[11:45] morning, ugh I forgot my headphones at the coffee shop this morning [11:48] bah, just use the speakers [11:49] hah [12:09] Good morning all [12:11] yes [12:21] ugh, recovery monday in effect [12:25] ah, crap. missed the eclipse last night [12:26] I didn't even know one was happening, I wish I could have seen it as well. [12:27] man, it was flooding my twitter feed [12:27] lol I seen some pretty cool pics from people around G+ [12:28] But thought those were the works of photoshop. Now knowing that those were real, it makes them all that more beautiful. There were some talented pictures. [12:34] has anyone used coffeescript? [12:34] brousch: so I've tinkered, I've got the "little book on coffeescript" we talked about it on Lococast [12:35] brousch: what's the question? or you just curious if any of us have caved? [12:35] next grwebdev will be coffeescript. i thought someone else was running it, but i think now i will be [12:35] need to do a little boning up [12:36] brousch: gotcha [12:37] brousch: yea, I'd suggest checking out that little book of coffescript [12:37] I read through most of it on the plane out to pycon and it goes pretty quick while still being good info [12:46] brousch: Unless you were on the west coast, you weren't likely to see anything for the eclipse [12:48] someone mentioned seeing it from detroit [12:48] maybe they meant over a webcam or something [12:50] pragmatic programmer has a user group program http://pragprog.com/reviewers [12:51] http://www.space.com/15780-photos-annular-solar-eclipse-may20-2012.html [13:29] http://jonlax.com/ [13:29] JoDee was watching the eclipse via ustream [15:10] http://www.detroitnet.org/index.php/3614/okay-taliban-now-its-personal/ [15:14] Also, song of the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHparblxwzE [15:15] snap-l: yes. sad day. [15:17] Going to be another one of those years where we lose too many musicians [15:18] Whiney Houston, Robin Gibb, Adamn Yauch [15:36] rick_h_: uhhhh http://identi.ca/notice/93872762 ;) [15:36] greg-g: yea, guess I'm on the way out :P [15:37] greg-g: so I hope the argument there is that "can't work on your codebase and the coding guidelines you've chosen because they're wrong to him" [15:37] greg-g: vs "if your dev wants to keep thigns at some stupid code guideline...fire them!" [15:38] right [15:38] but I'm quickly reaching the point in life where "your boss doesn't care about you caring about code quality...then quit!" [15:39] heh, fair [15:42] http://identi.ca/conversation/93490085#notice-93873642 [15:43] lol [16:38] http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/tx5qb/how_my_browser_looks_im_still_parsecs_apart_to/ [16:39] Thank you, Ubuntu. [17:00] snap-l: oh arch :) [17:03] That's the great thing about Ubuntu: less time spent configuring hardware so you can spend more time bitching about how much Ubuntu sucks online [17:04] they have moved the complaints from hardware not working to unity being annoying [17:04] brousch: Yep [17:04] You take the good, you take the bad [17:05] you take them both, and there you have [17:05] the FOSS of life [17:05] the FOSS of life [17:05] i did not watch that show [17:06] I watched it from time to time [17:06] JoDee likes it way more than I do [17:57] What's wrong with this picture? http://pydanny.com/may-12th-2012-la-open-source-recap.html [17:58] brousch: Not a damn thing. :) [17:58] fanboy! [17:59] brousch: Oh, wait, I know... there's a thinkpad or two in the back row [18:00] That coffee isn't from Starbucks [18:00] I don't see enough black rimmed glasses [18:03] all the Apple laptops? [18:04] shakes808 wins the cookie! [18:04] YAY! I am fat, I like cookies :D [18:04] that pic was from CA right? [18:04] I heard they give them away for free out there [18:05] or make you buy one when you move, I can't recall which [18:05] It's part of the reeducation program [18:06] You get a Prius and an Apple laptop, and a 1 week trial to Whole Foods [18:06] If they give them away, I am all down for it, give me the big PRO laptop. :D [18:06] HA HA [18:06] They tried something similar in Ann Arbor [18:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpC2b_vL8A [18:07] I turned down my macbook that was handed to me at the border. I gave them a GNU sticker instead. And kissed him on his cheek. I