| dasKreech | xixor: I think ~/.local/share/applications/default.xml may help | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| xixor | I don't have that file | 00:07 |
| xixor | nor a /usr/share/applications/default.xml file | 00:07 |
| dbc254 | if apt-get install k3b gives you a list of files it shouldn't before downloading, what could be wrong? | 00:08 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: could you reask that question? | 00:08 |
| dbc254 | trying to get k3b. apt-get install k3b basically tried to turn kubuntu into ubuntu(gnome) and I had to start all over | 00:10 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: So installing k3b asked you to install ubuntu-desktop ? | 00:12 |
| dasKreech | xixor: do you have the ~./local/share/applications directory? | 00:13 |
| dasKreech | What's starting all over involve? | 00:14 |
| xixor | dasKreech: yes, I have that, and a /usr/share/applications directory. I have a ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list, and a /usr/share/applications/defaults.list files | 00:14 |
| dasKreech | xixor: what;s in the mimeapps.list for inode? | 00:15 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: what is starting over? | 00:15 |
| xixor | dasKreech: inode/directory=dolphin.desktop | 00:16 |
| dasKreech | and you have a dolphin.desktop in your path? | 00:17 |
| xixor | I'm not sure, I have a dolphin.desktop file, I don't think it's in the path | 00:18 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: can you try apt-get install k3b again and pastebin the list of files it's asking to install? | 00:18 |
| dasKreech | !pastebin | 00:18 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 00:18 |
| dasKreech | xixor: That could be an issue then | 00:18 |
| xixor | dasKreech: I have a /usr/share/applications/kde4/dolphin.desktop file, but /usr/share/applications isn't in the PATH | 00:18 |
| dasKreech | xixor: Umm ok not sure if that's to the spec :) | 00:25 |
| dasKreech | xixor: what happens if you type xdg-open ~ | 00:25 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: are you ok? can you do the pastebin? | 00:26 |
| dbc254 | still trying to get k3b. pastebin?? | 00:26 |
| xixor | dasKreech: It opens the directory in the web browser chrome, and says this on the console: No applications found for mimetype: inode/directory | 00:26 |
| dasKreech | !pastebin | dbc254 | 00:27 |
| ubottu | dbc254: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 00:27 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: Did you click yes for the install again? | 00:27 |
| dasKreech | Cancel it if you did | 00:27 |
| dasKreech | just apt-get install k3b and it will give you a list of files to install copy that list and go to paste.ubuntu.com and paste it there | 00:29 |
| dasKreech | It will give you a new URL paste the URL in this chan | 00:29 |
| dbc254 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000034/ | 00:32 |
| dasKreech | Wow one million posts | 00:35 |
| dasKreech | apachelogger: ping | 00:35 |
| apachelogger | hai? | 00:35 |
| dasKreech | apachelogger: any explanation for the above pastebin ? | 00:35 |
| dasKreech | It's pulling in nearly all the ubuntu-desktop deps | 00:36 |
| apachelogger | no | 00:36 |
| apachelogger | what series though? | 00:36 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: I presume this is 12.04 ? | 00:38 |
| dasKreech | apachelogger: It's precise | 00:41 |
| dbc254 | when all I did was apt-get install k3b from my kubuntu 12.04 machine | 00:41 |
| dbc254 | yes 12.04 kubuntu | 00:41 |
| dbc254 | on a branny new 120gb SSD no less | 00:42 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: can you install pastebinit ? we may want some more information | 00:42 |
| dasKreech | say no to the k3b install and sudo apt-get install pastebint | 00:42 |
| dbc254 | doing now | 00:42 |
| dasKreech | It shoudln't require much to install at all so if you get a huge list let us know | 00:43 |
| apachelogger | sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b | 00:43 |
| apachelogger | that should show the dep resolving | 00:44 |
| dbc254 | no file called pastebint | 00:44 |
| dasKreech | ah | 00:44 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: sudo apt-get install pastebinit | 00:44 |
| dasKreech | My fault sorry | 00:44 |
| dasKreech | then run the command apachelogger asked for and put | pastebinit at the end | 00:44 |
| dasKreech | apachelogger: I was going to check the policy on the package. I'm looking at p.u.c and it doesn't show anything like that | 00:45 |
| apachelogger | what policy? | 00:45 |
| dasKreech | apt-cache policy k3b | 00:45 |
| apachelogger | policies are local priority raiting, they have no impact on resolution other than choosing which version from which source is preferred | 00:46 |
| dasKreech | Right. I was just wondering if taht was being pulled from some other source. | 00:47 |
| dbc254 | |typed all that in, but nothing happened | 00:47 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: did you get pastebint installed? | 00:47 |
| dasKreech | pastebinit | 00:47 |
| dasKreech | bleah | 00:47 |
| apachelogger | yeah, but then that k3b package would have to depend on everything ubuntu-desktop depends on :) | 00:48 |
| apachelogger | actually even more | 00:48 |
| apachelogger | abiword | 00:48 |
| dasKreech | apachelogger: I know It's bizarre | 00:48 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b | pastebinit | 00:49 |
| dbc254 | but it's truly happening. Everything's working. Just want k3b to install work and I'm 100% | 00:49 |
| apachelogger | oh | 00:49 |
| apachelogger | actually | 00:49 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: that should return a URL I tihnk | 00:49 |
| apachelogger | iff the local dependency chain is broken output like that might be occuring | 00:49 |
| dasKreech | Wait actually it probably won't will it? the query would prevent the pastebin | 00:50 |
| dasKreech | bah | 00:50 |
| dbc254 | /msg dasKreech typing that in give me the response that I'm trying to send and empty document | 00:50 |
| dasKreech | just run sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b and when it asks if you are sure copy and paste to pastebin | 00:50 |
| dbc254 | typing that in give me the response that I'm trying to send and empty document | 00:50 |
| apachelogger | just tell it no ^^ | 00:50 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: Yeah I just figured it out. Take out the | pastebinit at the end | 00:51 |
| dasKreech | It's going to break the command | 00:51 |
| apachelogger | why? | 00:52 |
| apachelogger | just prepend "N" | | 00:52 |
| apachelogger | "N" | sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b | pastebinit | 00:52 |
| dbc254 | that line asked me if I wanted to install the 3.2gb of stuff again. I said NO WAY | 00:52 |
| dasKreech | Ah that would work as well | 00:52 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: right :) | 00:53 |
| apachelogger | (that only works if you used sudo before of course ... otherwise the N will be used for the password query :)) | 00:53 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: try apachelogger's way | 00:53 |
| dasKreech | I think that's safe to assume at this poitn | 00:53 |
| dasKreech | point | 00:53 |
| apachelogger | yeah, just mentioning it for the fun :P | 00:54 |
| dbc254 | I didn't have to say NO, it assumed it and put me back at a command prompt | 00:55 |
| dbc254 | what gives?? | 00:55 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: the "N" is the same as you typing in no to the terminal | 00:55 |
| dasKreech | So you jsut told it no before you started the command | 00:56 |
| dbc254 | ah! | 00:56 |
| dasKreech | Neat huh? | 00:56 |
| apachelogger | behold the power of the shell ^^ | 00:56 |
| dbc254 | hahaha | 00:56 |
| apachelogger | but the command did not work | 00:56 |
| dbc254 | correct | 00:56 |
| apachelogger | needs some changes | 00:56 |
| dbc254 | still trying to give me Gnome | 00:56 |
| apachelogger | echo "N" | sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker=yes k3b 2>&1 | pastebinit | 00:57 |
| dbc254 | even a noob like me knew 3.2gb of stuff was wrong | 00:57 |
| apachelogger | that should give you a paste url I can look at | 00:57 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: Hooray for noob knowledge ^_^ | 00:57 |
| apachelogger | e.g. I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000052/ for eclipse | 00:57 |
| dasKreech | 1 million pastebins | 00:57 |
| dasKreech | wow | 00:57 |
| apachelogger | only 500 of those are accidental pastes of my password :P | 00:58 |
| dasKreech | Everyone knows your password already stopping pimping it | 00:58 |
| apachelogger | true | 00:59 |
| dbc254 | that locked up the shell window | 00:59 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 00:59 |
| apachelogger | hit Ctrl and C | 01:00 |
| apachelogger | then try again | 01:00 |
