[02:02] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: I was considering using thumbnails in the --thumbnails mode and/or having a tooltip with a small thumbnail and additional data
[03:05] <micahg> mr_pouit: it builds at least :)
[03:40] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: latest catfish commit now has the 'find' search infobar pop up after doing a locate search.  Check it out.  =D
[06:05] <knome> hey.
[06:09] <Unit193> Jello.
[15:45] <ochosi> hi everyone
[15:45] <ochosi> currently on a train :)
[15:46] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: nice stuff!
[15:46] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: the infobar is quite huge though, maybe we should think of something more subtle (maybe in the statusbar?)
[16:49] <pleia2> astraljava: about? just getting some notes together for our QA discussion
[16:56] <pleia2> knome: oops, we link /TestinInfo on our website, but it was deleted
[17:01] <pleia2> astraljava: just give me a ping when you're around :) I should be here for at least the next hour or so
[17:06] <astraljava> pleia2: Hiya, just came home from rollerskating. :)
[17:07] <pleia2> :D
[17:07] <astraljava> Sadly I haven't looked into the material so far, but I'm sure we can just start the process initially, and set goals for the following meetings.
[17:09] <pleia2> yeah, what I have to talk about is mostly just some links and stuff I learned at UDS
[17:09] <pleia2> we can discuss further after you research at the proper meeting :)
[17:10] <astraljava> Right, sounds good to me.
[17:11] <pleia2> ok, so the first one I attended was about how (and if?) there needs to be improved communication between the QA/Testing teams
[17:11] <pleia2> there are lots of them: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/03/whos-who-on-quality-in-ubuntu.html
[17:12] <astraljava> Okay, that's handy.
[17:12] <pleia2> it was pretty much decided that the teams operate themselves so no need for consolidation of volunteers was needed (lubuntu folks are happy to work with lubuntu testers, etc)
[17:13] <astraljava> Fair enough, but we do have that one QA/testers weekly meeting, already.
[17:14] <pleia2> yeah, they were wondering if they needed something beyond that to consolidate further
[17:14] <astraljava> Oh okay.
[17:14] <pleia2> so they might do another meeting twice a cycle or so to check in with some of the QA/Testing leads to see if they need help or anything
[17:15] <pleia2> I also asked a bit about the http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ wiki
[17:15] <pleia2> we should move our testcases wiki pages there soon:
[17:15] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Short
[17:15] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Long
[17:15] <pleia2> and if we want to write our own Install pages to be linked from the QA tracker, that's cool too (instead of relying upon generic Ubuntu ones)
[17:16] <astraljava> I guess we should, we will have varying ubiquity tasks at least.
[17:17] <pleia2> yeah, I don't see it as a huge deal since we seem to manage ;) but it might be nice
[17:17] <pleia2> the little post install tasks are all ubuntu-specific too, but they can all be done in xubuntu without much trouble at all
[17:17] <pleia2> just things to think about
[17:18] <pleia2> the last thing I learned was about Checkbox
[17:18] <pleia2> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/CheckboxTestCases
[17:18] <pleia2> automated testing for applications, we could write some :)
[17:18] <astraljava> Yeah, I was intrigued about this one.
[17:19] <pleia2> I poked around the wikis some, this seems to be the most comprehensive page about it and links to other resources
[17:19] <pleia2> shows how to write them, submit them, etc
[17:19] <astraljava> I've been writing some test automation in python at work before, so I'll have some interesting times ahead to see how it fares with the existing ones.
[17:19] <pleia2> cool
[17:20] <pleia2> that's pretty much it
[17:21] <astraljava> Okay, thanks for sharing! I've been very psyched about getting this progressing during the quantal cycle, but unfortunately real life stepped in the way for the beginning. Hopefully it'll now calm down a bit.
[17:21] <astraljava> Would you be interested in setting some semi-regular work meetings for this?
[17:22] <astraljava> I'm not sure how often we'll have other meetings, so it might help in coordinating the thing.
[17:22] <pleia2> sure
[17:22] <astraljava> Once every three weeks or so?
