[00:03] <mhall119> tgm4883: from the discussion at UDS, the remote will work like the arrow buttons and enter button
[00:03] <mhall119> try not to assume more than that
[00:04] <mhall119> bobweaver: I don't think LP is a good place to host an ISO, how big will it be?
[00:04] <mhall119> we can probably find a better place for it
[00:04] <tgm4883> mhall119, that's actually how I was making it :)
[00:05] <bobweaver> mhall119,  not sure yet but I am thinking that it will be no bigger then 1.5 gigs but I 100% could be wrong on that.
[00:05] <mhall119> yeah, so we should probably find a better place to host it
[00:06] <mhall119> I'll ask tomorrow where we can do that
[00:06] <mhall119> bobweaver: do you have an automated process for making it?  Maybe we can have it start doing daily or weekly images
[00:07] <bobweaver> sweet mhall119  You know where to find me also here is my lp page and wiki    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/josephmills    https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills
[00:08] <bobweaver> mhall119,  not yept but that would not be to hard will work on that.
[00:08] <bobweaver> s|yept|yet
[00:09] <mhall119> wait, your name is joseph james mills, but your irc nick is bob weaver?
[00:09] <mhall119> that's not confusing at all
[00:17] <bobweaver> lol
[00:18] <bobweaver> bobweaver is a sudo name for jon fishmen to make thing's easier
[00:18] <bobweaver> whos nick name is henrietta  :D
[00:27] <MrChrisDruif> Well...not mine
[00:29] <bobweaver> I wish that this worked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntutv
[00:29] <bobweaver> anyone know how to get in touch with will ?
[00:31] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know and I'm off to bed
[00:31] <bobweaver> have good sleep :)
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks, you too when the time cometh
[00:34] <mhall119> bobweaver: why do you want blueprints?
[00:34] <mhall119> we already have the one from UDS
[00:39] <bobweaver> mhall119,  thouse are the links ?
[00:39] <bobweaver> in the topic
[00:40] <bobweaver> I use blueprints wrong I think I 0like too use them like flowcharts
[00:40] <bobweaver> Like this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zpanelcp/+spec/upsource-dev
[00:40] <mhall119> bobweaver: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-ubuntu-tv-involvement is the blueprint from UDS
[00:41] <bobweaver> mhall119,  that is 100% what I was looking for thanks a ton again :)
[00:42] <mhall119> np
[00:44] <bobweaver> mhall119,  s-team stands for santon ? if so what is santon ?
[00:45] <bobweaver> some how I keep on ending up on the lp page for santon when searching for docs/code and what not
[01:22] <mhall119> bobweaver: santon was the project name for the CES demo
[05:52] <popey> MrChrisDruif: --- Log opened Wed Nov 02 13:19:31 2011
[05:52] <popey> 13:19 -!- popey [~alan@ubuntu/member/popey] has joined #ubuntu-tv
[08:29] <bobweaver> Sweet at the end of the day the size of the ISO is 686MB  \0/
[08:30] <bobweaver> now to test on virtual box
[09:07] <bobweaver> er back to mucking with xsession
[11:17] <bobweaver> er now I am over cd limit
[11:51] <bobweaver> all right 2nd build is done lets see if it boots
[12:05] <bobweaver> It is Installing \o/
[12:09] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/213246
[12:17] <mhall119> bobweaver: nice!
[12:17] <bobweaver> it is failing to load session thou
[12:17] <mhall119> not so nice
[12:17] <bobweaver> still some kinks to work out
[12:19] <bobweaver> I am also 34MB over cd limit :(
[12:19] <mhall119> I wouldn't worry to much about being under 700MB
[12:20] <mhall119> it's not like most TVs have CD drives
[12:22] <bobweaver> true I also have a bare min unity 3d on this thing and that can go but I figured that it is good for it to stay for right now
[12:29] <tbf> why is ubuntu that obsessed over 700 MB btw?
[12:30] <tbf> at least at my home DVD are much cheaper than CDRs for several years now
[12:30] <ogra_> tbf, where do you live ? :)
[12:30] <tbf> ogra_, germany
[12:30] <ogra_> try getting a DVD RW or even a DVD reader in africa :)
[12:30] <ogra_> or india ...
[12:31] <ogra_> as long as there are still lots of users in the world not being able to use DVDs ubuntu will provide CD isos ... which binds to 700M
[12:32] <tbf> ogra_, first consumer recorders were introduced more than 12 years ago...
[12:33] <ogra_> also note that there are still huge amounts of pople still using dialup modems ...
