[00:00] <ali1234> so?
[00:00] <daftykins> just a bit horrifying
[00:01] <daftykins> heh i love Microsoft's sites
[00:01] <daftykins> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/
[00:01] <daftykins> spot the repetition? :)
[00:04] <yothsoggoth> Yeah, they had that microsoft tent thing at my university
[00:23] <szymon_g> hi
[00:25] <szymon_g> anyone alive here :)?
[00:25] <yothsoggoth> yeah
[00:31] <daftykins> ...for now
[00:33] <szymon_g> ok, i got an error duriing installation of ubuntu; now my /etc/apt/sources.list is almost empty (they are only 3 entries pointing to cdroom). is there any easy way to correct that?
[00:33] <daftykins> yeah, which version?
[00:34] <szymon_g> 12.04. but i've found its copy, so its ok now :)
[00:35] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[00:35] <szymon_g> anyway- how can i stop a module from loading during boot? i mean: my graphic card isn't properly working on open drivers, during normal boot system hangs with unusable screen
[00:35] <daftykins> crisis averted
[00:36] <szymon_g> removing quiet and splash options from grub doesn't help
[00:36] <daftykins> so it's dying even before X, on the boot logo?
[00:36] <szymon_g> yes
[00:36] <daftykins> i'd either install a proprietary driver, configure X to use something else or look up how to disable whichever one is failing hard
[00:37] <daftykins> but off hand i have no idea how to disable nouveau for example, for nvidia
[00:37] <ali1234> you have to use jockey from the terminal
[00:37] <ali1234> !jockey
[00:37] <szymon_g> "jockey"?
[00:37]  * ali1234 pokes lubotu3
[00:38] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/6521/how-can-i-reconfigure-the-nvidia-proprietary-drivers-from-the-command-line-ssh
[00:39] <ali1234> the second answer is better
[00:40] <daftykins> time to boot into that kernel update
[00:41] <szymon_g> hm... 287mb of disk and 90 new packages to install just to install drivers :/
[00:43] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/138736/which-packages-provide-the-pictured-gnome-panel-applets
[00:52] <szymon_g> how secure is the "home folder encryption"? can root gain an access to files encrypted with it?
[00:52] <szymon_g> what if he will change the password of that user, and than log in with it?
[01:09] <ali1234> szymon_g: changing the password and logging in isn't enough
[01:09] <ali1234> however if the user is logged in at the same time as root i'm not sure
[01:09] <ali1234> at the very least they could probably steal the encryption key directly from /dev/mem, though it would be none-trivial
[01:10] <ali1234> or make a keylogger etc
[01:11] <szymon_g> does ecryptfs use aes-ni features of newer processors (better sandy bridge, all ivy bridge, trinity etc)?
[01:11] <szymon_g> if yes: what are the performance benefits?
[01:30] <mirkoslavko> hello everyone
[01:30] <mirkoslavko> !!
[01:30] <mirkoslavko> :)
[01:30] <mirkoslavko> anyone not sleeping? :)
[01:31] <daftykins> about to leave
[01:31] <mirkoslavko> ok
[01:31] <daftykins> >:D
[01:31] <mirkoslavko> just a short question :)
[01:31] <daftykins> oh?
[01:31] <mirkoslavko> how to make ubuntu 12.04 look like windows 7
[01:31] <mirkoslavko> want to trick some of colegues into believing they are using win7 as we are now switching to ubuntu totaly
[01:32] <daftykins> hahaha
[01:32] <mirkoslavko> i found youtube and other tutorials for older ubuntu versions
[01:32] <mirkoslavko> :)
[01:32] <mirkoslavko> yeah
[01:32] <mirkoslavko> :)
[01:32] <daftykins> tbh i don't even run it, maybe someone else will have an idea
[01:32] <mirkoslavko> but they dont work for 12.04
[01:32] <mirkoslavko> ok
[01:32] <mirkoslavko> what do you u use?
[01:32] <mirkoslavko> debian?
[01:33] <daftykins> ubuntu server for servers, win7 on desktop+laptop :)
[01:33] <daftykins> ooh, and ubuntu on my HTPC
[01:33] <daftykins> but that just boots into XBMC really \o/
[01:33] <mirkoslavko> interesting chocie for htpc
[01:34] <mirkoslavko> xbmc is linux version also?
