MrChrisDruifThanks ^_^00:04
=== jbicha is now known as Guest1332
pittiGood morning05:43
=== vuntz|afk is now known as vuntz
* micahg wonders if this patch is still necessary: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/gimp/quantal/view/head:/debian/patches/03_gimp.desktop.in.in.patch06:06
pittimicahg: we don't install it by default any more; if it's our only remaining patch, I'd say dump it06:09
micahgpitti: no06:10
micahgpitti: not the only one, doesn't seem to need any work, but will keep in mind if we get the diff down further06:10
didrocksgood morning06:13
pittibonjour didrocks06:13
didrocksguten morgen pitti. How are you?06:13
pittididrocks: I'm quite fine, thanks! had a rather relaxing weekend06:14
pittihow about you?06:14
didrocksgood :) nice week-end as well here. Not a lot of outside activity due to the weather, so more video games :)06:15
pittididrocks: I saw your plus post06:16
pittiwe had gorgeous sunny weather here, long walks, ice cream, and gardening06:16
didrockswaow, I hope I'll have the same by the end of week: the family is visiting :)06:17
rickspencer3pitti, is there a wiki  page that describes the 12.04.1 team duties?06:33
rickspencer3also, good morning ;)06:33
pittihey rickspencer306:33
pittirickspencer3: I don't know, I'm afraid; I haven't been involved in those discussions this time06:34
* rickspencer3 sends "wake up" vibes to seb12806:34
rickspencer3hmmm, not working06:34
didrocksgood morning rickspencer3 :)06:38
rickspencer3hi didrocks06:39
smspillazdidrocks: are we good to switch over lp:compiz?06:44
didrockssmspillaz: yeah, still on email catchup and finishing the (too early) morning pings, then on that with you, ok?06:45
RAOFGood $TIMEOFDAY, all !06:45
pittihey RAOF06:46
pittirickspencer3: btw, did you notice that http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html only has one package which is even NBS? i. e. we are basically at zero probs :)06:46
rickspencer3pitti, I just saw that the list had only 1 thing06:46
pittihey Laney, how are you?08:00
Laneygreat thank you: nice relaxing weekend which included going climbing :-)08:00
Laneywhat about you?08:00
pittioh, nice!08:00
pittiwe mostly enjoyed the summer weather: long walks, some gardening, lots of ice cream :)08:01
pittiand I finished reading The Hunger Games08:01
Laneyah, some of my friends have read that one too08:02
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:04
chrisccoulsonsigh @ https://launchpadlibrarian.net/105649631/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.firefox_13.0~b4%2Bbuild1-0ubuntu2%2Btest4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :(08:12
chrisccoulsontimed out whilst linking08:12
didrockshey Laney, chrisccoulson!08:16
pittibonjour seb128, ca va?08:24
pittihey chrisccoulson08:24
seb128hey pitti, ca va bien ! how about you ? had a good w.e ?08:24
seb128how did your sister moving go ?08:25
pittiseb128: indeed I had; we enjoyed the summer weather, with long walks, gardening, and ice cream08:25
pittiseb128: and I finished reading "The Hunger Games"08:25
pittiseb128: moving> yes, that went alright, that was on Thursday08:25
pittiI returned at 0:30, was a bit tired on Friday :)08:26
seb128pitti, how was the book? ready to see the movie next? ;-)08:26
pittiseb128: I actually missed the movie08:26
pittiseb128: I enjoyed it, but it's fairly predictable08:26
pittiit's a book for young folks, after all08:27
pittiand it's not in the same league as Harry Potter08:27
pittiserver reboot, brb08:27
pittiseb128: btw, can you please subscribe to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release if you aren't already?08:31
didrockssalut seb128!08:31
pittiseb128: mostly for the weekly desktop team status messages, and Kate announcing freezes and milestone coordinatino08:31
seb128pitti, I'm not, doing that, thanks for pointing it08:31
seb128didrocks, lut, bon w.e?08:31
didrocksseb128: bien bien, et toi? ;)08:31
seb128didrocks, nickel08:31
seb128though we didn't have summer weather like pitti here08:31
seb128rather rain, sun alternances08:32
didrockssame here08:32
didrocksconsequently, staying rather inside08:32
pittiseb128: I bounced you two recent mails from -release@ FYI08:32
seb128pitti, danke08:32
didrocksplayed heavy rain to ensure to be in a positive mood ;)08:32
* didrocks takes his scalpel to totally redo the compiz packaging as we are getting just *ONE* source instead of height \o/08:34
pittididrocks: "height"?08:34
pittioh, "eight"?08:34
didrockseight* yeah ;)08:35
