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| bencer | when does the DMB meeting start? | 15:28 |
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| tumbleweed | bencer: 19:00 UTC https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda | 15:55 |
| bencer | yup, just saw it, thanks tumbleweed, i'll be arround here for my PerPackage application | 16:11 |
| jjohansen | \o | 18:16 |
| tyhicks | Hello! | 18:16 |
| * sbeattie o/ | 18:17 | |
| micahg | at least I don't have to chair this one :) | 18:17 |
| micahg | or do I? | 18:19 |
| * micahg looks around for jdstrand | 18:19 | |
| jjohansen | micahg: thanks for volunteering :) | 18:20 |
| micahg | jjohansen: I'm already doing one, what's two? | 18:20 |
| jjohansen | micahg: just teasing we should wait for jdstrand even if you were running it | 18:20 |
| micahg | I know :) | 18:21 |
| jdstrand | ok, sorry | 18:22 |
| jdstrand | I called the meeting then didn't show up :) | 18:23 |
| jdstrand | that is pretty lame | 18:23 |
| jdstrand | #startmeeting | 18:23 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon May 21 18:23:15 2012 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:23 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 18:23 |
| jdstrand | The meeting agenda can be found at: | 18:23 |
| jdstrand | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 18:23 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report | 18:23 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report | ||
| jdstrand | I'll go first | 18:23 |
| jdstrand | I am on triage this week | 18:23 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur and I will be finishing the work items review this week | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | I will be publishing a libxml2 update today or tomorrow | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | I have several pending updates I am working on | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | and then an embargoed issue | 18:24 |
| jdstrand | I'm hitting small work items here and there, and have started ufw python3 port (over the weekend, but may poke at it some this week) | 18:25 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur is off today. I know he is working on pending updates. he is in the happy place | 18:26 |
| jdstrand | sbeattie: you're up | 18:26 |
| sbeattie | I'm on community this week | 18:26 |
| sbeattie | I've also got a few updates in progress. | 18:26 |
| sbeattie | I'm also planning on apparmor work this week. | 18:27 |
| sbeattie | I think that's it for me. | 18:27 |
| sbeattie | micahg: you're next | 18:27 |
| jdstrand | sbeattie: are those apparmor work items, the SRU or some combination? | 18:28 |
| sbeattie | jdstrand: SRU + work items, yes. | 18:29 |
| micahg | I've got patch piloting today, webkit update for precise this week, apparmor profile fixes for Firefox/Thunderbird (SRU for lucid-precise), will do earlier in the week so as not to block sbeattie, and chromium's build is broke ATM, so I need to dig into that as there's a pending update | 18:29 |
| jdstrand | awesome, thanks :) | 18:29 |
| micahg | I guess that's it for me | 18:30 |
| tyhicks | I'm in the happy place this week | 18:30 |
| tyhicks | It is a short week for me since I'm off Friday | 18:31 |
| tyhicks | I took on a sudo update and a sudo feature backport last week, so I've still got my eCryptfs work that I planned on doing last week | 18:31 |
| tyhicks | I imagine that getting caught up on eCryptfs bug fixes and the kernel merge window will soak up most of my week. I've got a few bug fixes that have patches written, I just haven't had a chance to test and push them upstream. | 18:32 |
| tyhicks | If I do get through all of that early, I've got a pidgin update that is pending in the testing stage. | 18:32 |
| tyhicks | (I see a reoccuring theme here :) | 18:33 |
| tyhicks | That's it for me | 18:33 |
| tyhicks | jjohansen: You're up | 18:33 |
| * jjohansen needs to work with sbeattie on releasing apparmor 2.8 this week, there are a couple of minor patches to finish up/test finish. /me also needs to finish going through work items and sticking time estimates on them. After that its back to resurrecting prototypes, dbus, cgroups, env filtering | 18:33 | |
| jjohansen | I think that is about it jdstrand back to you? | 18:34 |
| jdstrand | jjohansen: how did the quantal kernel fixes go? | 18:34 |
| jjohansen | jdstrand: oh those look good, thanks for the kick I forgot to push them on the weekend | 18:35 |
| * jjohansen will do that first | 18:35 | |
| * jjohansen got side tracked bug hunting | 18:35 | |
| jdstrand | cool | 18:35 |
| * jdstrand wasn't trying to kick, just curious :) | 18:35 | |
| jjohansen | nah, is good | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Highlighted packages | 18:36 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages | ||
