| mhall119 | tgm4883: from the discussion at UDS, the remote will work like the arrow buttons and enter button | 00:03 |
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| mhall119 | try not to assume more than that | 00:03 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: I don't think LP is a good place to host an ISO, how big will it be? | 00:04 |
| mhall119 | we can probably find a better place for it | 00:04 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, that's actually how I was making it :) | 00:04 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, not sure yet but I am thinking that it will be no bigger then 1.5 gigs but I 100% could be wrong on that. | 00:05 |
| mhall119 | yeah, so we should probably find a better place to host it | 00:05 |
| mhall119 | I'll ask tomorrow where we can do that | 00:06 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: do you have an automated process for making it? Maybe we can have it start doing daily or weekly images | 00:06 |
| bobweaver | sweet mhall119 You know where to find me also here is my lp page and wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/josephmills https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills | 00:07 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, not yept but that would not be to hard will work on that. | 00:08 |
| bobweaver | s|yept|yet | 00:08 |
| mhall119 | wait, your name is joseph james mills, but your irc nick is bob weaver? | 00:09 |
| mhall119 | that's not confusing at all | 00:09 |
| bobweaver | lol | 00:17 |
| bobweaver | bobweaver is a sudo name for jon fishmen to make thing's easier | 00:18 |
| bobweaver | whos nick name is henrietta :D | 00:18 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well...not mine | 00:27 |
| bobweaver | I wish that this worked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntutv | 00:29 |
| bobweaver | anyone know how to get in touch with will ? | 00:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | I don't know and I'm off to bed | 00:31 |
| bobweaver | have good sleep :) | 00:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | Thanks, you too when the time cometh | 00:32 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: why do you want blueprints? | 00:34 |
| mhall119 | we already have the one from UDS | 00:34 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, thouse are the links ? | 00:39 |
| bobweaver | in the topic | 00:39 |
| bobweaver | I use blueprints wrong I think I 0like too use them like flowcharts | 00:40 |
| bobweaver | Like this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zpanelcp/+spec/upsource-dev | 00:40 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-ubuntu-tv-involvement is the blueprint from UDS | 00:40 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, that is 100% what I was looking for thanks a ton again :) | 00:41 |
| mhall119 | np | 00:42 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, s-team stands for santon ? if so what is santon ? | 00:44 |
| bobweaver | some how I keep on ending up on the lp page for santon when searching for docs/code and what not | 00:45 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: santon was the project name for the CES demo | 01:22 |
| popey | MrChrisDruif: --- Log opened Wed Nov 02 13:19:31 2011 | 05:52 |
| popey | 13:19 -!- popey [~alan@ubuntu/member/popey] has joined #ubuntu-tv | 05:52 |
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| bobweaver | Sweet at the end of the day the size of the ISO is 686MB \0/ | 08:29 |
| bobweaver | now to test on virtual box | 08:30 |
| bobweaver | er back to mucking with xsession | 09:07 |
| bobweaver | er now I am over cd limit | 11:17 |
| bobweaver | all right 2nd build is done lets see if it boots | 11:51 |
| bobweaver | It is Installing \o/ | 12:05 |
| bobweaver | http://imagebin.org/213246 | 12:09 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: nice! | 12:17 |
| bobweaver | it is failing to load session thou | 12:17 |
| mhall119 | not so nice | 12:17 |
| bobweaver | still some kinks to work out | 12:17 |
| bobweaver | I am also 34MB over cd limit :( | 12:19 |
| mhall119 | I wouldn't worry to much about being under 700MB | 12:19 |
| mhall119 | it's not like most TVs have CD drives | 12:20 |
| bobweaver | true I also have a bare min unity 3d on this thing and that can go but I figured that it is good for it to stay for right now | 12:22 |
| tbf | why is ubuntu that obsessed over 700 MB btw? | 12:29 |
| tbf | at least at my home DVD are much cheaper than CDRs for several years now | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | tbf, where do you live ? :) | 12:30 |
| tbf | ogra_, germany | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | try getting a DVD RW or even a DVD reader in africa :) | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | or india ... | 12:30 |
| ogra_ | as long as there are still lots of users in the world not being able to use DVDs ubuntu will provide CD isos ... which binds to 700M | 12:31 |
