[00:03] tgm4883: from the discussion at UDS, the remote will work like the arrow buttons and enter button [00:03] try not to assume more than that [00:04] bobweaver: I don't think LP is a good place to host an ISO, how big will it be? [00:04] we can probably find a better place for it [00:04] mhall119, that's actually how I was making it :) [00:05] mhall119, not sure yet but I am thinking that it will be no bigger then 1.5 gigs but I 100% could be wrong on that. [00:05] yeah, so we should probably find a better place to host it [00:06] I'll ask tomorrow where we can do that [00:06] bobweaver: do you have an automated process for making it? Maybe we can have it start doing daily or weekly images [00:07] sweet mhall119 You know where to find me also here is my lp page and wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/josephmills https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills [00:08] mhall119, not yept but that would not be to hard will work on that. [00:08] s|yept|yet [00:09] wait, your name is joseph james mills, but your irc nick is bob weaver? [00:09] that's not confusing at all [00:17] lol [00:18] bobweaver is a sudo name for jon fishmen to make thing's easier [00:18] whos nick name is henrietta :D [00:27] Well...not mine [00:29] I wish that this worked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntutv [00:29] anyone know how to get in touch with will ? [00:31] I don't know and I'm off to bed [00:31] have good sleep :) [00:32] Thanks, you too when the time cometh [00:34] bobweaver: why do you want blueprints? [00:34] we already have the one from UDS [00:39] mhall119, thouse are the links ? [00:39] in the topic [00:40] I use blueprints wrong I think I 0like too use them like flowcharts [00:40] Like this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zpanelcp/+spec/upsource-dev [00:40] bobweaver: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-ubuntu-tv-involvement is the blueprint from UDS [00:41] mhall119, that is 100% what I was looking for thanks a ton again :) [00:42] np [00:44] mhall119, s-team stands for santon ? if so what is santon ? [00:45] some how I keep on ending up on the lp page for santon when searching for docs/code and what not [01:22] bobweaver: santon was the project name for the CES demo [05:52] MrChrisDruif: --- Log opened Wed Nov 02 13:19:31 2011 [05:52] 13:19 -!- popey [~alan@ubuntu/member/popey] has joined #ubuntu-tv === meetingology` is now known as meetingology [08:29] Sweet at the end of the day the size of the ISO is 686MB \0/ [08:30] now to test on virtual box [09:07] er back to mucking with xsession [11:17] er now I am over cd limit [11:51] all right 2nd build is done lets see if it boots [12:05] It is Installing \o/ [12:09] http://imagebin.org/213246 [12:17] bobweaver: nice! [12:17] it is failing to load session thou [12:17] not so nice [12:17] still some kinks to work out [12:19] I am also 34MB over cd limit :( [12:19] I wouldn't worry to much about being under 700MB [12:20] it's not like most TVs have CD drives [12:22] true I also have a bare min unity 3d on this thing and that can go but I figured that it is good for it to stay for right now [12:29] why is ubuntu that obsessed over 700 MB btw? [12:30] at least at my home DVD are much cheaper than CDRs for several years now [12:30] tbf, where do you live ? :) [12:30] ogra_, germany [12:30] try getting a DVD RW or even a DVD reader in africa :) [12:30] or india ... [12:31] as long as there are still lots of users in the world not being able to use DVDs ubuntu will provide CD isos ... which binds to 700M [12:32] ogra_, first consumer recorders were introduced more than 12 years ago... [12:33] also note that there are still huge amounts of pople still using dialup modems ... [12:33] ok. world is strange, but __that__ strange? [12:34] are cdr recoreders even produced still? [12:35] alright I beefed it up to 848.something MB wish me luck [12:35] hey bobweaver [12:36] ok. amazon still lists a few. ok. [12:36] bobweaver have you documented how the image was created anywhere? [12:36] maybe we should have an etherpad doc open to track this great stuff :D [12:36] tbf: it makes it easier to obtain, and also means we can't be lazy and just add more stuff to get around problems [12:36] popey, hey there :) no I have not started docing this stuff yet [12:37] documenting * [12:37] how are you making the iso? [12:37] remastersys or something? [12:37] but seems they are more expensive than the cheapest dvd recorders [12:37] as of right now I am useing remastersys [12:37] ok [12:37] but well. i am off-topic [12:37] we use