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libspring-java.html | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-tornado.html | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/drupal6-mod-views.html | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/dimp1.html | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pyfribidi.html | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. | 18:37 |
| jdstrand | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. | 18:37 |
| jdstrand | did that slightly out of order... | 18:37 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions | 18:37 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions | ||
| jdstrand | There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application. | 18:37 |
| jdstrand | I also had two other things | 18:37 |
| jdstrand | 1. jjohansen has too many work items. once he gives time estimates mdeslaur and I will look at them and then probably discuss as a team how to proceed (eg, Roadmap 'low' ones or reassign some) | 18:38 |
| jdstrand | (mdeslaur will lead that effort) | 18:38 |
| jdstrand | 2. the desktop team approached me about testing mozilla releases before upstream release day | 18:39 |
| jdstrand | (fyi micahg ^) | 18:39 |
| jdstrand | I said that this is the plan and that we have work items in place to achieve this | 18:39 |
| micahg | they do realize this is one day, right? | 18:40 |
| jdstrand | micahg: no, test the images for they tag them | 18:40 |
| jdstrand | like we said, we build them automatically | 18:40 |
| micahg | jdstrand: huh? | 18:40 |
| jdstrand | when it gets close, we test | 18:40 |
| jdstrand | s/for they/before they/ | 18:40 |
| micahg | yes, I mean there is only 1 work day to do this still (builds are tagged on Friday), yes, it's possible | 18:41 |
| jdstrand | eg, the release every 6 weeks | 18:41 |
| jdstrand | at 5 weeks, we can have testable packages | 18:41 |
| micahg | no, we can't | 18:41 |
| jdstrand | why? | 18:41 |
| micahg | they push out fixes in the final week | 18:41 |
| * jdstrand nods | 18:41 | |
| micahg | the beta PPA is for people to test | 18:41 |
| jdstrand | the beta ppa is on 15 or something now, no? | 18:42 |
| micahg | ideally, people are running the beta and reporting issues along the way so my final testing is basically a rubber stamp | 18:42 |
| mdeslaur | test = look at 20 screenshots | 18:42 |
| micahg | if I catch anything in my testing, it's too late anyways | 18:42 |
| micahg | yeah, once we have the automated testing screenshots, I think I'll run that against the beta PPA weekly, that should improve things | 18:43 |
| micahg | s/improve/catch things earlier/ | 18:43 |
| jdstrand | I would still argue that testing twice, once a week before and one day of would still be better than testing a day or two after | 18:43 |
| jdstrand | even if it is not automated yet | 18:43 |
| jdstrand | but anyway | 18:43 |
| micahg | sure, I can QA the beta the week before | 18:43 |
| jdstrand | in this particular instance, that asked if we could test early (ie, twice) to catch anything for the point release | 18:44 |
| jdstrand | micahg: can you coordinate that with the desktop team-- ie the exact timing) | 18:44 |
| micahg | the point release is in 3 months, we'll have 2 more releases before that | 18:44 |
| jdstrand | micahg: you might also mention the beta ppa-- I mentioned it, but they ones I saw were way past '13'-- they were on 15 | 18:45 |
| micahg | 12.04.1 will get FIrefox 14 | 18:45 |
| sbeattie | jdstrand: is there ay possibility of getting QA resources to assist? | 18:45 |
| jdstrand | micahg: yes, I know-- but they asked for this to happen in a couple of weeks. can you coordinate/clarify what they need? | 18:45 |
| * jdstrand is trying not to be the middle-man | 18:46 | |
| micahg | jdstrand: sure, who's the contact for that? | 18:46 |
| jdstrand | seb128 asked me-- I imagine either him or chris | 18:46 |
| micahg | sbeattie: I asked QA a while back to start running QRT, maybe I can get them to review the results more frequently once we have the screenshotting capability | 18:46 |
| jdstrand | sbeattie: well, now that we are on rapid release, we don't have the big call for testing-- everything is just a 'regular' update | 18:47 |
| micahg | jdstrand: I think he meant help with testing :) | 18:47 |
| jdstrand | and all they are asking for is us to do our regular testing by some point | 18:47 |
| sbeattie | jdstrand: what micahg said, not just calls for testing. | 18:47 |
| jdstrand | (see last statement) | 18:47 |
| jdstrand | and since that regular testing is something we should be doing anyway, I said 'ok' | 18:48 |
| jdstrand | anyhoo, this is a little more complicated than it has to be. desktop team needs tests to happen be a certain date. if micahg can ascertain the date and do the testing, that would be great. everything else is executing our work items | 18:49 |
| jdstrand | I think that is it | 18:52 |
| jdstrand | Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 18:52 |