think I sold him on it. [18:08] lol [18:08] HA HA greg-g! Did he blush? [18:08] we don't blush in SF from a simple kiss on the cheek. [18:09] greg-g: I think the reason for the pause was that wasn't his cheek [18:09] HA HA [18:09] which cheek? [18:09] hard to tell under those beards. [18:09] * greg-g picks out a hair from between his teeth [18:09] eeeewwww [18:10] I'll bet that busker never does a handstand again [18:10] btw, I won the "... in bed" competition at the chinese restaurant this weekend [18:10] "Keep your nose to the grindstone." [18:11] HA HA [18:11] greg-g: I don't get it. [18:11] ;) [18:11] greg-g: If your nose is being ground down, someone needs to shave. [18:11] ;) [18:12] I think I have successfully derailed the channel for the day, I shall go back to my real work now [18:12] wow [18:13] brousch: You started it [18:13] it's true. [18:13] it went places i had never dreamed it would [18:13] your dreams wouldn't even be PG here in SF, brousch. [18:13] brousch: Oh the places your joke will go [18:18] it wasn't even a joke! [18:19] Well I kissed a man in Reno, just to watch him cry. When I gave him that GNU sticker, I bade him goodbye. [18:20] greg-g MacOS prison blues ^^ [18:22] snap-l: :) [18:22] is that why so many jailbrake? [18:22] #$@#$#@ Django...that is all [18:23] rick_h_: That good, eh? [18:23] i can't seem to translate #$@#$#@ into a real word, so I'll assume you mean "love 4 ever" [18:24] brousch: I will not violate the CoC...I will not.... [18:24] so yea, whatever that translates to :P [18:25] what'd it do to you this time? [18:25] the stupid dev server sucks balls, the serialization is a pita, and the stupid decisions on how to load config files is just a pita [18:25] I'm freaking hacking config in tests so that I can actually not run something in production but test it [18:27] just have a config for testing [18:29] right, so the 'django' way is to change config based on the debug flag [18:29] but tests run with the debug flag always set to false [18:29] django-admin.py runserver --settings=mysite.settings [18:29] you don't runserver with tests :P [18:30] and their stupid dev server doesn't support multiple workers, writing a pidfile, and here I am trying to find some way to killall any running django (with no success) [18:38] you could run a real server, like gunicorn [18:39] yea, but all the django people freak out "but but the django dev server is the way to go, we shouldn't need to run a 'real' server [18:39] i haven't heard that [18:39] one of the big complaints i hear is the dev server sucks [18:41] so in reading my reply, the issue seems to be "if we're going to use a real server let's just use apache since that's productino" [18:41] but then you lose pdb'ing ability [18:41] so debugging suffers [18:42] I'll have to demo/educate/etc just annoyed that the default things in django are having me fight django vs getting anything done [18:42] * rick_h_ rants...rants... wheeee [18:45] one nice thing about django is that you're generally not trailblazing. what you are trying to do has been done before. [18:45] yet you seem to be hitting trailblazing problems [18:45] yea, but then you hit the opinion enforcement issues: https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/4996 [18:45] http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201103/quick_and_dirty_multithreaded_django_dev_server.html [18:47] heh [18:52] bah, this returns two columns, with FooBaz's values aliased to FooFoo: http://vpaste.net/JDxER [18:52] kind of obvious in that example, but less obvious when you have 10 columns, and the columns in question are bit columns [18:54] hah [18:54] rough day Blazeix [19:01] yeah, i was at the point where i was saying "ok, either i'm insane or i found a bug in sql..." [22:02] nixternal: hey man, do you live right around Hot Doug's? [22:02] nixternal: it was a cramped trip: in Thursday night and out saturday morning, with work stuff all friday [22:03] (and dinner the night before with work peeps, and then dinner friday night with some OSI peeps) [22:46] * snap-l got a Squeezebox Touch loaner for my article [22:47] Have to say, it's a pretty nice little unit [22:47] though I had to force a firmware upgrade on it so it wouldn't hang while trying to get a hold of mysqueezebox.com [23:35] snap-l: sweet!