[01:35] <daftykins> yep
[01:35] <daftykins> windows, mac, linux
[01:35] <daftykins> even on iphones and ipad now D:
[01:35] <mirkoslavko> niiicee
[01:36] <yothsoggoth> For making ubuntu look like Windows 7, you could use either XFCE or KDE and install a Windows 7-like theme
[01:37] <mirkoslavko> thank you yothsoggoth
[01:38] <yothsoggoth> no worries
[01:38] <mirkoslavko> xfce is some program to install before?
[01:38] <mirkoslavko> do you maybe have some link or tutorial
[01:39] <mirkoslavko> i am also interested also in changing position of menue and task bar to be like win7
[01:39] <yothsoggoth> XFCE is a Desktop Environment, as are KDE, Gnome, etc.
[01:39] <yothsoggoth> one second, I have a great link somewhere for a list of these...
[01:39] <yothsoggoth> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-different-desktop-environments-and-shells-are-available
[01:40] <mirkoslavko> aha
[01:40] <mirkoslavko> kde looks like win7 menues
[01:40] <mirkoslavko> thank you again
[01:40] <yothsoggoth> if you wanted, you could use Kubuntu or Xubuntu, which are Ubuntu spins designed specifically with the different desktop environments
[01:41] <daftykins> nn all
[01:41] <daftykins> i'm off
[01:41] <yothsoggoth> good night daftykins!
[01:42] <yothsoggoth> mirkoslavko: You might find this interesting: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/?content=104232
[01:43] <mirkoslavko> good N ;)
[01:43] <yothsoggoth> I haven't used it or anything, I just found it searching now, but it looks like it might be what you're looking for
[01:43] <mirkoslavko> and kubuntu is basically ubuntu just with different look?
[01:44] <mirkoslavko> ubuntu 12.04?
[01:46] <yothsoggoth> Yeah, pretty much
[01:46] <ali1234> what? no way
[01:46] <yothsoggoth> You can just install Kubuntu on your normal Ubuntu install if you like, but Kubuntu is specifically built with KDE in mind
[01:46] <ali1234> kde is very different
[01:46] <ali1234> much more than just the look. the whole design philosophy is totally different
[01:50] <yothsoggoth> Ah, my bad. I thought it was just like a spin that focuses on using KDE and KDE-related programs. What's so different about it?
[01:51] <mirkoslavko> i read on one link: If you have regular Ubuntu installed, you can also install it from the Software Center, just look for kubuntu-desktop in it.
[01:51] <mirkoslavko> BUT i tryed this and it doesnt work
[01:51] <mirkoslavko> it cant find it
[01:52] <yothsoggoth> Once you've installed it, you have to log off
[01:52] <yothsoggoth> Then in the login screen you have to select KDE as the desktop shell
[01:53] <yothsoggoth> I think that's how it's done anyway, I'm just guessing based on my experience of installing other desktop environments. Can anyone confirm?
[01:53] <ali1234> yothsoggoth: oh it is. but KDE is a lot more than just unity with different graphics
[01:54] <ali1234> same base packages though
[01:55] <mirkoslavko> yothsoggoth i cant install it
[01:55] <yothsoggoth> ali1234: Ahh, yeah I didn't mean to imply it was just graphically different, my bad.
[01:55] <yothsoggoth> mirkoslavko: Why not? Do you get an error or does nothing happen once you've installed it?
[01:56] <mirkoslavko> no
[01:56] <mirkoslavko> i go where all the sofware is: dash home
[01:56] <mirkoslavko> and type in kubuntu desktop
[01:56] <mirkoslavko> and it says cant find it
[01:56] <yothsoggoth> You won't find it in there, it's not a program that you just run... See what I wrote above, about logging out and selecting it from the login screen
[01:57] <mirkoslavko> yes i understand that
[01:57] <mirkoslavko> but how to install it
[01:57] <ali1234> actually if you go to the apps lense and put in "kubuntu-desktop" that should give you the option to install it i think
[01:57] <ali1234> note the -
[01:57] <ali1234> but be warned, it installs LOADS of stuff
[01:57] <ali1234> also you might have o use an advanced package manager like synaptic to find the metapackage
[01:58] <mirkoslavko> where is apps lense?