[17:23] <pleia2> sounds good :)
[17:23] <astraljava> Do we have a Xubuntu calendar somewhere?
[17:23] <pleia2> yeah, sec
[17:24] <pleia2> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=383qgn907l43kd425bteqjg850%40group.calendar.google.com
[17:25] <pleia2> ical: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/383qgn907l43kd425bteqjg850%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
[17:26] <pleia2> nothing on it yet since we haven't decided next meeting yet ;)
[17:28] <astraljava> Shall we schedule the next one three weeks from now?
[17:29] <astraljava> Oh wait, I'm going to a gig that night. You're UTC-7, right?
[17:30] <pleia2> yeah
[17:31] <astraljava> Is 17th good for you?
[17:31] <pleia2> probably
[17:32] <pleia2> I'll let you know if something comes up :)
[17:32] <pleia2> 16:00 UTC is probably better than 17:00 though
[17:36] <astraljava> Isn't that quite early for you?
[17:37] <astraljava> Oh, no.
[17:37] <astraljava> Sorry.
[17:37] <pleia2> 9AM
[17:37] <astraljava> A little preoccupied, watching the ice hockey finals at the same time. :D
[17:37] <pleia2> I usually don't have plans on weekends until 11 or later, so 9 or 10AM seems to work ok
[17:38] <astraljava> So, 17th of June, 1600 UTC. Let's see if I can create the event.
[17:39] <pleia2> I can add it
[17:40] <astraljava> Ok, thanks. I don't have authority to do it, seems like.
[17:40] <pleia2> done \o/
[17:44] <astraljava> Cool, thanks!
[17:45] <astraljava> I'll post to the -devel list about this a little closer to the event.
[17:45] <pleia2> great, thanks
[17:46] <GridCube> lol only me and madnick answered the doodle
[17:46] <GridCube> no one else did
[17:46] <GridCube> thats nice
[17:46] <GridCube> not even knome 
[17:46] <astraljava> What doodle?
[17:46] <GridCube> the one knome sent to the mailing list http://www.doodle.com/6gifbcka8fzvrzz9
[17:47] <GridCube> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-May/008218.html
[17:49] <pleia2> I have a flexible schedule and am not traveling any of those days, wherever it lands is fine
[17:50] <GridCube> mark all the times and hours then
[17:50] <pleia2> not really worth my time
[17:52] <Unit193> I'm open all days, except for ones I'm not.
[17:56] <astraljava> Does my entries show up now?
[17:56] <astraljava> Do*
[17:57] <astraljava> Ahh, it wants for each day of the week, not only Sunday the third.
[17:59] <astraljava> WTF? It won't let me save.
[18:00] <astraljava> I have to create an account for that?!
[18:31] <astraljava> Well apparently OpenID should work, but still it won't let me save.
[18:31] <astraljava> So, tough luck.
[19:51] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: catfish -- filtering works for mimetypes and dates now.  Also, I have enabled live filtering, so when you have results, you can add or remove filters and it will be applied immediately.  :D
[20:45] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: cool :) we should definitely tell kalikiana about this
[20:46] <bluesabre_laptop> true, I'll post a message to him on xfce-dev
[20:46] <ochosi> wow, works great
[20:47] <ochosi> i'm fairly impressed :)
[20:47] <bluesabre_laptop> good to hear
[20:47] <ochosi> one more thing i thought about today:
[20:47] <ochosi> when the zeitgeist-suggestion is a single filename, it's kinda stupid to then search for it
[20:48] <ochosi> cause usually you'd get a single file as result-set
[20:48] <bluesabre_laptop> yeah, didn't really know how else to use the suggestions though
[20:48] <ochosi> and that takes longer than the original suggestion
[20:48] <ochosi> so i was wondering whether we should try to make users execute the "exo open" command on them
[20:49] <ochosi> i mean: add a second row to the suggestion-box with an icon
[20:49] <ochosi> it's either a searchglass or the stock_open icon
[20:49] <ochosi> if it's a filename with ending, use the stock_open icon and clicking it executes exo-open on the file
[20:50] <ochosi> in fact in the other case maybe no icon is better than the searchglass
[20:53] <bluesabre_laptop> That's a good point.  But as long as we don't have a button for search, isn't it better to keep the searchglass?