[12:33] <tbf> ok. world is strange, but __that__ strange?
[12:34] <tbf> are cdr recoreders even produced still?
[12:35] <bobweaver> alright I beefed it up to 848.something MB wish me luck
[12:35] <popey> hey bobweaver
[12:36] <tbf> ok. amazon still lists a few. ok.
[12:36] <popey>  bobweaver have you documented how the image was created anywhere?
[12:36] <popey> maybe we should have an etherpad doc open to track this great stuff :D
[12:36] <mhall119> tbf: it makes it easier to obtain, and also means we can't be lazy and just add more stuff to get around problems
[12:36] <bobweaver> popey,  hey there :) no I have not started docing this stuff yet
[12:37] <bobweaver> documenting *
[12:37] <popey> how are you making the iso?
[12:37] <popey> remastersys or something?
[12:37] <tbf> but seems they are more expensive than the cheapest dvd recorders
[12:37] <bobweaver> as of right now I am useing remastersys
[12:37] <popey> ok
[12:37] <tbf> but well. i am off-topic
[12:37] <popey> we use live-build internally
[12:37] <popey> *hint*
[12:37] <popey> ;)
[12:37] <bobweaver> but  I want to get down then start making chrooted one
[12:37] <ogra_> tbf, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/ has DVD images btw
[12:38] <tbf> ogra_, +1
[12:38] <bobweaver> popey,  debian live build ?
[12:38] <popey> ya
[12:38] <bobweaver> kah
[12:38] <bobweaver> that is easy enough :)
[12:38] <ogra_> (since years, they are just not promoted as default)
[12:38] <popey> yeah, thats what i used for the demo iso we used at the various trade shows
[12:39] <bobweaver> cool popey
[12:39] <bobweaver> popey,  do you know if anyone in boston is working on this ?
[12:39] <bobweaver> or is it all UK ?
[12:39] <popey> we're a global company :D
[12:39] <ogra_> lol
[12:39] <bobweaver> I meant the office in boston :)
[12:39] <popey> Lexington?
[12:40] <bobweaver> yup
[12:40] <popey> we have people all around the world, sometimes they go to offices
[12:40] <popey> most people work from home though
[12:40] <popey> why?
[12:40] <bobweaver> well I would take bus there to try and talk too some people if option is open
[12:40] <popey> ah
[12:41] <bobweaver> only 5 or 6 hr away
[12:41] <jhodapp> bobweaver: are you in MA?
[12:41] <bobweaver> + I have a bunch friends that live in the south shore
[12:41] <bobweaver> no I am in New york upstate
[12:41] <popey> most of the work doesn't happen in lexingon tbh
[12:41] <popey> (thats not a generalisation ;) )
[12:41] <popey> just that TV is spread out.
[12:41] <bobweaver> I see
[12:42] <jhodapp> I'm in Indiana
[12:43] <popey> bobweaver: if you need specific help with stuff then just ping jhodapp or Saviq, they're most involved right now AIUI
[12:43] <bobweaver> cool thanks a bunch
[12:43]  * popey lunches
[12:43] <bobweaver> by the way the iso is working for ubuntu tv but not unity3d
[12:45] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  northen or southern ?
[12:45] <jhodapp> central
[12:45] <bobweaver> cool
[12:45] <bobweaver> I have some friends well 2 that live in gary but that is not central
[12:46] <jhodapp> oooh, Gary...they choose to live there? :)
[12:46] <bobweaver> I still wonder that my-self I think it is because of family
[12:47] <jhodapp> interesting, scary place, even in the daylight
[12:47] <bobweaver> but yeah that is coming from me the one that lives in the ghetto
[12:47] <Saviq> bobweaver, is there anything in particular you have issues with to get the iso built?
