[14:55] <solderblob> or plea for forgiveness
[14:55] <ikonia> solderblob: conversation over, please leave the channel and come back when your attitude improves
[14:55] <ikonia> I'll make a note in the log
[14:55] <bazhang> solderblob, lets stop this please
[14:55] <solderblob> or use a proxy to get back in
[14:55] <solderblob> lulz
[14:56] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops solderblob bad bad attitude and langauge, suggestion to evade ban
[14:56] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops solderblob sending more abuse in pm
[15:43] <ikonia> solderblob: we are done here for the moment, please leave.
[17:35] <ikonia> hi IAmNotThatGuy
[17:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hello ikonia
[17:35] <ikonia> hi there, is there something we can help you with ?
[17:36] <Unit193> ikonia: Lubuntu OP.
[17:36] <ikonia> ahh, not identified then, as there is no +
[17:36] <ikonia> thanks Unit193
[17:36] <Unit193> He is, just not added to autovoice.
[17:37] <IAmNotThatGuy> ikonia, I was a bit busy with the office works and missed adding myself to the channel and forgot to follow up regarding the completion of the process.
[17:37] <ikonia> must get that sorted
[17:37] <ikonia> sorry IAmNotThatGuy
[17:38] <IAmNotThatGuy> np ikonia :]
[17:38] <ikonia> ah, you're listed as Mohan-chml in #lubuntu access list, I wonder if you've been setup that way in here
[17:39] <ikonia> nope, just not added
[17:39] <Unit193> IAmNotThatGuy is grouped to Mohan-chml.
[17:39] <Mohan-chml> Aye
[18:06] <ikonia> Unit193: another #lubuntu ?
[18:06] <Unit193> Nope.
[18:06] <ikonia> hi jokerdino
[18:06] <ikonia> Unit193: thank you, thought we may have had a process hole
[18:08] <Unit193> Sure, any time.
[18:16] <ikonia> jokerdino: are you there ?
[18:25] <ikonia> it's ok
[22:28] <prateekp> hello
[22:28] <ikonia> hello, how can we help ?
[22:28] <prateekp> hello ikonia
[22:29] <ikonia> can we help you ?
[22:29] <prateekp> how to run an .flv file in ubuntu
[22:29] <ikonia> you ask in #ubuntu that is the support channel
[22:29] <ikonia> this channel is for operator queries.
[22:29] <ikonia> do you need anything from the operator team ?
[22:30] <prateekp> no one is answering in that ... its a very small issue if u can help
[22:30] <ikonia> prateekp: sorry, you need to ask in #ubuntu, that is the support channel
[22:30] <ikonia> so unless you need something from the operator team, could you please leave this channel and ask in #ubuntu
[22:31] <prateekp> hey what is this ... i am frustated by this attitude of operators . yesterday also i was ignored the same way
[22:31] <prateekp> i am very much dissapointed at this attitude of ubuntu community
[22:31] <ikonia> prateekp: you need to join #ubuntu, ask for help with your issue and leave this channel
[22:31] <IdleOne> prateekp: you are not being ignored, you are being told where to get support.
[22:32] <prateekp> i do not get any support there
[22:32] <IdleOne> prateekp: you must be patient
[22:32] <prateekp> is the issue a big one
[22:32] <ikonia> you have not asked in that channel
[22:32] <ikonia> if you want support you have to ask in the hcannel
[22:32] <ikonia> don't know until it's investigated
[22:32] <ikonia> I suggest asking in #ubuntu so someone can investigate it with you
[22:33] <prateekp> HOPELESS
[22:33] <ikonia> ok, fine
[22:33] <ikonia> type /part
[22:33] <prateekp> type /part