| dbc254 | I was using ctrl z | 01:00 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: almost the same | 01:00 |
| apachelogger | actually not | 01:00 |
| dasKreech | Right till you run out of memory | 01:01 |
| apachelogger | yah ^^ | 01:01 |
| apachelogger | z only puts the task in the background | 01:01 |
| dasKreech | Ctrl+C cancels the job | 01:01 |
| apachelogger | so that you can continue to use the shell | 01:01 |
| dasKreech | Ctrl+Z puts it away for later but it's still there | 01:01 |
| dasKreech | You can type jobs and see how many are still running | 01:01 |
| dbc254 | I even downloaded the .deb of k3b. But couldn't install it | 01:01 |
| dasKreech | Everytime you press ctrl+Z that list grows by one | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | which actually fails in case of apt-get because the now suspended job is still holding the lock on the database ;) | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | dbc254: type fg | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | then ctrl c | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | rinse and repeat until it says there are no more jobs | 01:02 |
| dasKreech | out of curisity | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | then try the command again | 01:02 |
| dasKreech | type jobs | pastebinit | 01:02 |
| dbc254 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000065/ | 01:03 |
| dbc254 | fg=foreground? | 01:03 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: correct | 01:03 |
| apachelogger | hmmmmm | 01:04 |
| dbc254 | no more jobs | 01:04 |
| dbc254 | all the power is in the shell it seems | 01:05 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: if you would like when this is done I can show you some more of that and how to use it | 01:05 |
| apachelogger | MarkInstall libgnome2-common [ amd64 ] < none -> 2.32.1-2ubuntu1 > ( libs ) FU=0 | 01:05 |
| apachelogger | MarkInstall desktop-base [ amd64 ] < none -> 6.0.7ubuntu1 > ( universe/x11 ) FU=0 | 01:05 |
| apachelogger | MarkInstall gnome [ amd64 ] < none -> 1:3.0+6ubuntu3 > ( universe/gnome ) FU=0 | 01:05 |
| dasKreech | apachelogger: is that from mivxmaker ? | 01:05 |
| dasKreech | movixmaker | 01:05 |
| apachelogger | dbc254: apt-cache show desktop-base | grep -E "Depends|Recommends" | pastebinit | 01:06 |
| apachelogger | yes | 01:06 |
| apachelogger | each indention marks a level of dependency | 01:07 |
| apachelogger | mivxmaker is a first level dependency of k3b, libgnome3-perl is a first level dep of mivxmaker etc. etc. | 01:07 |
| dasKreech | apachelogger: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/k3b | 01:08 |
| dbc254 | why is it trying to give me stuff I don't need? I only have a 120gb drive here | 01:08 |
| dasKreech | I forget we can depend on universe now | 01:08 |
| apachelogger | dasKreech: it is a recommends | 01:08 |
| dasKreech | apachelogger: I saw | 01:08 |
| apachelogger | which due to the apt policy is treated like a depends | 01:08 |
| apachelogger | dbc254: apt-cache show desktop-base | grep -E "Depends|Recommends" | pastebinit | 01:09 |
| apachelogger | also | 01:09 |
| apachelogger | apt-cache policy desktop-base | pastebinit | 01:09 |
| apachelogger | also | 01:12 |
| apachelogger | sudo grep -r Install /etc/apt | pastebinit | 01:12 |
| apachelogger | then I should be able to tell you why ;) | 01:13 |
| dasKreech | seems like a --no-recommends would be helpful | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | nah | 01:14 |
| apachelogger | >>> apt-cache show desktop-base | grep -E "Depends|Recommends|Suggests" | 01:14 |
| apachelogger | Depends: librsvg2-common | 01:14 |
| apachelogger | Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.15.7.2) | 01:14 |
| apachelogger | Suggests: gnome | kde-standard | xfce4 | wmaker | 01:14 |
| apachelogger | so either desktop-base is coming from an untrusted and broken source or suggests are being installed by default | 01:15 |
| dasKreech | The severity is depends recommends suggests right ? | 01:15 |
| apachelogger | aye | 01:16 |
| dasKreech | ok just making sure I wasn't dim | 01:16 |
| apachelogger | dasKreech: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps | 01:16 |
| apachelogger | what they mean in particular | 01:17 |
| apachelogger | also explains why Depends are not optional and Recommends while optional still are installed by default ^^ | 01:17 |
| dasKreech | Yeah I remember that arguement | 01:18 |
| dasKreech | I just cannot recall ever having used movixmaker | 01:18 |
| apachelogger | probably used for the encoding/decoding features | 01:18 |
| dasKreech | But then I suppose that would be for burning DVD movies which I rarely ever do | 01:19 |
| dasKreech | and I'd probably be using KDenlive | 01:19 |
| apachelogger | dbc254: apt-cache policy desktop-base | pastebinit | 01:22 |
| apachelogger | dbc254: sudo grep -r Install /etc/apt | pastebinit | 01:22 |
| dbc254 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000077/ | 01:24 |
| dbc254 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000078/ | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | /etc/apt/apt.conf:APT::Install-Suggests "true"; | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | there you have your problem | 01:25 |
| dasKreech | That's the issue | 01:25 |
| dbc254 | huh? | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | dbc254: cat /etc/apt/apt.conf | pastebinit | 01:25 |
| dbc254 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000080/ | 01:26 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: something suggests that Gnome might be a good idea and so it installs it since that's what is set as policy | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | dbc254: debian packages have 3 ways of defining a relationship with another package ... depends, recommends and suggests ... we only install the former 2 by default, but you configured apt to also install the third | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | which in turn leads to the excessive dependency resolution | 01:27 |
| dbc254 | but I wouldn't know how to even do that. | 01:27 |
| dbc254 | I didn't dood it, I swear! | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | I recommend you run `sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf` and make a note not to do anything with suggests and apt anymore :) | 01:27 |
| dasKreech | dbc254: :-) That's fine lets just get it to not do that | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | dbc254: you have picked that up on some website | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | for some reason a few people choose to advertise installing suggests by default, which is really quite silly | 01:28 |
| dbc254 | bastages! where's my shootin iron | 01:29 |
| apachelogger | you can read the debian url I posted 10 minutes ago if you care to read why it does in fact not make much sense :) | 01:29 |
| dbc254 | k3b is missing something that won't let me burn grepiofs?? | 01:32 |
| apachelogger | sudo apt-get purge k3b && sudo apt-get install k3b | 01:32 |
| dbc254 | but we didn't turn off that pesky thing you guys said I have | 01:33 |
| dbc254 | have we? | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | <apachelogger> I recommend you run `sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf` and make a note not to do anything with suggests and apt anymore :) | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | that command removes the config file thus reverting the installation policy to default, fixing the issue | 01:34 |
| dbc254 | I just dood it | 01:35 |
| dbc254 | now trying to apt-get k3b | 01:35 |
| apachelogger | first purge though :P | 01:35 |
| apachelogger | otherwise it won't do anything ^^ | 01:35 |
| dasKreech | sudo apt-get purge k3b && sudo apt-get install k3b | 01:38 |
| dbc254 | It woiks!! | 01:39 |
| apachelogger | of course it does :P | 01:39 |
| dasKreech | \o/ | 01:39 |
| dbc254 | took a bit of figurin by you guys, but VOILA! | 01:39 |
| dasKreech | I need to remember that dependency tree | 01:39 |
| du_ | \list | 01:40 |
| dbc254 | Guess I can uninstall NERO | 01:40 |
| dbc254 | Only good till 6/13/12 anyway. I prefer k3b | 01:40 |
| dasKreech | du_: msg alis | 01:40 |
| dbc254 | dunno how that setting got changed. . . | 01:40 |
| dbc254 | I know fo SHO it wasn't by me | 01:40 |
| dasKreech | may want to remove it fomr your backup as well | 01:41 |
| du_ | wi | 01:41 |
| dbc254 | I'll be making a NEW backup right quick! | 01:41 |
| dasKreech | du_: hi | 01:41 |
| du_ | wi man | 01:42 |
| dbc254 | thanks again guys. | 01:42 |
| du_ | hey daskreech | 01:44 |
| du_ | wi | 01:44 |
| du_ | i new | 01:44 |
| du_ | i am brazilian | 01:45 |
| dasKreech | du_: Great :) | 01:46 |
| dasKreech | Want helpe here or in a brazillian channel? | 01:46 |
| dasKreech | !br | 01:46 |
| ubottu | Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado. | 01:46 |