| jdstrand | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon May 21 18:57:23 2012 UTC. | 18:57 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-21-18.23.moin.txt | 18:57 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-21-18.23.html | 18:57 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks! | 18:57 |
| micahg | thanks jdstrand | 18:57 |
| sbeattie | jdstrand: thank you! | 18:57 |
| jjohansen | thanks jdstrand | 18:57 |
| tyhicks | thanks! | 18:57 |
| jdstrand | ah, one more thing: | 19:00 |
| jdstrand | Felix Geyer (debfx) provided a debdiff for pidgin-otr (LP: #1000363) | 19:01 |
| jdstrand | Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :) | 19:01 |
| micahg | !dmb-ping | 19:01 |
| ubottu | bdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping | 19:01 |
| * stgraber waves | 19:02 | |
| tumbleweed | hi | 19:02 |
| bencer | hi all, bencer here for the DMB meeting | 19:02 |
| micahg | we need one more for quorum | 19:02 |
| * bdrung waves | 19:03 | |
| micahg | #startmeeting | 19:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon May 21 19:04:24 2012 UTC. The chair is micahg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:04 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 19:04 |
| micahg | #topic Review of previous action items | 19:04 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review of previous action items | ||
| micahg | I don't seem to recall any that need discussing and the wiki isn't showing any either | 19:05 |
| micahg | anyone have anything to discuss WRT this? | 19:05 |
| * micahg takes that as a no, moving on | 19:06 | |
| stgraber | I think we took care of all past actions during the last meeting, that's unless we count the recuring action for cody-somerville to write that wiki page on testimonials, but this one has been there for more than 6 months now :) | 19:06 |
| * micahg also has a recurring action item that he'll get to next week | 19:06 | |
| micahg | #topic Cesare Falco PPU | 19:06 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Cesare Falco PPU | ||
| micahg | cfalco: are you around? | 19:07 |
| cfalco | hi all! | 19:07 |
| micahg | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c.falco/DeveloperApplication | 19:07 |
| * tumbleweed looks for an IRC log for the previous conversation | 19:07 | |
| micahg | #link http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/23/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t19:35 | 19:08 |
| tumbleweed | ah, thanks | 19:08 |
| micahg | cfalco: so, continuing from last time, if a few files moved from one package to another, let's say mame -> mame-common, what changes would need to made to the packaging to accommodate this | 19:11 |
| micahg | *to be made | 19:11 |
| cfalco | depends | 19:11 |
| bdrung | micahg: your question is a reminder for me for the vlc PPA package. ;) | 19:11 |
| cfalco | @micahg: what's vlc? :o | 19:12 |
| meetingology | cfalco: Error: "micahg:" is not a valid command. | 19:12 |
| micahg | cfalco: vlc is a package that bdrung maintains in Debian | 19:12 |
| cfalco | micahg: what's vlc? :o | 19:12 |
| cfalco | ah ok :) | 19:13 |
| cfalco | mame should depend on mame-common | 19:13 |
| cfalco | and maybe also a breaks or something, or dpkg could have trouble in removing mame before installing mame-common | 19:14 |
| cfalco | but before doing anything I would check the debian policy ;) | 19:14 |
| tumbleweed | let's assume you already had mame and mame-common, and so mame was already depending on mame-common | 19:14 |
| tumbleweed | but you moved a file from mame to mame-common | 19:15 |
| cfalco | I guess replace is only suitable when *all* files get moved | 19:15 |
| cfalco | correct? | 19:15 |
| micahg | replaces isn't what you think it would be | 19:17 |
| micahg | cfalco: do you know where to look up these things? | 19:19 |
| cfalco | micahg: ok, so I assume I should use replace? | 19:19 |
| cfalco | micahg: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html | 19:19 |
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| micahg | well, I'd like you to tell me the changes :) (and that's the right link) | 19:21 |
| cfalco | ok both, replaces: and breaks: :$ | 19:22 |
| cfalco | and we were assuming depends: from the start | 19:22 |
| cfalco | I must admit I thought replaces: is only suitable when *all* files are to be replaced | 19:23 |
| micahg | for which packages and are they versioned? | 19:23 |
| micahg | cfalco: yeah, replaces is slightly counterintuitive from the non-packaging definition | 19:24 |
| cfalco | micahg: the version I'm packaging... i.e I'm packaging mame-common 2.0: -> Replaces: mame (<< 2.00) | 19:25 |
| cfalco | where << is strictly less than iirc | 19:25 |
| micahg | cfalco: cool, thanks | 19:25 |
| bdrung | cfalco: which tools will you use to sync a package from Debian to Ubuntu? | 19:26 |
| cfalco | bdrung: I guess it's syncpackage, but I still have to read all the documentation on this | 19:27 |
| bdrung | cfalco: why not just use dput? | 19:28 |
| cfalco | bdrung: I see it preserves the checksums and I'm not sure dput would do that | 19:30 |
