[17:13] <ochosi> bluesabre_laptop: ping
[17:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: ping :)
[17:33] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[17:33] <bluesabre> btw, just uploaded a few fixes
[17:34] <ochosi> ah nice
[17:34] <ochosi> gotta pull again then :)
[17:35] <bluesabre> everything that's currently in there should be working as expected at this point
[17:35] <ochosi> cool
[17:35] <ochosi> how're you determining whether something is an application?
[17:35] <ochosi> (i get lots of .iso, postinst etc. that are definitely not applications)
[17:36] <bluesabre> just by mime right now.  Unfortunately, things like pdf and such are also listed under the application mime
[17:36] <ochosi> (i mean: they're executables, but not applications)
[17:36] <ochosi> right. i see
[17:36] <ochosi> maybe we should work around that somehow
[17:36] <bluesabre> yeah
[17:36] <ochosi> only search for stuff in /bin and .desktop or something like that
[17:36] <bluesabre> good idea
[17:37] <ochosi> but anyway, there's appfinder for that :)
[17:37] <bluesabre> I actually need to tweak all the type filters since mimetype isn't always so accurate
[17:37] <ochosi> (i mean if you're seriously looking for something that is installed in the right place)
[17:37] <ochosi> mhm
[17:37] <bluesabre> true
[17:37] <ochosi> one more thing about the suggestions
[17:37] <ochosi> i think the delay needs some tweaking
[17:38] <ochosi> maybe more delay, currently it slows down typing too much
[17:38] <ochosi> it seems to poll after every letter/change
[17:38] <ochosi> (i mean immediately)
[17:38] <bluesabre> yup
[17:39] <ochosi> let me quickly look at what we did for gmusicbrowser
[17:39] <ochosi> cause there we tested quite a while what feels best
[17:40] <ochosi> also: don't poll after the first letter
[17:42] <ochosi> something like: my $timeout = $1<2 ? 1000 : $1==2 ? 200 : 100 (in perl)
[17:43] <ochosi> (or drop the 1000, maybe better)
[17:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: try it now.  I moved the suggestions into a gobject thread
[17:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: far better
[17:58] <bluesabre> awesome
[17:58] <ochosi> but still, if i try to type "xubuntu" it stops me after "xu" :/
[17:58] <bluesabre> ok, I'll throw some timeouts in there
[17:58] <ochosi> thanks :)
[17:59] <ochosi> i'll try to make another layout-mockup now
[17:59] <bluesabre> sounds good
[18:07] <ochosi> humm
[18:08] <ochosi> i'm not very happy with how much space the infobar takes...
[18:08] <ochosi> i'd prefer something far more subtle
[18:08] <ochosi> at least by default
[18:09] <bluesabre> mock up something awesomer :D
[18:09] <ochosi> hehe
[18:09] <ochosi> yeah, banging my head against the wall currently
[18:09] <ochosi> as soon as i'm done with that, i'll mock it up :p
[18:10]  * davmor2 moves ochosi 's wall
[18:13] <ochosi> heh
[18:13] <ochosi> thanks davmor2 :)
[18:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, baby steps then. some padding/arrangment tweaks: http://imagebin.org/213285
[18:14] <ochosi> btw, notice the "x" (close-button) in the search-bar. it should be there when $search!=''
[18:14] <ochosi> and ideally there would be a spinner instead of the "x" while the search is going on
[18:14] <ochosi> which would on hover show the "x" to cancel the search
[18:15] <ochosi> btw, "Esc" could be mapped to cancel the search by default _and_ to clear a finished search
[18:16] <bluesabre> sounds good
[18:32] <scott-work> thank you for the bug on xfce4-utils mr_pouit 
[18:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think i finally have an idea how to implement the "find" in the UI
[18:57] <bluesabre> cool
[18:58] <bluesabre> btw, made some of the interface adjustments.  Not sure how I'm going to do the spinner in the entry box though
[19:01] <ochosi> bluesabre: http://imagebin.org/213292
[19:01] <ochosi> obviously the "search thorougly" is supposed to be a button :}
[19:01] <ochosi> didn't take the time to really draw it ;)
[19:02] <bluesabre> I like that
[19:02] <bluesabre> Care if I make the button look just like that?  
