[01:28] <FloatingGoat> holstein: SHURE KSM32
[01:28] <FloatingGoat> what do you think of that
[01:31] <FloatingGoat> might buy it
[01:33] <FloatingGoat> holstein:
[01:39] <FloatingGoat> horry shet
[01:39] <FloatingGoat> that production grade
[02:08] <FloatingGoat> anyone?
[03:47] <Eee-M0Nkie> Hey I have a quick question about Ubuntu Studio
[03:47] <Eee-M0Nkie> maybe someone here can help me out
[03:48] <Eee-M0Nkie> 1st How does it run on a laptop?
[03:48] <Eee-M0Nkie> Is it better for a desktop?
[03:49] <Eee-M0Nkie> hello?
[03:53] <len-dt> Eee-M0Nkie, it runs on a lap top or a netbook
[03:54] <Eee-M0Nkie> Ok cool
[03:54] <Eee-M0Nkie> was worried about power
[03:54] <len-dt> better or worse depends on the desktop and the laptop.
[03:55] <len-dt> I have found that memory is more important than cpu speed or power.
[03:55] <Eee-M0Nkie> The Lap top im using is Quad core and 4 gigs ram
[03:56] <len-dt> My netbook has 1 Gig of ram and an atom that runs at 1.6ghz.
[03:56] <len-dt> I can still record glitchless sound.
[03:56] <len-dt> How many tracks or how many softsynths is another question.
[03:57] <Eee-M0Nkie> wow
[03:57] <Eee-M0Nkie> cool so I shoul dbe okay then
[03:57] <Eee-M0Nkie> should*
[03:57] <len-dt> I have had ardour recording two tracks while hydrogen was supplying drums and playing 4 softsynths with up to 4 note at a time.
[03:58] <len-dt> You may need an external sound card.
[03:58] <Eee-M0Nkie> I have one
[03:58] <Eee-M0Nkie> : )
[03:58] <len-dt> Sounds like you are set.
[03:58] <Eee-M0Nkie> was just going to ask if that would help
[03:59] <len-dt> Internal sound cards sound ok on the output, but the input circiutry is not so hot.
[04:00] <Eee-M0Nkie> Thanks for the info
[04:00] <len-dt> No problem
[04:00] <Eee-M0Nkie> I am going to go cut the iso and get started
[04:00] <len-dt> Easiest to use a USB stick
[04:01] <len-dt> Of coarse I have no dvd drive, so that may colour my thoughts
[04:03] <Eee-M0Nkie> I dont have free usb atm
[04:03] <Eee-M0Nkie> lol
[04:03] <Eee-M0Nkie> they all have important tools and various apps
[04:03] <Eee-M0Nkie> for portable use
[04:05] <Eee-M0Nkie> thanks again!
[04:48] <FloatingGoat> holstein: you there?
[08:26] <astraljava> plotino: Your only option would be to see whether there's a newer version in -backports.
[08:40] <astraljava> *oops* Disregard that, poor play with keyboard while thinking the network was down.
[11:23] <Eee-M0Nkie> I am having a blank screen issue after install of UbuntuStudio 12.04
[11:23] <Eee-M0Nkie> need help...
[15:19] <holstein> FloatingGoat: hello?
[15:19] <FloatingGoat> hey
[15:20] <FloatingGoat> should i get the SHURE KSM32
[15:20] <holstein> if you need/like it
[15:21] <FloatingGoat> ut you said et a really good mic
[15:21] <FloatingGoat> is taht one really goot
[15:21] <holstein> i would stay away from anything in the pg series from shure
[15:21] <FloatingGoat> good*
[15:21] <holstein> i think the ksm27 is more bang for the buck
[15:21] <holstein> thats a great mic though if you find a good deal on it
[15:22] <holstein> http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Shure/KSM27
[15:22] <holstein> http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Shure/KSM32
[15:23] <holstein> in that price range, i might go with another brand... but the shure gear is quite nice
[15:33] <FloatingGoat> i'll get it use for like 300 bucks
[15:34] <holstein> used
[15:34] <holstein> i would trus a used shure mic, as long as its what its supposed to be
[15:34] <holstein> trust*
[15:34] <holstein> though, the 27 new is still cheaper
[15:35] <holstein> now.. you find a used ksm27 for $100.. thats a deal :)
[15:35] <FloatingGoat> what do you like that mic?