| bdrung | cfalco: dput can preserve the checksums, but it opens a window for errors. that's why using syncpackage is recommended. | 19:31 |
| tumbleweed | cfalco: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? | 19:31 |
| cfalco | not yet | 19:32 |
| tumbleweed | please do, it's where freezes are announced | 19:32 |
| tumbleweed | (amongst other useful things) | 19:32 |
| cfalco | tumbleweed: I'll do it for sure :D | 19:33 |
| barry | cfalco: i see that mame is out of sync b/w ubuntu and debian. what are your plans for sync'ing them and how would you go about doing that? | 19:33 |
| cfalco | barry: mame 0.146 has just been released today, it will mark the first release synced from Debian | 19:34 |
| tumbleweed | \o/ | 19:34 |
| barry | cfalco: cool. do you foresee any reason for ubuntu to carry deltas from debian in the future? | 19:35 |
| cfalco | barry: no, I'm working with the debian maintainers and we will make things suitable for both distros as much as we can | 19:36 |
| barry | cfalco: great, thanks | 19:36 |
| bdrung | cfalco: btpd is only available in Ubuntu. are there plans to get it into Debian? | 19:37 |
| cfalco | bdrung: no at present, but I'd like to. I find it very useful, but it seems nobody else is interested. | 19:38 |
| bdrung | cfalco: how did you come to the conclusion that nobody is interested? | 19:39 |
| cfalco | bdrung: is the utnubu team still active? maybe I could find some help from them. | 19:40 |
| cfalco | bdrung: I have no feedbacks in ubuntu, let alone debian... ;) | 19:40 |
| tumbleweed | cfalco: there are a bunch of ubuntu people who are DDs. I'm working on a list that makes them easy to find | 19:41 |
| cfalco | tumbleweed: cool! is it in the wiki? | 19:41 |
| bdrung | cfalco: dunno if utnubu is still active, but debian mentors is up and running. | 19:41 |
| micahg | DEX has superseded utnubu for the most part AIUI | 19:42 |
| micahg | Ubuntu DEX to be more specific | 19:42 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, you don't need ubuntu-developers to sponsor it, any debian sponsor will do. But obviously ubuntu people have extra motivation to help us get ubuntu packagesinto Debian | 19:42 |
| tumbleweed | the list is here, but doesn't show who the DDs are yet http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/debian-ubuntu-developers/ | 19:43 |
| cfalco | I see micahg is a DEX member, right? :) | 19:44 |
| micahg | yeah, with no Debian uploads | 19:44 |
| * micahg needs to fix that | 19:44 | |
| micahg | cfalco: are you familiar with how to request a freeze exception and when it's appropriate | 19:45 |
| cfalco | micahg: i did it once for btpd, for a minor fix in a configuration file iirc | 19:46 |
| cfalco | it was long ago, I'd need to check the wiki :$ | 19:47 |
| micahg | cfalco: ok, you know where that is? | 19:47 |
| cfalco | micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess | 19:48 |
| micahg | cfalco: great | 19:48 |
| micahg | ok, any more questions? | 19:48 |
| bdrung | yes | 19:48 |
| bdrung | cfalco: what changes with DIF? | 19:48 |
| cfalco | bdrung: after dif packages with differences between ubuntu and debian must be imported explicitly by a developer | 19:50 |
| bdrung | cfalco: are package with differences between ubuntu and debian synced automatically before the DIF? | 19:51 |
| cfalco | bdrung: I guess no, as the version is different | 19:52 |
| cfalco | I mean the 0ubuntuNN suffix | 19:53 |
| bdrung | cfalco: then i have to ask again: what is the different before and after the DIF? | 19:53 |
| bdrung | because packages with 0ubuntuNN needs to be always synced manually | 19:54 |
| bdrung | (or merged) | 19:54 |
| cfalco | bdrung: I guess it's like the "main" freeze | 19:55 |
| cfalco | I mean, before dif you sync the package | 19:56 |
| cfalco | after dif you ask something like a freeze exception | 19:56 |
| bdrung | no: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze | 19:56 |
| bdrung | new versions of packages will be automatically imported from Debian where they have not been customized for Ubuntu | 19:57 |
| bdrung | that's before the DIF and it needs to be done manually afterwards | 19:57 |
| cfalco | bdrung: so no syncpackage is required on a non-customised package before dif? | 19:57 |
| bdrung | you are still allowed to sync packages with new features after DIF | 19:57 |
| bdrung | cfalco: exactly | 19:58 |
| cfalco | bdrung: great | 19:58 |
| micahg | that is unless you have an immediate need in the devel release (bug fix needed immediately, FTBFS, NBS) | 19:58 |
| cfalco | and should a new version be put in debian after dif I'll have to manually sync it in ubuntu, right? | 19:58 |
| tumbleweed | yup | 19:58 |
| micahg | ok, we need to vote | 19:59 |
| cfalco | bdrung, micahg, tumbleweed: thanks! | 19:59 |
| micahg | #voters bdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber | 19:59 |
| meetingology | Current voters: Laney barry bdrung cody-somerville micahg stgraber tumbleweed | 19:59 |
| Laney | posh | 20:00 |