[20:55] <ochosi> no, i meant really add those icons to the popup-list
[20:55] <knome> anybody interested in moderating the xubuntu mailing lists?
[20:56] <Unit193> I'm not on the users one, but I'm at leaset subscribed to -devel. :P
[20:56] <knome> + ochosi, we should probably think about the team structure, now that i think about it; does it make sense somebody is in the artwork team if he's not in the xubuntu team?
[20:56] <knome> Unit193, then you don't seem like a good candidate :P
[20:56] <Unit193> Riiiight.
[20:56] <knome> Unit193, i mean, messages to -devel is fine, there aren't so many of those to moderate
[20:56] <ochosi> knome: haven't given the team structure much thought tbh
[20:57] <ochosi> knome: but it's a good point. we'll have to talk about this sometime soon (have a presentation tomorrow and am already pretty tired)
[20:57] <knome> mmh, i'm tired too
[20:57] <knome> and i should do a few things before going to sleep..
[20:58] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: one more thing i just noticed: i think it's better to drop the horizontal padding on the sides of the treeview, but add it for the statusbar
[21:00] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: the other thing i noticed (but if you're aware of it, forget it) is that the menu-button should be a toggle-button instead of a normal button (i.e. stay pressed down as long as the menu is open)
[21:01] <ochosi> knome: i updated the terminal-colors-spec and linked to a github repo from where you can test the color-scheme i linked you to recently
[21:02] <knome> could you actually just send an email so i don't forget?
[21:02] <knome> x-devel is fine too, and you might get more feedback
[21:02] <bluesabre_laptop> ochosi: not a fan of the padding?  On the menu button, I knew about it, just being lazy to fix it.  I'll have that on the next commit
[21:03] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: i'm a fan of the padding everywhere but the treeview i think (now that i use it, i know i had it in my first mockup...)
[21:04] <ochosi> i think what looks oddest is the infobar with padding
[21:05] <bluesabre_laptop> I agree with that
[21:05] <bluesabre_laptop> I might toy around with it a bit
[21:05] <ochosi> sure sure, anyhoo, never take my comments as much more than suggestions
[21:06] <ochosi> after all, you're doing the heavy lifting
[21:06] <bluesabre_laptop> doesn't hurt to have an extra opinion though
[21:07] <ochosi> yup
[21:07] <ochosi> not sure whether you already had plans for the custom-button in the time-section, but you could hook that to a gtkcalendar
[21:10] <bluesabre_laptop> I thought there was a calendar widget!  Thanks for the tip.  Didn't see one in glade so I was making a minimal thing
[21:10] <ochosi> :)
[21:10] <ochosi> for the documents i guess the easiest thing is let people add file-endings for now
[21:11] <bluesabre_laptop> I was considering using the mimetypes class and having a combobox with known mimes or let the user enter file extensions
[21:12] <bluesabre_laptop> ()
[21:12] <bluesabre_laptop> woops
[21:12] <ochosi> another point for later is the search-syntax ("$string $string" == match $string & $string instead of match "$string $string")
[21:12] <ochosi> (or allowing regexp or what do i know)
[21:13] <bluesabre_laptop> that might be an easy fix
[21:14] <ochosi> yeah, i just don't wanna distract you with 1000 things at the same time
[21:14] <ochosi> knome: ok, mail sent
[21:16] <ochosi> darn, i'm really tired and as i mentioned before i have a presentation tomorrow...
[21:16] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: sorry, gotta hit the sack now, i'll probably not be around tomorrow much (meetings all day) but will be around more again on tuesday the latest
[21:17] <bluesabre_laptop> k, seeya
[21:17] <bluesabre_laptop> look forward to some big updates for catfish
[21:18] <ochosi> i do already :)
[21:18] <ochosi> (i might just quickly pull and test in a break tomorrow ;) )
[21:19] <ochosi> night everyone!
[21:19] <knome> ochosi, thanks ;)
[21:20] <knome> night!