| dasKreech | Strange there isn't a #kubuntu-br | 01:50 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | Hi | 02:08 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | someone who can help me gettin qmc2(mame frontend) working (precise pangolin)? | 02:08 |
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| dasKreech | RanmaruHibikiya: Give me a moment | 02:18 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | k | 02:19 |
| dasKreech | RanmaruHibikiya: Ok what's happening? | 02:24 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | I'm trying to install qmc2 and mame from the habitual repos | 02:25 |
| dasKreech | the habitual repos? | 02:25 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | from this repositories: http://sdlmame.wallyweek.org/repository/ and http://qmc2.arcadehits.net/wordpress/download/ | 02:26 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | the first one is for mame, the second one for qmc2 | 02:26 |
| dasKreech | Right. use the second link | 02:26 |
| dasKreech | Ok | 02:27 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | but, qmc2 doesn't open proppertly | 02:27 |
| dasKreech | What happens when you try to open it? | 02:28 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | just shows a "white" window | 02:28 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | when in old versions runs fine | 02:29 |
| dasKreech | have you tried to run it from the command line? | 02:29 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | sure | 02:29 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | but doesn't show any message | 02:29 |
| dasKreech | hmm ok | 02:29 |
| dasKreech | I gues sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade is silent ? | 02:30 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | right now is upgrading | 02:31 |
| dasKreech | Ah ok | 02:31 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | but nothing related with I think | 02:31 |
| dasKreech | Sure but might as well update | 02:32 |
| dasKreech | Could be a driver issue | 02:32 |
| RanmaruHibikiya | ok, wait to the upgrade to finish and reboot | 02:33 |
| dasKreech | Sure | 02:34 |
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| asdf0 | hi | 06:46 |
| asdf0 | i have a rather strange problem ... i want to remotely shutdown a kde program on a computer but I only have ssh accress to it | 06:51 |
| asdf0 | i want it to "soft" shutdown, not just kill it (that would be easy with ssh) | 06:51 |
| asdf0 | is there some way to tell the kde application (kile) to shut down without killing it? | 06:52 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: you are looking for SIGTERM, which is the default of what `kill` does. just a kill pid will send a proper command | 06:54 |
| asdf0 | but then kile wont do its cleanup routine (delete temporary files n stuff), right? and in case there happens to be an unsaved file still open it will terminate and lose the change? | 06:57 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: you can also use `killall` with the process' name, rather than it's PID. so, `killall kile` would find the `kile` application, and hand it a SIGTERM | 06:57 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: ahhh, kile is an editor, correct? you will not be able to save open work, or force it to save open work, no. the application will simply do the OS level cleanup stuff (child processes and such), and exit. | 06:58 |
| asdf0 | nah i want it to do the application level cleanup stuff (the editor runs cleaning routines for temp files n stuff) on a soft shutdown | 06:59 |
| asdf0 | thats why i dont want to kill it ;) | 06:59 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: well... you can ssh in, right? is kile running on the screen? | 06:59 |
| asdf0 | i basically want it to do whatever it would do when i hit the close button on the application itself | 06:59 |
| asdf0 | uhm how do i do that ;) ? | 06:59 |
| asdf0 | never used ssh for anything but console ;) | 07:00 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: what I'm asking is: you havve the box sitting there, 300 miles away (or whatever), you can ssh into it, and kile is up on it's desktop, correct? | 07:00 |
| asdf0 | yes | 07:01 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: you are golden, my friend :) | 07:01 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: you're on another *nix box, correct? (something running X11) right? | 07:01 |
| asdf0 | yes | 07:02 |
| asdf0 | i can x forward into the active kile session? | 07:02 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: totally golden. gimme a moment to suss it all out, I have done this before, but it's been a long long time. basically, you spawn vlc on the desktop of the running session, then using ssh -X, you launch the vlc client on your own screen. bam, instan desktop viewing :D | 07:03 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: testing... :) | 07:05 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: log out of your ssh session. then, `ssh user@server`. Once in, `export DISPLAY=:0` you are now running apps on that screen. launch the vlc server, and just vlc in (or, spawn vlc client over the ssh... whatever) :) | 07:08 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: aargh, sorry, for your log back in, it should be `ssh -X user@server`, sorry | 07:09 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: ye christ, i'm tired. it's not vlc, VNC goddamnit lol | 07:09 |
| asdf0 | how exactly do i vnc in ;) ? | 07:11 |
| SilentDis | !vnc | 07:11 |
| ubottu | VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX | 07:11 |
| asdf0 | ah tyvm | 07:11 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: ubottu is a wonderful little helper :D | 07:11 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: I believe the package in *ubuntu 12.04 is vnc4server? something like that. | 07:12 |
| SilentDis | !info vnc4server | 07:12 |
| ubottu | vnc4server (source: vnc4): Virtual network computing server software. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.1+xorg4.3.0-37ubuntu4 (precise), package size 2038 kB, installed size 5268 kB | 07:12 |
| SilentDis | aye :D | 07:12 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: alright, I need to sleep, apparently. I just missed commands, and recommended using a streaming media player as a remote desktop application. it's obvious I need sleep lmao | 07:13 |
| SilentDis | asdf0: at least you now know how to remote-spawn vnc, and use it, to get onto a machine already running :) | 07:13 |
| asdf0 | gn8 and ty | 07:15 |
| elan311 | hello | 07:38 |
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| DFrostedWang | What is up with ./files? I know .files are hidden, but what are ./files? | 08:47 |
| DFrostedWang | What is up with ./files? I know .files are hidden, but what are ./files? | 08:47 |
| DFrostedWang | What is up with ./files? I know .files are hidden, but what are ./files? | 08:48 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: Let me check it out. | 08:48 |
| DFrostedWang | ok | 08:49 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: I assume you are in the home dir? | 08:49 |
| DFrostedWang | Anywhere | 08:49 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: In my home dir there is no files folder. | 08:49 |
| DFrostedWang | I didn't mean it literally | 08:50 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: Sorry, I think I understood the question wrong. | 08:50 |
| DFrostedWang | i eant anything with a ./ in front | 08:50 |
| DFrostedWang | meant* | 08:50 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: Ah it just means the current dir. For example if you are in /home and then typing ./something what you are actually saying is /home/something | 08:51 |
| === DFrostedWang is now known as ICWeiner | ||
| ICWeiner | What? | 08:53 |
| ICWeiner | Not with a / in front. A ./ in front. Not a directory, a file. | 08:53 |
| ICWeiner | Well, not always. | 08:53 |
| lordievader | ICWeiner: / is absolute ./ is relative. | 08:55 |
| ICWeiner | Meaning? | 08:55 |
| ICWeiner | Give an example, please. | 08:56 |
| === carlos is now known as Guest25161 | ||
| lordievader | ICWeiner: /home is allways /home. ./home is relative to where you are now. For example when you are in /home, ./home is actually /home/home. But if you are in /usr, ./home will become /usr/home | 08:56 |
| lordievader | ICWeiner: Do you understand? | 08:58 |
| ICWeiner | So if I type ./Documents in /home/[myname]/ it would be in /home/[myname]/Documents? | 08:58 |
| lordievader | ICWeiner: You are getting it. | 08:58 |
| ICWeiner | So .[file] is nothing like ./[file]? | 08:59 |
| lordievader | ICWeiner: To see where you currently are you can type pwd, btw | 08:59 |
| ICWeiner | i know that, you pointed it out last time | 08:59 |
| lordievader | ICWeiner: Nope, .<name> is a file/folder with name .<name> ./<name> is a file/folder in the current dir with name <name> | 09:00 |
