[00:03] <penguin42> yes, those broadcasting under managers are dangerous
[00:20] <broder> Laney: do you still need a give-back on rhythmbox?
[03:48] <bobweaver> Hello there I am trying to make a ubuntu core installation happen. but for some reason I can not chroot into the mounted /mnt/root I get the error chroot: failed to run command  `/bin/bash': Exec format error. Any ideas what is going on ? Also if this is the wrong channel I am sorry just point me to the correct one thanks a bunch :)
[03:50] <bobweaver> never mind it is the arch that the host live cd is on sorry to waste your time.
[04:20] <scientes> whats the name of the privacy control panel?
[04:20] <scientes> (source)
[04:21] <scientes> gnome-control-center doesn't seem to have it
[04:21] <Chauncellor> Hi, I'm trying to develop a lens for Unity via a quickly template - when I try to install/run it (via sudo quickly install and quickly run) I get errors the lens not being provided by any service files: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name unity.singlet.lens.wikipedia was not provided by any .service files
[04:21] <scientes> (and why does finding out what  programs are in gnome so damn difficult)
[04:21] <Chauncellor> scientes, activity-log-manager
[04:22] <Chauncellor> scientes, my bad, not that....
[04:22] <scientes> i'm just trying to figure out how it does it
[04:22] <scientes> so i can add similar functionality to my application
[04:22] <scientes> (well just an opt-out of zeitgeist)
[04:23] <slangasek> kees: hmm.  does bug #637303 look familiar?
[06:00] <finch> Hello folks, I'm working on a puppet provider for network interfaces, and I have some questions about the allow-hotplug stanza. Is that value used these days, or is everything handled via udev for hotplugged network devices?
[06:25] <vibhav> Can https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-scipy/+bug/655192 be nominated for oneiric?
[06:29] <micahg> vibhav: done
[06:29]  * vibhav hugs micahg 
[06:53] <vibhav> The version of python-scipy in oneiric is 0.9.0+dfsg1-1build1 , what should be version for the Ubuntu Delta?
[06:53] <vibhav> micahg: ^
[06:53] <micahg> 0.9.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu0.1
[06:54] <vibhav> remove the build?
[06:54] <micahg> yes
[07:12] <vibhav>  can
[07:12] <vibhav> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/932439
[07:12] <vibhav>                 be nominated for oneiric?
[09:35] <micahg> Daviey: prettytable is trying to pull python-support back into main
[09:44] <Laney> broder: looks like it
[09:45] <Daviey> micahg: nah it aint.
[09:46] <micahg> Daviey: sure, with your upload :)
[09:46] <Laney> or one of you two could do it for me
[09:46] <Laney> ubuntu-build rhythmbox quantal retry
[09:46] <Laney> ^o)
[09:46] <Daviey> micahg: I think you are mistaken :)
[09:46] <micahg> Daviey: I meant that your new upload just fixed it
[09:47] <Daviey> Laney: given back
[09:47] <Laney> cheers boss
[09:47] <vibhav> Can https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/932439 be nominated for oneiric?
[09:49] <jtaylor> vibhav: please prepare 655192 according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates first please
[09:51] <vibhav> jtaylor: What is wrong in the debdiff I provided?
[09:51] <vibhav> 655192 according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates first  please
[09:54] <jtaylor> the debdiff is fine, but the bug description updated a bit
[09:54] <vibhav> like?
[09:54] <jtaylor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[09:54] <vibhav> Oh wait
[09:54] <Daviey> *sigh* http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673618 .. it's already using dh_python3 .. but refusing to use dh_python2.
[09:55] <Laney> what debdiff?
[09:56] <jtaylor> Daviey: this is to be expected from morph, never mention you're related to ubuntu to him :)
[09:56] <micahg> Daviey: not mostly, actually deprecated: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.python/6948
[09:57]  * Laney fails at voting in the diversity GR
[09:59] <Daviey> jtaylor: he took the python3 patch from us. *sigh*
[09:59] <Laney> perhaps some other member of DPMT could broker a deal
[09:59] <jtaylor> unlikely
[10:00]  * Daviey replies
[10:00] <Laney> is there some kind of team policy around switching from python-support for example?
[10:00] <jtaylor> other dpmt members also refuse dh_python2 patches
[10:00] <vibhav> jtaylor: Not sure what to put in the [Regression Potential] section
[10:01] <jtaylor> vibhav: e.g. low, just adds dependencies
[10:02] <vibhav> jtaylor: done
[10:02]  * micahg would think it should be escalated if the team is being obstructionist
[10:03] <jtaylor> its no release goal in debian to remove pysupport
[10:04] <jtaylor> the python team is not very ubuntu friendly in the first place mainly to how python maintenance is done, I would advise against pouring oil into the fire
[10:04] <vibhav> jtaylor: Is the bug description fine?