| micahg | #vote Cesare Falco PPU for btpd and mame | 20:00 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Cesare Falco PPU for btpd and mame | 20:00 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 20:00 |
| Laney | +1 | 20:00 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Laney | 20:00 |
| tumbleweed | +1 | 20:00 |
| meetingology | +1 received from tumbleweed | 20:00 |
| barry | +1 | 20:00 |
| meetingology | +1 received from barry | 20:00 |
| bdrung | +1 | 20:00 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdrung | 20:00 |
| micahg | +1 | 20:01 |
| meetingology | +1 received from micahg | 20:01 |
| micahg | stgraber: ? | 20:01 |
| stgraber | +0 [would have liked to see better pre-meeting knowledge of the Ubuntu processes and freezes] | 20:01 |
| meetingology | +0 [would have liked to see better pre-meeting knowledge of the Ubuntu processes and freezes] received from stgraber | 20:01 |
| micahg | #endvote | 20:02 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Cesare Falco PPU for btpd and mame | 20:02 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 20:02 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 20:02 |
| micahg | cfalco: congratulations | 20:02 |
| cfalco | thanks anyone! :) | 20:02 |
| micahg | #action stgraber to give cfalco PPU for btpd and mame | 20:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: stgraber to give cfalco PPU for btpd and mame | 20:02 |
| micahg | #action micahg to add cfalco to ubuntu-dev | 20:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to add cfalco to ubuntu-dev | 20:02 |
| micahg | #topic PPU for Jorge Salamero Sanz | 20:04 |
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| micahg | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JorgeSalamero/PerPackageDeveloperApplication | 20:04 |
| micahg | cfalco: one last thing, just want to encourage you to come to #ubuntu-motu with any questions | 20:04 |
| stgraber | micahg: action done | 20:04 |
| micahg | stgraber: thanks | 20:04 |
| micahg | bencer: can you introduce yourself? | 20:04 |
| bencer | hi all | 20:05 |
| bencer | I'm Jorge Salamero aka bencer | 20:05 |
| cfalco | micahg: sure, thank you! :) | 20:05 |
| bencer | I'm a DD since a few years already, now I'm working on eBox Technologies, the company behind Zentyal (previously eBox Platform) | 20:05 |
| bencer | I'm applying for PerPackage rights to upload zentyal packages to Universe, eventually main if we make it | 20:06 |
| bencer | I've been working on the packages, although is jacalvo, the product manager the one making the releases | 20:06 |
| bencer | and I also have pushed all the needed deps via Debian and then requesting the sync | 20:07 |
| bencer | I was in Oakland on the UDS, holding 4 sessions on Zentyal / Ubuntu integration | 20:07 |
| bencer | and seems that we made a good progress making people aware of Zentyal and for Q we have some blueprints we are going to work together with Edubuntu ppl | 20:08 |
| bencer | I think that's it :) | 20:08 |
| bencer | micahg: any questions? | 20:10 |
| barry | bencer: hi. i noticed that zentyal is only in ubuntu currently. you're a dd - why isn't zentyal in debian? | 20:11 |
| bencer | barry: zentyal uses some ubuntu specific stuff | 20:11 |
| bencer | like upstart, appamor and specially the versions of the packages | 20:12 |
| bencer | i always say that would take 3-4 days work to make it fully working on debian | 20:12 |
| micahg | upstart and apparmor are in Debian (not entirely functional yet, but that's a WIP) | 20:12 |
| bencer | but we dont have the time | 20:12 |
| bencer | i know, its wip | 20:12 |
| micahg | once they are updated and available and working, would you then be interested in pushing this work up? | 20:13 |
| bencer | but probably the biggest issue is that our versions depend on ubuntu versions | 20:13 |
| barry | bencer: but if someone contributed changes to make it possible, would you sponsor it into debian? | 20:13 |
| bencer | sure | 20:13 |
| bencer | we are working a lot on getting more contributors | 20:13 |
| micahg | I'm glad to see the dependencies at least pushed to Debian which lays the ground work for someone to do the last mile bit | 20:14 |
| bencer | due the philosophy of zentyal, most of our community are sysadmins with not developers/integrators | 20:14 |
| bencer | micahg: yes, we always do that, we want to contribute as much as we can to debian/ubuntu | 20:14 |
| bencer | we have sent some patches to asterisk | 20:14 |
| bencer | filled bugs to launchpad on per daily basis (almost) :) | 20:15 |
| bencer | and some contributions to samba4 are on the way | 20:15 |
| tumbleweed | bencer: I seem to recall that the zentyl packages have only had a single upload so far | 20:16 |
| tumbleweed | which required a bit of back and forth for sponsorship | 20:16 |
| tumbleweed | are you confident in yoru ability to maintain them from here? | 20:16 |
| bencer | ok, sorry guys, i had some problems with the charger, im back | 20:18 |
| bencer | tumbleweed: what happened is that in the past, was a volunteer/unofficial upload | 20:18 |