[19:02] <bluesabre> lol
[19:02] <ochosi> haha
[19:02] <ochosi> please do that!
[19:05] <ochosi> if the spinner in the entry doesn't work, we can also put it in the statusbar
[19:05] <ochosi> cause while the search is running, there's nothing else there
[19:05] <ochosi> Unit193: tried searchmonkey now, it looks overly complicated (the UI) and it's not really faster or anything
[19:07] <Unit193> Right, it was just an idea, I personally use locate and try find every so often.
[19:08] <ochosi> Unit193: i think you might be able to use catfish in the future :)
[19:08] <ochosi> (in the near future)
[19:08] <knome> hurr durr
[19:09] <Unit193> I pulled from git, worked with the locate backend.
[19:09] <Unit193> s/git/bzr/
[19:10] <ochosi> yup
[19:12] <knome> bbl
[19:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: interface adjustments look good! btw, the dotted lines in the treeview, did you set those in the code?
[19:27] <ochosi> cause they don't look like proper murrine-engine dots, more like fallback-stuff
[19:28] <bluesabre> It's not murrine, is it?  pygi uses gtk3
[19:30] <ochosi> oh right
[19:30] <ochosi> i forgot :)
[19:30] <ochosi> (stupid me)
[19:30] <bluesabre> lol
[19:30] <ochosi> well still
[19:30] <bluesabre> but I agree.  Are those dots themeable?
[19:31] <bluesabre> or maybe we should port murrine to gtk3?  (not going to volunteer myself for that one)
[19:31] <ochosi> hmm, treeviews/listviews in greybird-gtk3 don't have the dots, but alternating row-colours
[19:31] <ochosi> well, in fact unico is a rewrite of murrine for gtk3
[19:31] <ochosi> it has similar functions
[19:31] <ochosi> it's just not as mature
[19:31] <ochosi> partly because gtk3 isn't as mature as gtk2
[19:32] <ochosi> (murrine and unico are written by the same author)
[19:32] <bluesabre> oh awesome
[19:33] <ochosi> so you added the dots?
[19:34] <ochosi> cause if yes i have to check whether i can theme them with unico (not entirely sure i can)
[19:34] <ochosi> but alternating row-colors would be nice
[19:34] <ochosi> they're in the theme, they work e.g. in the file-open dialog
[19:34] <bluesabre> yeah, it was an option for the treeview.  It should have the alternating rows now (does on mine)
[19:34] <ochosi> ok nice
[19:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: just pushed the latest interface changes
[19:40] <mr_pouit> ok, let's add a workaround for the non-expandable tasklist plugin from 4.10 :<
[19:44] <ochosi> mr_pouit: agreed
[19:45] <mr_pouit> that will be ugly, and may have funny side effects for people that changed the default config, but well
[19:46] <mr_pouit> (basically, if /plugins/plugin-2 is tasklist and /plugins/plugin-3 is separator, then we're in the xubuntu default layout and it sets /plugins/plugin-3 as expandable
[19:46] <ochosi> bluesabre: maybe add a tooltip to the close-button and make it clear the treeview as well
[19:46] <ochosi> mr_pouit: it's a problem only for people who used the ppa. and those are on their own anyway :}
[19:47] <mr_pouit> now if someone customised the layout enough to have plugin-2 as a tasklist in panel 0 and plugin-3 as a separator in panel 1, it will be affected as well
[19:47] <mr_pouit> no, that's on upgrades from 4.8 :[
[19:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'm not sure why we'd want to clear the treeview as well?
[19:48] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmm, right. i dunno, i kinda expected that, but i think you're right
[19:49] <ochosi> the changes look and work great btw
[19:50] <ochosi> do you wanna keep $searchterm in the statusbar?