[12:49] <bobweaver> yeah I have to learn more about debian live it has been a couple of months sense I last used
[12:49]  * bobweaver scratches his head and thinks about hooks 
[12:51] <bobweaver> Saviq,  I am having trouble with GSETTINGS_ part also I want to point it to /usr/share/unity-2d/ as I have planted that there now but it keeps yelling about the com.canonical.Unity2d part
[12:52] <bobweaver> well /usr/share/ubuntu-tv/data   I think
[12:52] <bobweaver> well I know that is where "ubuntu-tv" is but not sure about pointing GSETTINGS
[12:52] <Saviq> bobweaver, that's not how you should approach that, just build packages from the ubuntutv code
[12:52] <Saviq> bobweaver, and replace unity-2d* with them
[12:53] <Saviq> bobweaver, the installation trigger will take care of compiling the schemas for gsettings
[12:54] <Saviq> bobweaver, ubuntutv is now just a version of unity-2d
[12:54] <bobweaver> yeah I figured as much like a alted version
[12:54] <Saviq> bobweaver, you will need to modify the gnome session to replace launcher+dash with shell
[12:54] <Saviq> as they got merged
[12:55] <bobweaver> there are a couple of things that I am having trouble with. Like how to assign pictures for fan art and metadata ect
[12:55] <Saviq> bobweaver, we used the xbmc format for that
[12:55] <bobweaver> Saviq,  yup xbmc is installed and all set up
[12:56] <bobweaver> but there is sill not pictures or info for movies
[12:56] <Saviq> bobweaver, so you just need to export the metadata from xbmc into .nfo files and images
[12:56] <Saviq> bobweaver, and the video lens will pick those up
[12:56] <Saviq> bobweaver, you can see the details in the README file for the lens
[12:58] <bobweaver> scan -r and also on start up with xbmc is set up also ~/Videos/unity/local/{rented,featured,and the other two} also have set up just like it says in the README.txt
[12:59] <bobweaver> I also removed xbmc.desktop and .application  files
[13:00] <bobweaver> so there is only ubuntu and ubuntutv in lightdm menu
[13:02] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/213255
[13:04] <bobweaver> here is what I am talking about with the images http://imagebin.org/213256
[13:04] <bobweaver> that is live iso by the way ^^
[13:16] <bobweaver> here is a youtube video of it running http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbRRrJEwZ3E
[13:16] <bobweaver> that video is only allowed for people with the link
[13:24] <Saviq> bobweaver, so is there a <same_file_name>.tbn file for that video?
[13:24] <Saviq> that's what's used for the image in the list
[13:25] <bobweaver> Saviq,  under ~/Videos/unity/local/featured/   ?
[13:26] <bobweaver> not sure what you mean
[13:26] <bobweaver> sorry
[13:26] <Saviq> bobweaver, the video you have there is under .../rented/
[13:26] <bobweaver> there is no .tbn file
[13:27] <Saviq> so say the video file name is "some_file_name.avi", then there should be a "some_file_name.tbn" file
[13:27] <Saviq> which is really just an image file
[13:27] <Saviq> xbmc does that for you, but obviously not for a video that the web doesn't know about
[13:28] <bobweaver> so can I make .tbn file ?
[13:29] <bobweaver> do you have a sample that I could see ?
[13:29]  * bobweaver is googleing it now 
[13:29] <Saviq> bobweaver, it's just JPEG
[13:29] <Saviq> or PNG
[13:30] <bobweaver> the .tbn file is not metadata ?
[13:30] <Saviq> bobweaver, no, .nfo is metadata
[13:30] <Saviq> and you have that, otherwise the video wouldn't even show up on the list
[13:30] <Saviq> .nfo is required
[13:31] <bobweaver> where is .nfo  located ?
[13:31] <Saviq> bobweaver, same place, same name as the video
[13:32] <bobweaver> Oo
[13:32] <bobweaver> Saviq,  should I be making a folder for each video and storing all info in that said folder ?
[13:33] <Saviq> bobweaver, not necessary
[13:33] <Saviq> bobweaver, you can, but it will work either way
[13:33] <bobweaver> like ..../rented/foo/foo.{avi,nfo,tbn} .
[13:33] <bobweaver> sorry too slow on the typing
[13:33] <Saviq> bobweaver, ..../rented/foo.{avi,nfo,tbn} will work just as well
[13:34] <bobweaver> Thanks Saviq
[13:34] <bobweaver> there is something funny because there is no nfo file the only files I have are .avi
[13:34] <Saviq> they shouldn't show up then :]
[13:35] <Saviq> at least IIRC
[13:35] <Saviq> let me take a quick look at the code
[13:36] <bobweaver> thanks
[13:37] <Saviq> ah you're right
[13:37] <Saviq> we're looking for all videos
[13:37] <Saviq> so what you're seeing is fine
[13:42] <mhall119> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/waiting-%E2%80%9Creal%E2%80%9D-apple-tv while it's all about Apple TV, the things the author says are needed are exactly what we're working on for Ubuntu TV
[13:44] <bobweaver> :)
[13:45] <mhall119> I think lenses and scopes on a TV are going to be a real selling point for us
[13:45] <tgm4883> +1
[13:45] <tgm4883> although I disagree with the author of that article
[13:45] <tgm4883> Apple does not provide any more of a consistent interface than any other TV maker
[13:47] <jhodapp> as an Apple TV owner I agree
[13:47] <bobweaver> so I could make perl bash or python scrip most likly python that  that is on loop that checks to see if file.avi/some video format  then also check for .nfo and .tbn file if not there go scrape some site.  if it is there check to see if it is up-too-date
[13:47] <mhall119> tgm4883: he's speculating about the what Jobs was supposed to be working on just before he died
[13:47] <mhall119> something different from the current Apple TV
[13:48] <tgm4883> mhall119, that's not what I meant
[13:49] <tgm4883> how can you have consistency from 1 thing?
