[11:45] <rick_h_> morning, ugh I forgot my headphones at the coffee shop this morning
[11:48] <brousch> bah, just use the speakers
[11:49] <rick_h_> hah
[12:09] <shakes808> Good morning all
[12:11] <brousch> yes
[12:21] <rick_h_> ugh, recovery monday in effect
[12:25] <brousch> ah, crap. missed the eclipse last night
[12:26] <shakes808> I didn't even know one was happening, I wish I could have seen it as well.
[12:27] <rick_h_> man, it was flooding my twitter feed
[12:27] <shakes808> lol I seen some pretty cool pics from people around G+
[12:28] <shakes808> But thought those were the works of photoshop. Now knowing that those were real, it makes them all that more beautiful. There were some talented pictures.
[12:34] <brousch> has anyone used coffeescript?
[12:34] <rick_h_> brousch: so I've tinkered, I've got the "little book on coffeescript" we talked about it on Lococast
[12:35] <rick_h_> brousch: what's the question? or you just curious if any of us have caved?
[12:35] <brousch> next grwebdev will be coffeescript. i thought someone else was running it, but i think now i will be
[12:35] <brousch> need to do a little boning up
[12:36] <rick_h_> brousch: gotcha
[12:37] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I'd suggest checking out that little book of coffescript
[12:37] <rick_h_> I read through most of it on the plane out to pycon and it goes pretty quick while still being good info
[12:46] <snap-l> brousch: Unless you were on the west coast, you weren't likely to see anything for the eclipse
[12:48] <brousch> someone mentioned seeing it from detroit
[12:48] <brousch> maybe they meant over a webcam or something
[12:50] <brousch> pragmatic programmer has a user group program http://pragprog.com/reviewers
[12:51] <shakes808> http://www.space.com/15780-photos-annular-solar-eclipse-may20-2012.html
[13:29] <brousch> http://jonlax.com/
[13:29] <snap-l> JoDee was watching the eclipse via ustream
[15:10] <snap-l> http://www.detroitnet.org/index.php/3614/okay-taliban-now-its-personal/
[15:14] <snap-l> Also, song of the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHparblxwzE
[15:15] <greg-g> snap-l: yes. sad day.
[15:17] <snap-l> Going to be another one of those years where we lose too many musicians
[15:18] <snap-l> Whiney Houston, Robin Gibb, Adamn Yauch
[15:36] <greg-g> rick_h_: uhhhh http://identi.ca/notice/93872762 ;)
[15:36] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, guess I'm on the way out :P
[15:37] <rick_h_> greg-g: so I hope the argument there is that "can't work on your codebase and the coding guidelines you've chosen because they're wrong to him"
[15:37] <rick_h_> greg-g: vs "if your dev wants to keep thigns at some stupid code guideline...fire them!"
[15:38] <greg-g> right
[15:38] <rick_h_> but I'm quickly reaching the point in life where "your boss doesn't care about you caring about code quality...then quit!"
[15:39] <greg-g> heh, fair
[15:42] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/conversation/93490085#notice-93873642
[15:43] <rick_h_> lol
[16:38] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/tx5qb/how_my_browser_looks_im_still_parsecs_apart_to/
[16:39] <snap-l> Thank you, Ubuntu.
[17:00] <greg-g> snap-l: oh arch :)
[17:03] <snap-l> That's the great thing about Ubuntu: less time spent configuring hardware so you can spend more time bitching about how much Ubuntu sucks online
[17:04] <brousch> they have moved the complaints from hardware not working to unity being annoying
[17:04] <snap-l> brousch: Yep
[17:04] <snap-l> You take the good, you take the bad
[17:05] <snap-l> you take them both, and there you have
[17:05] <snap-l> the FOSS of life
[17:05] <snap-l> the FOSS of life
[17:05] <brousch> i did not watch that show
[17:06] <snap-l> I watched it from time to time
[17:06] <snap-l> JoDee likes it way more than I do
[17:57] <brousch> What's wrong with this picture? http://pydanny.com/may-12th-2012-la-open-source-recap.html
[17:58] <snap-l> brousch: Not a damn thing. :)
[17:58] <brousch> fanboy!
[17:59] <snap-l> brousch: Oh, wait, I know... there's a thinkpad or two in the back row
[18:00] <Milyardo> That coffee isn't from Starbucks
[18:00] <greg-g> I don't see enough black rimmed glasses
[18:03] <shakes808> all the Apple laptops?
[18:04] <brousch> shakes808 wins the cookie!
[18:04] <shakes808> YAY! I am fat, I like cookies :D
[18:04] <rick_h_> that pic was from CA right?
[18:04] <rick_h_> I heard they give them away for free out there
[18:05] <rick_h_> or make you buy one when you move, I can't recall which
[18:05] <snap-l> It's part of the reeducation program
[18:06] <snap-l> You get a Prius and an Apple laptop, and a 1 week trial to Whole Foods
[18:06] <shakes808> If they give them away, I am all down for it, give me the big PRO laptop. :D
[18:06] <shakes808> HA HA
[18:06] <snap-l> They tried something similar in Ann Arbor
[18:07] <shakes808> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpC2b_vL8A
[18:07] <greg-g> I turned down my macbook that was handed to me at the border. I gave them a GNU sticker instead. And kissed him on his cheek. I think I sold him on it.