[01:58] <ali1234> you open the dash and then click on the second small icon at the bottom
[01:58] <yothsoggoth> ali1234: Does that app lens suggest to install things? That's neat
[01:58] <ali1234> yes, if they are not installed
[01:58] <ali1234> the main dash used to, but everyone hated it
[01:58] <mirkoslavko> aha found ubuntu software center
[01:59] <ali1234> in software center you might need to select "show technical items" or something
[01:59] <ali1234> i dunno, i never use any of that stuff
[01:59] <ali1234> you should really try a livecd anyway
[01:59] <ali1234> KDE isn't for everyone
[01:59] <ali1234> but then neither is unity
[01:59] <yothsoggoth> ali1234: Yeah, I remember it being in the main dash, I'd just assumed it had been taken out altogether when I didn't see it there. Admittedly I didn't use Unity for long though, I found it a little annoying with dual monitors
[01:59] <ali1234> heh
[02:00] <ali1234> multimonitor support got better
[02:00] <ali1234> but i still had to quit it due to the other bugs
[02:00] <mirkoslavko> well i dont like unity for left bar and top bar
[02:00] <mirkoslavko> i feel like caged a bit
[02:00] <mirkoslavko> i like linuxmint
[02:00] <mirkoslavko> looks
[02:01] <mirkoslavko> it feels more open
[02:01] <ali1234> you can get the old gnome-panel back quite easily you know
[02:01] <yothsoggoth> I used it in 11.04 and 11.10, but in 12.04 I can't stand the Sticky Edges thing, so I switched to Cinnamon the day after upgrading to 12.04
[02:03] <ali1234> cinnamon on multimonitor? u mad?
[02:03] <mirkoslavko> i like lubuntu also
[02:04] <mirkoslavko> but i am affraid of limited options
[02:04] <mirkoslavko> or maybe less drivers
[02:04] <ali1234> seriously, go with gnome-panel on gnome 3
[02:04] <mirkoslavko> i have to decide about one distribution of linux for all our office computers
[02:04] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/YVjUdnCziej
[02:04] <stgraber> apt-get install gnome-session-fallback on a clean Ubuntu 12.04 sounds much easier and it's supported (by Edubuntu) for 5 years
[02:04] <yothsoggoth> ali1234: It was the first thing I was suggested trying to replace Unity. It is pretty unreliable though, it completely freezes every couple of hours leaving me to entirely restart X
[02:05] <ali1234> yothsoggoth: that's caused by compiz
[02:05] <ali1234> you can either switch to metacity and enable compositing, or install an old version of compiz
[02:05] <ali1234> either works fine
[02:05] <yothsoggoth> ah, I'll give that a try tomorrow
[02:21] <yothsoggoth> How are people finding the HUD? Is it getting a good reception?
[02:24] <ali1234> depends who you ask
[02:24] <ali1234> if you ask me you get a big fat NO
[02:27] <yothsoggoth> yeah, I can't say I liked it much myself
[02:28] <yothsoggoth> Usually when there's something I want to use in a toolbar, I don't know what it's called anyway so it slows my down trying to figure out the name for the feature to find it with the HUD
[02:55] <yothsoggoth> Well, time for me to get some sleep
[02:55] <yothsoggoth> good night all
[09:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:23] <popey> hello brobostigon
[09:23] <brobostigon> hello popey
[09:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:26] <brobostigon> hello czajkowski
[10:38] <popey> hmm, i am getting the wrong battery icon like czajkowski had
[10:42] <Nafallo> so do I
[10:42] <Nafallo> it's popey's fault...
[10:42] <czajkowski> popey: oh I had a day of it changing see my twitter pics
[10:43] <czajkowski> every 2 mins it changed
[10:43] <czajkowski> ad only behaved when I plugged it in
[10:43]  * popey reboots
[10:47] <popey> hmmm
[10:47] <popey> czajkowski: file a bug?
[10:48] <popey> found it, bug 1001229
[11:19] <dwatkins> I finally upgraded to 11.04, perhaps I'll even go to 12.04 soon.
[11:20] <Flashtek> lol
[11:20] <Flashtek> i remember when i was initially running Gentoo.. by the time I upgraded everything there was another 500mb of updates to download and install
[12:13] <stilia-johny> hi guys!
[12:14] <stilia-johny> I am from greece and the last 7 months i am living in uk (london) is ther any Ubuntu comunity?
[12:15] <popey> hello stilia-johny
[12:15] <stilia-johny> hi
[12:15] <popey> we have a community in the uk, yes ☺
[12:16] <stilia-johny> and how can i be a member? if is available?
[12:16] <popey> we dont have a formal membership process
[12:16] <popey> we have a mailing list (link in the /topic) and this irc channel
[12:16] <popey> we have a launchpda group
[12:16] <stilia-johny> there is no forum?
[12:16] <popey> there is, but nobody uses it
[12:17] <stilia-johny> pf..
[12:17] <stilia-johny> and i thought tht the forum works better!
