| rick_h_ | morning, ugh I forgot my headphones at the coffee shop this morning | 11:45 |
|---|---|---|
| brousch | bah, just use the speakers | 11:48 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 11:49 |
| shakes808 | Good morning all | 12:09 |
| brousch | yes | 12:11 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, recovery monday in effect | 12:21 |
| brousch | ah, crap. missed the eclipse last night | 12:25 |
| shakes808 | I didn't even know one was happening, I wish I could have seen it as well. | 12:26 |
| rick_h_ | man, it was flooding my twitter feed | 12:27 |
| shakes808 | lol I seen some pretty cool pics from people around G+ | 12:27 |
| shakes808 | But thought those were the works of photoshop. Now knowing that those were real, it makes them all that more beautiful. There were some talented pictures. | 12:28 |
| brousch | has anyone used coffeescript? | 12:34 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: so I've tinkered, I've got the "little book on coffeescript" we talked about it on Lococast | 12:34 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: what's the question? or you just curious if any of us have caved? | 12:35 |
| brousch | next grwebdev will be coffeescript. i thought someone else was running it, but i think now i will be | 12:35 |
| brousch | need to do a little boning up | 12:35 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: gotcha | 12:36 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, I'd suggest checking out that little book of coffescript | 12:37 |
| rick_h_ | I read through most of it on the plane out to pycon and it goes pretty quick while still being good info | 12:37 |
| snap-l | brousch: Unless you were on the west coast, you weren't likely to see anything for the eclipse | 12:46 |
| brousch | someone mentioned seeing it from detroit | 12:48 |
| brousch | maybe they meant over a webcam or something | 12:48 |
| brousch | pragmatic programmer has a user group program http://pragprog.com/reviewers | 12:50 |
| shakes808 | http://www.space.com/15780-photos-annular-solar-eclipse-may20-2012.html | 12:51 |
| brousch | http://jonlax.com/ | 13:29 |
| snap-l | JoDee was watching the eclipse via ustream | 13:29 |
| snap-l | http://www.detroitnet.org/index.php/3614/okay-taliban-now-its-personal/ | 15:10 |
| snap-l | Also, song of the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHparblxwzE | 15:14 |
| greg-g | snap-l: yes. sad day. | 15:15 |
| snap-l | Going to be another one of those years where we lose too many musicians | 15:17 |
| snap-l | Whiney Houston, Robin Gibb, Adamn Yauch | 15:18 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: uhhhh http://identi.ca/notice/93872762 ;) | 15:36 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: yea, guess I'm on the way out :P | 15:36 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: so I hope the argument there is that "can't work on your codebase and the coding guidelines you've chosen because they're wrong to him" | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: vs "if your dev wants to keep thigns at some stupid code guideline...fire them!" | 15:37 |
| greg-g | right | 15:38 |
| rick_h_ | but I'm quickly reaching the point in life where "your boss doesn't care about you caring about code quality...then quit!" | 15:38 |
| greg-g | heh, fair | 15:39 |
| snap-l | http://identi.ca/conversation/93490085#notice-93873642 | 15:42 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:43 |
| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/tx5qb/how_my_browser_looks_im_still_parsecs_apart_to/ | 16:38 |
| snap-l | Thank you, Ubuntu. | 16:39 |
| greg-g | snap-l: oh arch :) | 17:00 |
| snap-l | That's the great thing about Ubuntu: less time spent configuring hardware so you can spend more time bitching about how much Ubuntu sucks online | 17:03 |
| brousch | they have moved the complaints from hardware not working to unity being annoying | 17:04 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yep | 17:04 |
| snap-l | You take the good, you take the bad | 17:04 |
| snap-l | you take them both, and there you have | 17:05 |
| snap-l | the FOSS of life | 17:05 |
| snap-l | the FOSS of life | 17:05 |
| brousch | i did not watch that show | 17:05 |
| snap-l | I watched it from time to time | 17:06 |
| snap-l | JoDee likes it way more than I do | 17:06 |
| brousch | What's wrong with this picture? http://pydanny.com/may-12th-2012-la-open-source-recap.html | 17:57 |
| snap-l | brousch: Not a damn thing. :) | 17:58 |
| brousch | fanboy! | 17:58 |
| snap-l | brousch: Oh, wait, I know... there's a thinkpad or two in the back row | 17:59 |
| Milyardo | That coffee isn't from Starbucks | 18:00 |
| greg-g | I don't see enough black rimmed glasses | 18:00 |
| shakes808 | all the Apple laptops? | 18:03 |
| brousch | shakes808 wins the cookie! | 18:04 |
| shakes808 | YAY! I am fat, I like cookies :D | 18:04 |
| rick_h_ | that pic was from CA right? | 18:04 |
| rick_h_ | I heard they give them away for free out there | 18:04 |
| rick_h_ | or make you buy one when you move, I can't recall which | 18:05 |
| snap-l | It's part of the reeducation program | 18:05 |
| snap-l | You get a Prius and an Apple laptop, and a 1 week trial to Whole Foods | 18:06 |
| shakes808 | If they give them away, I am all down for it, give me the big PRO laptop. :D | 18:06 |
| shakes808 | HA HA | 18:06 |
| snap-l | They tried something similar in Ann Arbor | 18:06 |
| shakes808 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpC2b_vL8A | 18:07 |
| greg-g | I turned down my macbook that was handed to me at the border. I gave them a GNU sticker instead. And kissed him on his cheek. I think I sold him on it. | 18:07 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 18:08 |