[18:08] <rick_h_> lol
[18:08] <shakes808> HA HA greg-g! Did he blush?
[18:08] <greg-g> we don't blush in SF from a simple kiss on the cheek.
[18:09] <snap-l> greg-g: I think the reason for the pause was that wasn't his cheek
[18:09] <shakes808> HA HA
[18:09] <greg-g> which cheek?
[18:09] <snap-l> hard to tell under those beards.
[18:09]  * greg-g picks out a hair from between his teeth
[18:09] <shakes808> eeeewwww
[18:10] <snap-l> I'll bet that busker never does a handstand again
[18:10] <greg-g> btw, I won the "... in bed" competition at the chinese restaurant this weekend
[18:10] <greg-g> "Keep your nose to the grindstone."
[18:11] <shakes808> HA HA
[18:11] <snap-l> greg-g: I don't get it.
[18:11] <snap-l> ;)
[18:11] <shakes808> greg-g: If your nose is being ground down, someone needs to shave.
[18:11] <shakes808> ;)
[18:12] <greg-g> I think I have successfully derailed the channel for the day, I shall go back to my real work now
[18:12] <brousch> wow
[18:13] <snap-l> brousch: You started it
[18:13] <greg-g> it's true.
[18:13] <brousch> it went places i had never dreamed it would
[18:13] <greg-g> your dreams wouldn't even be PG here in SF, brousch.
[18:13] <snap-l> brousch: Oh the places your joke will go
[18:18] <brousch> it wasn't even a joke!
[18:19] <snap-l> Well I kissed a man in Reno, just to watch him cry. When I gave him that GNU sticker, I bade him goodbye.
[18:20] <snap-l> greg-g MacOS prison blues ^^
[18:22] <greg-g> snap-l: :)
[18:22] <waldo323_> is that why so many jailbrake?
[18:22] <rick_h_> #$@#$#@ Django...that is all
[18:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: That good, eh?
[18:23] <brousch> i can't seem to translate #$@#$#@ into a real word, so I'll assume you mean "love 4 ever"
[18:24] <rick_h_> brousch: I will not violate the CoC...I will not....
[18:24] <rick_h_> so yea, whatever that translates to :P
[18:25] <brousch> what'd it do to you this time?
[18:25] <rick_h_> the stupid dev server sucks balls, the serialization is a pita, and the stupid decisions on how to load config files is just a pita
[18:25] <rick_h_> I'm freaking hacking config in tests so that I can actually not run something in production but test it
[18:27] <brousch> just have a config for testing
[18:29] <rick_h_> right, so the 'django' way is to change config based on the debug flag
[18:29] <rick_h_> but tests run with the debug flag always set to false
[18:29] <brousch> django-admin.py runserver --settings=mysite.settings
[18:29] <rick_h_> you don't runserver with tests :P
[18:30] <rick_h_> and their stupid dev server doesn't support multiple workers, writing a pidfile, and here I am trying to find some way to killall any running django (with no success)
[18:38] <brousch> you could run a real server, like gunicorn
[18:39] <rick_h_> yea, but all the django people freak out "but but the django dev server is the way to go, we shouldn't need to run a 'real' server
[18:39] <brousch> i haven't heard that
[18:39] <brousch> one of the big complaints i hear is the dev server sucks
[18:41] <rick_h_> so in reading my reply, the issue seems to be "if we're going to use a real server let's just use apache since that's productino"
[18:41] <rick_h_> but then you lose pdb'ing ability
[18:41] <rick_h_> so debugging suffers
[18:42] <rick_h_> I'll have to demo/educate/etc just annoyed that the default things in django are having me fight django vs getting anything done
[18:42]  * rick_h_ rants...rants... wheeee
[18:45] <brousch> one nice thing about django is that you're generally not trailblazing. what you are trying to do has been done before.
[18:45] <brousch> yet you seem to be hitting trailblazing problems
[18:45] <rick_h_> yea, but then you hit the opinion enforcement issues: https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/4996
[18:45] <rick_h_> http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201103/quick_and_dirty_multithreaded_django_dev_server.html
[18:47] <brousch> heh
[18:52] <Blazeix> bah, this returns two columns, with FooBaz's values aliased to FooFoo: http://vpaste.net/JDxER
[18:52] <Blazeix> kind of obvious in that example, but less obvious when you have 10 columns, and the columns in question are bit columns
[18:54] <rick_h_> hah
[18:54] <rick_h_> rough day Blazeix
[19:01] <Blazeix> yeah, i was at the point where i was saying "ok, either i'm insane or i found a bug in sql..."
[22:02] <greg-g> nixternal: hey man, do you live right around Hot Doug's?
[22:02] <greg-g> nixternal: it was a cramped trip: in Thursday night and out saturday morning, with work stuff all friday
[22:03] <greg-g> (and dinner the night before with work peeps, and then dinner friday night with some OSI peeps)
[22:46]  * snap-l got a Squeezebox Touch loaner for my article
[22:47] <snap-l> Have to say, it's a pretty nice little unit
[22:47] <snap-l> though I had to force a firmware upgrade on it so it wouldn't hang while trying to get a hold of mysqueezebox.com
[23:35] <rick_h_> snap-l: sweet!