[12:17] <popey> you are entitled to that opinion ☺
[12:17] <popey> many disagree ☺
[12:18] <stilia-johny> ok lets make a question now! i want to move my boot folder and my grub2 in a partition!
[12:18] <Laney> slow launchpad is slow
[12:19] <popey> stilia-johny: as its sunday, its not very busy here, probably better asking support questions in #ubuntu or on http://askubuntu.com/ for a quicker response
[12:19] <stilia-johny> i have windows ubuntu and backtrack in my pc.. and i want to make a small partition to put my boot folder and my grub2 and some ISO's
[12:20] <popey> I'd probably use gparted on a live cd for that
[12:20] <popey> then copy the data over and then edit my fstab
[12:38] <BigRedS> I think it'd be nice to have scheduled fscks happen on shutdown rather than only on boot, especially for a desktop. Is there somewhere I shoudl be looking to see if someone's already proposed this?
[12:38] <BigRedS> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/report-problem suggests ubuntu-devel is the place rather than launchpad
[12:38] <BigRedS> which seems a bit ad-hoc
[12:39] <penguin42> BigRedS: I'm not aware of anything that's suggested it, for those who unplug their machine or if a laptop put it in a bag that would be BAD - but I can see for a desktop to do it and then power off I agree it would be neat
[12:39] <penguin42> hmm breakfast time
[12:40] <dwatkins> I'm looking forward to a late breakfast this evening.
[13:19] <Adriannom> hi.  just installed xubuntu 12.04 and after i suspend the screen is very dark, even at the prompt to log back in.  changing brightness has some effect, but even full brightness is very dark.  any ideas what could be going on?
[13:20] <Adriannom> the mouse pointer is actually the only thing that is at full brightness
[15:55] <mattt> afternoon all
[16:05] <Darael> Having a problem on several machines since they were upgraded to Precise.  The settings for keyboard layouts are ignored, and the layout is permamently set to whatever the default for that account was before the upgrade, but behaves as though all the check-boxes under "options" were unset.
[16:06] <Darael> This means I no longer have access to QWERTY keyboard layouts on my own user account, and my caps-lock is a caps-lock instead of a backspace, and no amount of fiddling with the settings has fixed it.  What can I do?
[17:40] <DJones> Evening
[18:51]  * popey tickles BigRedS 
[18:51] <popey> then changes his mind and tickles bigcalm instead
[18:51]  * DJones pinches popey's feather
[18:52] <KevanV> DJones: duck?
[18:53] <DJones> ostrich
[18:53] <KevanV> I suppose they have a better reach
[19:12] <ali1234> popey: yesterday i found out compiz 0.9 is a from-scratch rewrite
[19:13] <popey> news to me
[19:13] <ali1234> it's not even written in the same language
[19:13] <ali1234> 0.8 is C, 0.9 is C++
[19:14] <ali1234> i thought it might be :)
[19:14] <ali1234> hence why i mention it
[19:14] <popey> ☺
[19:16] <ali1234> it's slightly annoying that you can't install them both side by side because they have the same name
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> is it better though
[19:17] <ali1234> is what better?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> 0.9
[19:17] <ali1234> no
[19:17] <ali1234> it's much much worse
[19:17] <ali1234> it basically only works with unity
[19:18] <ali1234> and even that doesn't really work properly
[19:27] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/138736/which-packages-provide-the-pictured-gnome-panel-applets
[19:28] <ali1234> i know someone out there knows the answer to this
[19:32] <popey> i know bits of it
[19:32] <popey> not all
[19:33] <popey> the stuff in the top right is mostly "indicator-*" packages
[19:33] <ali1234> the "stuff" in the top right is all one applet
[19:33] <ali1234> i think it is indicator-applet-complete
[19:35] <popey> hmm, doesn't look like it to me
[19:35] <popey> hey ho
[19:35] <ali1234> what do you mean?
[19:35] <popey> well, one is the session menu, thats indicator-session
[19:35] <ali1234> no no no
[19:35] <ali1234> there's multiple versions
[19:35] <ali1234> there's slpit up versions and one with "everything"
[19:36] <ali1234> having everything as a single applet fixes the problem with stuff getting shuffled on the panel
[19:38] <ali1234> all the different versions come from indicator-applet source package anyway
[19:43] <TheLinuxUser> hi
[20:06] <ali1234> ooo, human theme is still n the repos
[20:08] <ali1234> wow, human theme for windows + ambiance for gtk works really well
[20:29] <czajkowski> evening
[20:51]  * Laney wibbles
[23:55]  * hamitron wonders why a window seems to move slightly down and to the right, when left clicking to make it active