live-build internally [12:37] *hint* [12:37] ;) [12:37] but I want to get down then start making chrooted one [12:37] tbf, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/ has DVD images btw [12:38] ogra_, +1 [12:38] popey, debian live build ? [12:38] ya [12:38] kah [12:38] that is easy enough :) [12:38] (since years, they are just not promoted as default) [12:38] yeah, thats what i used for the demo iso we used at the various trade shows [12:39] cool popey [12:39] popey, do you know if anyone in boston is working on this ? [12:39] or is it all UK ? [12:39] we're a global company :D [12:39] lol [12:39] I meant the office in boston :) [12:39] Lexington? [12:40] yup [12:40] we have people all around the world, sometimes they go to offices [12:40] most people work from home though [12:40] why? [12:40] well I would take bus there to try and talk too some people if option is open [12:40] ah [12:41] only 5 or 6 hr away [12:41] bobweaver: are you in MA? [12:41] + I have a bunch friends that live in the south shore [12:41] no I am in New york upstate [12:41] most of the work doesn't happen in lexingon tbh [12:41] (thats not a generalisation ;) ) [12:41] just that TV is spread out. [12:41] I see [12:42] I'm in Indiana [12:43] bobweaver: if you need specific help with stuff then just ping jhodapp or Saviq, they're most involved right now AIUI [12:43] cool thanks a bunch [12:43] * popey lunches [12:43] by the way the iso is working for ubuntu tv but not unity3d [12:45] jhodapp, northen or southern ? [12:45] central [12:45] cool [12:45] I have some friends well 2 that live in gary but that is not central [12:46] oooh, Gary...they choose to live there? :) [12:46] I still wonder that my-self I think it is because of family [12:47] interesting, scary place, even in the daylight [12:47] but yeah that is coming from me the one that lives in the ghetto [12:47] bobweaver, is there anything in particular you have issues with to get the iso built? [12:49] yeah I have to learn more about debian live it has been a couple of months sense I last used [12:49] * bobweaver scratches his head and thinks about hooks [12:51] Saviq, I am having trouble with GSETTINGS_ part also I want to point it to /usr/share/unity-2d/ as I have planted that there now but it keeps yelling about the com.canonical.Unity2d part [12:52] well /usr/share/ubuntu-tv/data I think [12:52] well I know that is where "ubuntu-tv" is but not sure about pointing GSETTINGS [12:52] bobweaver, that's not how you should approach that, just build packages from the ubuntutv code [12:52] bobweaver, and replace unity-2d* with them [12:53] bobweaver, the installation trigger will take care of compiling the schemas for gsettings [12:54] bobweaver, ubuntutv is now just a version of unity-2d [12:54] yeah I figured as much like a alted version [12:54] bobweaver, you will need to modify the gnome session to replace launcher+dash with shell [12:54] as they got merged [12:55] there are a couple of things that I am having trouble with. Like how to assign pictures for fan art and metadata ect [12:55] bobweaver, we used the xbmc format for that [12:55] Saviq, yup xbmc is installed and all set up [12:56] but there is sill not pictures or info for movies [12:56] bobweaver, so you just need to export the metadata from xbmc into .nfo files and images [12:56] bobweaver, and the video lens will pick those up [12:56] bobweaver, you can see the details in the README file for the lens [12:58] scan -r and also on start up with xbmc is set up also ~/Videos/unity/local/{rented,featured,and the other two} also have set up just like it says in the README.txt [12:59] I also removed xbmc.desktop and .application files [13:00] so there is only ubuntu and ubuntutv in lightdm menu [13:02] http://imagebin.org/213255 [13:04] here is what I am talking about with the images http://imagebin.org/213256 [13:04] that is live iso by the way ^^ [13:16] here is a youtube video of it running http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbRRrJEwZ3E [13:16] that video is only allowed for people with the link [13:24] bobweaver, so is there a .tbn file for that video? [13:24] that's what's used for the image in the list [13:25] Saviq, under ~/Videos/unity/local/featured/ ? [13:26] not sure what you mean [13:26] sorry [13:26] bobweaver, the video you have there is under .../rented/ [13:26] there is no .tbn file [13:27] so say the video file name is "some_file_name.avi", then there should be a "some_file_name.tbn" file [13:27] which is really just an image file [13:27] xbmc does that for you, but obviously not for a video that the web