[13:49] <Saviq> tgm4883, I believe it's consistency _in_ that one thing
[13:50] <Saviq> which most lack
[13:50] <tgm4883> Saviq, but that's the point. Them being different actually adds in another change. They are essentially fragmenting the market more
[13:50] <tgm4883> Don't all Samsung smart TV's have the same interface too?
[13:51] <Saviq> tgm4883, in that sense we're fragmenting it again
[13:51] <Saviq> tgm4883, but there's a lack of consistency _inside_ a single product
[13:51] <tgm4883> Saviq, not exactly
[13:51] <mhall119> tgm4883: He meant that finding a video on Netflix and finding a video on Hulu require 2 completely different interfaces, even on the same device
[13:52] <mhall119> our goal with Unity and Ubuntu TV is to make everything available through one interface, regardless of it's source
[13:52] <mhall119> same with playback, we want everything go use the same player UI
[13:52] <bobweaver> that is a awesome goal !
[13:52] <tgm4883> apple has only ever done two things that are good
[13:52] <tgm4883> 1) marketing
[13:53] <tgm4883> 2) using there marketing to sell a bunch of stuff and then force big companies to release stuff digitally
[13:53] <tgm4883> and they aren't even doing #2 that well
[13:53] <mhall119> $0.99 music downloads, I'd say they cracked #2 pretty well
[13:53] <jhodapp> mhall119: yes, that is my biggest complaint of the Apple TV...search is a pain on it and I rarely use it
[13:54] <jhodapp> so I have to browse a lot
[13:54] <tgm4883> mhall119, well that depends on your view
[13:54]  * tgm4883 isn't a fan of exclusivity deals
[13:54] <bobweaver> what about having emulator plugins does apple tv have that ?
[13:54] <bobweaver> like pcsx and pcsx 2 sct
[13:55] <mhall119> tgm4883: they were able to force the recording industry to do something that was good for consumers, even if it was bad for their bottom line, that can't have been easy
[13:55] <bobweaver> ect *
[13:56] <jhodapp> bobweaver: Apple TV has no plugins
[13:56] <bobweaver> well that is not good
[13:56] <jhodapp> it's not extendible by anyone but Apple
[13:56] <tgm4883> mhall119, yes, they partially did music and videos. Anything not in their itunes store doesn't exist
[13:56] <jhodapp> but apps can interact with the TV over Airplay
[13:57] <tgm4883> Saviq, I'd agree with you on the fragmentation if we only planned to release to one manufacturer, although it seems we're attempting to do something similar to what google tv does
[13:57] <tgm4883> in that sense, we are fragmenting the market
[13:58] <bobweaver> I know that this is a little offtopic but you guy's think that rotten tomato is the best movie database or imbd ?
[13:58] <bobweaver> I am going to write scraper
[13:58] <tgm4883> bobweaver, we can't use imdb
[13:58] <tgm4883> bobweaver, why?
[13:58] <bobweaver> because xbmc is not working for me
[13:58] <Saviq> bobweaver, you seem to be reinventing the wheel a lot ;)
[13:58] <tgm4883> scrapers are a bad idea
[13:58] <tgm4883> use tmdb API
[13:59] <Saviq> bobweaver, xbmc is already doing all that for you
[13:59] <tgm4883> and pull an already made script
[13:59] <bobweaver> Thanks a ton tgm4883
[13:59] <tgm4883> the only reason XBMC is needed, is because it makes the nfo and tbn files, and that is what UTV expects to find
[13:59] <tgm4883> Saviq, please tell me that won't always be the case ^
[14:00] <tgm4883> I think we'll need to ditch the .nfo files
[14:00] <Saviq> tgm4883, of course not
[14:00] <Saviq> tgm4883, that was just a quick'n'dirty solution for the demo
[14:00] <tgm4883> ok
[14:00] <bobweaver> Saviq, what can we write to get ride of it  ?
