[00:08] is compiz involved? [04:28] yes [04:28] I see it too [04:29] ali1234, you about? lg4l question :p [04:30] or anyone who happens to be good with packaging, I'm trying to remove a package, and it's refusing :< [04:32] think I managed to patch the prerm script to make it work \o/ [04:56] \o/ hacking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ [05:29] indeed :p [05:32] MartijnVdS: since your the only awake person, happen to know how to install a bios .rom file? [06:37] morning all [07:13] Morning all [07:29] Azelphur: urrr [07:29] Azelphur: install a BIOS ROM file? [07:29] Azelphur: as in, flash your bios with the contents of a file? [07:30] Azelphur: apt-cache search flash bios :) [07:30] Morning [07:30] morning daubers [07:32] Plasterer finishes today \o/ [07:33] *\o/* [07:33] Just painting and tiling left to do now \o/ (and skirting board and archetraves) [07:36] daubers: Hope its not like road resurfacing, as in resurface a road, the have to dig/put holes to run a cable/pipe afterwards [07:52] Morning all [08:12] hello all [08:28] DJones: Cables are already in \o/ [08:29] tested? [08:29] diplo: Yup [08:29] heh [08:32] Got cat 6a running through the house now :) [08:33] Borrowed from work ? [08:33] Bought through work [08:33] Was excess from a 1k reel [08:34] Interesting comparison for anybody looking at mobile internet http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/21/review_uk_carriers_network_vs_network/ [08:36] Good morning peeps :) [08:36] How can I send a ctrl-c to a terminal without pressing ctrl-c? [08:36] I had a few boxes of 315mtr boxes myself daubers [08:36] Still not got round to properly wiring [08:38] :) I need to wire in the patch panel still... but need to put a socket in the comms cabinet first [08:38] under linux bigcalm ? [08:38] diplo: it's a Debian server that isn't responding to ctrl-c [08:39] kill -INT [08:39] Humm [08:39] or kill -2 [08:40] Ok. I still need to work out how to get ctrl-c working [08:40] what's the deal with zombies? [08:41] Lack of brains apparently [08:41] serverfault says they use no resources [08:41] i know for a fact this is not true [08:41] because i'm still weekly killing hundreds of them on a server [08:42] if i don't, oomkiller comes out to play [08:48] Read that as 'weakly' [08:50] [1899841.373219] mysqld invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0 [08:50] [1899841.383262] Killed process 32246 (python) [08:52] same thing every tme [08:52] [1968900.628640] npviewer.bin[1754]: segfault at f5a6d0b4 ip 00000000f620a943 sp 00000000ffe38730 error 4 in libflashplayer.so[f5e42000+b5f000] [08:52] every time that happens it creates a zombie [08:56] Oh my. Taken from a client's email sig: Senior Computer Operator [08:56] lol [08:57] is that like "elderly drivers" [08:58] bigcalm: hahaha [08:58] bigcalm: Reply and say what does your job title involve ? [08:58] :) [08:58] Sounds like somebody who does open heart surgery on a computer [08:59] His name Steve Camplin ? [08:59] Found someones Linkedin profile with the same title [09:00] But that was '92 to '95 [09:00] Na, a lass is our account manager at PayPoint [09:01] diplo: How about these for strange job titles http://www.recruitment-views.com/the-ten-strangest-job-titles-on-linkedin/1893 [09:01] heh [09:01] lots of people spell it "senor" by accident [09:01] which is just comical [09:02] 4. Wizard of Light Bulb Moments [09:02] Top score tbh [09:19] microsoft launched a social network [09:20] i don't predict this turning out well [09:20] is it called "live" perchance? [09:21] no it's called so.cl [09:21] oh dear [09:21] which i assume is pronounced "sockel" [09:21] because how else would you pronounce it? [09:21] "social" I suspect ;) [09:21] haha, you can sign in with facebook [09:21] no, i telling you, it rhymes with the way a 3 year old says "bottle" [09:22] bo ul [09:23] * diplo predicts flop [09:25] I've just installed 10.04 in a vm and it's fucking snappy [09:25] I'm half tempted to install it to disk and use that instead of 12.04 [09:25] !ohmy | SuperMatt [09:25] SuperMatt: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:25] oh, sorry. I swore again [09:25] SuperMatt: So am I [09:25] sorry sorry [09:26] I think I prefer ambiance in 10.04, the window buttons were much nicer [09:27] I wish