| tumbleweed | what has changed since then? | 20:19 |
| bencer | now one of our project goals is to get the best integration with the ubuntu ecosystem we can get | 20:19 |
| bencer | so we have official resources=time, to invest in ubuntu | 20:19 |
| tumbleweed | right | 20:19 |
| bencer | also this is not a new upload, but a rename of the packages | 20:19 |
| bencer | in the past the packages were ebox-* | 20:19 |
| bencer | now they are zentyal-* | 20:19 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, I seem to recall that Breaks + Replaces was missing in the rename | 20:19 |
| bencer | yeah, that was fixed on time :) | 20:20 |
| micahg | bencer: yes, but you also only had one round of the ebox packages, and that was a year previous | 20:20 |
| tumbleweed | I assume we can expect some more frequent uploads now? | 20:20 |
| bencer | yes, i've not too much to say about the previous packages | 20:20 |
| bencer | tumbleweed: yes, i can show you more than words | 20:20 |
| tumbleweed | bencer: you are subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? | 20:21 |
| bencer | http://git.zentyal.org/zentyal.git/commit/ac1c7717efdd52cb763ec55e8c10b61301a8b053 | 20:21 |
| bencer | this commit fixes one of the reported issues on launchpad | 20:21 |
| bencer | to the packages we uploaded | 20:22 |
| bencer | we are going to discuss if it should go to SRU or not | 20:22 |
| bencer | tumbleweed: sure | 20:22 |
| bencer | also security, -server, -edu and -doc | 20:22 |
| tumbleweed | good | 20:22 |
| bencer | since we have a chapter in the ubuntu-server-guide | 20:23 |
| bdrung | bencer: why are the packages all native packages? | 20:23 |
| bencer | bdrung: this has been a hot point | 20:24 |
| bencer | we consider zentyal as an ubuntu only software | 20:24 |
| bencer | is tied to ubuntu software like i said (upstart, apparmor, etc) | 20:24 |
| bencer | and is tied to specific versions included in ubuntu | 20:24 |
| bencer | our configuration templates are tested with the versions on ubuntu | 20:25 |
| bdrung | other packages are tied to upstart and apport too, but aren't native | 20:25 |
| bencer | not with any squid or dansguardian versions for example | 20:25 |
| bencer | bdrung: imho we can find reasons to push in both directions, native and non-native | 20:25 |
| bencer | according to the policy, we define ourselves as native, and we are native | 20:26 |
| bencer | true that we could be non-native | 20:26 |
| bencer | but current status is as it is | 20:26 |
| bencer | maybe the day someone contributes debian support, we can evaluate going to non-native | 20:26 |
| bdrung | but with more maintenance power it could become non-native with supporting other distros? | 20:26 |
| bencer | but at the moment, we only run on ubuntu, so we are native :) | 20:26 |
| bencer | could be, but the company is not interested in supporting other distros | 20:27 |
| bencer | so that would be community contributions | 20:27 |
| bdrung | you wrote that you dislike when Debian and Ubuntu packaging are different without justification | 20:27 |
| bdrung | do you have examples for it? | 20:27 |
| bencer | in the past asterisk, at the moment i dont know the status | 20:28 |
| bencer | i think they are the same now | 20:28 |
| micahg | no, we still have a diff | 20:28 |
| bencer | if eventuall we want zentyal in debian | 20:28 |
| bencer | having the packages we use, be as similar as possible, would help a lot | 20:29 |
| bencer | but again, i dont see debian support close, maitenance of it wouldnt be easy neither | 20:29 |
| bencer | as the release cycles of both doesnt fit | 20:29 |
| bdrung | bencer: any ideas to reduce the amount of differences? do you work on getting the differences reduced? | 20:29 |
| bencer | bdrung: our first goal was to get the zentyal packages on a good shape in precise | 20:30 |
| bencer | now our goal is going to be to contribute patches to make all the services we depend on, use upstart | 20:30 |
| bencer | also some contributions are in the roadmap, like sssd support on auth-client-config | 20:31 |
| bencer | reducing the differences was a personal thing, more than something scheduled on the roadmap | 20:31 |
| micahg | bencer: are you aware of the various freezes in Ubuntu and how they might affect your ability to upload? | 20:32 |
| bencer | yes | 20:33 |
| bencer | micahg: we already had to deal with that | 20:33 |
| bencer | zentyal packages got uploaded with a feature freeze exception | 20:33 |
| micahg | bencer: ok, what about the milestone freezes, if for example, edubuntu would have an image with zentyal on it | 20:34 |
| bencer | yup, our internal planification is done with the wiki page of release timeline next to us | 20:34 |
| bencer | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule | 20:35 |
| micahg | so, if zentyal were on and Edubuntu image, would you be able to upload a new version on June 6? | 20:36 |
| micahg | s/and/an/ | 20:36 |