didrockspitti: trying to compensate all the *h* we miss with our french accent :)08:35
chrisccoulsonhi pitti didrocks Laney seb128!08:41
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?08:41
pittibonjour chrisccoulson08:41
seb128hey Laney08:41
chrisccoulsonhi seb128, i'm good thanks. although, still trying to get firefox to build in quantal ;)08:42
chrisccoulsonhow are you?08:42
seb128I'm good thanks08:42
BigWhaleWhere Empathy stores account data? huh09:00
BigWhaleit is not in .config/Empathy09:01
chrisccoulsoncould somebody please bump the score on https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/ppa/+build/3506207 ? :-)09:02
rickspencer3seb128, hey, is there a wiki for the 12.04.1 team? like with goals and process,for example?09:02
seb128rickspencer3, hey, not that I know about, we have a spec though: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-12.04.1-team09:04
seb128rickspencer3, skaet has a work item "update LTS point release process pages with flow decided above:" there09:05
seb128rickspencer3, so I guess we will have it covered on the wiki once she does that09:05
rickspencer3thanks seb12809:05
=== mlankhor1t is now known as mlankhorst
seb128pitti, sorry to bother you about SRUs but Ken uploaded an updated gtk which fixes the regression from the previous version, could you review it today?10:05
pittiseb128: done10:07
seb128pitti, thanks10:07
=== tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter
tkamppeterDo we have some libusb expert around here?10:15
seb128tkamppeter, not really10:35
seb128tkamppeter, why?10:35
tkamppeterseb128, In CUPS I use a libusb-based backend to communicate with USB printers. Whwn a USB printer is plugged the usblp kernel module is loaded and to still be able to access the backend detaches the module from the printer, communicates with the printer and re-attaches the module. Many uses complain about USB printing problems in 12.04, in 11.10 I have simply blacklisted the module, but there are proprietary drivers which need the module, so I st10:50
tkamppeteropped blacklisting in 12.04.10:50
tkamppeterseb128, now I want to find out what is going wrong.10:53
seb128tkamppeter, ok, not sure somebody here is better placed than you to debug...10:58
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch
=== ivanka1 is now known as ivanka
jbichagood morning11:54
seb128hey jbicha, how are you?11:56
didrockshey jbicha12:01
jbichahi, I merged Evolution 3.4, but after logging out and back in, gnome-settings-daemon crashes12:03
jbichaSettings schema 'org.gnome.evolution.window:/org/gnome/evolution/mail/shell/window' is not installed12:03
jbichaI guess something isn't working with http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/tree/data/evolution.convert ?12:03
seb128can you run gnome-settings-daemon --debug on a command line and put the log online?12:04
seb128oh, fun12:06
seb128yeah, seems like the .convert is buggy12:07
seb128we should disable the gconf converter in gsd though in q12:07
jbichalooking in dconf-editor, there is org.gnome.mail.shell windowmaximized, windowx, and windowy12:09
seb128jbicha, well the ":/org/gnome/evolution/mail/shell/window" seems buggy in the .convert12:10
chrisccoulsondoes memcheck need to override malloc() and free() ?12:10
seb128the [] sections should be gsettings schemas12:10
seb128not gsettings:gconf12:10
seb128jbicha, seems like a copy error12:10
=== MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow
pittiudisks2_1.97.0-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into experimental12:19
pittiseb128: ^ FYI12:19
pittiseb128: so we can sync tomorrow morning, or possibly tonight12:19
seb128pitti, danke!12:19
seb128jbicha, I think we can try dropping the "use plain tetris theme" in q12:30
seb128it used to make a difference when we did it but rendering performances improved since and hardware as well12:31
jbichaplaying at level 20 is still impossible, but I guess people that know better shouldn't do that :)12:32
Sweetsharkhttp://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/ <- ubuntu one, watch out!12:53
mlankhorstThat  'storage per terabyte' :D12:54
seb128pitti, SRU question, if a bug listed in the changelog is only partially fixed (i.e still better than before so it should not block the SRU), would that be a verification-done with reopening of the bug after the copy or a verification-failed?13:01
seb128pitti, i.e what's the best way to convey the "the fix is incomplete byt don't block the SRU on it"13:01