[19:51] <ochosi> i mean there's one use-case i can think of, clearing the search-entry and then wanting to know what you searched for, but that's kinda odd and i'm not sure it's enough to keep a duplication
[19:51] <mr_pouit> did you talk with kalikiana about replacing catfish? (or will it live with another name)
[19:51] <ochosi> mr_pouit: right, i didn't read what you proposed properly. i'm not sure that this is the kind of workaround we want. it's a bit hacky and not exactly failproof
[19:52] <ochosi> mr_pouit: yes, he was looking for a new maintainer anyway
[19:52] <ochosi> mr_pouit: but we'll see, i think last time it didn't compile for hi
[19:52] <ochosi> m
[19:52] <ochosi> i'll talk to him 'bout it
[19:53] <bluesabre> yeah, he was having difficulties with it
[19:53] <bluesabre> btw, I fixed the annoying bugs with catfish in lubuntu as well, so they might be able to use it next time if we get this in
[19:53] <ochosi> ah right
[19:54] <ochosi> in that case superseding current catfish would be best
[19:54] <bluesabre> you wouldn't believe it, but pcmanfm does not take path arguments
[19:54] <bluesabre> silly
[19:54] <ochosi> pff
[19:54] <ochosi> i was never a big fan of pacmanfm tbh
[19:55]  * ochosi hopes jannis will pick up thunar-development again sometime soon
[20:00] <ochosi> k, i'm off for a bit
[20:00] <ochosi> prolly bbl though
[20:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, you didn't add the delay yet, did you?
[20:01] <ochosi> anyway, just wondering, no rush :)
[20:02] <bluesabre> yeah, haven't added the delay yet, but reduced the number of attempts
[20:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: Just pushed the icon tooltips.  btw, have any feedback for the custom date and custom file format dialogs?
[20:26] <knome> bleh, hey people
[20:27] <bluesabre> hey knome
[20:27] <knome> hey bluesabre 
[20:28]  * knome is *so* tired from being at places during the last days
[20:28] <knome> home office ftw
[20:30] <Unit193> knome: Howdy matie.
[20:30] <knome> hey Unit193! :)
[20:31]  * knome is starting to like his new terminal color-scheme a lot
[20:32] <micahg> mr_pouit: I think it's awesome that 4.10 is in and there are no new build failures
[20:32] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/other/shot-201205-21.png <-
[20:42] <mr_pouit> micahg: yep \o/, the ppa helped though (there was only one failure with linelight-plugin, and it was noticed in my ppa)
[20:43] <mr_pouit> the "less nice" part is that plugins need to be updated to benefit from the new 'deskbar' mode introduced in xfce4-panel 4.10
[20:44] <bluesabre> how much updating?
[20:47] <mr_pouit> not that big, I think it's mostly on new callback
[20:47] <mr_pouit> *one
[20:52] <baizon> knome: irssi?
[20:53] <ochosi> knome: i dunno, the blues are too agressive for me
[20:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: will take a look tomorrow, gotta sleep now
[20:53] <ochosi> night everyone
[20:57] <Unit193> baizon: Yes that is.
[21:02] <knome> baizon, yes
[21:02] <knome> ochosi, nighty!
[21:02] <knome> ochosi, (not for me!)
[21:12] <micahg> knome: why did you remove xubuntu-dev from xubuntu-artwork, it contains the canonical branch for the ubuntu package and core-devs need to be able to commit
[21:16] <knome> micahg, hmph, isn't that a bit unclean? :|
[21:17] <knome> i can revert if that's needed. i thought it was only you and lionel who needed to access
[21:18] <knome> -dev is invited once again.
[21:18] <knome> sorry for the hassle!
[21:18]  * knome shouldn't work on FOSS when tired
[21:19] <knome> otoh, i think i found a bug in xfce bugzilla which is fixed
[21:19] <micahg> knome: well, core-devs shouldn't be touching it unless they need to fix an issue in the archive
[21:20] <knome> mmh, well anyway, it's reverted
[21:20] <micahg> thanks
[21:20] <knome> np
[21:21] <knome> btw, have you had a chance to look at the website/wiki "development" pages?
[21:21] <knome> we still refer to people having to apply as a MOTU
[21:21] <knome> i'd like to get those pages updated to be as correct as possible, and maybe we could attract a few people
[21:21] <knome> the rest of the "how to contribute" stuff is relatively current and correct now :)