| tbf | ogra_, first consumer recorders were introduced more than 12 years ago... | 12:32 |
| ogra_ | also note that there are still huge amounts of pople still using dialup modems ... | 12:33 |
| tbf | ok. world is strange, but __that__ strange? | 12:33 |
| tbf | are cdr recoreders even produced still? | 12:34 |
| bobweaver | alright I beefed it up to 848.something MB wish me luck | 12:35 |
| popey | hey bobweaver | 12:35 |
| tbf | ok. amazon still lists a few. ok. | 12:36 |
| popey | bobweaver have you documented how the image was created anywhere? | 12:36 |
| popey | maybe we should have an etherpad doc open to track this great stuff :D | 12:36 |
| mhall119 | tbf: it makes it easier to obtain, and also means we can't be lazy and just add more stuff to get around problems | 12:36 |
| bobweaver | popey, hey there :) no I have not started docing this stuff yet | 12:36 |
| bobweaver | documenting * | 12:37 |
| popey | how are you making the iso? | 12:37 |
| popey | remastersys or something? | 12:37 |
| tbf | but seems they are more expensive than the cheapest dvd recorders | 12:37 |
| bobweaver | as of right now I am useing remastersys | 12:37 |
| popey | ok | 12:37 |
| tbf | but well. i am off-topic | 12:37 |
| popey | we use live-build internally | 12:37 |
| popey | *hint* | 12:37 |
| popey | ;) | 12:37 |
| bobweaver | but I want to get down then start making chrooted one | 12:37 |
| ogra_ | tbf, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/ has DVD images btw | 12:37 |
| tbf | ogra_, +1 | 12:38 |
| bobweaver | popey, debian live build ? | 12:38 |
| popey | ya | 12:38 |
| bobweaver | kah | 12:38 |
| bobweaver | that is easy enough :) | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | (since years, they are just not promoted as default) | 12:38 |
| popey | yeah, thats what i used for the demo iso we used at the various trade shows | 12:38 |
| bobweaver | cool popey | 12:39 |
| bobweaver | popey, do you know if anyone in boston is working on this ? | 12:39 |
| bobweaver | or is it all UK ? | 12:39 |
| popey | we're a global company :D | 12:39 |
| ogra_ | lol | 12:39 |
| bobweaver | I meant the office in boston :) | 12:39 |
| popey | Lexington? | 12:39 |
| bobweaver | yup | 12:40 |
| popey | we have people all around the world, sometimes they go to offices | 12:40 |
| popey | most people work from home though | 12:40 |
| popey | why? | 12:40 |
| bobweaver | well I would take bus there to try and talk too some people if option is open | 12:40 |
| popey | ah | 12:40 |
| bobweaver | only 5 or 6 hr away | 12:41 |
| jhodapp | bobweaver: are you in MA? | 12:41 |
| bobweaver | + I have a bunch friends that live in the south shore | 12:41 |
| bobweaver | no I am in New york upstate | 12:41 |
| popey | most of the work doesn't happen in lexingon tbh | 12:41 |
| popey | (thats not a generalisation ;) ) | 12:41 |
| popey | just that TV is spread out. | 12:41 |
| bobweaver | I see | 12:41 |
| jhodapp | I'm in Indiana | 12:42 |
| popey | bobweaver: if you need specific help with stuff then just ping jhodapp or Saviq, they're most involved right now AIUI | 12:43 |
| bobweaver | cool thanks a bunch | 12:43 |
| * popey lunches | 12:43 | |
| bobweaver | by the way the iso is working for ubuntu tv but not unity3d | 12:43 |
| bobweaver | jhodapp, northen or southern ? | 12:45 |
| jhodapp | central | 12:45 |
| bobweaver | cool | 12:45 |
| bobweaver | I have some friends well 2 that live in gary but that is not central | 12:45 |
| jhodapp | oooh, Gary...they choose to live there? :) | 12:46 |
| bobweaver | I still wonder that my-self I think it is because of family | 12:46 |
| jhodapp | interesting, scary place, even in the daylight | 12:47 |
| bobweaver | but yeah that is coming from me the one that lives in the ghetto | 12:47 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, is there anything in particular you have issues with to get the iso built? | 12:47 |
| bobweaver | yeah I have to learn more about debian live it has been a couple of months sense I last used | 12:49 |
| * bobweaver scratches his head and thinks about hooks | 12:49 | |
| bobweaver | Saviq, I am having trouble with GSETTINGS_ part also I want to point it to /usr/share/unity-2d/ as I have planted that there now but it keeps yelling about the com.canonical.Unity2d part | 12:51 |
| bobweaver | well /usr/share/ubuntu-tv/data I think | 12:52 |
| bobweaver | well I know that is where "ubuntu-tv" is but not sure about pointing GSETTINGS | 12:52 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, that's not how you should approach that, just build packages from the ubuntutv code | 12:52 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, and replace unity-2d* with them | 12:52 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, the installation trigger will take care of compiling the schemas for gsettings | 12:53 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, ubuntutv is now just a version of unity-2d | 12:54 |