windows wouldn't move down and to the right each time I left click on them [09:27] seems to be just the top bar [09:28] https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/82D6UjGZh6L [09:29] that's pretty sweek [09:30] *sweet [09:30] i'm going to tweak the theme a bit to fix the excessively dark menu bar. but first i need to finish this website that i've been procrastinating on for the past month [09:31] possibly try to hack back in the old system menu [09:36] interesting. the windows signature page requires silverlight for the demo video, but the so.cl demo video is html5... [10:00] morning all [10:01] morning davmor2 [10:06] good morning everyone. [10:09] morning MooDoo [10:09] czajkowski: PROD!!!!! [10:11] davmor2: herrro [10:12] czajkowski: how was you're lazy weekend :D === head_v is now known as head_victim === ivanka1 is now known as ivanka [11:06] Rather quiet here again today [11:06] It's odd feeling that people actually have work to do ?!? [11:06] :) [11:07] i've written 10 lines of code for that website so i guess now i can go back to procrastinating [11:09] I really must get on with doing some work with Joomla tnoight [11:09] Rather than watching telly all night [11:23] Since yesterday strange things are happening with workspaces. All of a sudden things like replying to a mail is opening a window in another space, instead of the one evolution is in (and always has been in) [11:23] anyone got an idea on how to pin some app to a specific space? [11:57] dogmatic69: is your evo window hanging over a workspace boundary when you open a new window? [11:59] popey: evo window? [11:59] evolution [12:02] oh [12:02] it is just maximised [12:02] dogmatic69: what screen are you on when you open the window and how are you opening it? [12:03] what screen? [12:03] clicking 'reply' opens the window [12:04] I have 2x workspaces [ | x ][ y | ] evolution is in x, reply opens in y [12:04] dual monitor, 2x workspaces [12:05] dogmatic69: no idea then I'm afraid [12:06] i thought it was thunderbird now? [12:07] dogmatic69: i get that if the main window overhangs the next workspace/screen [12:07] popey: I could understand that if the window was not maxed. Maybe there is a bug in unity or something? [12:08] perhaps [12:08] def not about overhang. Just made the window 400x400 in the centre and the same thing [12:09] also I have just noticed. I have [ X | ] and click the icon to make the window smaller (not full size) and it goes to [ | x ] [12:09] things are just seeming very random [12:13] dogmatic69: have you been playing with that system if so I suggest you write a bug with exactly what you've done to it, it sounds like the mods may have triggered something in those settings has triggered an underlying bug maybe (corner case bug) [12:15] davmor2: I only installed the unity config app and changed to 2 workspaces instead of 4 [12:17] dogmatic69: indeed but it could be the way that the tool set this that is triggering an issue I don't see it here with any app of gnome (please note I am not using evolution) [12:17] ye, I have not noticed with any other app [12:23] bug 874146 [12:23] Launchpad bug 874146 in compiz (Ubuntu) "New windows open on the wrong monitor" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874146 [12:25] popey: exactly \o/ [12:40] Heh, nice registration for a plumbers http://goo.gl/r8JgK [12:49] dogmatic69: I've notice that if you have unbalanced screen sizes and an app that is slightly bigger than the smaller one, if you drag it to the smallest screen and hit maximise it will jump to the larger monitor [12:51] daubers: they are both 23" 1980ish x whatever. also using twin view so its 'one screen' [12:52] dogmatic69: Ah :) Mine is my littl 14" laptop connected to a 21" monitor [12:53] that bug popey dug up is pretty much identical. and 33 users affected [12:59] bah.. nothing beats dealing with 'IT' people [13:01] dogmatic69: Having fnu? [13:01] so much... [13:02] daubers: "head of it" send file.7z with link to download 7zip. "Why do I need that, I already have a program for zip files" [13:02] o.o [13:03] dogmatic69: Nice :) [13:04] then setup uniserver (wamp) to run a site. same "head of IT" basically said, I cant view it over the network when I disconnect the network cable [13:05] dogmatic69: I had to IT Managers