| bencer | yup, actually we plan to upload something close to our zentyal 3.0rc | 20:36 |
| bencer | i already discussed this with jacalvo, in charge of the releases | 20:37 |
| bencer | but as this schedule was published a few days ago, still we dont have detailed plan | 20:37 |
| bencer | but we are totally aware of the dates | 20:37 |
| micahg | bencer: I'm not so sure :), June 6 is relevant for uploads on images, do you know why? | 20:38 |
| highvoltage | yeah we talked about it in the edubuntu session, so the actual upload after the freeze would just be a minor bug fix upload | 20:38 |
| bencer | micahg: probably to deal with images sizes?, but i dont know exactly why | 20:39 |
| bencer | having upload privileges will help to be faster uploading packages | 20:40 |
| micahg | bencer: for alphas, the archive is soft frozen, any uploads for sources that affect images needs to be coordinated with teh release team | 20:40 |
| bencer | also rebuilding all the images take time, so a change in on of the packages forces a complete rebuild | 20:40 |
| micahg | right | 20:41 |
| micahg | so, given that, would you still upload a new version on June 6? | 20:41 |
| bencer | only if a critical bug is found that forces us to do so | 20:42 |
| bencer | but will try our best to have everything before ready | 20:42 |
| micahg | bencer: what would you do if you found a bug that needed to be uploaded? | 20:42 |
| bencer | also i cound with the support of more experienced people like highvoltage or jamespage (or last sponsor) | 20:42 |
| bencer | count* | 20:42 |
| bencer | so we will be asking for advice to them when in doubt | 20:43 |
| bencer | well, as this will be because edubuntu, first of all i will discuss about the bug with edubuntu people | 20:43 |
| bencer | and if we dont have any other option that request a new upload | 20:44 |
| bencer | file a bug and explain the release team the situation | 20:44 |
| micahg | bencer: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? | 20:44 |
| bencer | yup | 20:45 |
| bencer | all announces about release dates are sent there | 20:45 |
| micahg | bencer: do you envision more people wanting to apply for upload rights to these packages? | 20:45 |
| bencer | jacalvo in the future too, so i'm not the only one, in case i'm super busy with something else | 20:46 |
| bencer | also i plan to ask for motu once i'm more experienced with the ubuntu workflows, which are different to the debian ones i'm used to and i know well | 20:46 |
| micahg | ok, I'd like to create a packageset with those packages in it then | 20:46 |
| bencer | this way we will be able to work more on depends | 20:47 |
| bencer | but that will be after we start contributing patches to these packages, doesnt make sense to do it now | 20:47 |
| micahg | bencer: do you have a description we can use for that packageset to determine what belongs in it? (is zentyal-* sufficient?) | 20:47 |
| bencer | there is an other one | 20:47 |
| micahg | (we still have to vote on the packageset and your rights as well) | 20:47 |
| bdrung | zbuildtools does not match zentyal-* | 20:48 |
| micahg | bencer: right, I see zbuildtools as well (I mean for future additions that won't require coming back to the DMB to be added) | 20:48 |
| bencer | zbuildtools | 20:48 |
| bencer | +zentyal-* | 20:48 |
| micahg | ok | 20:48 |
| micahg | so, we'll take 2 votes, one on the packageset and one for bencer to upload to it | 20:49 |
| micahg | #vote create a zentyal packageset with zbuildtools, zentyal-ca, zentyal-common, zentyal-core, zentyal-dhcp, zentyal-dns, zentyal-firewall, zentyal-network, zentyal-ntp, zentyal-objects, zentyal-openvpn, zentyal-printers, zentyal-samba, zentyal-services, zentyal-squid, zentyal-users as the initial packages and zentyal-* for the addition criteria | 20:49 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: create a zentyal packageset with zbuildtools, zentyal-ca, zentyal-common, zentyal-core, zentyal-dhcp, zentyal-dns, zentyal-firewall, zentyal-network, zentyal-ntp, zentyal-objects, zentyal-openvpn, zentyal-printers, zentyal-samba, zentyal-services, zentyal-squid, zentyal-users as the initial packages and zentyal-* for the addition criteria | 20:49 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 20:49 |
| barry | +1 | 20:49 |
| bdrung | +1 | 20:49 |
| meetingology | +1 received from barry | 20:49 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdrung | 20:49 |
| micahg | +1 | 20:49 |
| meetingology | +1 received from micahg | 20:49 |
| stgraber | +1 | 20:50 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 20:50 |
| micahg | Laney: ? | 20:50 |
| Laney | +0 // sorry, I've dropped the ball on this one and not been paying attention | 20:50 |
| meetingology | +0 // sorry, I've dropped the ball on this one and not been paying attention received from Laney | 20:50 |
| micahg | we have a +1 from tumbleweed also | 20:50 |