| bobweaver | yeah I figured as much like a alted version | 12:54 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, you will need to modify the gnome session to replace launcher+dash with shell | 12:54 |
| Saviq | as they got merged | 12:54 |
| bobweaver | there are a couple of things that I am having trouble with. Like how to assign pictures for fan art and metadata ect | 12:55 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, we used the xbmc format for that | 12:55 |
| bobweaver | Saviq, yup xbmc is installed and all set up | 12:55 |
| bobweaver | but there is sill not pictures or info for movies | 12:56 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, so you just need to export the metadata from xbmc into .nfo files and images | 12:56 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, and the video lens will pick those up | 12:56 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, you can see the details in the README file for the lens | 12:56 |
| bobweaver | scan -r and also on start up with xbmc is set up also ~/Videos/unity/local/{rented,featured,and the other two} also have set up just like it says in the README.txt | 12:58 |
| bobweaver | I also removed xbmc.desktop and .application files | 12:59 |
| bobweaver | so there is only ubuntu and ubuntutv in lightdm menu | 13:00 |
| bobweaver | http://imagebin.org/213255 | 13:02 |
| bobweaver | here is what I am talking about with the images http://imagebin.org/213256 | 13:04 |
| bobweaver | that is live iso by the way ^^ | 13:04 |
| bobweaver | here is a youtube video of it running http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbRRrJEwZ3E | 13:16 |
| bobweaver | that video is only allowed for people with the link | 13:16 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, so is there a <same_file_name>.tbn file for that video? | 13:24 |
| Saviq | that's what's used for the image in the list | 13:24 |
| bobweaver | Saviq, under ~/Videos/unity/local/featured/ ? | 13:25 |
| bobweaver | not sure what you mean | 13:26 |
| bobweaver | sorry | 13:26 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, the video you have there is under .../rented/ | 13:26 |
| bobweaver | there is no .tbn file | 13:26 |
| Saviq | so say the video file name is "some_file_name.avi", then there should be a "some_file_name.tbn" file | 13:27 |
| Saviq | which is really just an image file | 13:27 |
| Saviq | xbmc does that for you, but obviously not for a video that the web doesn't know about | 13:27 |
| bobweaver | so can I make .tbn file ? | 13:28 |
| bobweaver | do you have a sample that I could see ? | 13:29 |
| * bobweaver is googleing it now | 13:29 | |
| Saviq | bobweaver, it's just JPEG | 13:29 |
| Saviq | or PNG | 13:29 |
| bobweaver | the .tbn file is not metadata ? | 13:30 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, no, .nfo is metadata | 13:30 |
| Saviq | and you have that, otherwise the video wouldn't even show up on the list | 13:30 |
| Saviq | .nfo is required | 13:30 |
| bobweaver | where is .nfo located ? | 13:31 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, same place, same name as the video | 13:31 |
| bobweaver | Oo | 13:32 |
| bobweaver | Saviq, should I be making a folder for each video and storing all info in that said folder ? | 13:32 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, not necessary | 13:33 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, you can, but it will work either way | 13:33 |
| bobweaver | like ..../rented/foo/foo.{avi,nfo,tbn} . | 13:33 |
| bobweaver | sorry too slow on the typing | 13:33 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, ..../rented/foo.{avi,nfo,tbn} will work just as well | 13:33 |
| bobweaver | Thanks Saviq | 13:34 |
| bobweaver | there is something funny because there is no nfo file the only files I have are .avi | 13:34 |
| Saviq | they shouldn't show up then :] | 13:34 |
| Saviq | at least IIRC | 13:35 |
| Saviq | let me take a quick look at the code | 13:35 |
| bobweaver | thanks | 13:36 |
| Saviq | ah you're right | 13:37 |
| Saviq | we're looking for all videos | 13:37 |
| Saviq | so what you're seeing is fine | 13:37 |
| mhall119 | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/waiting-%E2%80%9Creal%E2%80%9D-apple-tv while it's all about Apple TV, the things the author says are needed are exactly what we're working on for Ubuntu TV | 13:42 |
| bobweaver | :) | 13:44 |
| mhall119 | I think lenses and scopes on a TV are going to be a real selling point for us | 13:45 |
| tgm4883 | +1 | 13:45 |
| tgm4883 | although I disagree with the author of that article | 13:45 |
| tgm4883 | Apple does not provide any more of a consistent interface than any other TV maker | 13:45 |
| jhodapp | as an Apple TV owner I agree | 13:47 |
| bobweaver | so I could make perl bash or python scrip most likly python that that is on loop that checks to see if file.avi/some video format then also check for .nfo and .tbn file if not there go scrape some site. if it is there check to see if it is up-too-date | 13:47 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: he's speculating about the what Jobs was supposed to be working on just before he died | 13:47 |