seb128tkamppeter, hey, should https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-google-cloud-print-integration be targetted for this cycle? is that something you plan to work? or do we wait on it to happen upstream and then look at integrating it?13:02
pittiseb128: I think v-failed would be better, as a reminder to reopen the bug13:09
pittiseb128: which package is it?13:09
tkamppeterseb128, it was last cycle thought out to do the server part (sharing local printers to the cloud) by trelatively small changes in gnome-session-daemon and the online account settings panel, but the appropriate people did not find the time. And then shortly before UDS, I bumped all not done Precise Blueprints to Quantal.13:12
seb128pitti, ubuntu-docs for one13:13
seb128pitti, but I'm having a similar issue with shotwell as well I think13:14
seb128tkamppeter, ok, well we don't use gnome-online-account and I don't think we want to add extra code to gnome-settings-daemon so that needs a bit of rethinking ... do you plan to work on that this cycle (in which case we should update the spec) or should we drop it from the q list?13:15
seb128kenvandine, mterry: hey guys, how are you? had a good w.e?13:35
mterryseb128, hello!13:35
mterryseb128, yeah, it was fine, yours?13:35
kenvandineyup, and you?13:36
seb128mterry, it was good, though the weather is not that great, we get blue sky, grey rainy alternances13:36
seb128kenvandine, thanks for the GTK SRU fix!13:36
kenvandineseb128, longer term we need to get ubuntu-mono fixed13:40
seb128kenvandine, yeah, see my comment on the bug where I disagree with you uploading the revert to q ;-)13:40
ogra_double it up ! make it stereo !13:40
kenvandineseb128, i agree... but i didn't even know who to bug about fixing ubuntu-mono13:44
kenvandineand charles is going to look at the indicator13:44
kenvandinei made sure all the bugs were filed though13:44
seb128kenvandine, thanks13:44
kenvandinewho should we assign the ubuntu-mono task too?13:44
seb128kenvandine, try Cimi? ;-)13:45
larsukenvandine, my best guess would be Cimi (he should at least know who to assign it to)13:46
larsuargh, seb128 was faster!13:46
tkamppeterseb128, perhaps we should introduce the Cloud Print idea next UDS and discuss how we actually implement it.13:46
kenvandinei didn't think he did the icon theme13:46
kenvandineguess i was wrong :)13:46
seb128tkamppeter, seems like a plan13:46
seb128kenvandine, well, as larsu said, if he doesn't he's probably the best placed to know who does ;-)13:46
seb128i.e one step closer from having it assigned correctly ;-)13:47
seb128kenvandine, btw, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-gwibber seems like it's mostly drafter, if that's the case can you set the definition to "review"?13:48
Laneyjbicha: can you push a finalise/tag to gnome-games?13:48
LaneyI fixed your FTBFS :P13:48
seb128kenvandine, though now with the new "standards" you might want to add a goal description etc to it13:48
kenvandineok, i'll do that13:49
seb128kenvandine, thanks13:49
jbichaLaney: done, thanks!13:51
tkamppeterseb128, perhaps I open a new Blueprint when the time is up.13:54
seb128tkamppeter, we can update that one and clear the whiteboard a bit for next UDS but don't worry about it for now, we have time13:55
tkamppeterseb128, yes, for Q I will do no real new features, only optimizing, improving, and debugging the workflow.13:57
seb128tkamppeter, ok, thanks13:57
tkamppeterseb128, so do not worrky about printing desktop-wise, if something needs done, I will report or forward a bug.13:58
jbichaLaney: you can drop the quadrapassel.gsettings-override while you're at it if you like13:59
Laneyokey doke14:00
Laneyjbicha: ok, lp:~laney/gnome-games/fix-ftbfs is waiting for you :-)14:14
Laneywe should swap gnome-games out for sgt-puzzles though: much more fun :P14:19
Laney(or nethack)14:19
jbichaLaney: oh, you work for Canonical now?14:21
seb128Laney, is sgt-puzzles good? I never tried those14:22
Laneyjbicha: yep14:22
seb128seems like a lot of .desktop installed ;-)14:22
Laneyseb128: in a very addictive way, yes14:22
LaneyI've been playing 'pearl' a fair bit lately14:22
seb128we should maybe look at adding them to the CD14:22
seb128though I don't like the .desktop flood coming with it, I would prefer a small selected set of good games I think14:23
Laneyit does contain a lot of games, indeed14:23
mvodidrocks: hey, did you had a chance to look at #855166 yet?14:24