doesn't know about [13:28] so can I make .tbn file ? [13:29] do you have a sample that I could see ? [13:29] * bobweaver is googleing it now [13:29] bobweaver, it's just JPEG [13:29] or PNG [13:30] the .tbn file is not metadata ? [13:30] bobweaver, no, .nfo is metadata [13:30] and you have that, otherwise the video wouldn't even show up on the list [13:30] .nfo is required [13:31] where is .nfo located ? [13:31] bobweaver, same place, same name as the video [13:32] Oo [13:32] Saviq, should I be making a folder for each video and storing all info in that said folder ? [13:33] bobweaver, not necessary [13:33] bobweaver, you can, but it will work either way [13:33] like ..../rented/foo/foo.{avi,nfo,tbn} . [13:33] sorry too slow on the typing [13:33] bobweaver, ..../rented/foo.{avi,nfo,tbn} will work just as well [13:34] Thanks Saviq [13:34] there is something funny because there is no nfo file the only files I have are .avi [13:34] they shouldn't show up then :] [13:35] at least IIRC [13:35] let me take a quick look at the code [13:36] thanks [13:37] ah you're right [13:37] we're looking for all videos [13:37] so what you're seeing is fine [13:42] http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/waiting-%E2%80%9Creal%E2%80%9D-apple-tv while it's all about Apple TV, the things the author says are needed are exactly what we're working on for Ubuntu TV [13:44] :) [13:45] I think lenses and scopes on a TV are going to be a real selling point for us [13:45] +1 [13:45] although I disagree with the author of that article [13:45] Apple does not provide any more of a consistent interface than any other TV maker [13:47] as an Apple TV owner I agree [13:47] so I could make perl bash or python scrip most likly python that that is on loop that checks to see if file.avi/some video format then also check for .nfo and .tbn file if not there go scrape some site. if it is there check to see if it is up-too-date [13:47] tgm4883: he's speculating about the what Jobs was supposed to be working on just before he died [13:47] something different from the current Apple TV [13:48] mhall119, that's not what I meant [13:49] how can you have consistency from 1 thing? [13:49] tgm4883, I believe it's consistency _in_ that one thing [13:50] which most lack [13:50] Saviq, but that's the point. Them being different actually adds in another change. They are essentially fragmenting the market more [13:50] Don't all Samsung smart TV's have the same interface too? [13:51] tgm4883, in that sense we're fragmenting it again [13:51] tgm4883, but there's a lack of consistency _inside_ a single product [13:51] Saviq, not exactly [13:51] tgm4883: He meant that finding a video on Netflix and finding a video on Hulu require 2 completely different interfaces, even on the same device [13:52] our goal with Unity and Ubuntu TV is to make everything available through one interface, regardless of it's source [13:52] same with playback, we want everything go use the same player UI [13:52] that is a awesome goal ! [13:52] apple has only ever done two things that are good [13:52] 1) marketing [13:53] 2) using there marketing to sell a bunch of stuff and then force big companies to release stuff digitally [13:53] and they aren't even doing #2 that well [13:53] $0.99 music downloads, I'd say they cracked #2 pretty well [13:53] mhall119: yes, that is my biggest complaint of the Apple TV...search is a pain on it and I rarely use it [13:54] so I have to browse a lot [13:54] mhall119, well that depends on your view [13:54] * tgm4883 isn't a fan of exclusivity deals [13:54] what about having emulator plugins does apple tv have that ? [13:54] like pcsx and pcsx 2 sct [13:55] tgm4883: they were able to force the recording industry to do something that was good for consumers, even if it was bad for their bottom line, that can't have been easy [13:55] ect * [13:56] bobweaver: Apple TV has no plugins [13:56] well that is not good [13:56] it's not extendible by anyone but Apple [13:56] mhall119, yes, they partially did music and videos. Anything not in their itunes store doesn't exist [13:56] but apps can interact with the TV over Airplay [13:57] Saviq, I'd agree with you on the fragmentation if we only planned to release to one manufacturer, although it seems we're attempting to do something similar to what google tv does [13:57] in that sense, we are fragmenting the market [13:58] I know that this is a little offtopic but you guy's think that rotten tomato is the best movie database or imbd ? [13:58] I am going to write scraper [13:58] bobweaver, we can't use imdb [13:58] bobweaver, why? [13:58] because