[00:50] <philipballew> cyphase, yeah!
[00:54] <philipballew> ive never really been, can anyone describe the maker fair to me?
[01:02] <cyphase> there are 3 things going on this weekend that i probably wont be able to make :(
[01:02] <cyphase> makerfaire, http://www.northbaywebconference.com/, and the eclipse
[01:07] <philipballew> what are you gonna be doing this weekend cyphase ?
[01:42] <MarkDude> How can you not make the eclipse?
[01:42] <MarkDude> Are you planning on being really drunk?
[01:42] <MarkDude> Or maybe closing your eyes?
[01:42] <MarkDude> :)
[01:42]  * MarkDude kids
[01:42] <MarkDude> because he is a kidder
[01:46] <philipballew> I might, if I owned a telescope
[01:49] <philipballew> MarkDude, so your still having the eclipse party tomorrow with the open bar and inviting everybody right?
[01:49] <philipballew> :)
[01:50] <MarkDude> Maybe
[01:51] <MarkDude> Danville is not too far for folks
[01:51] <MarkDude> We can do a bbq and stuff
[01:51] <MarkDude> Just let me know ahead of time
[01:51] <MarkDude> The gaurdshack wont let you in.... Unless your name is phoned in
[01:52]  * MarkDude ONLY uses fake names for guests
[01:52] <philipballew> LINUX party at MarkDude 's!!!!
[01:53] <MarkDude> grantbow, needed to pick sumthin up from my place. The gaurds loled when I told them Dangerous G was coming soon
[01:53]  * MarkDude did not make G disclose his middle name of MFing
[01:53] <MarkDude> ^^^ True story
[01:54] <philipballew> I need to good name when I do sometime then
[01:59] <philipballew> what does one have to do to get a mf middle name MarkDude ?
[01:59] <MarkDude> It takes a bit
[01:59] <MarkDude> others have to decide it to be proper
[01:59]  * MarkDude will PM you a link of notable MFers
[01:59] <philipballew> a MFing committee
[02:00] <MarkDude> sorta
[02:00]  * philipballew will receive the mf list
[02:00] <MarkDude> #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic
[03:06] <scientes> MarkDude, party really?
[03:07] <MarkDude> We can do a bbq
[03:07]  * MarkDude is always open for a bbq
[03:07] <scientes> where? can you send me an invite?
[03:07] <MarkDude> Well its not planned yet
[03:07] <MarkDude> if we can get at least 5 people interested
[03:08]  * MarkDude is in Danville
[03:08] <MarkDude> Meeting up in Walnut Creek works easier for some
[03:08] <MarkDude> right near bart, and we have heather farms and also civic park
[03:09] <scientes> well u got me signed up
[03:11] <scientes> thats really on the bart way out there
[03:11] <scientes> all pleasanton train
[03:12] <MarkDude> Well danivlle is at least an 45 minute busride from WC
[03:12] <MarkDude> 15 minute drive
[03:12] <scientes> oOo
[03:12] <scientes> when you said close i thought like UDS close
[03:12] <scientes> to the bart
[03:12] <MarkDude> Well WC is better option
[03:13] <MarkDude> Civic park is like a 10 minute walk
[03:13] <MarkDude> from bart
[03:14] <philipballew> MarkDude, whats the day?
[03:15]  * philipballew kinda feels bad that people now expect him to have a party
[03:15] <MarkDude> Sunday
[03:15] <MarkDude> we could meet Sunday afternoon
[03:15] <MarkDude> again this is all last moment- lets go have some fun
[03:15] <MarkDude> the next REAL one is most likely June 23rd
[03:16] <MarkDude> Sponsored party no less, in honor of Beefy Miracle
[03:16] <MarkDude> philipballew, dont feel bad
[03:16] <MarkDude> I love to party
[03:16] <philipballew> ain't no party like a MarkDude party
[03:17] <MarkDude> There ya go
[03:17] <MarkDude> Someone was asking for my help at tech stuff
[03:17]  * MarkDude said he is good at wearing a penguin suit, bbq, and talking
[03:17] <MarkDude> And sometimes wearing a apenguin suit WHILE talking
[03:18] <philipballew> There was a story yesterday about a biker on the tour de California being chased by a guy in a Penguin suit.
[03:18] <philipballew> We now know who stole your suit
[03:19] <akk> ha, that sounds like a story worth reading
[03:19] <akk> Was penguin suit guy also on a bike?
[03:21] <philipballew> Maybe. I saw it on ABC 7 yesterday
[03:23] <scientes> MarkDude, can you send me an invite on the Beefy Miricle
[03:23] <scientes> it got posponed a week, does that change the party date?
