[02:13] <IdleOne> !away  Karmaon|away
[02:13] <IdleOne> !away > Karmaon|away
[10:07] <LjL> [12:06:29] <Guest20643> well out all the one what desktop is more like android and less like windows or apple like where i can just tick to look and feel like i want it ....i just got a PM telling me to try arch distro
[10:39] <Wizard> Hi.
[10:39] <Tm_T> hi Wizard
[10:39] <Wizard> Hi Tm_T :]
[10:40] <oCean> hi Wizard, I just informed you of this channel for future reference.
[10:40] <oCean> As you can read in this channel's topic, we don't allow idling here
[10:40] <Tm_T> oCean: I think general discussion about maintaining channels should be in -irc instead of here (:
[10:41] <oCean> Tm_T: eh yes, but this is the place for issue resolving in core channels, right?
[10:44] <Tm_T> oCean: yes. but third party shouldn't be involved unless there's really heavy reason to
[10:44] <Tm_T> ...which means third party to -irc and discuss issue in general level
[10:46] <oCean> Tm_T: I'm not sure. Are we not considering opening up -ops so others (ie 3rd party) can see/learn how we (= core channel ops) handle these issues?
[10:47] <Tm_T> oCean: they read logs, they do not join the channel to discuss other's issues
[10:47] <Tm_T> as in, we do not allow audience here
[10:47] <Myrtti> it was discussed in UDS and has been discussed in IRCC meetings, but I don't think formal decision and announcement has been made
[10:47] <oCean> Tm_T: well, that was the discussion we had recently
[10:47] <oCean> ^
[10:47] <AlanBell> o/
[10:48] <Tm_T> ah, until it's done and written somewhere, we go as before if you ask me (:
[10:48] <Tm_T> (I don't understand why we would need any audience here if we have public logs anyway)
[10:48] <AlanBell> we decided to process the queues and see if there was still a desire to change anything after that
[10:48] <Myrtti> Tm_T: +1
[10:49] <AlanBell> various sensible people who pop in here might end up as operators and the problem (to the extent that it is a problem) might go away
[10:49] <Tm_T> only thing having "live" audience here would add distraction and unnecessary interruption
[10:50] <Tm_T> AlanBell: which is why we should discuss things in -irc where those possible operators can involve, in general level
[10:50] <AlanBell> yup
[10:51] <Tm_T> opening up this channel (turning this to -irc, essentially) won't solve anything
[10:51] <AlanBell> and we decided not to do that
[14:53] <cryptopsy> hi fags
[14:53] <cryptopsy> bye fags
[14:54] <IdleOne> Who was that ignorant troll!
[14:55] <Fuchs> a known one
[15:49] <mneptok> IME, most of the homosexual community would not discriminate against others that way, and would be sure to include them in a greeting.
  might need an eye on in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic, even though it gets better currently.
[20:22] <Fuchs> (a different user just reported to me, no idea why he comes to me, though)