| ICWeiner | ok, neat | 09:00 |
| lordievader | ICWeiner: Linux is quite nice for lazy guys :P | 09:00 |
| ICWeiner | lol. | 09:00 |
| ICWeiner | I like it, too. | 09:01 |
| ICWeiner | :P | 09:01 |
| lordievader | If you have a series of commands you do a few times daily why not automate it? In Linux you can :) | 09:01 |
| ICWeiner | ikr | 09:02 |
| ICWeiner | Speaking of automation, do you know any neat chatbots? | 09:02 |
| lordievader | ICWeiner: ikr? Euhmm no. | 09:02 |
| ICWeiner | ikr means i know, right? | 09:03 |
| lordievader | Ah I see, thx | 09:03 |
| ICWeiner | yw | 09:03 |
| === ICWeiner is now known as DFrostedWang | ||
| DFrostedWang | I think you told me wrong. | 09:13 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: What do you mean? | 09:13 |
| DFrostedWang | root@logankemp-Presario-CQ57-Notebook-PC:/home/logankemp# ./Downloads | 09:13 |
| DFrostedWang | -bash: ./Downloads: Is a directory | 09:13 |
| DFrostedWang | bash usually does files | 09:13 |
| DFrostedWang | Right? | 09:14 |
| DFrostedWang | so ./ is for files | 09:14 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: Bash is for everything. | 09:14 |
| DFrostedWang | oh | 09:14 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: Everything you can do in a gui you can do in bash. | 09:14 |
| DFrostedWang | So bash just means terminal? | 09:14 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: ./ is relative where without the . infront it becomes an absolute path. | 09:15 |
| DFrostedWang | Ok then. | 09:15 |
| DFrostedWang | What are kio slaves? | 09:15 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: Yes, it stands for Bourne Again Shell. | 09:15 |
| lordievader | DFrostedWang: No idea, you should ask dasKreech, He talked about it yesterday. | 09:15 |
| DFrostedWang | Oh... | 09:16 |
| DFrostedWang | ok | 09:16 |
| DFrostedWang | Is there a channel about stuff like this? | 09:16 |
| Tm_T | kioslaves are interfaces (or libraries, or ...) for various systems | 09:16 |
| DFrostedWang | A more active channel? | 09:16 |
| Tm_T | DFrostedWang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIO | 09:17 |
| DFrostedWang | thx | 09:17 |
| DFrostedWang | Is there a channel about stuff like this? | 09:18 |
| DFrostedWang | A more active channel? | 09:18 |
| jeggett | Hi. I have a question about IRC. How to register in IRC channel. What commands I should use? | 09:28 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| DFrostedWang | Go to irc website | 09:28 |
| jeggett | I want to join to #geany | 09:29 |
| lordievader | jeggett: Usually /join #<channel-name> works | 09:29 |
| jeggett | ok | 09:29 |
| Tm_T | lordievader: that doesn't register the channel | 09:38 |
| lordievader | Ah I see, my bad. | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | registering goes like this: http://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/ | 09:41 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 11:19 |
| cancer | hi | 11:23 |
| cancer | gys | 11:23 |
| lordievader | Hey cancer | 11:23 |
| cancer | lordievader: hi, what's up | 11:23 |
| cancer | lordievader: i finally got a good sleep yesterday. :) | 11:24 |
| lordievader | cancer: That is good to hear, I am doing fine, thank you or asking. | 11:24 |
| cancer | i'm sorry about last night, i didn't returned. one reason is said. anyway, what the reason for reinstalling yours Kubuntu | 11:26 |
| lordievader | cancer: Is kind of offtopic, so please join me/us on #kubuntu-offtopic | 11:29 |
| === frega_ is now known as frega | ||
| cancer | #kubuntu-offtopics | 12:04 |
| BlouBlou | :O | 12:05 |
| === AD is now known as Guest38084 | ||
| === 18WAA0PRQ is now known as ICWeiner | ||
| ICWeiner | I need help with quintuple boot | 12:27 |
| floown | hi | 12:46 |
| twtxwy | hello | 12:46 |
| twtxwy | every body | 12:46 |
| floown | I have lost my KDE windows decoration on the second pc I have, i can I retreave it, I don't have save my work yet… | 12:46 |
| floown | * how can I retreave it? | 12:47 |
| twtxwy | no i don't know | 12:47 |
| floown | I can not use alt+F2 to launch programs… | 12:47 |
| floown | I have open a TTY1… | 12:48 |
| floown | TTY seems working ^^ | 12:48 |
| twtxwy | I speak englis is bad | 12:48 |
| twtxwy | where are you come from | 12:49 |
| twtxwy | floown | 12:50 |
| floown | … | 12:50 |
| twtxwy | floown where are you come from | 12:51 |
| twtxwy | please | 12:52 |
| floown | twtxwy: please, don't ask my AST ^^ (age, sex, town) I'm here for a KDE informatic problem… I can wait if you can wait too to speak about your problem too… | 12:52 |
| floown | I'm at work… | 12:53 |
| twtxwy | sorry,I.... | 12:53 |
| floown | nop ^^ | 12:55 |
| phoenix_firebrd | My first patch got accepted | 12:55 |
| twtxwy | I first do Kubuntu | 12:56 |
| floown | twtxwy: ok, for my little problem, if you have it in futur : open a TTY1 | 13:05 |
| floown | and type : | 13:05 |
| floown | export DISPLAY=:0 | 13:05 |
| floown | kwin & | 13:05 |
| floown | the back to your graphic session | 13:05 |
| floown | cool, it works now :) | 13:05 |
| twtxwy | wait | 13:06 |
| floown | twtxwy: I'm coming from France, no I can say you ^^ and where do you come from, too? | 13:06 |
| twtxwy | Well ,I'm come from China. | 13:06 |
| floown | ok, nice to meet you | 13:07 |
| twtxwy | Nice to meet you too | 13:07 |
| floown | if you have question about KDE or kubuntu, explain you in this channel, I have to return now at work. Have a nice day twtxwy | 13:08 |
| floown | and another user of course :p | 13:08 |
| twtxwy | France Pair is beaiful | 13:09 |
| twtxwy | Ok | 13:09 |
| twtxwy | THS | 13:09 |
| twtxwy | Thanks you | 13:10 |
| agni | china? | 13:11 |
| twtxwy | Paris,France is very beautiful | 13:14 |
| twtxwy | floown: I wish you a pleasant work | 13:15 |
| ICWeiner | I need help with quintuple boot. Specifically SDHC card. | 13:16 |
| === daniel__ is now known as dberry37388 | ||
| cancer | How to set firefox as a default browser? | 14:04 |
| cancer | it's worked last time. but now it's not. | 14:05 |
| ICWeiner | do firefox --help | 14:06 |
| cancer | okie | 14:07 |
| ICWeiner | -setDefaultBrowser = Set this app as the default browser. | 14:07 |
| ICWeiner | so "firefox -setDefaultBrowser | 14:07 |
| ICWeiner | " | 14:07 |
| BluesKaj | cancer. you can aslo set it in system settings >default applications | 14:08 |
| === kubuntu is now known as Guest17219 | ||
| ICWeiner | My way is easier Blueskaj | 14:11 |
| cancer | ok, i did that from firefox prefrences, but it's not working from there now. | 14:11 |
| ICWeiner | sudo firefox -setDefaultBrowser | 14:12 |
| cancer | ICWeiner: yes, you is easier either but didn't worked. | 14:12 |
| ICWeiner | did u sudo? | 14:12 |
| cancer | YEs | 14:12 |
| === ICWeiner is now known as DFrostedWang | ||
| DFrostedWang | ok | 14:13 |
| DFrostedWang | try sudo apt-get remove firefox | 14:13 |
| DFrostedWang | then sudo apt-get install firefox | 14:13 |
| cancer | yes, that could be a problem. because i installed it while i was facing issue with kubuntu, some broken packages. | 14:14 |
| DFrostedWang | or maybe sudo apt-get check | 14:14 |
| cancer | i'll reinstall it again. | 14:14 |
| DFrostedWang | Also, check out sudo apt-get moo | 14:14 |
| twtxwy | what install rpm file | 14:14 |
| twtxwy | help | 14:15 |
| twtxwy | sudo dpkg -i ***.rmp | 14:15 |
| twtxwy | dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process | 14:16 |
| twtxwy | why? | 14:16 |
| cancer | twtxwy: is that because another application is already in installation process. | 14:17 |
| cancer | ? | 14:17 |
| BluesKaj | DFrostedWang, well, you're entitled to your opinion , but suggesting alternatives to new users is also an option | 14:21 |
| cancer | blueskaj: i'm new to linux commands actually. but i do understand both options./ | 14:26 |
| cancer | just trying to make myself better get familiar with linux. :) | 14:27 |
| DFrostedWang | cancer: If you want to learn commands, and you get advice from the web often, try guake so you can switch to terminal easily. I press ~ and my terminal comes right up. :) | 14:31 |
| cancer | is guake for creating shortcut or ? | 14:32 |
| DFrostedWang | basically | 14:35 |
| DFrostedWang | but it comes up half visible over the screen | 14:36 |
| DFrostedWang | thats a + too | 14:36 |
| sky100 | hi | 14:41 |
| sky100 | i want to download via ktorrent , but as I click the link .. its asking for choose an application .. | 14:42 |
| sky100 | where i cant see the ktorrent .. but ktorrent is existing under Internet option in K-MENU | 14:43 |
| sky100 | pls help | 14:44 |
| sky100 | i want to download via ktorrent , but as I click the link .. its asking for choose an application .. | 14:48 |
| sky100 | where i cant see the ktorrent .. but ktorrent is existing under Internet option in K-MENU | 14:49 |
| sky100 | pls help | 14:49 |
| === rdponticelli_ is now known as rdponticelli | ||