[10:04] <jtaylor> just patch it in ubuntu and wait
[10:04] <micahg> yeah, I guess it's not a release goal for wheezy
[10:04] <micahg> maybe for wheezy + 1
[10:05] <micahg> we're still ~700 packages away from being done anyways: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/dh-python2.html
[10:06] <jtaylor> vibhav: you should also mention why -imaging is added
[10:06] <vibhav> jtaylor: Why did you add -imaging to the recommends?
[10:07] <jtaylor> vibhav: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648036
[10:09] <vibhav> jtaylor: jtaylor Done
[10:09] <vibhav> oops
[10:11] <jtaylor> the latest fftw3 update in unstable pulls in openmpi, that would need patching out in ubuntu?
[10:11] <jtaylor> as its in main
[10:15] <jtaylor> vibhav: looks ok I'll check it later
[10:15] <vibhav> thanks
[10:15] <jtaylor> *upload
[13:57] <Bluefoxicy> it looks to me like Ubuntu doesn't recognize SSD, and thus doesn't put 'discard' into the fs options for SSD partitions
[14:04] <broder> Bluefoxicy: you can set the discard option regardless of whether or not there's an ssd involved - it'll gracefully fallback to a noop if the device doesn't support it, but we're following upstream's decision to leave it "by default until sufficient testing has been done"
[14:04] <Bluefoxicy> broder ah
[14:05] <Bluefoxicy> broder:  what about setting deadline scheduler on SSD?
[14:05] <broder> don't know anything about that
[14:05] <Bluefoxicy> it's supposedly faster than CFQ
[14:06] <Bluefoxicy> basically noop is just FIFO, deadline will try to get reads scheduled before writes, and CFQ will try to be fair and account for how close sectors are to each other so as to reduce seek time
[14:06] <ion> [citation needed] (not sarcastically, i’m interested sincerely)
[14:06] <Bluefoxicy> of course there's no seek time on an SSD
[14:07] <Bluefoxicy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464706
[14:07] <ion> Thanks
[14:08] <Bluefoxicy> you can set these through /sys/block/[device]/queue/scheduler
[14:08] <Bluefoxicy> I'm using CFQ on my hard drive and Deadline on my SSD right now
[14:08] <Bluefoxicy> forum post of course says set it on the kernel command line, but that's system-wide default
[14:08] <Bluefoxicy> something like maybe
[14:08] <Bluefoxicy> check_trim() {
[14:08] <Bluefoxicy>         sudo hdparm -I "$1" | grep -q "Data Set Management TRIM supported" && return 0
[14:08] <Bluefoxicy>         return 1
[14:08] <Bluefoxicy> }
[14:09] <Bluefoxicy> check_trim /dev/sda && echo deadline >/sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
[14:09] <Bluefoxicy> and so on
[14:09] <Bluefoxicy> but with something to read /etc/fstab, build an array of all the block devices with partitions to mount, and then loop through them
[14:09] <broder> if you were going to do that, i'd look more directly at /sys/block/sda/queue/rotational
[14:10] <Bluefoxicy> nice :)
[14:10] <broder> but basically, i think ubuntu is fairly unlikely to pick something like that up without upstream kernel buy-in
[14:11] <Bluefoxicy> I don't think the kernel will ever auto-deadline
[14:11] <broder> you could imagine it auto-nooping for non-rotational disks
[14:12] <Bluefoxicy> on the one hand you might say, since the kernel can see it's non-rotational maybe it should stop taking a "Default Scheduler" approach and instead implement a smart policy that applies deadline to non-rotational media and CFQ to rotational media
[14:12] <Bluefoxicy> but this argument has already come and gone
[14:12] <Bluefoxicy> the kernel developers--Linus especially--do not support policy in kernel
[14:12] <broder> hmm, fair
[14:12] <broder> ok, i guess you could take it to upstream udev
[14:12] <Bluefoxicy> This happened with grsecurity/PaX etc
[14:12] <Bluefoxicy> yeah udev makes sense
[14:13] <Bluefoxicy> in fact udev makes a lot of sense
[14:13]  * Bluefoxicy checks to see if his cell phone shows up as non-rotational media
[14:14] <Bluefoxicy> odd, it does.  (it's an SD card)
[14:14] <penguin42> why do you say odd?
[14:15] <Bluefoxicy> sorry, it shows up as a spinning disk
[14:15] <Bluefoxicy> ~# cat /sys/block/sdc/queue/rotational
[14:15] <Bluefoxicy> 1
[14:15] <penguin42> ah yeh, that's odd
[14:15] <broder> usb doesn't expose the rotational flag
[14:16] <Bluefoxicy> yeah
[14:16] <Bluefoxicy> i was gonna say, this would be useful for things like USB flash drives too, except it's ... not.