like that at the last place I worked. [13:05] two* [13:07] diplo: If I actually working with someone like that it would end up outside in the park with boxing gloves [13:08] wouldn't you want it to be bare fists, to cause them some damage? [13:08] that or a bat [13:08] yeh :) [13:09] even my mother knows what 7zip is [13:09] I ended up leaving dogmatic69 [13:09] it came after 6zip? [13:09] Company has recently gone under [13:09] diplo: don't blame you. [13:09] hamitron: ye, its the new version [13:09] cant wait for 8zip, that is going to be good... [13:10] \o/ oggcampl hotel booking altered [13:10] diplo: is it just me, or do these 'IT people' always seem to some how pull the wool over the eyes of boss/ceo/almost everyone in the office that they are some kind of computing god? [13:10] Missus fancies a weekend away [13:11] Defo, they can talk the talk because they are not techie I guess [13:11] Guy who is running IT where I worked now, sort of knows phone systems [13:11] And that's it, he has been there just shy of 2 years [13:11] :D [13:11] And still hasn't asked for one password for ANY of about 70 physical servers [13:12] diplo, at least it means it continue to run? ;) [13:12] continues* [13:12] I would not consider myself any sort of network/admin/database/ specialist. but so long as there is a connection and I can view google.com I can figure it out [13:12] why you sending 7zip files? 7zip totally sucks [13:12] ali1234: ye, files 40% smaller than .zip totally suck [13:13] * hamitron tends to just use .zip anyway [13:13] 7zip is lol [13:13] it was 120mb vs 200mb. [13:14] ali1234, what you use? .xz? [13:14] the linux command line implementation deletes the input archive when unpacking because it wants to be like gunzip [13:14] for a small file I would use .zip, unless its *nix then .gz [13:14] but it isn't because gzip actually handles streams [13:14] and also gzip has a way to override the deletion behaviour - 7zip does not [13:15] for doing what i want 7zip to do, that is, compress a file. it is very far away from sucking [13:15] gord: exactly [13:15] if you want to compress a file, and you don't want to keep a copy of the archive when decompressing, then it can just about handle that [13:17] so what would you use ali1234? [13:17] zip or gzip depending on audience [13:17] not bzip? [13:17] but the main reason i use archivers is because i want to keep multiple files together with permissions [13:18] something that 7zip totally sucks at... zip too, but i only use zip if i'm sending stuff to windows users [13:18] yeh, that is main reason I often use zip [13:18] too lazy to worry about different platforms [13:18] most people don't even do that [13:18] gmail's "download all attachments as a zip file" is a life saver [13:19] ali1234: I am not sure about the archive stuff you are talking about. I would think it is safe to say that 99% of people just want xyz file to be smaller. [13:19] when someone emails me 50 jpegs attached to one email [13:19] dogmatic69: no, you're totally wrong, 99% of people just want to make 50 files into 1 file and do not car if there is zero compression [13:19] so tar? ;) [13:19] basically yes [13:20] sometimes i don't even bother to gzip it [13:21] gzip I find to be ok for compression, but without major overhead [13:21] so i tend to use that [13:21] also, because j is not a char I like typing [13:23] i just had sandwiches with precooked bacon for lunch [13:23] it was like a ready made supermarket sandwich except i had to make it myself [13:25] :D [13:26] * hamitron had cheese and cucumber sandwich [13:31] should be cucumber and lettuce [13:31] washed down with some tea :D [13:31] I had tea [13:31] so nearly there [13:31] ;) [13:32] ubuntu will run on comps with 256MB memory? [13:32] no, but it will walk [13:32] haha [13:32] possibly jog slowly [13:32] so what about 512MB? [13:32] server will [13:33] ubuntu will run on a machine with 64mb if you give it enough swap [13:33] http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=976 [13:33] it will take several hours to boot though [13:33] desktop version says 256MB [13:33] so wondering if I should try it on my latpop [13:33] yeah, less than that and the installer complains about it [13:34] you can install it and then take memory away [13:34] well [13:35] not if you use debootstrap [13:35] that doesn't care. at all. [13:35] I'm thinking more about the end experience [13:35] ;) [13:35] you won't enjoy it [13:35] don't bother with less than 2GB on 32bit or 4GB on 64bit [13:35] fitting lots of ram to a laptop is probably cheaper than you might expect [13:36] laptop is maxed out at 512MB [13:36] sadly [13:36] :/ [13:36] laptops are silly [13:36] what laptop? [13:36] dell inspiron 8100 [13:36] but I am enjoying ubuntu 12.04 in vmware, with 3GB memory [13:37] :) [13:37] I used to have one of those! [13:37] I got a Latitude C810 too [13:37] with the big yellow pad things [13:38] I got the full range of colours [13:38] ;) [13:38] black, grey, purple, yellow, navy [13:38] yeah, I fitted the yellow ones as I was doing Lotus stuff at the time [13:38] iirc [13:38] :D [13:39] best laptop screen ever, 1600x1200 4:3 aspect ratio [13:39] I'd love to upgrade, but laptops with decent resolution displays cost a fair bit [13:39] aye [13:39] do you know why? [13:39] I've upgraded to a geforce 4 :) [13:39] it's because they're supposed to be portable [13:40] I must say, my laptop would not be so great for a smaller female or something [13:40] if you have to move around a lot [13:40] there is really no point in 1600x1200 unless the display is like 19" [13:40] they so is! [13:41] there* [13:41] ;) [13:41] then you've got a laptop that basically can't be moved from it's desk [13:41] 15" is fine [13:41] :/ [13:41] I wouldn't go bigger though [13:42] no, 15" 1600x1200 is not worth it at all, there's no way you can tell the difference if you are using it normally [13:42] by normally i mean your head is further than one foot away from the screen [13:42] 2 cd drives is nice too [13:43] I find it nice when drawing electronic circuits ali1234 [13:43] ali1234: I've always owned/run laptops with 1920x1080 [13:44] D820 / E range aswell latitudes [13:44] For your experience it may not work, but the last 7-8 years it's what I've had [13:44] And I wouldn't like smaller res [13:44] diplo, is that 17"? [13:46] nah 15 [13:46] I could live with that [13:46] looking at it [13:46] :) [13:46] professional nvidia graphics [13:46] :-o [13:47] ali1234: I had a 15" 1600x1200 laptop for about 10 years, the screen size was worth it for me beause there was enough screen space for all the apps I wanted onscreen and viewable at the same time, yes it was heavy, but it was used every day of taht 10 years & moved around from home to office to clients 5 days a week, teh weight wasn't a noticable concern [13:48] I don't get how anyone can live with anything less than 1024 pixels high :/ [13:48] and widescreens seem to have just kicked that into touch [13:48] I'd still be using it if I could have got a memory & graphics card upgrade for it [13:49] unless you go upper range [13:50] found this with desktop monitors too [13:50] I basically have to go 1920x1200 [13:51] hamitron: It took me a while to get used to a 1600x900 after dropping down from the 1600x1200 [13:51] a struggle with 320mm height limit :/ [13:52] ah yeh, there is 1600x900 [13:52] but still feels like a downgrade [13:52] my CRT does 1280x1024 [13:52] ;) [13:52] 15" 1600x1200 is 133dpi, which is basically higher than anything but an iphone 4 [13:53] ali1234, and you are saying more is not better? [13:53] yes [13:53] that is like saying we can all use atoms instead of core i [13:53] er, no [13:53] we could.... but not as good for some things [13:54] i'm saying you can't tell the difference [13:55] the only reason you can tell is because the UI is all smaller if you use windows [13:55] my sisters laptop is 1280x768..... looks a lot nicer than mine for colours, but not as detailed [13:55] if you want to cram more on the screen just make the font smaller and it will work fine on a 1280x1024 @ 15" [13:56] so better for media [13:56] yeh, I could live with 1280x1024, agreed [13:56] but 1280x768..... [13:57] My point wasn't about the dpi, it was purely that everything would fit nicely on screen at a readable resolution and without individual windows being eitehr too small or needing to be scrolled [13:57] as i said, just change the font size [13:57] on a serious note, I can't work out how to change all these settings on ubuntu 12.04 is unity [13:58] ;) [13:58] 1600x1200 15" is *much* too small to be readable [13:58] with unity [13:58] ali1234, make the fonts bigger? ;D [13:58] hamitron: you have to install gnome-tweak-tool [13:59] ah, I remember now [13:59] you told me last time [13:59] but I was having stability issues [13:59] :/ [13:59] hamitron: a normal person would make the fonts bigger on a 15" 1600x1200 yes. or more likely they'd just change the resolution to 800x600 and then wonder why it looks really blurry [13:59] actually that would not look blurry because /2 [14:00] but you know what i mean. i;m sure you've seen people doing that [14:00] yeh [14:00] :) [14:00] but I still think a higher resolution gives you more detail and options [14:00] you can move your face closer to see more detail [14:01] I've really liked it when using CAD software, and a bit of blender [14:01] get a 42" TV [14:01] sit 2 feet away from it [14:02] but at end of the day, phones have got more dpi over the years [14:02] so why can't laptops? [14:02] we are actually reducing the spec, and lowering the price [14:03] as i said, 133dpi is more than anything other than an iphone 4, which has a stupidly high res [14:03] what does android run at? [14:03] 800x480? [14:03] yeah [14:04] that is a higher dpi than my laptop then [14:04] hamitron: Are still using the old Dell, mine was 10 years old when it retired [14:04] pretty sure the ps vita is much higher than 133 dpi [14:04] yeah, typical android is about 200dpi [14:04] DJones, my geforce 2 died :/ [14:04] iphone 4 is like 360dpi [14:04] or 4s or whatever [14:05] hamitron: Shame, mine is still working, but not been used for about a year [14:05] DJones, not a shame.... good excuse to upgrade to a geforce 4 ;) [14:05] Heh [14:06] i can't see individual pixels on my phone [14:06] ali1234: As i said I ran 1920 on my 15" screen D820 [14:06] I bought a latitude c810 to test too [14:06] It was fine for work, and is still fine for home. [14:06] that is my dedicated scalextric comp now [14:07] My eyesight is perfectly happy with it, others do complain admittedly, but it's what I work with daily and prefer it. [14:07] diplo: why wouldn't it be fine? the point is that 1280x1024 would also have been fine for work and home, and cost a lot less [14:07] tbh ali1234, you can see the dots on a 1280x1024 [14:07] 1600x1200 makes them smaller [14:07] :)) [14:07] It's not my money, and I don't agree with you. But also not going to argue :) [14:08] if it's 17" and you are under 1 foot away, then yes, you can see the dots, just about [14:08] both are "fine" ofc [14:08] but is 1280x768 fine? [14:08] :/ [14:08] if the screen is 10"? yes, it's absolutely fine [14:09] and 15"? [14:09] it's borderline [14:09] agree [14:09] At the end of the day, its what works for you [14:10] if I have to use 1280x768, I will consider one of them 12.1" netbooks [14:10] indeed [14:10] Pentium 3 is showing its age now though :/ [14:11] any idea how to stop windows moving down and to the right when I left click on the top bar? [14:11] this is just frustrating now [14:12] use metacity [14:13] I may as well just install what I want, than use the default install.... at this rate [14:13] ;D [14:13] yes [14:13] "use metacity" isn't a very useful answer, since that also means "don't use unity at all" [14:14] kind of defeats the purpose of a preconfigured distribution but there you go [14:14] since unity is a plugin for compiz [14:14] yes, i know [14:14] but the bugs are in compiz, not unity [14:14] so is it a bug that will be fixed later? [14:14] so merely getting rid of unity isn't enough [14:15] hamitron, i don't see the issue you describe. [14:15] left click on the bar at the top of a window [14:15] and it moves down and right slightly [14:15] on each click [14:16] rice milk is surprisingly nice [14:16] hmm, nope [14:16] Laney, it's not milk if it's not squeezed from a bovine animal! it's just an impostor! [14:16] directhex, really? [14:17] hamitron, really. i'm wondering how sensitive your mouse is, e.g. if you're trying to click, but are dragging slightly [14:17] make a video [14:17] have you reported it btw? [14:18] I haven't [14:18] or even looked on launchpad? [14:18] I wasn't sure if I was just newbing it [14:18] if you need to ask... [14:18] there was a bug some time back where windows would creep cross the screen [14:18]