[15:36] <holstein> i think both will be quite nice FloatingGoat
[15:36] <holstein> the value of the ksm27 is arguably more
[15:36] <FloatingGoat> better than the mxl?
[15:36] <holstein> FloatingGoat: mxl is a paperweight
[15:36] <FloatingGoat> you think its production grade?
[15:36] <holstein> you cant even compare the 2
[15:36] <FloatingGoat> the 27
[15:36] <FloatingGoat> ?
[15:36] <holstein> unless you want to go into the higher end mxl's
[15:37] <holstein> and i wouldnt
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> idk man i think the mxl sounds good
[15:37] <holstein> in that price range, you can get so much better mics, such as the ones wer are talking about
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> but im willing to go higher
[15:37] <holstein> we*
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> but ill buy used since used retains the products value
[15:37] <holstein> in theory
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> ii can just sell it for what i bought it when i need my money back
[15:37] <holstein> assuming it is what it is, and its working
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> yeah lol
[15:38] <holstein> im dealing with a used mic repair right now
[15:38] <holstein> its taking forever.. over a year
[15:38] <FloatingGoat> :'(
[15:38] <holstein> eh.. i got time to wait... but still
[15:38] <holstein> if you like the mxl, get it
[15:38] <FloatingGoat> naw
[15:38] <holstein> i have had one.. one of the higher end ones
[15:38] <holstein> sounded OK
[15:38] <FloatingGoat> i need something that will make my vocals sound like bejeebus
[15:39] <holstein> gold in gold out...
[15:39] <holstein> i wouldnt expect the equipment to "make you a star" so to speak
[15:39] <FloatingGoat> used 27's go for around 150
[15:39] <holstein> thats OK i suppose
[15:39] <holstein> not much more for a new one
[15:40] <FloatingGoat> no i have some really great tracks that im going to run through production grade synths
[15:40] <holstein> i dont know what that means
[15:40] <FloatingGoat> alls left to do is finish writing the songs and record
[15:40] <holstein> im not sure how you can run a track through a synth
[15:40] <holstein> synths are just synthgs
[15:40] <holstein> synths*
[15:40] <FloatingGoat> no i mean
[15:40] <FloatingGoat> I made them in LMMS
[15:40] <holstein> theres not really a "production grade" synth
[15:41] <holstein> its all just MIDI, and/or samples
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> yeah there is lol
[15:41] <holstein> its up to you to keep them clean
[15:41] <holstein> FloatingGoat: nah
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> like the sh*t deamau5 uses n stuff
[15:41] <holstein> FloatingGoat: not really
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> thats high quality sh*t
[15:41] <holstein> nah
[15:41] <holstein> its all just samples
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> sounded good on flac
[15:41] <holstein> flac, wav.. whatever
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> yeah thats what i mean
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> need better samples
[15:41] <holstein> its just a samples
[15:41] <holstein> better is arguable
[15:42] <FloatingGoat> and im going to plug them into the piano roll
[15:42] <holstein> and a matter of opinion
[15:42] <FloatingGoat> idk my music now is missing something man
[15:42] <FloatingGoat> needs better quality samples
[15:42] <holstein> i dont care what you run them through, its just a sample
[15:42] <holstein> and the end result is likely CD.. or worse.. mp3
[15:42] <holstein> so, no one will notice, or care about any of this ;)
[15:42] <holstein> nothing wrong with keeping tracks clean though
[15:43] <holstein> i dont do a lot with samples or sampling though
[15:43] <holstein> i do mostly recording of acoustic instruments
[15:43] <FloatingGoat> yeah its really had for me to get real recordings
[15:44] <holstein> well, looking at your environment, and some key pieces of gear can be an easy way to clean up your signal
[15:44] <holstein> assuming you need/want to make your own samples
[15:44] <holstein> otherwise, get out your wallet, buy some samples, and enjoy :)
[15:46] <FloatingGoat> whats 129 sound for the 27?