| sky100 | hi BluesKaj | 14:53 |
| sky100 | i want to download via ktorrent , but as I click the link .. its asking for choose an application .. | 14:53 |
| sky100 | where i cant see the ktorrent .. but ktorrent is existing under Internet option in K-MENU | 14:53 |
| sky100 | pls if u can help me.. BluesKaj | 14:53 |
| cancer | sky100: if you have ktorrent in K-menu, then you can select it from there | 14:55 |
| BluesKaj | sky100, the dialog that asks for the application has options to navigate to /usr/bin/ktorrent , choose it | 15:02 |
| sky100 | ok | 15:02 |
| sky100 | ty BluesKaj .. im DONE | 15:07 |
| BluesKaj | sky100, the default torrent app is usually ktorrent , odd that it didn't launch by default, unless you migrated from gnome or unity | 15:11 |
| sky100 | it should have launched by default .. | 15:12 |
| BluesKaj | it probly will now | 15:12 |
| sky100 | dunno why it did not show up... | 15:12 |
| sky100 | ok | 15:12 |
| sky100 | will check with another torrent | 15:12 |
| sky100 | BRB | 15:12 |
| === psharmor is now known as tekoholic | ||
| === amichair_ is now known as amichair | ||
| === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler | ||
| erixoltan | My system crashed (and is nearly unusable) following an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04. The desktop environment crashes immediately upon login. | 16:10 |
| erixoltan | Anyone provide ideas on how to move forward and rescue my system? | 16:11 |
| Ezim | erixoltan, did you have ppa and package outside the repo? | 16:11 |
| Ezim | erixoltan, best solution is a fresh installation. | 16:11 |
| erixoltan | I did have some packages outside the repo. They were disabled. | 16:12 |
| erixoltan | How do I do a fresh install without losing my data? | 16:12 |
| Ezim | erixoltan, did you have different partition? then you will not lose your data. | 16:13 |
| erixoltan | I don't believe my home directory is in a different partition. | 16:13 |
| Ezim | erixoltan, do you have external hdd? | 16:14 |
| erixoltan | Do you think I can just remove/purge the kubuntu-desktop package and reinstall it? | 16:14 |
| erixoltan | Or is that unlikely to help? | 16:14 |
| Ezim | erixoltan, you can always try. | 16:14 |
| erixoltan | Thanks Ezim, will try. | 16:15 |
| Ezim | np mate | 16:15 |
| Avihay | I have two input methods registered. XIM and iBus. as far as I know, I use iBus exclusively. sometimes "the keyboard stops working" for a specific program until I right click, got to: select IM -> iBus and then it start working again for that program. any advice? how bout removeing XIM? | 16:20 |
| lelamal | Hi all. I have a problem with Quassel. It seems I have lost the icons next to the channels, those blue ones that show connected channels. They now look like white pages. I'll post an image to show you what I mean: http://imagebin.org/213431. Can anybody help me troubleshoot this, please? | 16:24 |
| Fanfare | Sorry, anyone knows a channel for linux musik? i need little support in using frescobaldi typesetting... | 17:01 |
| Fanfare | or liliypond... didnt try... checking | 17:02 |
| === lelamal_ is now known as lelamal | ||
| Fanfare | OK, #lilypond exists... | 17:04 |
| === kubuntu is now known as Guest65365 | ||
| Guest65365 | hi | 17:21 |
| Guest65365 | Hola | 17:21 |
| Guest65365 | Alguien que pueda ayudarme) | 17:22 |
| Guest65365 | ? | 17:22 |
| Avihay | !es |Guest65365 | 17:25 |
| ubottu | Guest65365: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 17:25 |
| === fernando is now known as Guest14824 | ||
| ed____ | hi, i just isntalled kubuntu on a new laptop, when finished I was asked to reboot, I did, then windows booted up and now i dont know how to access the kubuntu install, I tried f8 whwen booting but it doesnt work, pls help | 17:40 |
| DarthFrog | !grub2 | ed____ | 17:41 |
| ubottu | ed____: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) | 17:41 |
| DarthFrog | ed____: The link for RestoreGrub should help you. | 17:42 |
| ed____ | the link doesnt work, connection timed out | 17:43 |
| DarthFrog | Works fine for me. | 17:43 |
| DarthFrog | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub | 17:44 |
| ed____ | oh yeah, its working now, suddenly i got alot more time outs after apgrtading to win7 | 17:45 |
| BluesKaj | ed____: try holding down the left shift key right after the bios scrn , until the grub menu appears then you can choose the kubuntu kernel . if successful , open a terminal and run, sudo os-prober , then run, sudo update-grub | 17:45 |
| ed____ | ok Illtry that now | 17:46 |
| ed____ | thanks | 17:47 |
| NoiseCounsellor | Hey, I'm trying to install Kubuntu 12.04 from CD and the GUI installer keeps disappearing (crashing?) in the partitioning menu. Text mode installer seems to work fine, though. Is this a known issue with the GUI installer or something on my end? | 17:49 |
| BluesKaj | NoiseCounsellor: if you try to do too many partitioning processes in sequence the installer will crash , one at a time worked for me. | 17:55 |
| BluesKaj | NoiseCounsellor: the text mode works best tho ..I always keep an alternate install cd around | 17:57 |
| NoiseCounsellor | BluesKaj: I only planned on doing three, /, /home and swap. I think one try I made it to /home, after that I didn't get past / I checked the CD for errors, so it's probably not the disc. I'm not 100% confident about the HDD, thou. I got this entire machine, because it kept shredding windows installs... | 17:58 |
| NoiseCounsellor | BluesKaj: Also, the partitions are already done before running the installer, I only needed to select mount point. | 17:59 |
| BluesKaj | NoiseCounsellor: I noticed the installer has a difficult time with preformatted partitions as well , it sems to be defaulted to formatting | 18:02 |
| === yamba_ is now known as yamba | ||
| NoiseCounsellor | BluesKaj: Seems that way. Didn't make any difference for me, though. I thought I'd try pre-formatting after I crashed the first time on partitioning | 18:07 |
| adarshajoisa | manday: did u get that netbook interface working? | 18:08 |
| petsounds | hi, im trying to install Kubuntu but the installer keeps crashing which is weird because i have installed Kubuntu on the other machine some days ago with the same USB stick and it's fine. what might be the problem? | 18:16 |
| === james_ is now known as cowdog | ||
| cowdog | hello | 18:18 |
| NoiseCounsellor | petsounds: I'm having the same problem. I used the textmode installer from alternate install CD and managed to install fine that way. | 18:19 |
| cowdog | i installed it forum a usb sick | 18:19 |
| cowdog | kbuntu | 18:20 |
| === swecarp is now known as itmannen | ||
| petsounds | NoiseCounsellor: ahh so no text-mode in 'regular' iso? | 18:21 |
| NoiseCounsellor | cowdog: didn't make a difference for me. the GUI installer simply kept disappearing during the partitioning menu. I used a CD because the machine I'm setting up doesn't seem to like booting from USB drives | 18:21 |
| NoiseCounsellor | petsounds: I think the DVD always has text mode | 18:21 |
| NoiseCounsellor | the normal CD doesn't, however | 18:21 |
| cowdog | well it worked for me | 18:21 |
| cowdog | the usb stick that is | 18:22 |
| NoiseCounsellor | cowdog: For me too, but that was another machine :) | 18:22 |
| === itmannen is now known as swecarp | ||
| cowdog | ohhh | 18:22 |
| lordievader | Hello everyone | 18:23 |
| petsounds | i thought they're hiding it (text installer) but np ill check out the alternate cd. thanks NoiseCounsellor cowdog | 18:24 |
| ed_ | hi, how can I make icons on desktop bigger? | 18:32 |
| NoiseCounsellor | ed_: System Settings -> Application Appearence -> Icons -> Advanced Tab | 18:33 |
| adarshajoisa | ed_: are you using the folder view layout? | 18:33 |
| ed_ | i am not sure | 18:34 |
| ed_ | its default view | 18:34 |
| ed_ | ive tried system settings - application apperance, - icons, and some of them in menus did get bigger but the ones on desktop did not | 18:35 |
| adarshajoisa | ed_: if it's the desktop layout, the icons behave like widgets. when u hover your cursor on the icon, u get a small panel beside it which has a resize icon. u can just click and hold, and drag to resize | 18:38 |
| adarshajoisa | the resize is the topmost icon (a square with 2 diagonal arrows in it) | 18:38 |
| ed_ | ok i think I got, had to remove the old icons, and then add them again, the size was different then | 18:41 |
| NoiseCounsellor | ed_: you can also right click the empty space in the container widget and click Folder View Settings | 18:41 |
| === serserar is now known as Guest40489 | ||
| === ubuntu is now known as Guest16426 | ||
| mmp | Hello, I'm trying to use 12.04's kopete to log into gtalk account, but it seems to fail (all settings according to google page) | 19:03 |
| mmp | any idea what could be wrong? | 19:03 |
| mmp | or at least how to trace the problem... | 19:03 |
| === mattias_ is now known as Guest22498 | ||