| shakes808 | HA HA greg-g! Did he blush? | 18:08 |
| greg-g | we don't blush in SF from a simple kiss on the cheek. | 18:08 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I think the reason for the pause was that wasn't his cheek | 18:09 |
| shakes808 | HA HA | 18:09 |
| greg-g | which cheek? | 18:09 |
| snap-l | hard to tell under those beards. | 18:09 |
| * greg-g picks out a hair from between his teeth | 18:09 | |
| shakes808 | eeeewwww | 18:09 |
| snap-l | I'll bet that busker never does a handstand again | 18:10 |
| greg-g | btw, I won the "... in bed" competition at the chinese restaurant this weekend | 18:10 |
| greg-g | "Keep your nose to the grindstone." | 18:10 |
| shakes808 | HA HA | 18:11 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I don't get it. | 18:11 |
| snap-l | ;) | 18:11 |
| shakes808 | greg-g: If your nose is being ground down, someone needs to shave. | 18:11 |
| shakes808 | ;) | 18:11 |
| greg-g | I think I have successfully derailed the channel for the day, I shall go back to my real work now | 18:12 |
| brousch | wow | 18:12 |
| snap-l | brousch: You started it | 18:13 |
| greg-g | it's true. | 18:13 |
| brousch | it went places i had never dreamed it would | 18:13 |
| greg-g | your dreams wouldn't even be PG here in SF, brousch. | 18:13 |
| snap-l | brousch: Oh the places your joke will go | 18:13 |
| brousch | it wasn't even a joke! | 18:18 |
| snap-l | Well I kissed a man in Reno, just to watch him cry. When I gave him that GNU sticker, I bade him goodbye. | 18:19 |
| snap-l | greg-g MacOS prison blues ^^ | 18:20 |
| greg-g | snap-l: :) | 18:22 |
| waldo323_ | is that why so many jailbrake? | 18:22 |
| rick_h_ | #$@#$#@ Django...that is all | 18:22 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: That good, eh? | 18:23 |
| brousch | i can't seem to translate #$@#$#@ into a real word, so I'll assume you mean "love 4 ever" | 18:23 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: I will not violate the CoC...I will not.... | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | so yea, whatever that translates to :P | 18:24 |
| brousch | what'd it do to you this time? | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | the stupid dev server sucks balls, the serialization is a pita, and the stupid decisions on how to load config files is just a pita | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | I'm freaking hacking config in tests so that I can actually not run something in production but test it | 18:25 |
| brousch | just have a config for testing | 18:27 |
| rick_h_ | right, so the 'django' way is to change config based on the debug flag | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | but tests run with the debug flag always set to false | 18:29 |
| brousch | django-admin.py runserver --settings=mysite.settings | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | you don't runserver with tests :P | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | and their stupid dev server doesn't support multiple workers, writing a pidfile, and here I am trying to find some way to killall any running django (with no success) | 18:30 |
| brousch | you could run a real server, like gunicorn | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but all the django people freak out "but but the django dev server is the way to go, we shouldn't need to run a 'real' server | 18:39 |
| brousch | i haven't heard that | 18:39 |
| brousch | one of the big complaints i hear is the dev server sucks | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | so in reading my reply, the issue seems to be "if we're going to use a real server let's just use apache since that's productino" | 18:41 |
| rick_h_ | but then you lose pdb'ing ability | 18:41 |
| rick_h_ | so debugging suffers | 18:41 |
| rick_h_ | I'll have to demo/educate/etc just annoyed that the default things in django are having me fight django vs getting anything done | 18:42 |
| * rick_h_ rants...rants... wheeee | 18:42 | |
| brousch | one nice thing about django is that you're generally not trailblazing. what you are trying to do has been done before. | 18:45 |
| brousch | yet you seem to be hitting trailblazing problems | 18:45 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but then you hit the opinion enforcement issues: https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/4996 | 18:45 |
| rick_h_ | http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201103/quick_and_dirty_multithreaded_django_dev_server.html | 18:45 |
| brousch | heh | 18:47 |
| Blazeix | bah, this returns two columns, with FooBaz's values aliased to FooFoo: http://vpaste.net/JDxER | 18:52 |
| Blazeix | kind of obvious in that example, but less obvious when you have 10 columns, and the columns in question are bit columns | 18:52 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | rough day Blazeix | 18:54 |
| Blazeix | yeah, i was at the point where i was saying "ok, either i'm insane or i found a bug in sql..." | 19:01 |
| greg-g | nixternal: hey man, do you live right around Hot Doug's? | 22:02 |
| greg-g | nixternal: it was a cramped trip: in Thursday night and out saturday morning, with work stuff all friday | 22:02 |
| greg-g | (and dinner the night before with work peeps, and then dinner friday night with some OSI peeps) | 22:03 |
| * snap-l got a Squeezebox Touch loaner for my article | 22:46 | |
| snap-l | Have to say, it's a pretty nice little unit | 22:47 |
| snap-l | though I had to force a firmware upgrade on it so it wouldn't hang while trying to get a hold of mysqueezebox.com | 22:47 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: sweet! | 23:35 |
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