xbmc is not working for me [13:58] bobweaver, you seem to be reinventing the wheel a lot ;) [13:58] scrapers are a bad idea [13:58] use tmdb API [13:59] bobweaver, xbmc is already doing all that for you [13:59] and pull an already made script [13:59] Thanks a ton tgm4883 [13:59] the only reason XBMC is needed, is because it makes the nfo and tbn files, and that is what UTV expects to find [13:59] Saviq, please tell me that won't always be the case ^ [14:00] I think we'll need to ditch the .nfo files [14:00] tgm4883, of course not [14:00] tgm4883, that was just a quick'n'dirty solution for the demo [14:00] ok [14:00] Saviq, what can we write to get ride of it ? [14:01] bobweaver, we need a media scanner [14:01] hmm [14:01] bobweaver, that will scan the filesystem and retrieve data and images [14:01] I actually have something that might work for part of that [14:02] It's a python app I wrote that uses inotify to monitor a directory for new files or removed files [14:02] it then triggers another process [14:03] that other process would be the metadata gathering utility. We'd need to plug in a grabber for tmdb or ttvdb [14:03] Saviq, but where does this all end up? if we aren't ending in .nfo files, is there plans to use a DB? [14:03] The thing that keeps poping up in my head is a easy way for end user to add videos for there own collection [14:03] tgm4883: yes, a db [14:04] bobweaver, thats the idea behind my app. The user just adds it to a directory [14:04] tgm4883, db is the only thing that will allow for fast searching [14:04] Saviq, I agree [14:04] so yup, it's a db [14:04] so we need db then :) [14:05] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythvideo-monitor/view/head:/mythvideo-monitor.py [14:05] thats [14:05] that's the monitoring utility I wrote [14:06] it was written for MythTV, but it would be easily adaptable to ubuntu tv [14:06] we never actually shipped it though, so it's unfinished [14:07] it works though [16:08] How is the video.lens being called ? I am hacking the launcher [16:09] I want to intergrate unity-lens.applications I have all the buttons that I can select now because I alted ubuntutv/launcher/Simplelauncher.qml [16:09] well a hacked up version of it [16:11] bobweaver: Unity will call the lens and scopes when the user initiates it [16:11] initiates the Dash that is [16:12] bobweaver: what are you trying to do with it? [16:13] well I got all the icons working I mean I can now select them [16:13] icons in the dash, or the launcher? [16:13] I would now like to start on making a lens for applications that are installed so the enduser can use [16:13] launcher [16:13] we already have an applications lens [16:14] me and the wheel [16:14] where is code ? [16:14] one second [16:15] argh, unity.ubuntu.com is being slow [16:17] bobweaver: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/common-components/#applications-lens [16:17] thanks a ton mhall119 and also I have no been able to tell you how awesome you are for making Singlet it has helped me big time so Thanks for that your are awesome and I give you a gold star :) [16:17] aw, thanks :) [16:17] I hope to be able to do a lot more with singlet this cycle [16:19] sweet it is like dh_make for packaging but only for unity stuff well kinda anyway good stuff [16:20] so wait I can just tie stock unity-lens-applications into this ? [16:22] onClicked: launcher.itemClicked("applictions-lens ") ? [16:22] to the SimpleLauncher.qml file [16:23] oh, you mean putting a launcher icon that opens the lens? [16:23] yea [16:23] hmmm, I think there were plans to support that already, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-unity [16:24] you certainly don't want to execute the applications-lens script on click [16:28] bobweaver: ok, I'm told that there's a task to make this possible in Unity, but it hasn't been implemented yet [16:28] cool [16:28] it's something that will require a code change to Unity itself, I think [16:29] is it going to be like your pencil markups ? [16:30] I think it's going to be an option for the desktop, and probably default for TV [16:31] like to jump back to the desktop ? [16:31] nm sorry [16:35] bobweaver: no, just general support for adding launchers to lenses [16:35] like we had in 11.04 [16:36] once that support lands in Unity, it'll be possible to do with any installed lens [16:37] v.cool === Faqtotum is now known as DonkeyHotei [23:55] Should I try and get all these or some of them implanted into TV ? http://www.noobslab.com/2012/01/install-important-lenses-in-ubuntu.html [23:56] write qml dash templates for each ?