| === Guest22498 is now known as mattias917 | ||
| mattias917 | Just upgraded to 12.4 and the screen saver comes on every few minutes? | 19:25 |
| mattias917 | Even if I just typed something... | 19:25 |
| cancer | How to make shortcut of firefox on desktop. | 19:28 |
| asfyxia | mattias917, you can change your screen saver settings under system settings>>hardware>>display and monitor | 19:29 |
| asfyxia | cancer, if you have installed firefox, rightclick on the application symbol, and add it to your desktop or panel | 19:30 |
| cancer | I can't add it on desktop. there is no option for desktop. | 19:31 |
| cancer | is this command to install flash:sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer | 19:31 |
| asfyxia | cancer, have you installed it first? firefox is not automatically installed at first. And for flash you have to install kubuntu-restricted-extras, flash is integrated therein | 19:32 |
| cancer | firefox is already installed. | 19:34 |
| asfyxia | Via kickoff launcher, search the application and right-click. It's odd when that doesn't work... | 19:35 |
| lordievader | cancer: Perhaps you first need to unlock the widgets. | 19:36 |
| cancer | Lordievader: :-p thanks | 19:37 |
| cancer | it's done | 19:37 |
| lordievader | No problem. | 19:37 |
| cancer | asfyxia: Thanks for trying. :) | 19:39 |
| asfyxia | np, have fun with it ;-) | 19:39 |
| cancer | asfyxia: i'm already having fun with my kubuntu. it won't let me make fun with apps/etc within. :-p | 19:40 |
| cancer | :D | 19:40 |
| cancer | lordievader: is there any simulator for kubuntu, from which i can learn some basic commands. | 19:41 |
| lordievader | cancer: You could use a vm... | 19:41 |
| mattias917 | asfyxia: Just checked that screen, it says (as before): Start automatically after 20 minutes. | 19:42 |
| lordievader | cancer: Something like virtualbox | 19:42 |
| cancer | lordievader: how it could be of some help, can have it for practice but not like a tutor. | 19:42 |
| cancer | lordievader: i mean simulator with a tutor.... kind of app. | 19:43 |
| lordievader | cancer: You can be your own tutor. The way I learned bash was to create somekind of mediacenter server that would be controlled through ssh. | 19:44 |
| asfyxia | mattias917, you did an upgrade? Maybe there something went wrong. Can it be a consideration to do a fresh install? It's an LTS, so why not start with a clean sheet... | 19:44 |
| lordievader | cancer: Now for me to learn a language (computer language) I need a project. For example I learned PHP by making a web-interface for my media-center. | 19:45 |
| cancer | lordievader: mediacenter, that | 19:45 |
| cancer | lordievader: mediacenter, that's for streaming. | 19:45 |
| mattias917 | asfyxia: Yes, an upgrade from oneiric. Perhaps a clean install will fix this and a few other issues? | 19:45 |
| mattias917 | I tried a quick Google for "pangolin screen saver too soon" but nothing useful. | 19:45 |
| lordievader | cancer: In my case more like a laptop without a keyboard or mouse but with a screen, I wanted to be able to watch movies on it. | 19:46 |
| asfyxia | mattias917, upgrades can give quite odd things. I think a fresh install might help... | 19:46 |
| cancer | lordievader: i thought media center for network. | 19:47 |
| lordievader | cancer: I use the term media-center very loosely. | 19:47 |
| cancer | lordievader: i actually worked on php. havn't learned it. just know a little html, so i can understand it. | 19:48 |
| lordievader | cancer: PHP is quite easy, the syntax is very forgiving. | 19:48 |
| cancer | yes. | 19:48 |
| cancer | lordievader: i'm maybe good at windows terminal. i know it's many commands. like that i am not familiar with linux commands neither with their names. so i asked about a simulator. just want to get hand on basics command used in daily ............. | 19:50 |
| mattias917 | asfyxia: Sounds like it might be worth a try. I'll read up on how to best do that unless you have a recipe? | 19:50 |
| lordievader | cancer: Two good things to know, <progam> --help gives you some info about the program. man <program> gives even more info. | 19:51 |
| cancer | good info. | 19:52 |
| cancer | :) | 19:52 |
| lordievader | cancer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1909108 | 19:52 |
| asfyxia | mattias917: Be sure you have your personal files saved externally. Download the iso, put in on an bootable usb stick, and install. If you have another OS that you want to keep, you have to partition by hand. | 19:52 |
| cancer | i practiced much on dos prompt at the win 3.1 time. i use to run every command and then practicing like that i learned a little. | 19:53 |
| mattias917 | cancer: Besides all the other online resources, wikipedia has articles on pretty much all Linux commands, with examples. | 19:54 |
| cancer | lordievader: when ever i tried to learn a computer language, don't know why i didn't learned it. perhaps did a little practice on it. | 19:54 |
| lordievader | cancer: IMO you just need to use it. If you need to move a folder, google how to do that. After a while you'll remember that the command is mv. | 19:54 |
| cancer | mattias917: right, i have already download some e-book for commands help. even got a manual for linux. anyway thanks | 19:55 |
| mattias917 | asfyxia: Thanks. That's easy enough. | 19:55 |
| asfyxia | mattias917, ok. Good luck ;-) | 19:56 |
| mattias917 | cancer: best way to learn to program is to try to solve a real problem you have. Exercises are not super useful after you learned the very basics. | 19:57 |
| cancer | lordievader: like you said to use mv, like that thing already comes to mind. i'm trying to be more stable.... just correct me, isn't it need to give command relative to command words. like; in xp 'delete' linux 'remove/rm' etc... | 19:57 |
| asfyxia | cancer, I think this is a useful backup and tutorial (besides a lot of others): http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php | 19:57 |
| cancer | mattias917: i do try the foolish things because i think there isn't anything difficult to handle. i'm not sure about that but i learned it from DOS/xp. | 19:58 |
| lordievader | cancer: I'm sorry I fail to understand what you are trying to say. | 19:58 |
| cancer | lordievader: i mean like, phonetics. | 20:00 |
| mattias917 | cancer: Sounds like the right way to me. Just try to understand what is happening, i.e. if you do "rm -Rf" you can delete a lot more than you meant. | 20:01 |
| lordievader | Or having a space before your * with an rm command... fun times | 20:02 |
| lordievader | I.e. when you type rm <file> *. When you mean rm <file>* | 20:02 |
| mattias917 | cancer: also, there are "cookbook" books that are helpful. Helps you solve a specific problem and you'll understand how it works. | 20:03 |
| cancer | mattias917: i similarity of words/commands but with different word/ways/commands whatever. mostly used in computer. Computer life :D | 20:03 |
| cancer | Op, Canfeusad. | 20:04 |
| cancer | :confused * | 20:04 |
| cancer | Just guess what i need first to learn? | 20:05 |
| lordievader | cancer: What do you mean? | 20:06 |
| mattias917 | cancer: Exactly. You'll soon love the Linux terminal over the DOS window. Copy: Ctrl+Shift+C, Paste: Shift+Insert. Try doing that in the DOS window :-) | 20:06 |
| cancer | asfyxia: is that volume contains 552 pages? | 20:06 |
| mattias917 | OK, thanks again folks, I'm out. Cheers. | 20:07 |
| lordievader | mattias917: If trying an ls command in dos only to figure out that it is a piece of crap and that you need to type dir... | 20:07 |
| cancer | mattias917: yes, i'm already using this command in konsole. :) | 20:07 |
| asfyxia | yeah cancer, that's correct. A lot of cool stuff to read, very well written imho ;-) | 20:07 |
| lordievader | Btw in the konsole ctrl + shift + v also works as paste. | 20:08 |
| cancer | lordievader: i mean similarity of commands sound by very above statement:D | 20:08 |
| lordievader | I see | 20:08 |
| mattias917 | lordievader: That's true. My fingers are not remembering that one for some reason. Cheers. | 20:09 |
| cancer | lordievader: i tried some commands like i said in a server based on linux. like commanding you employee:D | 20:11 |
| lordievader | cancer: Jup a linux box is like a slave :P | 20:11 |
| cancer | :D | 20:11 |
| cancer | just said to clear my though. | 20:12 |
| cancer | thought? | 20:12 |
| cancer | acutally i need to learn a language first. i think i'm losing it very much. that's what i asked to guess. | 20:12 |
| cancer | *English* | 20:12 |
| lordievader | What kind of language, spoken or computer? | 20:13 |
| cancer | spoken. | 20:13 |
| cancer | i already mentioned. | 20:13 |
| lordievader | Let's just blame the hot weather for me not being alert enough... | 20:15 |
| cancer | I can read & understand the above statement. :D | 20:16 |
| cancer | is skype available for kubuntu? | 20:16 |
| cancer | and what LTS stands for? | 20:17 |