[15:46] <holstein> depends
[15:46] <holstein> if its clean and new-ish, thats a good deal
[15:46] <holstein> its a great mic
[15:46] <holstein> for that $$
[15:47] <FloatingGoat> i might have to take a look at it
[15:47] <FloatingGoat> a pawn shop posted an ad for one on craigslist
[15:48] <holstein> cool
[15:48] <holstein> you could probably make a cash offer then
[15:48] <holstein> i would go in with $100, and walk slowly out the door if they refuse it
[15:51] <FloatingGoat> lol
[15:51] <FloatingGoat> come back in with 130?
[15:52] <FloatingGoat> maybe i can get them down to like 110
[15:52] <FloatingGoat> its a small shop so possible
[15:54] <FloatingGoat> http://images.craigslist.org/5L25If5M63E63Fa3Nec5187aedca413591dcd.jpg
[15:55] <FloatingGoat> that look in good condition
[15:55] <FloatingGoat> ?
[16:01] <holstein> doesnt matter what the case looks like
[16:01] <holstein> those are sturdy mics though
[16:02] <holstein> thats a good value at 130
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> is that real?
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> yeah it seems a good value
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> seeing as they go for 300 new
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> >.>
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> and you said to emulate the studio
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> so use mic right? :P
[16:05] <FloatingGoat> used*
[16:05] <holstein> FloatingGoat: they are $180 new
[16:05] <FloatingGoat> MY LIFE IS A LIE
[16:05] <holstein> the ksm27 is not the ksm32
[16:05] <FloatingGoat> 32's are 500 new!
[16:06] <holstein> FloatingGoat: the only way to emulate the studio is to do just that
[16:06] <FloatingGoat> just do what?
[16:06] <holstein> get nice mics and preamps and rooms and other equipment
[16:06] <holstein> this is a decent mic
[16:06] <holstein> studios use it
[16:06] <holstein> will you sound good with it?
[16:06] <FloatingGoat> yeah son!
[16:06] <holstein> i have no idea
[16:06] <FloatingGoat> you want to hear what i already have on my sh*t mic?
[16:06] <holstein> if you got crap preamps, then that'll be the bottleneck
[16:06] <holstein> FloatingGoat: sure
[16:07] <FloatingGoat> okay sec
[16:07] <FloatingGoat> well i was tinking of gettin a cheap behriner
[16:08] <holstein> yup
[16:08] <holstein> and those are just that
[16:08] <holstein> cheap
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> lol bro
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> im not spending 200 bucks on a mixer
[16:08] <holstein> *no* studio uses *any* behringer preamps
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> ill do that on my computer
[16:08] <holstein> FloatingGoat: nope.. but you could spend $200 on a nice preamp
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> no bro
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> thats too much yo
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> i dont even know how to use it
[16:08] <holstein> FloatingGoat: then, id say, dont bother with the mic either
[16:09] <holstein> FloatingGoat: are you a computer guy?
[16:09] <FloatingGoat> to an extend
[16:09] <FloatingGoat> extent
[16:09] <holstein> imagine i come to you right now and i say i want to use a 486 for something
[16:09] <holstein> right now..
[16:09] <holstein> you could propose some slim linux scenarios
[16:09] <holstein> you could propose embedded
[16:10] <holstein> but, really... today, i would need a moderate baseline system
[16:10] <holstein> or, i might as well not bother
[16:10] <holstein> OR, just accept the sub-par performance of the 486
[16:10] <holstein> and thats what im saying to you
[16:10] <holstein> you dont have the base line minimum yet
[16:10] <holstein> you dont *need* to spend a bunch of money
[16:10] <holstein> you dont need a mixer at all
[16:11] <FloatingGoat> http://ubuntuone.com/7S78zngXCIaduAmv1F05dH
[16:11] <holstein> but, you can see what a studio has and emulate that as best as you can
[16:11] <holstein> a studio would charge you $120 an hour
[16:11] <holstein> and you are going to pay that for your microphone
[16:11] <FloatingGoat> Art Tube MP Professional Mic Preamp/Processor
[16:11] <holstein> how can you expect to compete or compare with that without some decent tools?