didrocksbug #85516614:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 855166 in oneconf "software-center crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.370 was not provided by any .service files" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85516614:25
didrocksmvo: it's the same issue than usual: either the service side crashed (so need a service stacktrace) either the service didn't respond in time14:26
didrocksmvo: not sure if I shouldn't just do the call async14:26
didrocksmvo: do you get it reliably?14:27
didrocksmvo: btw, , I've been assigned 4 minutes (now 5) ago :)14:29
didrocksmvo: I have 0 new trace of service crashing on the backend side (for the first ones, it could have happen more), but not sure for the 2 bugs opened since precise is released)14:33
seb128didrocks, guessing, he came from an errors.ubuntu.com angle there14:35
seb128didrocks, is there anything you could do to improve those bugs? like having the service write in a log and have apport add the log to the bugs?14:36
didrocksseb128: hum, not sure how fan you are about a service writing to logs for anything, can be quite verbose14:37
didrocksI see one service crash14:37
didrocksbut no bug attached14:37
didrocksand I don't have granted access14:38
seb128  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/oneconf/distributor/__init__.py", line 56, in _get_distro14:39
seb128    module =  __import__(distro_id, globals(), locals(), [], -1)14:39
seb128ImportError: No module named LinuxMint14:39
didrocksok, LinuxMint users then :)14:39
seb128seems so14:39
seb128yeah, they are all the same14:39
didrocksI need to protect against this so14:39
didrocksseb128: do you know why I can't access those stacktraces btw?14:39
seb128oh, some are "elementary"14:39
seb128didrocks, you can't?14:40
didrocksI'm clicking on the service name14:40
seb128didrocks, https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/share/oneconf/oneconf-query:ImportError:%3Cmodule%3E:async_update:__call__:__call__:call_blocking:_message_cb:async_update:get_packageSetHandler:%3Cmodule%3E:%3Cmodule%3E:_get_distro14:40
didrocksand get "Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again."14:40
seb128didrocks, does that url works for you?14:40
didrockshum, it's fine with the url14:41
didrockswhere do you click on?14:41
seb128didrocks, weird14:41
seb128didrocks, on the function column14:41
didrocksdoing that and it's ok now, no more signing in issue :/14:41
seb128like /usr/share/onecon..14:41
seb128didrocks, seems like a sso issue14:41
seb128sometimes I've to retry14:41
didrocksok, I did it 3 times in a row, I guessed it wasn't lying after that :)14:42
didrocksok, thanks seb128, it's easy to fix anyway14:42
seb128didrocks, so yeah, can you catch unknown distros then?14:42
seb128didrocks, thanks14:42
didrocksmvo: not ubuntu users ^14:42
didrocksseb128: well, distros where I have no module for14:42
seb128didrocks, the other one listed is https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/share/oneconf/oneconf-query:DBusException:%3Cmodule%3E:async_update:__call__:__call__:call_blocking14:42
didrocksI have to test what I'll send back though14:42
seb128but that's where we need extra debug infos from the service14:42
didrocksseb128: well, same issue…14:43
seb128didrocks, to reply to your question I don't like log spamming a lot14:43
seb128but maybe we can go through some log spamming until we get the infos we need14:43
didrocksyeah, so not really sure what to do for that14:43
seb128like put it in proposed but not move it to updates14:43
didrockslet's fix the linuxmint and elementary ones14:44
didrocksand see if it's still on the list14:44
didrocksbouh linuxmint not even testing oneconf!14:46
didrocksso consequence, no oneconf for them :p14:46
mvodidrocks: aha, ok, sorry, this was mostly because I look over errors.ubuntu.com and try to clean out our buglist a bit14:49
didrocksmvo: no worry, I'll try to best think of the strategy to fix it and telling the client "sorry sorry, you will get no result" ;)14:50
* mvo hugs didrocks14:53
* didrocks hugs mvo back14:53
* jcastro hugs mvo14:56
jcastroerrors.ubuntu.com is like, mvo-central!14:56
mvojcastro: *cough* or actually *cry*14:58
* mvo hides under a rock14:58
pittiwow, the first 30 or so are all Python15:00
pittizenity is the first non-Python one15:00
pittiyummy UnicodeDecodeError, python3 FTW!15:01
seb128yeah, python for the loose there15:01
seb128though there are several reasons for that, including that some of those are what would be warning in C15:02