| lordievader | cancer: Yes, you need to go to their website tough. | 20:17 |
| lordievader | It stands for long-term-support. | 20:17 |
| cancer | does LTS used for Ubuntu also. | 20:18 |
| cancer | what actually 'grep' is used for? | 20:21 |
| lordievader | cancer: It can be used to look through thing, is often used with piping of data. | 20:22 |
| cancer | lordievader: do i need to 'check box' the second box. http://imagebin.org/213483 | 20:27 |
| lordievader | cancer: If you want the software they provide, yes. | 20:28 |
| cancer | is that important in any case. | 20:28 |
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| lordievader | I have no idea what software is provided with it, I usually enable everything XD | 20:30 |
| cancer | E: Unable to locate package | 20:30 |
| cancer | here i was told to check that box or maybe the one under that with (source code) there either in brakets. | 20:31 |
| cancer | brackets* | 20:31 |
| lordievader | cancer: Source repos give you exactly that, the source code. | 20:32 |
| cancer | lordievader: will it hurt to check that box, the second box without (source code) | 20:39 |
| cancer | ? | 20:39 |
| cancer | that's seems important: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/canonical.html | 20:39 |
| lordievader | cancer: Oh it probably won't hurt. | 20:39 |
| cancer | and will bring no difference or disturbance to current state of kubuntu, right:D | 20:40 |
| lordievader | Naot until you install packages. | 20:42 |
| lordievader | Not* | 20:42 |
| * feldspath is away: Indisponible actuellement | 20:43 | |
| cancer | installing packages, packages are needed to installed sometimes. that means not to check that box. | 20:43 |
| cancer | lordievader: ^ ? | 20:44 |
| lordievader | cancer: Experiment! Go check that box! | 20:44 |
| lordievader | cancer: It doesn't hurt. | 20:45 |
| lordievader | Ever heared of the lovely thing called trial and error? | 20:45 |
| cancer | don't like that kind of so called experiments. | 20:46 |
| cancer | lordievader: i just closed that check box tab and this appeared. haven't changed anything thing in there. http://imagebin.org/213491 | 20:49 |
| cancer | How to know which kubuntu version i'm using 32x/64x? | 20:51 |
| lordievader | cancer: You are running 12.04 right? | 20:51 |
| cancer | lordievader: no 11.10 | 20:51 |
| cancer | how to check that? | 20:52 |
| lordievader | cancer: Try sudo apt-get update | 20:52 |
| lordievader | cancer: No idea, try google. | 20:52 |
| cancer | lordievader: aren't these familiar from that snap: | 20:54 |
| cancer | Err http://archive.ubuntu.com oneiric-updates Release | 20:54 |
| cancer | 20:54 | |
| cancer | Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com oneiric-backports Release [40.8 kB] | 20:54 |
| cancer | Err http://archive.ubuntu.com oneiric-backports Release | 20:54 |
| FloodBotK1 | cancer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. | 20:54 |
| cancer | lordievader: that finished with errors. | 21:00 |
| BluesKaj | cancer: lsb_release -a , gives the architecture of your release , 32 or 64 bit .it's not real important but it helps to know so you don't install 64 bit apps on a 32 bit OS | 21:18 |
| cancer | that's why i'm asking. | 21:19 |
| cancer | BluesKaj: i got less error as i told, y? | 21:20 |
| cancer | do i need upgrade too: sudo apt-get upgrade | 21:20 |
| cancer | ? | 21:20 |
| cancer | L3top: you thereeeeeeeeeeeeeee ...... :) | 21:22 |
| BluesKaj | I always do , no point in updating unless you intend to upgrade your packages too | 21:22 |
| cancer | but how do i solve this issue. http://paste.kde.org/484634/ | 21:24 |
| BluesKaj | cancer: change the repository server in your package manger then do an update in the terminal | 21:26 |
| cancer | !repository | 21:26 |
| ubottu | The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories | 21:26 |
| cancer | BluesKaj: how about trying this http://paste.kde.org/484652/ | 21:27 |
| BluesKaj | cancer: dunno , never tried it | 21:29 |
| cancer | BluesKaj: can you explain them: cd /var/lib/apt | sudo mv lists lists.old | sudo mkdir -p lists/partial | 21:30 |
| cancer | i have choosen the 'main server'. that could be an issue? | 21:32 |
| cancer | blueskaj: i think it's repaired/fixed. those command rebuild cache right? | 21:33 |
| BluesKaj | cancer: choose the server closest to you thatdoesn't give errors ...those commands you posted are for changing server lists in the /var/lib/apt file where they are stored | 21:33 |
| pedor | hi, I'm considering switch to kubuntu. I'm using ubuntu 12.04 and i've installed kde to use with gnome. it's not very stable and from time to time it crashs. installing it along with gnome could be the reason of so many crashs? | 21:34 |
| dasKreech | What is with the piping into mv ? | 21:34 |
| dasKreech | pedor: More likely driver issues. What kind of crashes are you having? | 21:35 |
| BluesKaj | pedor: was ubuntu crashing before you installed kde ? | 21:35 |
| pedor | usually plasma desktop | 21:35 |
| pedor | no, it wasn't | 21:36 |
| cancer | daskreech: hey | 21:37 |
| cancer | you don't show up much.:D | 21:38 |
| cancer | blueskaj: i already have ran those commands and now update run fine. | 21:42 |
| pedor | dasKreech: plasma desktop | 21:42 |
| L3top | I am here, briefly... whats going on cancer? | 21:42 |
| cancer | i'll check source/ server. | 21:42 |
| cancer | L3top: hi, you were hidden from Nicks. nothing much. | 21:43 |
| L3top | I was away. | 21:43 |
| cancer | L3top: trying to make war with linux. :-p | 21:43 |
| cancer | that's ok. | 21:43 |
| L3top | What do you need? | 21:44 |
| cancer | have to many questions in mind. let me see. :) | 21:45 |
| cancer | oh yes, how to confirm which version is installed 32bit/64bit. | 21:46 |
| L3top | uname -m | 21:46 |
| cancer | i686 | 21:46 |
| L3top | 32 | 21:46 |
| cancer | and what i386 | 21:46 |
| L3top | 32 | 21:47 |
| cancer | and what used for 64 | 21:47 |
| L3top | amd64 | 21:47 |
| cancer | ok. | 21:48 |
| szal | either that, or x86_64 or x64 | 21:48 |
| L3top | szal is correct | 21:48 |
| L3top | I was not | 21:48 |
| szal | yes, you were, but not complete | 21:48 |
| szal | ^^ | 21:48 |
| * feldspath is back. | 21:51 | |
| cancer | L3top: 'educational desktop for kubuntu' is this app helpful for terminal too? | 21:53 |
| L3top | *86 comes from the 8086 chip architecture, which went through several iterations, eventually becoming the 80386, intels first 32 bit processor which is why i386 is sort of synonymous with 32, though it has continued on.. (eg 80486, etc and why yours is i686)... 64 will always be enumerated somehow as 64... | 21:55 |
| L3top | I have no idea cancer. Sorry, completely unfamiliar with ti. | 21:55 |
| L3top | s/ti/it/ | 21:55 |
| cancer | L3top: that's sound, you were correct and about the i686 theory :) | 21:57 |
| cancer | that's even confusing. | 21:57 |
| cancer | then from where that i686 come. | 21:58 |
| L3top | as I was trying to say, it is a more modern class of x86 processors. It means that it is 32 bit, but due to processor changes/optimizations, old 386 processors may not be able to run it. | 22:04 |
| L3top | really it refers more to packages than processor | 22:05 |
| L3top | or their relationship I guess. a little off topic though. | 22:05 |
| cancer | L3top: that was a fine piece of information. | 22:05 |
| cancer | yes, i asked in here about, any simulator of kubuntu? | 22:06 |
| L3top | You could put kubuntu in a virtual machine | 22:07 |
| L3top | Though I am not sure why you would. | 22:08 |
| tsimpson | it's useful if you want to test development versions without ruining your system, but other than that it's probably not needed | 22:09 |
| cancer | L3top: why not sure? :D | 22:10 |
| cancer | tsimpson: i need simulator to learn some kubuntu. | 22:11 |
| tsimpson | cancer: what are you using now? | 22:11 |
| cancer | Kubuntu | 22:11 |
| xevil | I'm running kubuntu 11.04 and ever since an update to xorg, the driver for my Nvidia card reports that it's loaded, but not in use... evidently it's working accel;erated as glxgears runs at a frame rate evuivelent to the refresh rate on my monitor... also Google Earth will load, but never accesses the server... anyone have similar issues? | 22:11 |
| tsimpson | cancer: then you can learn with your installed system | 22:11 |
| L3top | because you have been using kubuntu... and if you are trying to see what needs to be done for your graphics drivers then running in a VM isnt going to help you | 22:11 |
| tsimpson | if you _really_ want to install a virtual instance, you can use VirtualBox | 22:13 |
| cancer | L3top: i don't mean to fix those graphics issue, those were just..... i love to solve challenging kind of issue in 'related to computer only'. | 22:14 |
| L3top | I think you hardware is so old that vm would bee too resource hungry to make you very happy cancer. It will probably have very very poor performance. | 22:14 |