| micahg | #endvote | 20:51 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: create a zentyal packageset with zbuildtools, zentyal-ca, zentyal-common, zentyal-core, zentyal-dhcp, zentyal-dns, zentyal-firewall, zentyal-network, zentyal-ntp, zentyal-objects, zentyal-openvpn, zentyal-printers, zentyal-samba, zentyal-services, zentyal-squid, zentyal-users as the initial packages and zentyal-* for the addition criteria | 20:51 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 20:51 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 20:51 |
| micahg | #action micahg to create LP team related to the new packageset | 20:51 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to create LP team related to the new packageset | 20:51 |
| micahg | #action stgraber to create the packageset and make the new team the uploader of it | 20:51 |
| meetingology | ACTION: stgraber to create the packageset and make the new team the uploader of it | 20:51 |
| micahg | #action micahg to document the packageset | 20:52 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to document the packageset | 20:52 |
| micahg | #vote Jorge Salamero Sanz for upload rights to the zentyal packageset | 20:52 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Jorge Salamero Sanz for upload rights to the zentyal packageset | 20:52 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 20:52 |
| bdrung | +1 | 20:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdrung | 20:52 |
| barry | +1 | 20:53 |
| meetingology | +1 received from barry | 20:53 |
| stgraber | +1 | 20:53 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 20:53 |
| Laney | +0 | 20:54 |
| meetingology | +0 received from Laney | 20:54 |
| bdrung | we have a +1 from tumbleweed also | 20:55 |
| tumbleweed | +1 (I'm back) | 21:00 |
| meetingology | +1 (I'm back) received from tumbleweed | 21:00 |
| micahg | +0 conditionally that bencer reviews the freeze process again with stgraber (I would have liked to have seen more go arounds for a +1, there were only 2 uploads of the set a year apart) | 21:01 |
| meetingology | +0 conditionally that bencer reviews the freeze process again with stgraber (I would have liked to have seen more go arounds for a +1, there were only 2 uploads of the set a year apart) received from micahg | 21:01 |
| micahg | #endvote | 21:01 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Jorge Salamero Sanz for upload rights to the zentyal packageset | 21:01 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 | 21:01 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 21:01 |
| micahg | bencer: congratulations | 21:01 |
| bencer | yay! thanks!! | 21:01 |
| bencer | :) | 21:01 |
| micahg | #action stgraber to review the freeze process with bencer | 21:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: stgraber to review the freeze process with bencer | 21:02 |
| micahg | #action micahg to add bencer to zentyal packageset | 21:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to add bencer to zentyal packageset | 21:02 |
| micahg | #topic AOB | 21:03 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| micahg | next chair? | 21:03 |
| tumbleweed | looks like I am | 21:03 |
| tumbleweed | also, membership monitoring still broken | 21:03 |
| micahg | #action tumbleweed to chair the next meeting | 21:03 |
| tumbleweed | please action me to fix it | 21:03 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tumbleweed to chair the next meeting | 21:03 |
| micahg | #action tumbleweed to fix membership monitoring script | 21:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tumbleweed to fix membership monitoring script | 21:04 |
| micahg | anything else? | 21:04 |
| bdrung | the early meeting time | 21:05 |
| bdrung | ? | 21:05 |
| micahg | ah, right, do we have any results? | 21:05 |
| Laney | cody needs to reply | 21:05 |
| Laney | and BDRUNG! | 21:05 |
| Laney | however the only time left now is thursday 1pm | 21:06 |
| micahg | #action cody-somerville and bdrung to vote in early meeting poll | 21:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: cody-somerville and bdrung to vote in early meeting poll | 21:06 |
| micahg | anything else? | 21:06 |
| bdrung | Laney: i did | 21:07 |
| bdrung | maybe i failed in submitting it. i failed to understand this website | 21:07 |
| Laney | the website doesn't agree | 21:08 |
| micahg | ok, we can take this out of meeting, anything else? | 21:08 |
| micahg | going | 21:09 |
| bdrung | i have no time Thursdays | 21:09 |
| bdrung | (only after 14 utc) | 21:09 |
| bdrung | wrong: only after 15 utc | 21:09 |
| micahg | ok, let's take the meeting time to the list, we can announce it later | 21:11 |
| micahg | #endmeeting | 21:12 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon May 21 21:12:46 2012 UTC. | 21:12 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-21-19.04.moin.txt | 21:12 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-21-19.04.html | 21:12 |
| barry | thanks micahg ! | 21:12 |
| stgraber | thanks! | 21:13 |
| micahg | thanks everyone | 21:13 |
| cfalco | #quit | 21:37 |
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