seb128i.e often people don't both trying to catch warnings in python since those are not visible in non apport world15:03
seb128the dupping works also better for python, no failed retracing there or no big dumps to send15:04
pittiwarnings shouldn't cause a report, though; do they?15:04
seb128pitti, no, but often we have harmless exception that upstream didn't catch because "why bother, they are not user visible and don't create any breakage on the app from an user perspective"15:06
seb128I got into some discussions with upstreams in the past saying we should consider unhandled exceptions as bugs15:07
seb128or at least not in a systematic way15:07
pittiwell, the top 30 or so there are all Ubuntu-ish programs15:07
seb128pitti, well, a good part of those for example are denied auth prompts15:08
seb128like if you click cancel on an polkit prompt you will get a PermissionDenied exception15:08
seb128which apport will catch15:08
pittiah, that's somewhat relieving15:08
seb128but in practice that dismiss the dialog and there is no real bug15:08
seb128pitti, like https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/bin/software-properties-gtk:DBusException:on_combobox_update_interval_changed:__call__:call_blocking15:11
seb128pitti, it's "run software-properties-gtk, click a checkbox, cancel the dialog" -> bug report15:11
seb128where in fact there was no error15:11
pittigood night everyone!15:58
didrocksgood night pitti!15:59
chrisccoulsonwow, the PPA builders really are struggling to link a PGO build of firefox. i wonder how much RAM they have? :/16:23
chrisccoulsongaaaaaaaaaaaah, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/105734465/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.firefox_13.0~b4%2Bbuild1-0ubuntu2%2Btest5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:56
chrisccoulsonthis is becoming impossible to debug when the PPA builds just time out :(16:56
seb128chrisccoulson, I see that firefox is not any better than webkit ;-)16:57
chrisccoulsonyay, there's a surprise. thunderbird has the same problem: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/105734839/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.thunderbird_13.0~b2%2Bbuild1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz17:01
chrisccoulsonand this isn't built with PGO either17:01
chrisccoulsonso it must be triggered by a compiler change :(17:01
chrisccoulsoni guess there's an easy fix for that17:02
chrisccoulson---> back to gcc 4.617:02
didrocksok, time for exercice and dinner, see you tomorrow everyone!17:13
micahgchrisccoulson: the builds seem to hang17:18
chrisccoulsonmicahg, they're not hanging. they just take too long to link17:18
micahghrm, yeah, sounds like a compiler bug then, as the whole build has been less than 2.5 hrs before17:19
chrisccoulsonit's longer because this is a PGO build. and the long linking time isn't the primary problem that i'm trying to debug17:20
* Laney proposes gnome-menus merge and checks out17:29
Laneynight folks17:29
seb128Laney, 'night17:30
highvoltagenight Laney17:34
micahgseb128: when's a good time to chat about Firefox testing? (i.e. not now)18:57
seb128micahg, does the "i.e..." suggest you prefer another time? ;-)18:58
seb128now works for me but another time is ok as well18:58
micahgseb128: yeah, I have a meeting in 2 minutes :), if you're around afterwards we can chat (hopefully about an hour)19:00
seb128micahg, not sure yet, if I'm around sure otherwise feel free to ping me any other day during european work hours (or later if I'm still online ;-)19:01
=== jalcine is now known as Jacky
maxbIf I run lpinfo -m and get something like this:20:08
maxbfoomatic-db-compressed-ppds:0/ppd/foomatic-ppd/Generic-PostScript_Printer-Postscript.ppd Generic PostScript Printer Foomatic/Postscript (recommended)20:08
maxbfoomatic-db-compressed-ppds:1/ppd/foomatic-ppd/Generic-PostScript_Printer-Postscript.ppd Generic PostScript Printer Foomatic/Postscript (recommended)20:08
maxbWhat is the number 0 or 1 telling me?20:08
=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter
tkamppeterRAOF, hi22:28
RAOFtkamppeter: Hi22:45
JoeJulianWould someone be able to recommend a good page to point a user to (I'm trying to help an ubuntu desktop user in #gluster, but I'm not an ubuntu user) who's installed desktop but needs to uninstall NetworkManager and configure their network using the static upstart scripts?23:56

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!