[14:01] <Saviq> bobweaver, we need a media scanner
[14:01] <tgm4883> hmm
[14:01] <Saviq> bobweaver, that will scan the filesystem and retrieve data and images
[14:01] <tgm4883> I actually have something that might work for part of that
[14:02] <tgm4883> It's a python app I wrote that uses inotify to monitor a directory for new files or removed files
[14:02] <tgm4883> it then triggers another process
[14:03] <tgm4883> that other process would be the metadata gathering utility. We'd need to plug in a grabber for tmdb or ttvdb
[14:03] <tgm4883> Saviq, but where does this all end up? if we aren't ending in .nfo files, is there plans to use a DB?
[14:03] <bobweaver> The thing that keeps poping up in my head is a easy way for end user to add videos for there own collection
[14:03] <jhodapp> tgm4883: yes, a db
[14:04] <tgm4883> bobweaver, thats the idea behind my app. The user just adds it to a directory
[14:04] <Saviq> tgm4883, db is the only thing that will allow for fast searching
[14:04] <tgm4883> Saviq, I agree
[14:04] <Saviq> so yup, it's a db
[14:04] <bobweaver> so we need db then :)
[14:05] <tgm4883> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythvideo-monitor/view/head:/mythvideo-monitor.py
[14:05] <tgm4883> thats
[14:05] <tgm4883> that's the monitoring utility I wrote
[14:06] <tgm4883> it was written for MythTV, but it would be easily adaptable to ubuntu tv
[14:06] <tgm4883> we never actually shipped it though, so it's unfinished
[14:07] <tgm4883> it works though
[16:08] <bobweaver> How is the video.lens being called ? I am hacking the launcher
[16:09] <bobweaver> I  want to intergrate unity-lens.applications  I have all the buttons that I can select now because I alted ubuntutv/launcher/Simplelauncher.qml
[16:09] <bobweaver> well a hacked up version of it
[16:11] <mhall119> bobweaver: Unity will call the lens and scopes when the user initiates it
[16:11] <mhall119> initiates the Dash that is
[16:12] <mhall119> bobweaver: what are you trying to do with it?
[16:13] <bobweaver> well I got all the icons working I mean I can now select them
[16:13] <mhall119> icons in the dash, or the launcher?
[16:13] <bobweaver> I would now like to start on making a lens for applications that are installed so the enduser can use
[16:13] <bobweaver> launcher
[16:13] <mhall119> we already have an applications lens
[16:14] <bobweaver> me and the wheel
[16:14] <bobweaver> where is code ?
[16:14] <mhall119> one second
[16:15] <mhall119> argh, unity.ubuntu.com is being slow
[16:17] <mhall119> bobweaver: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/common-components/#applications-lens
[16:17] <bobweaver> thanks a ton mhall119  and also I have no been able to tell you how awesome you are for making Singlet it has helped me big time so Thanks for that your are awesome and I give you a gold star :)
[16:17] <mhall119> aw, thanks :)
[16:17] <mhall119> I hope to be able to do a lot more with singlet this cycle
[16:19] <bobweaver> sweet it is like dh_make for packaging but only for unity stuff well kinda anyway good stuff
[16:20] <bobweaver> so wait I can just tie stock unity-lens-applications into this ?
[16:22] <bobweaver> onClicked: launcher.itemClicked("applictions-lens ")  ?
[16:22] <bobweaver> to the SimpleLauncher.qml file
[16:23] <mhall119> oh, you mean putting a launcher icon that opens the lens?
[16:23] <bobweaver> yea
[16:23] <mhall119> hmmm, I think there were plans to support that already, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-unity
[16:24] <mhall119> you certainly don't want to execute the applications-lens script on click
[16:28] <mhall119> bobweaver: ok, I'm told that there's a task to make this possible in Unity, but it hasn't been implemented yet
[16:28] <bobweaver> cool
[16:28] <mhall119> it's something that will require a code change to Unity itself, I think
[16:29] <bobweaver> is it going to be like your pencil markups ?
[16:30] <mhall119> I think it's going to be an option for the desktop, and probably default for TV
[16:31] <bobweaver> like to jump back to the desktop ?
[16:31] <bobweaver> nm sorry
[16:35] <mhall119> bobweaver: no, just general support for adding launchers to lenses
[16:35] <mhall119> like we had in 11.04
[16:36] <mhall119> once that support lands in Unity, it'll be possible to do with any installed lens
[16:37] <bobweaver> v.cool
[23:55] <bobweaver> Should I try and get all these or some of them implanted into TV ?  http://www.noobslab.com/2012/01/install-important-lenses-in-ubuntu.html
[23:56] <bobweaver> write qml dash templates for each ?