| cancer | tsimpson: i have tried Vm, when i was going for first use. | 22:15 |
| L3top | xevil: I have not heard of there being a problem... so you are saying that the only issue is that it is reporting not in use? | 22:15 |
| xevil | L3top: that is correct except for the issue with Google Earth... I think that may be driver related | 22:16 |
| cancer | L3top: i agree with that, but please exclude one 'very' :D | 22:16 |
| L3top | xevil: do you know which driver you are using? | 22:17 |
| xevil | L3top: nvidia-current | 22:17 |
| cancer | L3top: tsimpson: is it that bad http://paste.ubuntu.com/1001961/ | 22:17 |
| cancer | it's not dual core right? | 22:18 |
| tsimpson | cancer: seems fine, how much RAM do you have | 22:18 |
| tsimpson | "CPU(s): 2" seems to indicate it is dual-core | 22:19 |
| cancer | current 786mb, but soon will change it to max i can with LCD. :D | 22:20 |
| L3top | xevil: dpkg-query -l "nvidia*" | grep ^ii | 22:20 |
| L3top | Please pastebin the output if it is more than a line or so | 22:20 |
| cancer | L3top: can i try that command | 22:20 |
| L3top | 2 max | 22:20 |
| L3top | sure cancer... it is just a query | 22:20 |
| cancer | i saw that word, was just confirming. :D sorry | 22:21 |
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| xevil | L3top: 270.41.06 | 22:21 |
| L3top | that is the version under nvidia-current currently installed? | 22:22 |
| cancer | ii nvidia-common | 1:0.2.35 | Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers | 22:22 |
| xevil | L3top: the card is a GeForce 8800 GTS | 22:22 |
| cancer | i'll not go for drivers :) | 22:22 |
| xevil | L3top: correct | 22:22 |
| L3top | it is less confusing if you just paste the output of the commands I give | 22:23 |
| L3top | if you are on that machine. | 22:23 |
| L3top | xevil: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? | 22:23 |
| xevil | L3top: yes I have xorg.conf | 22:24 |
| L3top | grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 22:25 |
| L3top | the last one listed should be nvidia I would expect | 22:25 |
| xevil | L3top: that is correct | 22:25 |
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| xevil | L3top: I see it has been reported as a bug | 22:26 |
| L3top | k | 22:26 |
| xevil | appreciate the effort | 22:27 |
| cancer | L3top: how to update web flash plugin? | 22:37 |
| beanpole_ | wtf | 22:37 |
| beanpole_ | kubuntu crashed while installing | 22:37 |
| beanpole_ | partition crased | 22:37 |
| beanpole_ | kubuntu is really bad | 22:38 |
| cancer | beanpole_: is it reasy? | 22:38 |
| beanpole_ | it also says faulty dvd drive | 22:38 |
| cancer | beanpole_: for how long you are using kubuntu? O.o | 22:39 |
| beanpole_ | howeva i manged to install zubuntu | 22:39 |
| beanpole_ | i don't know much but have used 10.04 | 22:39 |
| cancer | i know nothing about it. | 22:39 |
| beanpole_ | kubuntu won't install | 22:39 |
| beanpole_ | i also have problem with dsl | 22:40 |
| beanpole_ | howeva 1 noob told me its kde specific problem | 22:40 |
| cancer | did you try with other DVD drive? | 22:40 |
| beanpole_ | yaaa | 22:40 |
| cancer | which version you are trying? | 22:40 |
| cancer | 12.04 | 22:40 |
| beanpole_ | zubuntu ubuntu installs why not kubuntu wtf | 22:40 |
| beanpole_ | yaa | 22:40 |
| cancer | then, i also heard about its bugs and crashes issues. | 22:41 |
| beanpole_ | man it should be banned | 22:41 |
| cancer | beanpole_: i'm currently using 11.10, why don't try it. | 22:41 |
| beanpole_ | kubuntu is really bad | 22:41 |
| beanpole_ | noo | 22:41 |
| beanpole_ | why revert back | 22:41 |
| beanpole_ | lol | 22:41 |
| cancer | that's bad, maybe i'm noob so never heard of it. | 22:41 |
| NoiseCounsellor | beanpole_: For me, the GUI installer constantly crashed on the partitioning menu. I simply used text mode installer from Alternate Install CD or DVD, and it worked just fine | 22:42 |
| beanpole_ | aaah again command line | 22:42 |
| cancer | NoiseCounsellor: agreed, i heard about that part too. | 22:42 |
| NoiseCounsellor | no, text mode. it's like GUI, but without mouse :/ | 22:42 |
| cancer | Sorry about last comments :( | 22:42 |
| beanpole_ | i will wait for suse it will eat kubuntu all day long hahaha | 22:42 |
| beanpole_ | kde is really buggy don't know why i fall for it wtf | 22:43 |
| cancer | beanpole_: wow :D | 22:44 |
| beanpole_ | :p | 22:44 |
| beanpole_ | k3b is the best thats it lol | 22:44 |
| beanpole_ | nyways bye bye kubuntu :( | 22:45 |
| L3top | I have 1204 installed on 7 machines, no problems. Dunno. My guess is he didnt check md5sum.. but he is gone. | 22:48 |
| L3top | cancer: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer | 22:49 |
| cancer | L3top: okie | 22:51 |
| cancer | how to install .tar.gz file | 22:53 |
| L3top | what is it | 22:53 |
| L3top | cancer: | 22:54 |
| cancer | yes, i'm telling. | 22:54 |
| cancer | it's a tool | 22:54 |
| L3top | How likely is that answer to satisfy my query do you suppose? | 22:55 |
| cancer | zekr-1.0.0-linux.tar.gz | 22:55 |
| cancer | it's related to religion. | 22:55 |
| L3top | ok | 22:56 |
| L3top | Didn't mean to pry... I was going to recommend something in the repos rather than trying to compile something from source. A tar.gz is a compressed file, so you do not install them as such, you extract them. In dolphin you can just click on it and it will open the archiver, and extract will be an option. | 22:57 |
| cancer | i did that. | 22:58 |
| cancer | it's already extracted and in front of me. | 22:58 |
| L3top | now in the extracted folder do you see a README | 22:58 |
| cancer | yes | 22:59 |
| L3top | typically that will have install instructions | 22:59 |
| cancer | i checked that file. | 23:00 |
| cancer | i think i have to do a look again over it. | 23:00 |
| L3top | there are different ways programs are distributed... you may just have to use them, you may have to configure then make, make install them... there may be an automake... you may have to just place the pieces in the right place... | 23:02 |
| L3top | this is why instructions are usually in the readme | 23:02 |
| L3top | cancer... apt-cache policy zekr | 23:03 |
| L3top | you can just install it from repo | 23:03 |
| L3top | cancer: sudo apt-get install zekr | 23:04 |
| L3top | you should always check to see if what you are looking for doesn't already exist before you go through dlding random tarballs and trying to install them. | 23:05 |
| cancer | i tried to install it from there but got some error. | 23:05 |
| cancer | i'm trying again. | 23:05 |
| L3top | cancer: linux does not suffer from viruses etc inherently... however... if you go off and install random stuff that looks interesting outside of the trusted repositories... you can get yourself into trouble. | 23:06 |
| L3top | !virus | 23:06 |
| ubottu | Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux. except where files are then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus | 23:06 |
| cancer | L3top: mean files could be effected but donot effect linux but windows? | 23:08 |
| L3top | I mean that if you give malicious code permission to be malicious it will | 23:08 |
| L3top | stick with the repos whenever possible | 23:09 |
| cancer | L3top: sure, i found the manual way to install but i'm not doing that lengthy process. and it's on it way from muon software.... | 23:10 |
| L3top | the right answer is "Oh... I have a trusted way to install software so I will do it that way... and it happens to be a whole lot easier" | 23:11 |
| cancer | L3top: yesterday i was told by ubottu something like not to use/ask in here, come to pm.... that wasn't happened before. | 23:11 |
| L3top | I do not understand what you are trying to say ubottu said. | 23:12 |
| cancer | i told ya that there was some issue. i was getting error while update | 23:12 |
| L3top | then fix that... it will affect other things. | 23:12 |
| L3top | the answer is not to try and compile random tarballs | 23:12 |
| cancer | sure, i'll not untill know well abt it. | 23:13 |
| cancer | L3top: that is fixed now. | 23:13 |
| L3top | much better than possibly getting something narsty which blows everything up or tracks you or gives access to strangers... isn't it? | 23:15 |
| cancer | just after reading that line, strang thing happened. suddenly all opened windows switched one by one. sure, not that slow like i said 1 by 1. :D | 23:17 |
| cancer | and finally set back to quassel | 23:17 |
| L3top | maybe a stuck key... press alt tab and see if it looks similar. | 23:18 |
| cancer | keys are all fine. and that tab switching is all ok. | 23:19 |
| cancer | restart needed. brb | 23:21 |
| cancer | :) | 23:21 |
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| saeed | hi | 23:50 |
| saeed | i am using kubuntu 12.04 but kmix have problem | 23:51 |
| saeed | kubuntu have any program like as kmix ?? | 23:52 |
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