=== meetingology` is now known as meetingology === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:13] bluesabre_laptop: ping [17:33] bluesabre: ping :) [17:33] hey ochosi [17:33] btw, just uploaded a few fixes [17:34] ah nice [17:34] gotta pull again then :) [17:35] everything that's currently in there should be working as expected at this point [17:35] cool [17:35] how're you determining whether something is an application? [17:35] (i get lots of .iso, postinst etc. that are definitely not applications) [17:36] just by mime right now. Unfortunately, things like pdf and such are also listed under the application mime [17:36] (i mean: they're executables, but not applications) [17:36] right. i see [17:36] maybe we should work around that somehow [17:36] yeah [17:36] only search for stuff in /bin and .desktop or something like that [17:36] good idea [17:37] but anyway, there's appfinder for that :) [17:37] I actually need to tweak all the type filters since mimetype isn't always so accurate [17:37] (i mean if you're seriously looking for something that is installed in the right place) [17:37] mhm [17:37] true [17:37] one more thing about the suggestions [17:37] i think the delay needs some tweaking [17:38] maybe more delay, currently it slows down typing too much [17:38] it seems to poll after every letter/change [17:38] (i mean immediately) [17:38] yup [17:39] let me quickly look at what we did for gmusicbrowser [17:39] cause there we tested quite a while what feels best [17:40] also: don't poll after the first letter [17:42] something like: my $timeout = $1<2 ? 1000 : $1==2 ? 200 : 100 (in perl) [17:43] (or drop the 1000, maybe better) [17:54] ochosi: try it now. I moved the suggestions into a gobject thread [17:57] bluesabre: far better [17:58] awesome [17:58] but still, if i try to type "xubuntu" it stops me after "xu" :/ [17:58] ok, I'll throw some timeouts in there [17:58] thanks :) [17:59] i'll try to make another layout-mockup now [17:59] sounds good [18:07] humm [18:08] i'm not very happy with how much space the infobar takes... [18:08] i'd prefer something far more subtle [18:08] at least by default [18:09] mock up something awesomer :D [18:09] hehe [18:09] yeah, banging my head against the wall currently [18:09] as soon as i'm done with that, i'll mock it up :p [18:10] * davmor2 moves ochosi 's wall [18:13] heh [18:13] thanks davmor2 :) [18:13] bluesabre: ok, baby steps then. some padding/arrangment tweaks: http://imagebin.org/213285 [18:14] btw, notice the "x" (close-button) in the search-bar. it should be there when $search!='' [18:14] and ideally there would be a spinner instead of the "x" while the search is going on [18:14] which would on hover show the "x" to cancel the search [18:15] btw, "Esc" could be mapped to cancel the search by default _and_ to clear a finished search [18:16] sounds good [18:32] thank you for the bug on xfce4-utils mr_pouit [18:57] bluesabre: i think i finally have an idea how to implement the "find" in the UI [18:57] cool [18:58] btw, made some of the interface adjustments. Not sure how I'm going to do the spinner in the entry box though [19:01] bluesabre: http://imagebin.org/213292 [19:01] obviously the "search thorougly" is supposed to be a button :} [19:01] didn't take the time to really draw it ;) [19:02] I like that [19:02] Care if I make the button look just like that? [19:02] lol [19:02] haha [19:02] please do that! [19:05] if the spinner in the entry doesn't work, we can also put it in the statusbar [19:05] cause while the search is running, there's nothing else there [19:05] Unit193: tried searchmonkey now, it looks overly complicated (the UI) and it's not really faster or anything [19:07] Right, it was just an idea, I personally use locate and try find every so often. [19:08] Unit193: i think you might be able to use catfish in the future :) [19:08] (in the near future) [19:08] hurr durr [19:09] I pulled from git, worked with the locate backend. [19:09] s/git/bzr/ [19:10] yup [19:12] bbl [19:27] bluesabre: interface adjustments look good! btw, the dotted lines in the treeview, did you set those in the code? [19:27] cause they don't look like proper murrine-engine dots, more like fallback-stuff [19:28] It's not murrine, is it? pygi uses gtk3 [19:30] oh right [19:30] i forgot :) [19:30] (stupid me) [19:30] lol [19:30] well still [19:30] but I agree. Are those dots themeable? [19:31] or maybe we should port murrine to gtk3? (not going to volunteer myself for that one) [19:31] hmm, treeviews/listviews in greybird-gtk3 don't have the dots, but alternating row-colours [19:31] well, in fact unico is a rewrite of murrine for gtk3 [19:31] it has similar functions [19:31] it's just not as mature [19:31] partly because gtk3 isn't as mature as gtk2 [19:32] (murrine and unico are written by the same author) [19:32] oh awesome [19:33] so you added the dots? [19:34] cause if yes i have to check whether i can theme them with unico (not entirely sure i can) [19:34] but alternating row-colors would be nice [19:34] they're in the theme, they work e.g. in the file-open dialog [19:34] yeah, it was an option for the treeview. It should have the alternating rows now (does on mine) [19:34] ok nice [19:38] ochosi: just pushed the latest interface changes [19:40] ok, let's add a workaround for the non-expandable tasklist plugin from 4.10 :< [19:44] mr_pouit: agreed [19:45] that will be ugly, and may have funny side effects for people that changed the default config, but well [19:46] (basically, if /plugins/plugin-2 is tasklist and /plugins/plugin-3 is separator, then we're in the xubuntu default layout and it sets /plugins/plugin-3 as expandable [19:46] bluesabre: maybe add a tooltip to the close-button and make it clear the treeview as well [19:46] mr_pouit: it's a problem only for people who used the ppa. and those are on their own anyway :} [19:47] now if someone customised the layout enough to have plugin-2 as a tasklist in panel 0 and plugin-3 as a separator in panel 1, it will be affected as well [19:47] no, that's on upgrades from 4.8 :[ [19:47] ochosi: I'm not sure why we'd want to clear the treeview as well? [19:48] bluesabre: hmm, right. i dunno, i kinda expected that, but i think you're right [19:49] the changes look and work great btw [19:50] do you wanna keep $searchterm in the statusbar? [19:51] i mean there's one use-case i can think of, clearing the search-entry and then wanting to know what you searched for, but that's kinda odd and i'm not sure it's enough to keep a duplication [19:51] did you talk with kalikiana about replacing catfish? (or will it live with another name) [19:51] mr_pouit: right, i didn't read what you proposed properly. i'm not sure that this is the kind of workaround we want. it's a bit hacky and not exactly failproof [19:52] mr_pouit: yes, he was looking for a new maintainer anyway [19:52] mr_pouit: but we'll see, i think last time it didn't compile for hi [19:52] m [19:52] i'll talk to him 'bout it [19:53] yeah, he was having difficulties with it [19:53] btw, I fixed the annoying bugs with catfish in lubuntu as well, so they might be able to use it next time if we get this in [19:53] ah right [19:54] in that case superseding current catfish would be best [19:54] you wouldn't believe it, but pcmanfm does not take path arguments [19:54] silly [19:54] pff [19:54] i was never a big fan of pacmanfm tbh [19:55] * ochosi hopes jannis will pick up thunar-development again sometime soon [20:00] k, i'm off for a bit [20:00] prolly bbl though [20:00] bluesabre: btw, you didn't add the delay yet, did you? [20:01] anyway, just wondering, no rush :) [20:02] yeah, haven't added the delay yet, but reduced the number of attempts [20:13] ochosi: Just pushed the icon tooltips. btw, have any feedback for the custom date and custom file format dialogs? [20:26] bleh, hey people [20:27] hey knome [20:27] hey bluesabre [20:28] * knome is *so* tired from being at places during the last days [20:28] home office ftw [20:30] knome: Howdy matie. [20:30] hey Unit193! :) [20:31] * knome is starting to like his new terminal color-scheme a lot [20:32] mr_pouit: I think it's awesome that 4.10 is in and there are no new build failures [20:32] http://temp.knome.fi/other/shot-201205-21.png <- [20:42] micahg: yep \o/, the ppa helped though (there was only one failure with linelight-plugin, and it was noticed in my ppa) [20:43] the "less nice" part is that plugins need to be updated to benefit from the new 'deskbar' mode introduced in xfce4-panel 4.10 [20:44] how much updating? [20:47] not that big, I think it's mostly on new callback [20:47] *one [20:52] knome: irssi? [20:53] knome: i dunno, the blues are too agressive for me [20:53] bluesabre: will take a look tomorrow, gotta sleep now [20:53] night everyone [20:57] baizon: Yes that is. [21:02] baizon, yes [21:02] ochosi, nighty! [21:02] ochosi, (not for me!) [21:12] knome: why did you remove xubuntu-dev from xubuntu-artwork, it contains the canonical branch for the ubuntu package and core-devs need to be able to commit [21:16] micahg, hmph, isn't that a bit unclean? :| [21:17] i can revert if that's needed. i thought it was only you and lionel who needed to access [21:18] -dev is invited once again. [21:18] sorry for the hassle! [21:18] * knome shouldn't work on FOSS when tired [21:19] otoh, i think i found a bug in xfce bugzilla which is fixed [21:19] knome: well, core-devs shouldn't be touching it unless they need to fix an issue in the archive [21:20] mmh, well anyway, it's reverted [21:20] thanks [21:20] np [21:21] btw, have you had a chance to look at the website/wiki "development" pages? [21:21] we still refer to people having to apply as a MOTU [21:21] i'd like to get those pages updated to be as correct as possible, and maybe we could attract a few people [21:21] the rest of the "how to contribute" stuff is relatively current and correct now :)