| mhall119 | something different from the current Apple TV | 13:47 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, that's not what I meant | 13:48 |
| tgm4883 | how can you have consistency from 1 thing? | 13:49 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, I believe it's consistency _in_ that one thing | 13:49 |
| Saviq | which most lack | 13:50 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, but that's the point. Them being different actually adds in another change. They are essentially fragmenting the market more | 13:50 |
| tgm4883 | Don't all Samsung smart TV's have the same interface too? | 13:50 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, in that sense we're fragmenting it again | 13:51 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, but there's a lack of consistency _inside_ a single product | 13:51 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, not exactly | 13:51 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: He meant that finding a video on Netflix and finding a video on Hulu require 2 completely different interfaces, even on the same device | 13:51 |
| mhall119 | our goal with Unity and Ubuntu TV is to make everything available through one interface, regardless of it's source | 13:52 |
| mhall119 | same with playback, we want everything go use the same player UI | 13:52 |
| bobweaver | that is a awesome goal ! | 13:52 |
| tgm4883 | apple has only ever done two things that are good | 13:52 |
| tgm4883 | 1) marketing | 13:52 |
| tgm4883 | 2) using there marketing to sell a bunch of stuff and then force big companies to release stuff digitally | 13:53 |
| tgm4883 | and they aren't even doing #2 that well | 13:53 |
| mhall119 | $0.99 music downloads, I'd say they cracked #2 pretty well | 13:53 |
| jhodapp | mhall119: yes, that is my biggest complaint of the Apple TV...search is a pain on it and I rarely use it | 13:53 |
| jhodapp | so I have to browse a lot | 13:54 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, well that depends on your view | 13:54 |
| * tgm4883 isn't a fan of exclusivity deals | 13:54 | |
| bobweaver | what about having emulator plugins does apple tv have that ? | 13:54 |
| bobweaver | like pcsx and pcsx 2 sct | 13:54 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: they were able to force the recording industry to do something that was good for consumers, even if it was bad for their bottom line, that can't have been easy | 13:55 |
| bobweaver | ect * | 13:55 |
| jhodapp | bobweaver: Apple TV has no plugins | 13:56 |
| bobweaver | well that is not good | 13:56 |
| jhodapp | it's not extendible by anyone but Apple | 13:56 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, yes, they partially did music and videos. Anything not in their itunes store doesn't exist | 13:56 |
| jhodapp | but apps can interact with the TV over Airplay | 13:56 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, I'd agree with you on the fragmentation if we only planned to release to one manufacturer, although it seems we're attempting to do something similar to what google tv does | 13:57 |
| tgm4883 | in that sense, we are fragmenting the market | 13:57 |
| bobweaver | I know that this is a little offtopic but you guy's think that rotten tomato is the best movie database or imbd ? | 13:58 |
| bobweaver | I am going to write scraper | 13:58 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, we can't use imdb | 13:58 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, why? | 13:58 |
| bobweaver | because xbmc is not working for me | 13:58 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, you seem to be reinventing the wheel a lot ;) | 13:58 |
| tgm4883 | scrapers are a bad idea | 13:58 |
| tgm4883 | use tmdb API | 13:58 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, xbmc is already doing all that for you | 13:59 |
| tgm4883 | and pull an already made script | 13:59 |
| bobweaver | Thanks a ton tgm4883 | 13:59 |
| tgm4883 | the only reason XBMC is needed, is because it makes the nfo and tbn files, and that is what UTV expects to find | 13:59 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, please tell me that won't always be the case ^ | 13:59 |
| tgm4883 | I think we'll need to ditch the .nfo files | 14:00 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, of course not | 14:00 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, that was just a quick'n'dirty solution for the demo | 14:00 |
| tgm4883 | ok | 14:00 |
| bobweaver | Saviq, what can we write to get ride of it ? | 14:00 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, we need a media scanner | 14:01 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 14:01 |
| Saviq | bobweaver, that will scan the filesystem and retrieve data and images | 14:01 |