[03:27] <MarkDude> Wel the Miracle party will be promoted
[03:27] <MarkDude> And even tho its for another Distro
[03:27]  * MarkDude has set up making sure to have Ubuntu media there for it
[03:27] <MarkDude> as I did last event
[03:28]  * MarkDude met with pleia2 in SF to get that media
[03:28] <MarkDude> was with Nixie Pixel for a flashmob
[03:28] <philipballew> whats the date of the party MarkDude I need an excuse to wear my fedora sgirt
[03:28] <philipballew> *shirt
[03:28] <MarkDude> pleia2, walks up hands a bag over to me- says she has servers to watch
[03:29] <philipballew> servers can watch themselves
[03:29] <MarkDude> Nixie Princess. Princess meet Nixie
[03:29] <philipballew> never met her
[03:29] <MarkDude> Lyz walks off to leave Nixie saying that looked like some FOSS drug deal
[03:30] <MarkDude> Anyway, I digress.
[03:32] <philipballew> thats the youtube girl right?
[03:32] <philipballew> I know no other way to ask
[03:39] <raevol> if anyone wants to take a look at a Unity Dash issue, curious why my fable icons aren't working in unity: http://askubuntu.com/questions/139204/how-can-i-get-the-desktop-name-and-icon-to-show-up-in-unity-for-fable-on-wine
[03:40] <MarkDude> Yes. She is the woman that has made a lving off of video games
[03:40] <MarkDude> Or she is ok with being called that geeky youtube chick
[03:41] <philipballew> Ive never met her, she seems nice though MarkDude
[03:41] <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/markterranova if anyone wants to add me for the tomfoolery
[03:41] <MarkDude> actually she is one of the nicest folks you'll ever meet
[03:42] <philipballew> is she a linux user
[03:43] <MarkDude> Yes.
[03:43] <MarkDude> Linux Mint. Ubuntu. Fedora
[03:43] <MarkDude> thats her preference
[03:43] <MarkDude> in that order
[03:43] <philipballew> Feel free to follow me for the same reasons https://twitter.com/#!/philipballew
[03:44] <philipballew> MarkDude, I have had several people attack linux mint based on the creators, which is a off based stance, though it seems like a nice distro
[03:44]  * MarkDude thought he was already following you
[03:45] <MarkDude> corrected
[03:45] <philipballew> I now follow you as well
[03:45] <MarkDude> well, it gets into culty type stuff
[03:45] <MarkDude> Its like belief systems
[03:46] <philipballew> how so?
[03:46] <MarkDude> I mean I like how Fedora has the Freedom stance, and they take it soooooo far
[03:46] <philipballew> very far
[03:46] <MarkDude> But is comes down to hey- this crap WONT work on this machine
[03:46] <MarkDude> So you end up with driver issues
[03:47] <MarkDude> I think folks that are upset with Mint, have become more upset after Unity
[03:47] <philipballew> it just depends on the kernel shipped for drivers really though
[03:48]  * MarkDude had someone complaining in Fedora about drivers and how they - well lack in some cases
[03:48]  * MarkDude said - you are a vegan now
[03:48] <MarkDude> Ubuntu are vegetarians
[03:48] <MarkDude> they have more choices
[03:49] <philipballew> There upset people switch and find a reason such as the "stealing of money" or the "Antisemitism"
[03:49] <MarkDude> Well maybe vegetarians that also eat fish, but I digress
[03:49] <akk> Fun analogies.
[03:49]  * MarkDude was not up to date  on that, I should read up
[03:49] <MarkDude> lol - I think its accurate - to some extent tho :)
[03:50] <philipballew> all drivers should be opened
[03:50] <philipballew> I dont understand Antisemitism myself so it is hard to relate to being brought up that way
[03:50] <MarkDude> FSF exteme folks  are like raw food eaters. they cant eat it if its been cooked
[03:51]  * MarkDude knows not enough to comment on Mint - its been years since I used it
[03:51] <philipballew> http://thestallmandialogues.com/
[03:51] <philipballew> I dont know enough to make a stance either
[03:51] <MarkDude> Hmmmmm,
[03:52]  * MarkDude feels another talk coming on 
[03:52] <MarkDude> I dont think my veggie> vegan, raw food talk would play outside of West Coast tho
[03:52] <MarkDude> :D
[03:52] <akk> All I know about Mint is that a lot of people are treating it as "Ubuntu without Unity, with old Gnome 2"
[03:52] <akk> and that it seems to have a lot of different versions/offshoots
[03:52] <MarkDude> akk correct again
[03:53] <MarkDude> Well all the names are of women also
[03:53] <akk> and it's green instead of aubergine or orange or brown :)
[03:54]  * MarkDude was ok wthh human color of Ubuntu
[03:54] <MarkDude> But doe snot miss the *what can brown do for you ?* jokes
[03:54] <philipballew> if you want gnome 2, why not just run debian squeeze?