[14:16] <geser> do you get a 0 for any block device? I get only ones for "cat /sys/block/*/queue/rotational"
[14:17] <Bluefoxicy> geser:  I have an SSD
[14:17] <Bluefoxicy> / is on SSD, /home/_vm/ is on SSD (I tried putting it in /var/vm/ and Ubuntu decided to delete its contents during installation, so screw that), /home/ is a spinning disk system
[14:19] <geser> I get 1 for even /sys/block/ram0/queue/rotational (isn't this from a tmpfs mount?)
[14:19] <Bluefoxicy> heh
[14:20] <Bluefoxicy> this is a mess :P
[14:27] <Bluefoxicy> Chromium is so friggin' awesome
[14:27] <Bluefoxicy>  2806 bluefox   20   0 1708m 690m  34m S    5  8.8 599:21.25 chromium-browse
[14:27] <Bluefoxicy>  
[14:28] <Bluefoxicy> 690MB!?
[14:28] <Bluefoxicy> 2806	Plug-in Shockwave Flash
[14:31] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: Can you see it in the developer tools , it has some profiles/heap snapshotting etc
[14:31] <Bluefoxicy> penguin42:  ???
[14:32] <Bluefoxicy> penguin42:  I pulled up the memory stats and Chromium informed me that the huge 700 meg process was just the Flash plug-in doing nothing.
[14:32] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: chromium's tools menu has a task manager and developer tools option, it shows you which tab is using what memory (to some degree)
[14:33] <Bluefoxicy> the next biggest process is the browser itself at 230MB, and then the biggest actual tab eats about 55MB
[14:33] <Bluefoxicy> so ... Flash is a ridiculous memory hog.
[15:22]  * vibhav hugs jtaylor 
[17:50] <melodie> hi
[17:50] <melodie> is it possible to ask a pair of questions about the topic "LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch" please ?
[17:51] <melodie> the link is : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[17:51] <melodie> is it ok to ask here ?
[17:54] <JanC> I suppose it's okay to ask (depending on the exact question, there might be better places to ask, but people can point you there then)
[17:54] <melodie> I would like to know if the part mentioning "There is a problem with 10.04 upstart package not containing /sbin/initctl.distrib ... " is still valid for Precise ? and if no one here knows, where could I ask ?
[17:54] <melodie> hi JanC
[17:56] <melodie> and in fact I don't understand at all this part, it lacks information
[17:57] <melodie> and what does "sudo chroot chroot" mean ? Never seen chrooting that way before : is it the right command, or maybe, some mistake ?
[17:58] <melodie> thanks for all pointers. :)
[18:02] <penguin42> I think the second one is the directory of your chroot - ie. sudo chroot /whereever/you/put/yourchroot
[18:06] <melodie> penguin42, I get it. I thank you !
[18:06] <JanC> melodie: upstart-specific questions can also be asked in #upstart (but not so many people are active there) or on the upstart mailing list
[18:06] <melodie> ahem... what does "upstart" mean ?
[18:07] <melodie> I am there and I see a few persons
[18:08] <JanC> upstart is the init system used in Ubuntu, basically the first program started by the kernel that then starts all other programs needed by the OS
[18:08] <JanC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init
[18:14] <melodie> JanC, thank you very much !*
[18:15] <JanC> I don't know what that specific issue is/was about, BTW, or whether it's fixed now
[18:23] <melodie> JanC, ok thanks
[18:27] <melodie> I am reading the page of the bug report. It more or less looks like an egg and hen problem
[18:53] <melodie> cool the comment #44 is to say the chroot pb is solved ! I'll fetch someone to update the howto maybe ? I read the rest just in case
[18:54] <JanC> melodie: it's a wiki?  ;)
[18:55] <JanC> (although maybe the help part is locked, not sure?)
[18:56] <melodie> JanC, I don't know yet but I will try to discover, and if needed will visit #ubuntu-doc (if it still exists of course)
[18:58] <melodie> JanC, are we are being cooking now, I'll first finish to read that page to make sure the bug fix is effective, then I will look further. anyhow, thanks for your support !
[18:58] <JanC> melodie: you can log in using your Ubuntu SSO account (the same account/password as used by UbuntuOne & Launchpad)
[18:58] <melodie> JanC, ok
[18:59] <melodie> I meant, I'll have to look at the rest a little later. :)
[19:04] <JanC> yes, and "smakelijk" / "bon appétit" / "Mahlzeit" / "enjoy your meal" or whatever they say in your country...  ;)
[19:21] <melodie> JanC, merci ! bon appétit aussi ! smakelijk too !
[19:21] <melodie> bbl
[19:21] <JanC> :) I ate a couple of hours ago  ;)
[22:54] <malkauns> any X11 experts here?  How do i programatically create a new virtual X display?
[22:54] <malkauns> like NX
[22:55] <mlankhor1t> malkauns: things like Xnest/ephyr?
[22:55] <malkauns> mlankhor1t, what's that?
[22:56] <malkauns> nested X server?
[22:56] <mlankhor1t> apt-cache show xserver-xephyr / xnest