| tgm4883 | I actually have something that might work for part of that | 14:01 |
| tgm4883 | It's a python app I wrote that uses inotify to monitor a directory for new files or removed files | 14:02 |
| tgm4883 | it then triggers another process | 14:02 |
| tgm4883 | that other process would be the metadata gathering utility. We'd need to plug in a grabber for tmdb or ttvdb | 14:03 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, but where does this all end up? if we aren't ending in .nfo files, is there plans to use a DB? | 14:03 |
| bobweaver | The thing that keeps poping up in my head is a easy way for end user to add videos for there own collection | 14:03 |
| jhodapp | tgm4883: yes, a db | 14:03 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, thats the idea behind my app. The user just adds it to a directory | 14:04 |
| Saviq | tgm4883, db is the only thing that will allow for fast searching | 14:04 |
| tgm4883 | Saviq, I agree | 14:04 |
| Saviq | so yup, it's a db | 14:04 |
| bobweaver | so we need db then :) | 14:04 |
| tgm4883 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythvideo-monitor/view/head:/mythvideo-monitor.py | 14:05 |
| tgm4883 | thats | 14:05 |
| tgm4883 | that's the monitoring utility I wrote | 14:05 |
| tgm4883 | it was written for MythTV, but it would be easily adaptable to ubuntu tv | 14:06 |
| tgm4883 | we never actually shipped it though, so it's unfinished | 14:06 |
| tgm4883 | it works though | 14:07 |
| bobweaver | How is the video.lens being called ? I am hacking the launcher | 16:08 |
| bobweaver | I want to intergrate unity-lens.applications I have all the buttons that I can select now because I alted ubuntutv/launcher/Simplelauncher.qml | 16:09 |
| bobweaver | well a hacked up version of it | 16:09 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: Unity will call the lens and scopes when the user initiates it | 16:11 |
| mhall119 | initiates the Dash that is | 16:11 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: what are you trying to do with it? | 16:12 |
| bobweaver | well I got all the icons working I mean I can now select them | 16:13 |
| mhall119 | icons in the dash, or the launcher? | 16:13 |
| bobweaver | I would now like to start on making a lens for applications that are installed so the enduser can use | 16:13 |
| bobweaver | launcher | 16:13 |
| mhall119 | we already have an applications lens | 16:13 |
| bobweaver | me and the wheel | 16:14 |
| bobweaver | where is code ? | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | one second | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | argh, unity.ubuntu.com is being slow | 16:15 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/common-components/#applications-lens | 16:17 |
| bobweaver | thanks a ton mhall119 and also I have no been able to tell you how awesome you are for making Singlet it has helped me big time so Thanks for that your are awesome and I give you a gold star :) | 16:17 |
| mhall119 | aw, thanks :) | 16:17 |
| mhall119 | I hope to be able to do a lot more with singlet this cycle | 16:17 |
| bobweaver | sweet it is like dh_make for packaging but only for unity stuff well kinda anyway good stuff | 16:19 |
| bobweaver | so wait I can just tie stock unity-lens-applications into this ? | 16:20 |
| bobweaver | onClicked: launcher.itemClicked("applictions-lens ") ? | 16:22 |
| bobweaver | to the SimpleLauncher.qml file | 16:22 |
| mhall119 | oh, you mean putting a launcher icon that opens the lens? | 16:23 |
| bobweaver | yea | 16:23 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, I think there were plans to support that already, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-unity | 16:23 |
| mhall119 | you certainly don't want to execute the applications-lens script on click | 16:24 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: ok, I'm told that there's a task to make this possible in Unity, but it hasn't been implemented yet | 16:28 |
| bobweaver | cool | 16:28 |
| mhall119 | it's something that will require a code change to Unity itself, I think | 16:28 |
| bobweaver | is it going to be like your pencil markups ? | 16:29 |
| mhall119 | I think it's going to be an option for the desktop, and probably default for TV | 16:30 |
| bobweaver | like to jump back to the desktop ? | 16:31 |
| bobweaver | nm sorry | 16:31 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: no, just general support for adding launchers to lenses | 16:35 |
| mhall119 | like we had in 11.04 | 16:35 |
| mhall119 | once that support lands in Unity, it'll be possible to do with any installed lens | 16:36 |
| bobweaver | v.cool | 16:37 |
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| bobweaver | Should I try and get all these or some of them implanted into TV ? http://www.noobslab.com/2012/01/install-important-lenses-in-ubuntu.html | 23:55 |
| bobweaver | write qml dash templates for each ? | 23:56 |
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