[16:11] <FloatingGoat> what about that shet
[16:12] <holstein> thats a good cheap step up
[16:12] <holstein> how do you get in the computer with it?
[16:12] <holstein> you want to keep that clean
[16:12] <FloatingGoat> connectors
[16:12] <holstein> FloatingGoat: right
[16:12] <holstein> FloatingGoat: thats awful too
[16:12] <FloatingGoat> maybe a really good usb sound card
[16:12] <holstein> FloatingGoat: you need some USB interface, and those can come with pre's
[16:12] <holstein> so, i usually say its a better value to get a USB device with preamps on it
[16:13] <FloatingGoat> really?
[16:13] <holstein> sure
[16:13] <FloatingGoat> Art USB Dual Pre PS Two Channel Preamp with USB
[16:13] <holstein> FloatingGoat: yeah, your tracks are OK
[16:13] <FloatingGoat> thats not my favorite one
[16:13] <FloatingGoat> hmm
[16:13] <holstein> couple little tweaks and you'll clean that up
[16:13] <holstein> i would get the $30 tupe preamp
[16:14] <holstein> and the $30 USB beringer inferface
[16:14] <FloatingGoat> http://ubuntuone.com/3TSelC5UAIGI2O9KAf1Hxa I like this one a lot i made it a while back, one of my first tracks
[16:14] <holstein> OR, just some maudio all-in-one for $100
[16:14] <holstein> i mean, those samples are "in the box"
[16:15] <holstein> and thats what you mostly do
[16:15] <holstein> maybe you just create the tracks, the midi ones, take them to a studio and sing over them
[16:15] <holstein> you could knock a bunch out in a few hours
[16:15] <FloatingGoat> what does in the box mean
[16:15] <FloatingGoat> i dont think i could though
[16:16] <holstein> FloatingGoat: the computer is responisble for creating and/or rendering those sounds
[16:16] <holstein> the mic doesnt matter
[16:16] <FloatingGoat> because it takes a lot of trial and error for me
[16:16] <holstein> the sound card doesnt matter
[16:16] <holstein> the preamps dont matter
[16:16] <holstein> for all intents and purposes, that music sounds as good as its ever going to sound, assuming you render it properly
[16:16] <holstein> the vocals can get cleaner
[16:17] <holstein> FloatingGoat: you dont think you could what?
[16:17] <holstein> go in the studio?
[16:17] <holstein> you just pay them and go... its a service, like buying a sandwich
[16:17] <FloatingGoat> no i mean
[16:18] <FloatingGoat> its hard for me to get a good recordin
[16:18] <holstein> yeah
[16:18] <holstein> thats why folks pay and get paid for this stuff
[16:18] <holstein> its not easy
[16:18] <holstein> sounds good though
[16:19] <holstein> i say, save some money, and buy some smart versitile gear at a good value
[16:19] <holstein> that mic is a good start
[16:19] <FloatingGoat> thats why i i think it would be better to get my own mic
[16:19] <holstein> FloatingGoat: i have my own mic
[16:19] <FloatingGoat> and like spend all day recording
[16:19] <FloatingGoat> one song
[16:19] <holstein> do what you want.. im just throwing out suggestions
[16:19] <holstein> all the options
[16:19] <holstein> anyways.. gotta run!.. enjoy!
[16:19] <holstein> nice tracks!
[16:20] <FloatingGoat> later bro and thanks
[16:20] <FloatingGoat> lol D:
[16:20] <FloatingGoat> :D*
[17:05] <thebishop> does anyone have a Korg Padkontrol?  What software do you use with it?
[17:45] <Len-nb> thebishop, i do not have one, but it seems to me it is a type of midi controller? Is that correct?
[18:11] <MaynardWaters> whats that other channel, #opensourcemuscians?
[18:12] <MaynardWaters> missing an i, silly
[18:52] <qarma> alguien ofrece ayuda en español? porfavor