[03:54] <akk> I was glad to see the brown go away. I wanted some color.
[03:55] <philipballew> I like purple myself
[03:55] <akk> Not that I actually use the default desktop anyway, it was just the principle.
[03:55] <akk> The purple is better.
[03:55] <philipballew> hipper as well
[03:55] <akk> Though needing to learn the word "aubergine" to refer to it probably doesn't help newbies.
[03:56] <philipballew> THe brown did set it apart
[03:57] <akk> Mint's green always makes me think of SuSE -- they were green first.
[03:58]  * MarkDude is most liekly going to be turned down for using Fedora Blue in a logo- by RH legal
[03:59] <MarkDude> Soooooo, he is calling their bluff, and saying he will use aubergine
[03:59] <MarkDude> :D
[04:00] <philipballew> SuSE is nice. Its like slackware, without the slackware
[04:00] <MarkDude> And without the Zonker anymore
[04:01] <MarkDude> Suse is dead to me after they got rid of Joe Brockmeir
[04:01] <philipballew> the suse guy at scale told me his take on osx
[04:01] <MarkDude> sp
[04:01] <philipballew> "Unix for Girls"
[04:01] <philipballew> was not sure what to say back
[04:01] <MarkDude> Sounds like sumthin that could be said
[04:02] <MarkDude> by that distro
[04:02] <philipballew> for sure.
[04:02] <MarkDude> actually more likely I would guess Gentoo :D
[04:02] <philipballew> i said, "Yeah! I know tons of women that use that system!"
[04:02] <philipballew> I hope he took it the way I intended
[04:03] <philipballew> I was still able to get a free shirt from them as well
[04:04] <philipballew> I always wonder about gentoo.
[04:04] <philipballew> Its a nice enough system though
[04:05] <MarkDude> nothing wrong with it technically
[04:05] <MarkDude> But its where many trolls go to complete their schooling
[04:05] <MarkDude> IMHO
[04:05] <akk> A lot of smart techies use gentoo.
[04:05] <philipballew> Schooling in what way?
[04:06] <akk> But you can waste a lot of time in the rathole of gentoo re-configuration.
[04:06] <akk> I waste enough time on ubuntu and debian configuration, I don't really need to find a distro that eats up even more of that. :)
[04:06] <philipballew> if you want to go that route, id say arch
[04:07] <akk> Agreed, arch has a lot of the benefits of gentoo (and many of the same problems as well) but is a lot less of a time sink.
[04:07] <akk> (for normal operations ... of course any distro becomes a time sink when something breaks)
[04:08] <philipballew> even in ubuntu.
[04:08] <akk> definitely including ubunt
[04:08] <akk> u
[04:08] <philipballew> I recall back in the brown days spending a solid 15 hours rebuilding my sound just to get it working
[04:09] <akk> but I had more, serious, bustages in arch and gentoo that became showstoppers, whereas with ubuntu I can usually find workarounds
[04:09] <bkerensa> akk: scripts are your friend for configuration :)
[04:09]  * MarkDude spent all sorts of time lurning how to work with debconf to help with video
[04:09]  * bkerensa has a script he runs after every fresh install that installs all the packages he uses and configures everything to the letter :)
[04:09] <MarkDude> Once I felt cool with it, that was removed from Ubuntu
[04:09] <akk> bkerensa: Depends on what's broken. Scripts don't help much if udev isn't creating your device, for example.
[04:10] <bkerensa> yeah true
[04:10] <akk> (a common problem I have with ubuntu)
[04:10] <philipballew> debconf is confusing
[04:10] <bkerensa> FYI... USB 3.0 is for the win!
[04:10] <bkerensa> especially for Ubuntu installs :)
[04:10]  * bkerensa needs to get a SSD soon 
[04:10]  * akk wants an SSD too
[04:12]  * philipballew still runs pata
[04:12] <akk> It's sad how fast stores stopped selling pata stuff.
[04:15] <philipballew> i went to best buy on a papa clearence sale and got a 500 gb
[04:19]  * MarkDude got some usb drives for the party, they were about a dollar a gig
[04:20] <philipballew> i got a mysql flash drive at uds, and its bootstraped with mysql documents
[04:20] <philipballew> very unhappy about this
[04:20] <akk> You can't overwrite them?
[04:22]  * akk needs to find a cheap source for 10 4G usb drives, was surprised to find pangolin doesn't really fit in 2g
[04:22] <philipballew> nope. mkfs wont do anything. or gparted
[04:22] <akk> philipballew: Weird! Are they read-only or something? What's the error?
[04:23] <philipballew> akk, the flash drive boots up as sdb and sdc. sdb is a read only partition showing a bunch of mysql papers that cant be deleted. or mounted as read write.
[04:23] <MarkDude> Office Depot may still have some on sale